Who is the best cEDH Player in the world
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2023
- After looking at all players winrate form those that have played in 10 or more tournaments we hjave a player leaderbord. A player tier list if you call it. Or just a ranking. In this video we have 30 players who make the best cEDH players in the world. And we do have a winner.
KAI POWELL
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Max
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Thanks so much for having me! You did a fantastic job on the video Mons 😊
Well I should say congrats for winning!
they should be honored to have the #1 cedh player on their channel
I love the fact that you reached out to the top and got some of them speak on their preformance.
This is such a community treat!
It was hard to find all of them but I found some off them.
Thanks so much for having me! Honored to be on the list - WoundedSatellite
Awsome presentation form you and great work getting there.
Thanks for putting this video together! This is the type of content I want to see in CEDH
Your welcome Zain. Thanks for helping with the video.
MEMO 🐐
I feel honored to be on here monz! Thanks for this vid!
your welcome! and GZ for being on the list. You did that not me.
Great video, it was nice to see so many of my friends on the list. I haven't entered enough events to be on the list.
But eventually you will ... right :P
@@cedhtv I only play in person events, so it'll be slow. Eventually:)
What I think is awesome about Ian is how many different decks he has won with! That highlights even more that player skill is most important and why I think he is the best!
YES!
YOOOOOO truly an honor being in the top 30. Let’s get this bread 🫡🫡🫡
Big congrats man. Well earned. I hope this helps your channel.
@@cedhtv that means a lot to me 🥹 thanks!
This video has a 100% WR in my heart ❤️
wow thank you!
I didn’t even realize I was doing that well, but 6th is crazy!
I’m
Robert brown tivit has carried me super hard lol I love seeing alot of of Tennessee boys on here #knoxcedh
I think we can all agree it’s Pontus
Deep down I will say YES! hahaha
The coolest Christmas present to the cEDH community, I'm happy to see my name on here at all 'Corwin Caster' thank you Mons :)
Your welcome! Or well you did that work.
Awesome video, I loved the data and hearing from each of the players.
Thank you. There have been updates. We do have a new best player. But I think a lot of players might get into the list this year. A lot of players are close to 10 tournaments.
What a great video. Thank you, Mons.
your welcome!
Great video
Let's go!!! I can't believe I made it on this list thanks Monz!
Great job, Mons!
Thank you glad you like it.
Great video man, loved how you featured clips of the actual players!!
thank you!
Thanks Monz! You were nearly spot on with my last name pronunciation too!
What statistical tests did you do for comparison by the way?
There is a P-value t-test in here if that is what your asking for? But it is just WINS vs LOSS and DRAWS = Winrate. Really simple math.
Gotcha. Overall I was just curious what stats you ran. I assumed you had performed a student's t-test (or one-way ANOVA) but wasn't sure if you had done any corrections for multiple comparisons. Love the video, thanks!
me, not even watched the video: pontus
Saddly no. But he will be happy to read this.
This was a great video Mons!
Thank you!
Deserves more views. Best cedh content on the web.
Thank you. That means a lot.
Ya boy made it
Great journalistic job. Keep it up very insightful
Thank you! I will do my best.
Super cool video thanks!!
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
Im honored to even be on the list of 900 😂 Ill be back for tournaments and cedhtv in no time and get myself into the top tiers!!
I did look at you. I don't remeber on top of my head but your close to enter into 10 tournaments I guess.
@@cedhtv yeah think im only on 4 / 5 entries. I'll be back next year XD. I expect an update next Christmas 😜
Great content
Dom here. Feels awesome to be on a list with so many great players so thanks for that Mons. Even if I was only on screen for a second 😂
There was a lot of names to showcase.
@@cedhtv It's fine mate honestly, I'm just happy to make the list at all
I played two tournaments and won two with Yoshimaru and Keleth. But I would attribute the wins to surprise. The fact that the deck is not widely known allowed me to pass under the radar.
I think that at least ten is a good number but it depends on the players you play against. Knowledgeable players will know "all deck strategies" but others might not. This factor reduces if you meet again and again the same players. You might get away with it a few times but after a while people will be aware of what a deck can do if unchecked.
Thanks for asking me on :)
Ofc. You deserv it.
