Securing Stationary Saw Rig and Test Run
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- čas přidán 27. 10. 2020
- In the video a 'stand alone' saw rig is securely pinned to the ground to withstand the weight and pressure from the power unit to keep proper belt tension. The flat belt is then attached to the tractor and the rig is test run to ensure safe and proper operation. A quick 'once-over' is done on the adaption to the previously adapted saw rig to convert it easily as well as temporarily from a three point mounted rig to the tried and true stationary rig of days of old.
Back in the day...turn of the 20th century (1900's) similar rigs were powered more often than not by the one cylinder flywheel engines, either make and break or throttle governed. A lot of manufacturers, Galloway was seemingly the most prolific, built four wheeled carts fitted with removable tongues, the flywheel engine on one end and a saw rig on the other. Some even had provisions for changing out the belt driven accessories on the cart to grain grinders and other farm use small machinery. My Much Older Brother just gave me the remnants of the cart that held our old Fairbanks and Morse flywheel engine back on the farm in the teens, 20's and 30's. It will eventually be the resting place for a 1909 Galloway 5 hp and a 24'' saw rig that's sitting in the corner of the shed right now. Of course, I've got to get it running first. But that will be another video entirely.
So originally buzz saw rigs were primarily a tool that was securely attached to the ground near the wood shed (in some cases) then powered by a flat belt connected to a power unit of some sort or other. For convenience, it became desirous to some users to have the saw rigs portable to take the tool to the work and not bring the work to the tool. Enter the enterprising Henry Ford and Harry Ferguson. Ford was a notorious inventor of gidgets and gadgets powered by the famous Fordson tractors and with the creation of the original 9N Ford in late 1939 came a literal FLOOD of inventions to mount to the newly and revolutionary 3 point lifting system which was designed by Harry Ferguson. These saw rigs were just one of those inventions. They then created literally dozens of accessories and Dearborn became the arm of the FOMOCO to develop and sell those products. A good percentage of the buzz saws you see around farmlots and woodlots like mine are either Dearborn or Ferguson rigs. They have stood test of time as you can see in this video.
Now mind you I am not a lot of things and one of the thing I am not is a historian of Ford tractor lore....consequently some of my comments here may not be totally correct, but there is a grain of truth in all of them, so maybe if you've greater interest you should seek more reliable information that can be documented as 100% correct and not just the ramblings of an old guy that just kinda picks up stuff here and there and tries to make it sound partially interesting....so if that's worked. Good. The planets are in alignment !!
Now when we talk of a 'stationary' rig first and foremost it MUST be securely attached to the ground or the pressure applied to the belt could shift the rig causing the belt alignment to misalign and run right off the side of the pulley. Not good. If you pin it incorrectly the rig can be lifted right off the pins by the weight of the tractor. Not good. The fact is you cannot pin it too securely if you are going to power it with a mobile power unit like a 3000 or 4000 pound tractor. That's primarily the reason behind this video....showing how I secure one. Note that I didn't say this is the way only to do it or the best way to do it. Simply said, its just the way I do it. Do what you want, but do it well or you will not be happy with the result.
If you are on the short list of us lucky minorities....that being the list of avid buzz saw users... please leave a comment (if you'd like) and along with it a link to a video highlighting your rig in operation. It would be interesting for myself and I'm sure other fans of the notorious 'saw rig' that only the enlightened and privileged few can understand.
Hopefully you've enjoyed the video and are now ready go buy one and get started saving your back as well as your chainsaw !! Just bear in mind if you find yourself using your fabulous new machine a bit recklessly that the medical field has grown by leaps and bounds in the design of prosthetics..... because....you may need one. Like the old man always told me and my brothers: "Keep your head out of your tail end boys !!'' - Zábava
Your very last sentence is so true in many cases. Enjoyed your video. You certainly chose a beautiful fall day to cut wood!
Heck yeah, sure beats a day slipping and sliding in the snow at the sawmill slab pile !! Now if I can just get the SIL up there to finish this pile, then we can move to the other one. Thanks for taking a looksee and commenting!!
Thanks for the treat of seeing and hearing that ole boy run! It’s a remarkably efficient tool, even by today’s standards. I hope you enjoyed that ice cream! You earned it! LOL!
