Admiralen class - Guide 110
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- The Admiralen class, destroyers of the Royal Dutch Navy, are today's subject.
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I'd say the Dutch got their money's worth and then some. "Fast ships going in harm's way"; in every sense of the term. Gallantly fought, gallantly fought.
ABTW; the one lost in action against the Germans killed a butt ton of paratroopers before the Luftwaffe "got her". She pretty much wiped out an entire battalion of Fallschirmjager.
As a Dutchman playing World of Warships on the NA server and famous on the NA forums for my endless crusade to get Dutch ships in the game, thank you for making and posting this video. The Admiralen have always been dear to me, and they would fit the game perfectly.
They will I play to
fnglert I look forward to playing the Admiralen class DDs in WoWs SOMEDAY! And thanks for your crusade. Those of us who are fans of the Dutch navy are grateful for your efforts!
I played on the EU server and admit to be a bit of a traitor to my home country the Netherlands xD.
I really, really like my german battleships, especially the Gneisenau even though it only has 6 guns with a horribly slow reload, as well as the Nassau that is just there for the low tier fun.
I like my cruisers to be Japanese, and German as well. Hated the tier 5s, tier 6s were very fun, and I love the tier 7s. The Katori at tier 3 is great fun but slower than even same tier BBs and fragile. Love it to bits.
Destroyers, well I suck at it do I'm not event bothering.
If you are still playing the game, atm there is a Dutch Cruiser line ingame under its own flag in its latest testing phase (you have to do grindy missions to get tokens and unlock starting from Tier 4)
So a wish for the Admiralen class destroyers are getting closer.
Hey Lert
Hi all...I am author of the book, "The Allied Defense of the Malay Barrier, 1941-1942" and have written extensively about the Dutch destroyers (and cruisers). While several Dutch destroyers did carry floatplanes, it was only done for prewar testing and proved largely unworkable. Not only did the secured aircraft render both X and Y turrets inoperable, but the ship had no catapult. Thus, it was required to fully stop in order to launch and recover the floatplane using a ship's crane. No aircraft were carried into battle by the destroyers during the Paciifc War. The only destroyer I know for sure that actually had a floatplane was Kortenaer. She shipped an aircraft in 1937-38 while on patrol in NEI water to guard against Japanese fishing boats, which were often spy ships. Kortenaer's seaplane caused a international incident when its observer shot up a Japanese fishing boat which refused to stop for inspection. Two crewmen were killed and several wounded.
2:36. Ah, the glorious Medway raid. :D
Here I am in the middle of the Canadian prairies,no water for thousands of miles and I’m fascinated by your program.
Darn! I was hoping for a Medway raid sequel and I'm not even Dutch. I also like envisioning the embarrassment that may have occurred when the Dutch placed the order. "Yes, we'd like eight of your excellent British-built destroyers. Their names? Um, let us get back to you on that..."
Would have been funny however, they were all built in the Netherlands by Dutch companies. Only the hull design and boilers came from the UK. ;)
you must have a read on the Hrms van Brakel. (named after the admiral that broke the chain at chatham ) it was a mine layer and patrolled the medway as spotter for german magnetic mines beeing dropped from bombers . . on one evening in 1943 i think she rammed the boom at chattham . when the ship reported "HrMs van Brakel damaged the boom at chatham " the reply of the british officer in charge was "AGAIN!?"
Good show, I'm absolutely hooked on this channel now that you're voicing everything.
I've seen my fair share of these 'admiralen' named ships when they would visit our island in the Caribbean, though obviously they were cold war escorts. Still cool to see how they keep these names around for a looong time. Cheers for another great vid!
indeed. Couldn't stand the computer voice, but human voice makes this great videos.
The Dutch navy tends to reuse names for their ships a lot. Some of them are even embedded in law, meaning there ALWAYS has to be a ship with that name either active or under construction.
The frigates you saw in the west Indies weren't so much escorts as submarine hunter/killers, designed to be part of the NATO hunter/killer groups of the Standing Naval Force Atlantic to combat Soviet fleet submarines.