WAFFLE ❤
Maybe I should enter a few more things to get on there. At 9 events with around a 33% so shouldn't be toooo hard
That's a lot of Alexs, Dans, and Erics
I play with Marcus Mercado, such a top player in my local area. He even helped me improve my deck!
Sean B here, appreciate the shout out❤️
What a great performance and also such a great idea that you have reached out to those players.
What is really interesting, is the winrate of these players. It seems abnormally high, especially, since these are KNOWN players and one would expect them to be more pressured by opponents.
There are some more observations: These players are predominanty US based. Would this mean that player skill dispairity is higher in US? Having this high win rate seems highly improbably. Lots of these tournaments are also online and in light of recent events, I am taking those results with a grain of salt.
Still, I recognize a lot of these names and I do perceive them as strong players. Amazing results and I hope to play some of them in person (although highly unlikely, given that I play in EU).
The biggest reason for the list being large us people is that the tournament scene is way more developed there. They have more events, online events don't end 4 in the morning for them etc.
This affects them in a couple of ways. They have more events so making the 10 event threshold is way easier. Having more events also means that being good is more worthwhile since you have the events to go out and try to earn money basically encouraging grinders to go harder.
I don't really think the skill gap is larger there but the scene is way more developed
What pontus said is the big reason why I don't play in many or any cEDH online tournaments. I don't like staying up that late.
I agree with both of you. The other reason I don't like online events is also the ways people cheat in them. And when the stakes are high, the incentive gets proportionally higher as well. It's a deep rabbit hole in terms of conversation, but I don't think online tournaments are to be evaluated same as in-person tournaments (and I could make a lot of arguments for that). Either way - I do agree that the disparity in skill is probably similar as in EU. I just made an assumption based on my experience. I would really love to see some of these players play in EU pools and see if it affects them at all.
For me, just going to compete at Pirate Chest II was a surprising experience - the meta somewhat different from what I expected. But still - it feels surprising to me that people can perform so consistently (multiple back-to-back wins), especially as outlined above - I'd reckon they'd get at least prioritized in threat assesment. But who knows. I don't have many international in-person events under my belt, but for main event at PC2, I didn't do well (granted, lots of unlucky coincidences), but I won the side event (at 57? people - for some reason, the bracket is not available anywhere). Still - I think performing like this, consistently, would be very unlikely.
Too ez, Pontus
That will make him happy. but spoilers
no :(
hey i saw my name
In the long list of 910?
C'mon, Ignasi is the only one without surname or nickname.😢
Sadly the 2 Wins last year were before the edhtop16 was created
He actually have a really long name. but it was just to long.
Mons !
Awesome video! I thought I was going to be in the top 20-25 haha
How many tournaments have you played? Also what is your name on EDH TOP 16. I can look at your winrate. Or well TOP EDH !& letäs you do that on your own.
@@cedhtvoh I’m Larry hahah
Hell yeah Max the GOAT
Lol the cEDH subreddit would have done well to actually watch this video. Not only are you presenting the hard data, but you also reached out to these top players for their comments and are promoting them.
Yeah haha I have a feeling some of the comments from that didn't watch it. But that is ok. It was fun to read their comments.
Guess I need to get some more games in 😅
I saw my name at 5:52 and was like hey I am relevant :D
Ofc your relevent!
Hey i'm on the list!!!
GZ!
Hi Mons I very much enjoy your videos and the way you present the data though this time I don’t think you measured this properly, you usually include p values to determine if the results are statistically significant, and the lack of doing this here has lead to some inclusions that at least should’ve been mentioned that they weren’t significant. At least the first guy (not trying to take away from his performance) his results aren’t statistically significant with a p value of about 0.9 way above the usual 0.05
You are correct. But the only player with a significant p-value was 3 players ... And we are more or less just making a rankings of players an how they have preformed. Yes we are kinda asking the question who is the best player in the world kinda. But the ranking order is still correct becous when you play a game the winner is the winner out of outcome. Even if the data dosen't suggest that this player is going to be the best player in the future again it is the player with the best winrate now.
I'm somehow on that top list, and I dont know how lol
I am ofcourse with my 150$ budget deck.
I have played with the Twins, Thomas and Tuukka. They are alright, make some misplays, but damn if they just love the format. The live and breath cEDH. They are a strange pair indeed.