Hahahaha...heck yeah. Ice cream or watermelon is the best reward for a hard days work. Of course that's just my opinion... Thanks for the compliment on the old school rig Martin !
44 good morning it's raining here enjoying this when having coffee have a wonderful day
God Bless All
PaK
Good Morning Peter...raining here for the third day now. Enjoy your coffee my friend and thank you once again for the visit as well as the comment sir.
You make cutting wood look easy. Semper Fi.
Good Morning Sir. Hope all is well in your neck of the woods. I've been around these rigs my whole life. The old man started me either offbearing before the age of ten or holding the tail ends of the long slabs off the sawmill for making cook stove wood. Thanks for the compliment... these machines are a Godsend for guys that don't like to bend over so much. Take care brother. S/F...
Good demonstration of the new buzz saw setup....worked very well,and is still ready ta go.....CHEERS
Thanks Gator for the compliment and for stopping by...I enjoyed the visit. (-:
Your creativity continues to amaze and inspire me! That thing cuts like butter. haha
Thank you for the awesome compliment !! But I gotta admit, it does do pretty good. I have touched up the blades by hand for decades....I think the Belsaw is by far quicker and superior in accomplishing the task for sure. Keep your eye peeled if you are looking to add a rig to your repertoire because they come available all the time on FB Marketplace, farm auctions and rural yard sales.
@@tractorman4461 Ah, I should have a FB just for that reason but my wife absolutely hates stuff like that and twitter with all the gossip and what not. haha The older stuff might require a little more work and effort but it does the job as intended just as anything new does. We seem to live in a culture now where everything from cars to bench saws are throw away. Just as you, I prefer to continue to repair and use what I already have or find second uses for things. Just watched your blow torch soldering iron video...that was another thing I learned from my dad years ago as well! haha
@@BrodieBr0 Good deal !! There aren't too many people around anymore that have used the blow torches in the past. Just last week helping an old friend load up to move across state netted me another soldering iron. Perfect condition and the tiniest of the pile so far. Plus he gave me about 80 (1) pound bars of body filler lead !! Plus a good number of solder rolls...50/50 and 95/5.
I found on FB, if you join groups and don't participate in all the garbage, the vast majority of what will show up will be what you are interested in. I get less than 1 out of 10 baloney posts on my page...it's all tractors, power tools, antique tools and stuff like that. Marketplace is pretty cool...especially in tough times, guys want to get rid of a lot of good stuff that may not normally be readily available. I just saw a good looking 32'' saw blade for $40.00 yesterday.
@@tractorman4461 Wow you're great at finding good deals too! You hit the motherload helping your friend! haha I've noticed even old soldering materials is better than the new stuff. Same with welding rod. I have a VERY old (maybe 1930's ?) Lincoln Arc Welder and a newer Hobart. (Century flux core welder for smaller stuff) I got over 1000 various rods from another friend that retired as a welder a few years back but before then any new rod I used on either machine made inferior welds to his old stuff. When it comes to welding 1/2'' or greater steel that old Lincoln will out perform the much newer Hobart. haha In about 2 years as I save money to renovate our home I'll probably make that FB account just to see what deals I can get. Like you said, I can just block out the stupid stuff I'm not interested in. Definitely will want to join the tractor groups. Old tractors, cars, and trucks are going to keep increasing in value and I love to tinker. Like you I can keep some to use around the property and repair and flip some if I need cash. Once again, thanks for the info!
Hey Wendell looks like you got it setup running nicely really cutting well. Only problem I see is running the hours up on your tractor don’t know why anyone would use a tractor to process firewood. Take care brother.
Not operating too badly considering amongst the three of us...the buzz saw, the tractor and me have a combined life of over 200 years... so far !! With a little TLC, those other two gonna live waaaaay past my alotted time...LOL So I guess the only 'hour meter' that should concern me is my own.... )-: But yeah I know what you mean about running up the hours on the old rusty tractor cutting wood....before ya know it they'll even be running a doggone wood splitter with the tractor hydraulics !! Can you just IMAGINE such a thing ...!!?? LOL. All good fun Ben, all good fun. Thanks for chiming in with a little humor buddy !!
When you ran that saw up first there, ( tensioning the belt) it sounded like there was a gale of wind coming off that blade; awesome tool that is!
Thanks for this Wendell!