At any time one or two were also stationed (on a rotating basis) in the west Indies as station ships, performing ceremonial duties as well as coast guard patrols. That's now done by corvettes after the significant downsizing of the Dutch navy in the 1990s and early 2010s that saw most of our fleet scrapped and most of the rest relegated to port for lack of fuel and spare parts.
How can u have seen these admiralen class when they were all sunk during WW2? Especially in the CW? :S
@@nuzor7 because modern Dutch ships carry the same names of the 17th century admirals as these destroyers did.
@@hmfmotorcycles4759 Then i misunderstood your comment, because i took "these" as u would had seen this class of ships which were obvious impossible :-).
Still need to finish up the Drydock, but this is one goes right after.
The 'Piet Hein' pronunciation was terrible, but the rest was OK. Piet Hein is still very famous in the Netherlands as he became a legendary national hero after capturing a Spanish Treasure fleet of 1626. Witte de With and Banckert also had commands in this Battle in the Bay of Matanzas, with minimal causalities at both sides. The prize money allowed the funding of the Dutch army for over half and year and provided the capital to lay the final, successful siege, on the last major Spanish stronghold in the Netherland: S'Hertogenbosch. Before this capture the Dutch revolt was under heavy economic pressure by Spain, afterwards (also to Spain overcommiting herself in other wars), the economic roles where reversed and the Dutch became economically dominant.
It would work better if he said "Pete Hain" and Witte de Wit, the last H is silent.
At least your not late for class
My Mother said she was a descendent of Piet Heyn. [Older spelling]. She was very proud of that. Perhaps, as a counter, my Father claimed to be related to Grania O'Malley, so they would tease me as a child that I had pirates on both sides. Adm Heyn's life was a real swashbuckler -- even better than the Errol Flynn ''Sea Hawk'' only not fiction. She pronounced her maiden name as ''HIne'' -- rhyming with the German word for one. This may have been an Americanization. I've never been to Holland to hear the locals say it.
@@HootOwl513 Oh no, pronunciation like 'Ein' is pretty accurate.
@@Tuning3434 Thanks. In 1990, I visited the RN Frigate HMS Danae when she was in Antigua.. The crew said there was a Dutch frigate called the Piet Hein that was their Leander Class sister ship. I had not known about the WWII destroyer.
Nice to see a video of a Dutch ship class again. I knew some of the names from the battle in the Java Sea, but not that they were part of a class of eight. They all met a quick end when war caught up with them. Same with the older Dutch cruisers.
I see what you did there. Van Halen... Van Galen.
That was a later ship, a one-off modification specifically designed to get through the canal at
PAAA NA MAAAAAA!!!
This is absolutely my favourite channel right now. Still waiting on that Indefatigable class video though lol
It's a long list :)
They have one
@@Drachinifel can you do a video on the buffel and schorpioen ironclads?
I have to admire your wonderful talent of making these vids entertaining with your super dry sense of humor as well as educational. 😊😊
As a non dutch speaker trying to learn dutch I can relate so much with you Drach. Good effort on pronounciation!
Personally I would be interested in videos about the strength of fleets of nations going into WWII
Am I the only one that is in awe even knowing how that this much steel can float.
New drach video. Great way to start a Saturday.
Love this video....I knew nothing about this class. Thank you for all that you do.
And yes....not having to go through all the screaming and dying is pretty awesome.
Thumbs up for Dutch DD and CL techtree in wow :D
I would love if you made a video about NRP Afonso de Albuquerque and NRP Dão. Afonso de Albuquerque made a valiant defense against the Indian army and navy in Goa, where the Portuguese army was outnumbered 10 to 1.
4:24 - That made me jump. 😉🤘
Clever, very clever.
Well he was dutch lol Eddie Van Halen emigrated with his parents :)
@Frank - I meant czcams.com/video/AyhkTbA6p4Q/video.html
4:27 THAT made me jump -- yikes
I think a new word should be coined for this kind of humour: *drachilarious* !
my grand vader was on HNLMS Witte de With as a sergeant torpedomaker but i survived it and he was send to a Japanese concentration camp to work on te
burma railways he survived that as well he even survived the nuke and when the war was over he went back to the nederlands and in the newspapers it was saying that he was already dead and his wife was married to someone els .
