A Deep look into Brian Schottenheimer's Philosophy and the origins of the Coryell offense!
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Narrator: The Logical Cowboy
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Loved the Don Coryell stuff. This wizard of the passing game should be in the Hall of Fame. His rivalry with the Landry Cowboys was intense and always entertaining. Coryell's weakness, and you touched on it, was that he many times did not balance the fourth quarter leads with a grind it out, run out the clock offense. The Cowboys often won high scoring games because Landry was a defensive coach as well as offensive coach and he did know when to control the ball and keep it away from the high powered Cardinals/Chargers offenses. Nothing but admiration and respect for Coach Don Coryell.
I agree that Don coryell was an absolute genius and maybe he should be in the Hall of Fame. However his absolute failure in the playoffs consistently is why he isn't in the inability to adapt
Don Coryell IS in the Hall of Fame. He was elected earlier this year.
Yes them chargers game when he was coaching was must see TV.
Gotta love Mouse Davis and June Jones. Funny how Jones never found that certain QB at SMU though like he did in Hawaii
How with no super wins or Apparances
No matter who calls the plays, your QB needs to throw the ball to the right color uniforms. Let's hope it makes a difference with Dak.
This is a dumb comment. You should know better than to say this especially knowing how Dak is known for not throwing interceptions. Last year was one bad year where Dak had the interception bug... Plus here's what you failed to understand or just choose to ignore, outside of Ceedee Lamb Dak was devoid of weapons. They not only lacked the ability to separate which ranked 26th in the league but they also lacked explosiveness and couldn't threaten defenses down the field which is why we traded for Brandin Cooks. It's not just Dak throwing interceptions because he wasn't playing well like a lot of you simple minded fans like to claim
Great video!! You always come through!
Thanks!!
Thanks for putting all this together
Respect 🇺🇸
Thanks bro!
"Be aggressively unpredictable" In Juco, many decades ago i had a coach who lived by that mantra.
Kellen Moore towards the end of his run, like the great Don Coryell became predictable and stagnant. I hope coach Schottenheimer pushes (refresh) on his schemes so he doesn't repeat the same error. LC, that was the best breakdown on this three coaching philosophies i've seen. 👍
Thanks!! Yeah his stop routes was becoming too predictable! Lol. I like Kellen Moore! I just think his system along with his inexperience wasn't a good fit for Dak. Dak has to take some ( or a lot) of the blaim as well. Kellen Moore's system needs a accurate quaterback and accuracy is something dak struggles with. Hopefully Schottenheimer's on the move concept ( instead of trying to throw receivers open) can put Dak in better positions to be successful. Thanks Aaron!
@@thelogicalcowboyim a bit late on the vid but history def repeats it self you sayimg moore have a aggressive style like coryell and theu both coaches/coaching the chargers 😂
Fantastic breakdown of the Air Coryell system and how Schottenheimer uses its concepts to create an offense that can be a real pain to defend.
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Thanks bro 🙏 welcome to the channel!
Thank you!! Keep up the good work, brother!!
Great research; great job --
Thanks!!!
Air Coryell or similar is what they ran when Garrett was here and everybody seemingly hated it so this could be interesting.
Also meant to say that this video and channel are greatness! Love all the content. Especially the stuff about the 77-83 team. That era is special for me.
Thanks!!!
Big fan of his father the late Marty Schottenheimer who won more than 200 games back to his days in Cleveland with Bernie Kosar. Glad Don Coryell got into the Hall of Fame but wish Marty was in too. Loved Terry Metcalf’s son Eric on the Browns & Cards too. Joe Gibbs’ Washington teams, The Cowboys Dynasty of the 1990s & the Greatest Show on Turf Rams were all based on Air Coryell.
The Father of modern passing is Sid Gillman who was at San Diego Chargers, Coryell learned from him. Gillman was coaching at San Diego and Don Coryell at San Diego State, Coryell would sometimes take his team to Chargers practices so they could watch how Gillman incorporated his passing game theories into his offense.
Edit- great video though, as always. Looking forward to what Schottenheimer can do.
my tribute to Gillman:
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Thanks bro!!