Hahahaha...it does move a little air...seems to move a lot more the colder it gets. The cool thing about this 'adapted adaption' is that now it can be used on the three point tractors as well as stand alone with others by removing the two linch pins and two bolts. Literally change from one to the other in five minutes....ok...six on a bad day. LOL.
Great written history on your writhed comments Sir ! Great antique saw set up and Great various point view for the cameras ! It doesn't take a cripcode machine to decode your request to your son in law LOL !!! Great video Sir and have a great week Cheer !!! What ice cream ???? LOL
Good Evening Dave. Thanks for another awesome comment buddy. I think the SIL got the message he commented this morning about it. He is 21mph12 above...or below. Somewhere anyway. We have the Schwann's Ice Cream delivery truck stop by weekly....I love moose tracks or caramel swirl or any number of about 200 others just about as much. I even like home made ice cream and we do that ever so often too !!
@@tractorman4461 LOL, you have highly addicted on Ice Cream Sir and I think you should joined up a group who as the same addiction. ( I my name is,,,, and I'm ,,,, ) LOL !!! I will look at the comment of your SIL !!! CHeers !!!
@@RCAFpolarexpress Oh NOOOOOOoooo....admitting you have a problem is the first step to admitting you have an addiction !! Heck Dave, I don't wanna do THAT !! I don't have a problem.....noooooOOOOOOooooo. ....may I add this was typed over an oversized bowl of butterfinger vanilla crunch ice cream for breakfast.... Have a wonderful weekend my friend.
@@tractorman4461 I'm laughing so hard right now Sir,,, I have to go to the bathroom,,,, No therapy will fixe your High addiction to milk product,,, I guess I have the same with the famous signature paint LOL !!! SO Funnny !!! Cheers !!!
It always amazes me how them belts stay on, long before my time but dad used to talk about them old farmers would pull their old tractors up, put the belt on the pulley, back up a little and it would stay on all day. I guess they had done it a time or two.
I just made a video yesterday with this same rig. The belt is at least 80 years old I bet. It kinda settled down by the time the small pile was done, but sitting for six or eight months all rolled up they take a 'shape' that needs to be worked out before they ride smooth again. They have a tendency to walk back and forth and flop a lot until they warm up too. We had many belt driven machines on the farm....silage blower, hammer mill, 36'' planer for the sawmill among a few. So we were hooking up to one or the other all the time. You get used to alignment pretty quick. The belt for the silage blower had to be near a hundred foot long. The old tractor sat a good 80 or 90 feet back from the blower. That one and the hanmer mill both ran a twisted belt to reverse the rotation of the pto to match the requirement of the machines.
We had one on a JD B. We used it in the 70s. I’m thinking about building another one now that I finally have a place in the country
They are super cool and can be found pretty easily out in the country. Almost all the old farmers had one. Thanks for stopping by for a visit !!
I have the flat belt drive for the 8N. I looked for one for quite a while. I was at a swap meet by Jones Michigan. There on the ground was a PTO drive. $15.00 whoever I snatched it up and didn't even mind walking the half mile back to the truck.😁😎
Well I tell ya...if you lived closer, I'd trade you even money for a front end loader that'll go right on your old Ford..... LOL.. Seriously, I would even load it for you....but I wouldn't sell the loader for the 15 bucks though. Take care and I hope your cabinet stays dry....
@@tractorman4461 That would be worth the trip. I have the PTO sitting under the bench in the garage and I expect it will never be mounted on the Ford.
@@OldSneelock If I'd have had one, I wouldn't have had to convert the Dearborn to a standard 3 point lift. Oh well, live and learn. A subscriber actually turned me onto the ones designed for the rigs, with the mounting point at the top back of the right angle drive. Mine is off of a Massey Harris Ferguson and not set up to hook to the factory Dearborn or Ferguson rigs.
Nice Saw Rig there! There's a guy down the road from us here that put a gear box on his so he could run it with the PTO shaft instead of the belt. I love using the buzz saw instead of bending over sawing with a chain saw, kills my back, I have two strong buck sons to help run the buzz saw, might do a video later on this winter with the mobile saw that I have now, Great videos !