Yay. Love small ship stuff, please do more!
the next time a dutch ship is ordered from a british yard, we'll just ask them to park her in the medway while we rig up the batavia to sail over!
Would you consider a video on naval Hospital Ships? I realize this topic may stray too far from warships, but at least the armor and armament stats should go quickly. And think of the potential hypothetical questions raised!! Seriously, I just find myself impressed with the two current US hospital ships Mercy and Comfort given their size (length and tonnage) greater than any battleship and most carriers. Thanks, PrionW
As capable as they were, without support, it seems the Dutch just built some nice targets for the IJN.
Awesome video, as always. With reference to the Medway Raid, to quote my late mother-in-law, "It takes the Irish to beat the Dutch"! I have absolutely no idea why she said that, as she would just blurt it out randomly. I suppose I COULD ask her, but I'm afraid the conversation would be a trifle one-sided, she being dead and all.
Always interesting and well researched content. thank you
Very much appreciate your videos drach! Waiting patiently for KING KONGO hehehe
I was most impressed by the W-A floatplane. It was obviously a dead end design because you never see a plane with an inverted tail fin. Can anyone comment on how well that design worked for that particular aircraft?
korbell lots of aircraft have ventral fins as they give directional stability at higher angles of attack (you can see them of the F-14 Tomcat for example). The Germans considered a design towards the end of the war that had a rotating tail section (tailplane and fin) for the same reason, and the Dornier "Pfiel" had both a dorsal and ventral fin and rudder set up. Some of the early Martin Baker aircraft didn't have a fin, using the rear fuselage instead to give directional stability (the rudder was directly at the end of the fuselage). But inverted fin and rudder has never really been a successful feature, as it restricts the angle of rotation on the ground and is a liability in a crash. Aerodynamically there is no difference in normal flight.
That floatplane is a wwi Design by the Hansa Brandenburg company originaly knowen as w12. It was considered the best floatplanefighter of the German navy.
Hansa Brandenburg is a interesting company. It was owned by camillo castilione, an austrian industrial. Tue company was the most importaint suplyer of pläne Designs for the austro hungarian air force and navy. In Germany only für navy bought there planes. There Chief Designer was a gut known by the name ernst heinkel!
Oh and to ensure a stady Duplo of engines dir bis companys planes Camino castilione bought a almost bancrupt company, reorganised it, and run it und er a ned Name. It was then called BMW!
Oh the invertet tail works very well and was used on several other Hansa Brandenburg desinges as well. The very deep dear fuselage first apart in the Hansa Brandenburg KD (kampfdopeldecker) to fix stability isses. The ruder in this Designs was upright because of the plane bring a landplane. Tue same Concert was later used on the w.12 with the ruder inventet to give the rear rüber a better field of Fire. With there floatplanefigters this was kept richt up to wars end and the famous w.29 monoplane.
Her also was a plane that is almost the same pläne as the w.12 nur as a landplane. Thats the phönix c.1 of the austro hungarian air force.
Tue w.12 was build in License by the duch as w.a.
Once again an interesting piece, always leaves me wanting more information on the subject vessels and their operational history.
HA!!... the Van Halen bit. That was good.
Well, a new Drachinifel video is up. Time to cast of the work yoke and settle in with a nice cup of Earl Grey! ^_^
Thank you for the video, i even learned some things i didn´t knew. great job with the names the only one didnn´t work was the Piet Hein name Pete Heyn would be closer ..
Good stuff, Drach!
De Ruyter - fair enough, the "ui" sound is uniquely Dutch so nobody else can pronounce it.