Naw no one was doing what Coryell was doing before him in the nfl!
Coryell was different!! No one like him!
Nah, Coryell took it a step farther.
This is the year Don Coryell is going into the 🎉HALL🎉. Give Don all credit he deserves.
Thanks for this! Great upload!!
Thanks bro! 🙏
Great work thank you
Thanks bro!
Subscribed and liked. Youre a genius.
Lol Thanks bro!! Welcome to the family!
Good stuff, man. I love the way you think, Brother. Your explanations and analysis are outstanding and you make things easy to understand, for which you have my respect and thanks. ☮️
#DC4L.
Thanks bro for the compliment 🙏!
Whomever is "calling" the Offense, it still requires "execution" by the O-players...Time for Big D's Offense to bring their A-game...every game!
True!!
That is the problem with Dallas not play calling
The run and shoot has that similar weaknes. Just look at all those collapses from the 2nd Texas team to move north. (Something about about oil if I remember) I think it caused Buddy to punch Gilbride. To the main point, it couldn't run out a clock either.
I hated the run n shoot offense. I think Steve Spurrier ran a *similar* system in college and later in Washington. It never worked in the nfl like it did in college because usually the system was horrible at controlling time of possession. The defenses were usually gassed out.
@@thelogicalcowboy Hence Buddy Ryan punching gilbride 😂
For your Charlie Waters collection.
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Those baby blue Oiler uniforms were 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@cowboyschad5x778 I thought that was luv ya blue. Baby blue was in San Diego wasn't it? (like it actually matters lol)
Great job just watched 2 of your videos 😊
Thanks bro!
Informative breakdown. Seems like 2023 is shaping up to be a make or break year for some very key positions on and off the field.
Yep. Its put up or shut up season! Thanks bro!
both norv turner and ernie zampeze ran the same system in l.a. and brought it to dallas in the 90s..
THIS!
Eh. Not really. Shottenheimers system is more of a hybrid.
The fact that "AIR" Coyell (R.I.P.) ISN'T in the HALL OF FAME is a COMPLETE TRAVESTY!!!
And it's reasons like this WHY I don't care for sports "AWARDS" and their "HALLS", etc.
I CARE ABOUT WINNING!!!
Period.
Great, great video breakdo
One of my "MAIN PROBLEMS" with the Cowboys' offense - going back to Garrett - is the Cowboys play too much of their "GAME" in the "BOX."
That 10 to 20 yard area behind the line of scrimmage.
They don't "HIT 'EM DEEP" nearly enough - and EVERY DEFENSE KNEW IT!!!
You can't wait 'til it's 2nd. or 3rd. & 10 or 15, etc, then throw a 20 yard pass!
Go back and watch the 49ers playoff game last year.
The last INT Dak threw.
You can count ALL 11 OF THE 49ers DEFENSIVE PLAYERS SITTING IN "THE BOX" just past the first down marker.
ALL 11.
THEY KNEW Dak / Dallas was going to throw the ball BY THE MARKER, so WHY "DEFEND" anything beyond that?
Dallas - since the '90s - have been WAY, WAY TOO PREDICTABLE!!
Good news Coop. Coryell is going to canton this year!! He deserves it! R.I.P. As for the post! I agree with everything 💯! Too predictable!!
Yeah, that's great news about "AIR" Coyell!!!
I hadn't seen this year's H.O.F. list (I very seldom do), so I didn't know.
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That's fine! I didn't know myself until after I did this video! Thanks Coop!
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No problem.
You're doing great work!
Right on!
The problem with Air Coryell is that he lacked a running game, put too much stress on the defense, and was vulnerable to playing against teams that were good in defending the pass and could run on them, keeping that offense off the field, which led Fouts to not being able to get into a rhythm. Joe Gibbs took this offense and he added a running game with terrific run blockers on the OL. He still came across the greatest cornerback tandem when got pummeled in the Super Bowl against the Raiders, but was still able to win 3 times. The running game has to be respected by opposing teams to allow for the passing game to open up. If not, then the linebackers will drop into the flats, two deep zones allow cornerbacks to go underneath receivers, increasing their chances of picking off passes.