Hey I did the same thing with another one I keep pretty much on the little B7100 Kubota. I used a John Deere haybine right angle drive and a short flat belt to drive the arbor. Check it out here if you'd like: czcams.com/video/WmhUk52fMdk/video.html I can see you are one of the 'enlightened few' that understand how much easier using a buzz saw is for pole wood or sawmill slabs. Make sure you comment about your video when you put it up...I sure would like to see her in full swing !!
Thanks, Wendell, for all the videos. I hope to make it up there again. I guess the Farmall H project is on hold for a while.
All that's left is to coat the tank...but winter prep entered the picture plus a few other tractors. And I had a buddy packing up to move across state and needed help too but I really want to get the H that's inside the shed out here to power this rig. It'd be good for it to get some exercise. Good to hear from you Terry. Got electronic ignition on the blue Ford 2000 in the lean too as well and got the JD 50 on line too. Video coming soon....but there's a hitch. Always is huh...LOL.
@@tractorman4461 I just worked on a hitch this morning - actually cutting off rusted bolts from the drawbar hitch to replace them with new bolts and nuts.
@@316jd140 That's good. There's always something needed on them if you're gonna put 'em to use...right? I got a little sheet metal job to knock out real quick, so things in the shop are on hold again.
Growing up in New Brunswick Canada in the 1980’s, my dad’s friend had made one of the first “processors” of the time where the bed was fixed and the big blade moved with an hydraulic cylinder. It was made to use the three point hitch and ran off of 540rpm pto instead of a belt, and had about a 12 foot chain conveyor to put it in a pile. We had a 53hp David Brown 990 and it had plenty of power for it. He actually used it on a 135 Massey. It was a bit safer than the old buzzsaw but still dangerous. Take care and Happy Sawing!
Now THAT sounds like an interesting video to have made !! A lot of the large processors use hydraulics to operate just as you are describing. Necessity is the motherhood of invention and the ingenuity and resourcefulness of individuals is incredible. Thanks Peewee for the comment sir. I'll try to keep my fingers attached.....
How's she goin'? Those big old circular saws can sure cut a bunch of wood in a hurry!!! We had a set up going like like many years ago and we blocked up about 8 cords in an afternoon. We had a big old log cut to wedge between the tractor and the saw to maintain the tension. The ground was frozen and we could drive in a bar so we had to use the log!!! Some nice!!! Take care!!
Oh heck Mike, there's all kinds of ways to block 'em to hold them in place. I know a guy that used a bumper jack between the front of the tractor and the saw rig....LOL. What ever works is what I say !! I've seen some with an idler pully on a weighted lever to maintain tension too. Man, it sounds like your ground was frozen just about as hard as concrete !!! WOW.
Lifting some of those pieces around would definitely work up an appetite! Enjoyed the video.
The cool thing about building a pole wood pile is that green wood dries in limb-form rather quickly so the weight goes down dramatically in a pretty short time frame. Some of the heavier ones were recently cut and added to the pile. I like to get it processed and under roof within a few months of when its cut because of the large content of 'sap' wood in the small rounds. Leave it outdoors and it's going to 'fade' pretty quickly, but under roof it'll maintain for longer periods of time. But yes, it sure does make a guy appreciate supper time !!
Buzzsaw makes short work of the poles Wendel. Take care buddy.
Heck yeah Mark... In my aged opinion, its much easier than using a chainsaw out in the woods for all this small stuff too. Second set of three days of rain going on right now. It dried out just enough to get muddy all over again. Dang !!
@@tractorman4461 same here buddy it has be wet for over a week.
@@marksparkplug7758 After all the rain, my SIL is grading the gravel road for us today. It finally stopped raining yesterday.
Kinda nice to someone else using a buzz saw flat belt rig. Run mine either with an Case VAC or a Cockshutt 30. The 30 needs a new pulley, those paper jobs don't last forever! Wonder how long it will be before some safety Nazi comes along and tells you you'll die using that rig?!! Happens everywhere else I see one even mentioned. Great job and great video!
Yeah, those fibre pullys can't stand to be left in the outdoors. I take them off and put them above the shop to preserve them. My son in law is going to use his CNC router to cut me some 1/4'' material to stack in place of the fibre on a few of mine. It should work fine.
We will try to use cyprus or sycamore because that wood should soak up the belt dressing a bit better than hardwoods. The Cockshutt 30 might have the same Continental as this little Massey...162 cu in...right ?? Only one Cockshutt anywhere near me that I know of.