Kortenaer - Cor-tuh-naah-r (the hyphens are to indicate different sounds but the r at the end is not seperate)
Evertsen - A-(like the alphabet letter) fur-tsun (soft 't', sounds like 'son' which it originally came from: zoon). So the original name would have been "Evertszoon"
Piet Hein - Pete Hayn (not exactly but the "ei" also is a bit typically Dutch sounding)
What a grim life this class of ships had. The bridge under construction at 5:12 looks a bit like Sydney harbour bridge. 🤔
It is Sydney harbor bridge. Dutch ships always visited Australia, until their withdrawal from East of Suez in 1965.
For a moment I thought it was Newcastle.
Thanks Drach
You really make it difficult to do anything else once I see a new video has been uploaded.
Not mentioned is that in recent years several of these wrecks have been illegally salvaged from the sea floor and for all intents and purposes no longer exist. It is rumored that human remains recovered during the salvage were dumbed unceremoniously in mass graves.
Not only did the no. 1 Vickers 2 pounder (40 mm) guns have problems with failure to fee stoppages at high elevations, they also only had low velocity ammunition, and no tracer ammunition had ever been developed by Vickers or the RN. The guns were fed by a fabric belt of 25 rounds each, and the whole gun was essentially a scaled up Vickers .05/62 machine gun. Unfortunately, the fabric belts deteriorated rapidly in the tropical heat of the
Netherlands East Indies, causing rounds to fall out of the belts at high elevations. Combined with the failure to feed issues, the 2 pounder guns on the second group of Admiralen class ship were never reliable guns. A fix was found by 1939, but events overtook the ability to supply the stiffer mounts and feed pathways before any of the Admiralen class ships could be refitted.
More seriously in terms of effectiveness was the lack of tracers. There were no directors for the guns so sighting was done through spider sights mounted on the guns. Even with smokeless powder, the guns gave off a tremendous amount of smoke, so seeing which direction the rounds were going was difficult without being able to follow them due to the lack of brightly glowing tracers. What was difficult during daylight was impossible after dark or in gloomy weather. The second group of ships were equipped more as minesweepers than traditional destroyers, since the Dutch assumed war against the NEI would be a protracted one of blockade and mining, so the small number of torpedo tubes and anti aircraft guns was considered acceptable. The Japanese, however, had different plans.
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3:11 Drac, you forgot the drowning part.
yey fist Dutch shipclass. most names where understandable for me
Piet Hein was our Drake, he captured Spanish ships, worth in the several billion euro's in todays money.
Q&A:
In several drydocks you talked negatively about Dutch preformance/leadership in ww2 (battle of the Java sea ect) could you do a special about the battles around the Dutch east Indies. or do a short overview in a drydock episode? was is doctrine, screw ups, overconfidence, lack of capabilaty?
Some of it was language and operational docterine difficulties as well. I don't think the Dutch, Austrailians, and American fleets spent a lot of time in joint excercises back in those days, so did not operate well together.
@@davidkaminski615 Before WWII there were no joint exercises or efforts to prepare for joint operations. Plus the various designs, well possibly quite good for their intended roles, did not always complement each other well.
He already did the light cruiser Java
The battles around the Dutch East Indies went very badly chiefly for three reasons:
1.) Japan did exceptionally well, having planned the offensive well in advance against nations not really prepared for an attack. Between superior forces and superior planning, the Allies didn't have much time to come up with a counteroffensive plan; the US and UK both considered the western Pacific area lost, between the disastrous losses sustained at Pearl Harbor and the loss of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse off Singapore (not to mention that another Commonwealth fleet was bombed at Darwin during the Indonesian campaign, and afterwards the only British capital ships in the Pacific would be attacked off Ceylon and would retreat all the way to the Western Indian Ocean).
2.) Japanese warships tended to be qualitatively-superior to Allied warships in 1942, particularly due to the especially-effective Type 93 torpedoes they carried (which used compressed oxygen rather than air, giving them massive range); oddly enough, it wasn't usually the destroyers that were torpedoing warships off Indonesia, but the heavy cruisers (which were also heavily-armed with torpedoes). They also had aircraft carriers and naval aircraft near Indonesia, versus relatively-ineffective Allied air opposition (the USA was suffering from the same sort of debilitating chain of command problems that had rendered the Italian Supermarina incapable of coordinating with the Regia Marina in the Mediterranean).