Great breakdown brother! 👌
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That's not really true. Look at the yearly leaders in rushing TDs over the last four decades. At least half of them played in a variant of Coryell's offense:
Chuck Muncie, John Riggins, George Rogers, Greg Bell, Cleveland Gary, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Terry Allen, Stephen Davis, Marshall Faulk, Priest Holmes, LaDainian Tomlinson, DeMarco Murray, Adrian Peterson just to name a few.
@@Jelperman My argument about Air Coryell’s teams is that such a heavy emphasis was placed on the passing game that it left his teams vulnerable against good defensive teams or teams that can use the run to control the football and keep his quarterback out of his rhythm. When he coached the Chargers, that offense was filled with legends; Dan Fouts, John Jefferson, Charlie Joiner, Wes Chandler and Kellen Winslow. Yet, the closest San Diego ever got to a Super Bowl is when they got blown out in Cincinnati. Likewise, Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback we had ever seen when he joined the Miami Dolphins, but once again, he never won. He reached one Super Bowl where he looked very ordinary in getting blown out by the 49ers. Joe Gibbs, an assistant of Air Coryell, did something different. When he coached on Washington, he built a huge OL of dominant run blockers with a power back John Riggins in the backfield. His team always came out throwing in the first half to try to establish a lead, and then hand the ball off to Riggins running behind Bostic, Grimm and Jacoby in the second half, wearing down the opposing defense and keeping the opposing offense off the field. The following year the Redskins had one of the greatest teams of all time, but got blown out by the Raiders because the two shut down cornerbacks Lester Hayes and Mike Haynes shut down Washington’s passing attack in the first half. But Gibbs won twice more with very average quarterbacks and teams thst ran behind a dominant run blocking OL. Jimmy Johnson created a dynasty largely because he put together an even more dominant OL and had Emmitt Smith in the backfield. Once this team gained a lead, they just handed the ball off to Emmitt. Just look at how much he dominated the Giants on the road while playing with a separated shoulder. A good power running game allows the team to control the ball, control the clock, wear down the opposing defense and limits the opposing team’s chances on the field. Sadly most NFL coaches have gone away from that, but the teams that win in the playoffs will mostly win because they can run the football. Also, when a team can run the football, it then opens up the play action pass, which is devastating to a defense, especially when they are covering an elite wide receiver.
@@michaell874 Coryell had a huge offensive line in San Diego and a power back in Chuck Muncie (his stats are almost identical to Riggins' from 1980-84 -except for fumbles). What Gibbs had in Washington (and Johnson had in Dalles) that Coryell didn't have in San Diego was a top defense, and DEFENSE is what wins champioships. If your defense is giving up a lot of points, you don't have the luxury of grinding it out when you have the lead -because no lead is safe (if you even have a lead). You're confusing cause (lack of defense) with effect (throwing way more than passing).
The lack of defense in San Diego had more to do with ownership/management trading away the Chargers' best defensive players to the 49ers and hiring/firing defensive coaches on a regular basis. This was often done over the objection of the head coach and in some cases, without even telling him until after it was done.
Another Achilles Heel of the Chargers was that the two main running backs suffered from chronic fumbleitis. James Brooks fumbled FIVE kickoffs in three playoff games, and Chuck Muncie was leaving the ball on the ground all the time.
High Ranking stuff 💥💢LC
Thanks Michael!
Logical Cowboy,
From one ball coach to another, I can sit back and drink a brewskis all day listening to you break down football philosophy. That said, from what you wrote here it's very similar to what Norv Turner ran when he was at Dallas as the OC. Alvin Harper was the high jump vertical threat, very similar to Michael Gallup. For over the middle was definitely Michael Irvin but he could go deep as well. Then the slot receiver was Kelvin Martin who was a Punt Return Specialist as well. Everything keyed on the inside run that Emmitt Smith called the "Lead Draw". Which I'm still trying to understand the complexity of the play. And if you really look at Tony Pollard and Vince Vaughan, they're not really any bigger than Emmitt's playing wait. Now honestly, if Zeke is willing to block and be the Daryl Johnston of this running back group, we might have something special. Cause I've seen Zeke block. He's put several big defensive Tackles on there backs known as a pancake block. Hey that's actually one of the most fun positions to play. Because you really get to knock the snot out of someone, even in today's NFL. But it looks like Coach McCarthy is trying to put back in the 1990s Dallas Cowboys Offense.