Yeah, I get a kick out of all the comments about death and destruction you see on a lot of these videos. Usually by people that haven't been within ten miles of one. LOL. Thank you Bret for the awesome comment...glad you enjoyed it. Btw...I traded my only VAC even money for a Massey 33 with category 2 three point on it. The guy just wanted a littler tractor to make it easier to haul to shows. That was a good deal for me and him both !!
@@tractorman4461 A 33 for a VAC IS a good deal! The Cockshutt 30 has a Buda 133ci. Great engine actually. Real good governor. My belt pulley was pretty deteriorated when I got it. Paper Pulleys has rebuilt ones for under $200.00 IIRC. I thought of laminating one up out of good plywood, but with the price of plywood now I'd almost be $$$ ahead getting a rebuilt one! Strange days my friend! Keep those videos coming!
@@Bret4207 Wow....I didn't know they were Buda powered !! So the Cockshutt 20 is closer to the older Massey 101 Junior. They originally came out with a 124, but went to 140 and then eventually to the 162 that's in these 30's. The 33 came with a 201 cu in overhead valve unlike these smaller flatheads. I've got at least 3 fibre pulleys that are in various stages of deterioration for the Massey's then several on different saw rigs too. The one Cockshutt 20 I know of around here sat for years on a guys grain elevator filling out of his grain wagons. It's been moved off but we saw it behind his shed the other day.
Hello, leavening the tractor, air down left tire up right, hope to get to visit you sometime with my uncle Kenny ?
What happened was I kicked the bark and debris backwards to clean the area for the tractor, but just didn't kick away the hump that's under the left rear tire. Just a miscalculation on my part. If the belt tracked off, I'd have removed the belt and cleared that area too, but it tracked ok on the test run so I just left it like that. I seem to be drawing a blank on Uncle Kenny for the moment, but visitors are most always welcome...especially if they wanna toss wood into the woodshed....(-:
To cool
Glad to see you enjoyed a trip down memory lane David. This is the way we have processed pole wood for more than 60 years...of course not with the Kubota though. LOL
Good Morning Tractorman44 Friend! I saw this come in last night and knew as soon as I started watching I'd go into dream land. So I waited until now when I can toast you with my first cuppaJO! I sure enjoy watching that old saw do its thing. I think I could watch it all day and I'm sure you have done this more than once. I woke up just at 5 thinking, TM44 will be up in an hour or so, which is about now. On Monday I went into the auto parts place to buy some new wiper blades and there beside the door was an old cook stove with $250, owned by a guy who works there. It's a family owned business and I always go there rather than going to the other chair parts store. Anyway, I bought my wiper blades and looked at the stove again and went in and gave him $40 to hold it. Went home to tell Alice who was napping so I went back in and paid for it, took all the parts off I could and went home. Thing is I've run across old cook stoves before but I'm really limited for space and this stove is perfect and will fit nicely. It a wood or coal burner but I have lots of wood. A 15" piece is the limit and I have a stack of wood ready to go that size. Tuesday I rounded up some buddies and borrowed ones ford pick up and what a day! This stove is weighty fer ser. But I have an old stove lifter made just for the job and I'll send pics of the stove and lifter soon. It's a Wincroft stove made in Middletown Pa, where TMI happened and about an hour away, on the other side of Hershey. It's a grey enamel stove with a warming closet on top and nice oven with a thermometer and it great shape. So I e been cleaning and scrubbing and buying pipe n can't wait to get it all set up. My old stove will be a chore getting out and I ain't sure where to put it when I take it out. Anyway, time for more JO and I'll send pics soon. This is DaveyJO and I'm out spa here and Thanks for the 44 vid with my morning JO!
Wow...sounds like a cool find for you. Under my workbench lays the remnants of my Mom's cookstove that the old man bought for her in '39 for $29 and change. Its pretty much burned out...cast iron firebox all cracked up and the porcelain has some chips in it. One time back in the late 80's he told me to throw it on the truck and take it to the junk yard, but I didn't oblige him. I brought it home and stuck it in the exact spot it is now. I never did tell him though..LOL. Methinks yours is in MUCH better shape !! My sisters baked many a cake in that oven...watching the thermometer and opening the door just right to let out just the right amount of heat to keep it on temp. Back then they'd make 'real' cakes, not box cakes and I'd go a running through the house and get hollered at because shaking the floor might cause the cake to 'flop' down in the center !! LOL. Enjoy the day and can't wait to see the smoke coming outta the chimney from that 'new' cook stove. Sippin' JO and tipping it your way buddy !!