Should make a bigger video about them if you have the chance to interview them.
I have some plans of interviews of with these players more or less. Or some of these players from this list.
@@cedhtv I assure you, if you can get these 2 Finnish guys in a videocall it's gonna be a wild ride. I am legit convinced that the only thing these guys do is play vs eachother and study the format.
Which parameters are you using to filter the tournaments? I'm curious to figure out where I would fall in this list. It doesn't help that some of my results are listed under "Dan Brooks" and some under "Daniel Brooks" I guess.
Oh that will hurt. You will have 2 different players more or less. all touranemnts with 30+ players in them more or less. But not all commanders jet. There are a few commanders with only 3 games so to say.
I just went through my EDHTop16 results and found that I have 11 tournaments under "Dan Brooks" with a record of 16-29-12 and 4 tournaments under "Daniel Brooks" with a record of 7-13-1, for a total of 23-42-13. So I guess I would make the list but I'd be closer to the bottom.
It's Pontus, right?!?!
Saddly no but he will be happy to read this.
You guys are EASILY the most fun to watch! I've been playing since '93 and you're the first channel to which I ever subscribed.@@cedhtv
lmao no
@@sPontusone day 😊
Ooo Mons. Great fucking video
Happy to read that!
good choices
what does the draw metric mean?
How often you get a draw in a game.
Not sure who the best is, but I am pretty sure I’m the worst. 🤣
No don't say that!
Is this how i get cedh clout
I am but
Pontus 🐐
That's what I was thinking.
Comedian Ian. The 🐐
This is cool and all but it's not like Worlds where there's an actual ladder and way to track who's the actual best. I'm sure these players have people in their playgroups that they would say are better than some of the list but they might not like playing tournaments. oh btw this applies to the elongated list not the top top mb.
I will agree to somewhat of this. We can't say with like a 100% certainty. But I it showcasing a lot of who the really proven good players are. Like anyone can say I am winning at my LGS a lot. But these players have recorded wins vs a lot of global players and a lot of games in the track records. So I do think it is saying something. But over time a lot can change.
btw i made a mistake, this was only aplicable to the extended list. good video in all@@cedhtv
Me
Great answer! I was hopping people would say this.
how do you know when to use "he" or "she" or other words when describing someone you don't know well?
They’re interchangeable 😊
use them. them always is right
I can tell you who's not on this list and should be and thats Chris Wiese. Played in one Unified Tournament, beat Andy Beach then retired. Perfect record and undefeated......JK Chris is a total scrub lol😂
I was until they banned Protean Hulk
You mean flash?
Probably some guy/girl who plays at the elite rule zero table
Definitely Ian.
Close.
Thassa is not an healthy card for commander
I am not going to disagree. I personally do think banning thassa could have a potential positive effect on the format. I am not sold 100% on that but I am not against it. But looking at all the data that I have. I don't see thassa currently being the card that is a must play. And that is the statement. It is a good card but you can have goon winrate without it.
@@cedhtv Everyone with a BU colors play thassa 😅 and people complain about griselbrand? Griselbrand is very fair card. You can't win on turn 1 with it .
Isn't Zain the eminence guy who faked screenshots trying to get a cEDH discord mod banned? lmao
I thought it was proved they were real? There was a lawsuit, it was peak drama 🍿
I mean is anyone surprised a discord mod claimed screenshots of them saying bad shit are fake? Discord mods lol.
Yeah no. The screenshots were real and the mods tried to cover the asses/ get rid of someone they disliked lol
@@sPontus Except all the evidence that proved they were faked and the other side bullied them with legal threats
@@Bullseyewtf Except for that no they got the transcripts from discord and confirmed it with a third party and only used legal threats since they got death threats and people calling in to their places of work trying to get them fired
@@sPontus You mean that they STATED they had a 3rd party verify everything right? without naming the 3rd party/law firm or actually showing any evidence? I get that when youre an organization you might want to keep this kind of stuff close the the chest but all I can say is that there is a full google doc of evidence against eminence that looks VERY damning and eminence has given a statement that amounts to "yeah we looked into it and its actually all good".
MEMO 🐐
He is on the list. Definatly up there.