Great post! Keep in mind McCarthy is a 90s coach so I wouldn't put it past him that somewhere along the road he took some ideas from Turner to modernize his West Coast offense. Everyone was stealing something from dallas in those days. Also keep in mind Turner received his concept from Ernie Zampese who received his concept from Don Coryell. Coryell received his concept from Gillman, the originator of both the West Coast offense and the Coryell offense. So it's no surprise that some West Coast proponents created concepts that resembled the Air Coryell and vice versa.
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He and McCarthy will undo the Damage caused by Kellen Moore.
Brilliant & flawlessly logical. Im very interested in how this new blend of the Air-Coryell/West Coast Offense hence the “Texas Coast” offense will operate? Considering that Dallas really doesn’t have a run threat (sorry Pollard fans he’s not gonna be able to handle the load) operates. Also one critique - too much praise is given to both Walsh & Coryell but hardly ever is Sid Gilman mentioned. Fascinating
Thanks, bro! Yeah, when I made this video, if I'm being honest with you, I really didn't know who Gillman was. It wasn't until I made another video a week later about the West Coast offense that I found out about him. I did a small segment on Gillman. You should check it out, not just for Gillman but for the entire video. I think you'll like it. Thanks bro.
@@thelogicalcowboy awesome’ I will check it out - I’m being honest - your analysis is stellar. Keep up the great work
That’s why we drafted Duece Vaughn and signed Ronald Jones and we also have Malik Davis who I still don’t understand why we didn’t play when Pollard got hurt against SF. We have a run threat it’s just keeping him healthy. Idk what team you watched to come to the conclusion that Pollard isn’t a threat
You should study up a little. No one is asking Pollard to be a bell cow. Dallas will have Pollard at about 15-17 runs per game. The other backs will bring the total up to 25-30 carries, depending upon game flow. Watch and learn. This team is going to run on people.
@@PaintingWithLight-kt2tc run on people ? You’re delusional
Cowboys QB's with the most 4th quarter come from behind victories: Romo a whopping 24. Aikman 15. Staubach 13. Prescott 12. White 11. I know that is a subjective stat with a lot of variables, my point is I still have doubts about Dak's accuracy on the really deep throws. I just don't think he can eat up big chunks of yardage the way Romo did. I just wonder how Dak will perform on those long ball, air it out, down the field plays. The '23 season is going to be fun to watch with our Cowboys in a new offense. As usual pro level breakdown. Your channel is the best for Cowboys content!
To have a lot of comebacks means your ass had to put them in a hole. Now don't get me wrong there is something about fearing a quarterback that can bring you back when it matters i e that son of a b**** Rogers. But you know what's even better painting the ball off to Emmett to end a game because you're not behind
Dak is a good deep ball thrower on the 9 route a go route because it’s a hit or miss ball either it’s over thrown or on target dak has confidence in that ball dak struggles with routes that require timing and anticipation
Good stuff dude. Kellen Moore had a nice long run with the Cowboys. Seems like with him and Grrett the Cowboys were trying to grow their own HC. It'll be good to make div rival defenses have to learn another playbook but it needs to happen fast before Dak loses his legs.
Facts!
Thanks for the video, Brother. Your work is greatly appreciated!!!
#DC4L
Thanks bro!!
Another gem brother. I remember watching the chargers and now it makes me wonder if they really had five weapons that were amazing including the quarterback or were they all products of that system. What I do know is I got their ass kicked in the playoffs every year by a team that wasn't afraid to jam it down your throat. The subtle differences between Air Coryell and the West Coast offense in most people's mind are small because they were both passing offenses. But not really West Coast was all about timing and crossing routes and running the ball and throwing it to your running back. Whereas I believe you explain the air coryell offense brilliantly. The fact that McCarthy came from that San Francisco Walsh offense doesn't mean that he's going to run a West Coast offense I believe he has learned a lot over the years without a Hall of Fame quarterback now and that changing your offense every few years even if you keep the same coordinator is a must. Unless you have Joe Montana and Jerry Rice and then you just do exactly what you do every f****** game. Thanks a ton maybe you could talk about McCarthy and his West Coast roots.