Tractorman44 Wow Friend Wendell44, $29 back then was quite a chunk a change! Having had food cooked and baked in an old cook stove I found tasted better. My Grandmother went from wood to gas, which was about the same size as the old wood stove. Even that old gas range made better tasting food I believe, although I never had trouble eating where ever it came from. I got the stove lifter from my mentor old John Groff. He started a scrap business way back that his son took over and later his grandson. Belongs to another now with the same name on the building. After gas and electric where the thing many a cook stove was sold for scrap. John would send hid men with the lifter to pick them up. It's a real handy tool! I hardly use it but boy when you need it! So if you ever need it come and get it and I'll even include lots of JO just for using it! I wonder what we'd get into if we were close instead of states between? I pretty much know and it sure would be a blast! Once this cone head virus 1984 is done I believe there will be visiting back and forth a few times. And don't forget, Hershey Park Happy! Later 44 Dude! I'm a tippin your way! DaveyJO
@@daveyjoweaver5183 Hahahahaha....fun comment DaveyJO !! When you said 'stove lifter' I thought you knew a youngster in town with no neck and gargantuan muscles that was gonna toss it in the truck for you.....LOL. Have a wunnerful evening old buddy. Be tossing one your way inna morning too !!
Tractorman44 wunnerful wunnerful and a one Anna two now here are the Lemmon sisters,,,,Anna bubbles begin! Wunnerful Wunnerful cuppaJO downing your way with a few extras! The stove lifters were three old guys all with brainy ideas and cravings for CupsOJO! Because it's been raining the last two days the cook stove is sitting on the stove lifter ( not an old guy) with plastic covering it! I cleaned all the parts, doors fenders and all kinds of stove stuff laying around and the old stove waiting to be moved,,,,,,,someplace,,,,,somewhere,,,,somehow! But it will get done at some point. My weekend goal of having her all set up and ready to go was rained out. And how happy Ill be when the mailbox isn't full of the tons of heavy paper with politicians faces staring back with fake smiles and capped teeth and many promises they'll never keep! Poor post lady, like he doesn't have enough to deliver! Now more JO is in order to tip your way wishing you all a Fine weekend and Stan as always! So fromma my holler to your holler, this heer iz DaveyJO anna me outta heer and heading to the JOPot so I can toast you some more!
I think he's trying to tell me something...
Oh oh....you weren't supposed to hear that....LOL. But at least now you know for sure it's ready to rock!! Better hurry though or else I'll have ALL the fun.
Sir, I did sincerely understood very well his message LOL Cheers !!!
Another great video sir! Just curious, I have a few old tractors and when I,m mowing I run them wide open for the 540 on the PTO. Running the belt are you going by ear or just cranking it up? I want to try running some belt equipment off of my 1945 Farmall BN. Thanks for bringing back good times, I miss it.
Good Morning Bill and thank you for the compliment this fine day!! You kinda just get the 'feel' for the rpm with consideration for the age and condition of the bearings, balance etc of the equipment especially these saw rigs. Now on things like the silage blower and hammer mill, just let 'er rip tater chip !! LOL. But that's because the chance of plugging up the discharge is greater with blowers with lower rpm. Just my opinion. Thanks for the visit today sir.
What state do you live in? Good video
Thanks smity I'm glad you liked it..... I live in Missouri right off the Mississippi below St Louis.
What do you think of the VERMONT BUZZ SAW
I like it a lot. Their drive set up is similar to the way I set this one up decades ago. If you'd like, spend a few minutes on this video:czcams.com/video/WmhUk52fMdk/video.html and you can see some similarities. I think their final drive to the arbor is with a couple "V" belts whereas mine is still driven by the tried and true flat belt. I think they get close to 2 grand for one don't they? Here's a playlist of some of my buzz saw videos:czcams.com/video/WmhUk52fMdk/video.html
Doggone I got the first view and first comment.
Hahahaha Randall...somebody's gotta be the first to stick a toe into the cold water.... LOL. Thank you sir for the time you took to watch as well as comment !!