Thanks bro 🙏! That's a great idea! I can definitely do that! Great post!!
Coryell was a student of Tommy Prothro. Some consider Prothro to be the father of the West Coast offense even though it's not really known who invented it. It's like who invented the cheeseburger? There's at least three stories of where it first showed up. Not that people really care, they're just glad someone did. One thing is that I've heard how the Oakland Raiders of the 70s were terrified of the Chargers offense. They knew the Chargers could drop 40 on them at will.
And the raiders also knew they could drop 40 on them in any game
Also, needs TE that can convert on 3rd situations as well..
Yep!!
I'm hoping this will help. We've had the number offense with Kellen through 7 or 8 games then the Broncos played smart physical football and that was the turn in that season McCarthy didn't help that yr any. We have the O.L. if healthy and 3 very talented T.E. to help us run the ball and in the passing game. We have the backs if healthy to power it or bust it from anywhere. We have the T.E. and receivers to get the YAC or take the top off. We have the players hopefully this yr we have the scheme and execution to win it all.
I think its going to be a special season!
But thinking about More was Predictable pass on first down run on second.
He sure was
Good stuff. Also, you make me laugh every time I hear you pronounce "similar". 😅
Loll my accent 🤣
BTW, what's with the NFL schedule makers and making Dallas finish just about every damned season with a road game? Since 2000 and counting this upcoming season, (24 years) the Cowboys have finished with a home game just 6 times in that span. Six vs 18 on the road! That's no coincidence.
And why is that so important? Well, it's obviously easier to win at home than on the road, and Dallas has *never* been to a SB in any season where they've lost that final reg season game. 8 trips to the SB, and eight final seasonal game wins. 8-0.
So history says winning that final game is pretty important, so having it at home is kind of a big deal, IMO.
Wow!!! Great stuff! I didn't know that!
Rodgers was reason why they Won Super 45
Welcome to Carolina Shotty
Class was in session. Take notes.
😂 😂 thanks bro!
As a Commanders' fan, I'm happy Schottenheimer is in Dallas. No chance of a SB now!
😂 😂 Good one 👍
Stop worrying about our team. Washington I'm gonna change my name again team 🤔😆🤔👀🤔🤔😆😆😆
Ball control Air Coryell
Dak is terrible at accurately placing the ball on crossing and slant routes. He usually under throws them, which is probably why Kellen called so many stop routes. I'm curious to see how Dak adapts.
It's going to be a interesting season.
His thumb wasn't fully healed...grip should be fine this season
Only criticism is that you left out Coryell's debt to Sid Gillman. Imo, no way Coryell happens w/o Gillman!!
And Russ Wilson hated it and got him fired.
And then Russell was never the same after and got himself cut a few years later.
With the great draft & Free agent signings the Boys could play that Jimmy Johnson 36 Defense, it confuses the QB's ability to read where pressure is going to come from ...!
So your saying he could be an upgrade from Kellen Moore lol
Yep. Kellen Moore runs the ball just to run the ball lol. Schottenheimer runs the ball with a lot more purpose and detail which will make our offense a lot better.
@@thelogicalcowboy I'm thinking we are going further this year the Super bowl? Not sure but the NFC championship game is very possible
Schottenheimer was atrocious as the Rams' OC.
Yep he truly was.
ha, guaranteed Brian will call the plays midseason.
This confirms that the cowboys will never win a SB with the OC , HC , GM and QB that they have 😂
GM already has 3 superbowls 😅😂
Kellen moore and Brain Schottenheimer come from the Coryell tree but Kellen is a better play designer it was dak not kellen moore it’s a passing NFL and to help dak kellen still ran 47.3 % of the time how much more can you run in todays passing NFL