3.) The ABDA command, assigned by the allies as a joint-command to consolidate the British, American, Dutch, and Australian warships in the western Pacific, was a mess. The British and Americans wanted to consolidate their forces, but the Dutch in particular were eager to defend their islands (the overall commander of the ABDA, Conrad Helfrich, was a native of Indonesia and had the same sort of aggressive spirit of a commander like Ernest King); this did not go well, as his constant push for his forces to attack led them to become exhausted sortieing out for landing forces before being overwhelmed by one of the various Japanese patrol groups escorting the landing forces. This is coupled with a lack of unified signal commands (meaning the US and Commonwealth ships didn't use the same signals for each other, while many of the Dutch ships didn't even have the ability to communicate in English with the other ships despite some of them, such as the leading admiral Karel Doormann, speaking Dutch and English fluently).
They would have had a disaster even if the Allied fleet hadn't been numerically and qualitatively-inferior to begin with, but when a fleet with no effective communications, a serious disparity between the objectives set by the senior commander and the tactical capabilities of the fleet on-sight, no reliable air support, and smaller and generally inferior ships is pitted against a well-coordinated and well-trained homogenous fleet of larger Japanese warships with land and carrier-based air cover...they really didn't stand a chance.
in 1940 when the light cruiser "Heemskerck" escaped her yard (under construction) and was stopped by 2 British destroyers cause they did not know the ship they send over a small boat and asked "does anyone speak English" to which about a dozen hands (including all officers present) went up .. they informed the British they where a dutch light cruiser under construction, running on 1 turbine and with a much to small crew, after that the language barrier between the officers of the 2 navies was no longer an issue, dutch sailors where actually soon schooled in English as the new ships the dutch would be getting had all levers, knobs and on all with English tags.
now.. the reasons abda command did not do well.
the royal navy as well as the USN kept some forces out of the ABDA command, this counts for submarines, destroyers, and even cruisers, 2 light "C" class cruisers for example.
Admiral Hart kept command of the US Submarines.
several damaged ships left for Australia, while other ships where crewed by reservists, old crews, or damaged (like Houston who could not use its aft turret and ran out of ammunition, forcing crew members to drag the shells from the after to the forward magazines.
a chronic lack of reconnaissance, the old dutch Dornier flying boats and a hand full of PBY's where all that was available, and as soon as the Japs found out where the bases of these planes where they quickly took them out.
age of the ships. the Japanese destroyers where all mid-late 30's, the cruisers where much bigger then the Houston and Exeter, faster and carried the good type 93 torpedoes, the Perth and De Ruijter where the only 2 modern cruisers after Boise ran aground and was send for repairs. the British destroyers aside "Jupiter" where all early 30's and the us destroyers where of ww1 vintage. the Java was 1925-26 (but a ww1 design) and de "Tromp" with her 19mm plating was badly mauled by some Japanese destroyers.
HMS Jupiter also had damage and she went into battle with only 5 main guns, the forward "b" mount had been damaged and was replaced in Surabaja with a single 4.7 inch mount.
what could have saved the dutch east indies....... aside from peace.... nothing, the Japanese where willing to throw most of their navy at the conquest, they used only 4 bb's 5 fleet and some smaller carriers, a few cruiser and destroyer squadrons and a lot of aircraft, the oil and rubber where vital for the war machine, and the Singapore and Surabaja naval bases had good repair facilities for ships.
Enjoying your hard work. Interested in the Tribal through to Battle classes as well please.
I was thinking that kortenaer was the one who sunk our motor torpedo boat in Aru Sea Battle. But just know that it was the predecessor which sunk in Java Sea Battle with Japanese
Great channel! But do I miss something, or is there no video about the Kongo class at your channel?
The next Dutch navy ship definitely needs to be called HNLMS Van Halen!
Next battalion of Fallschirmjager, the HNLMS Van Halen would signal to the transport planes by blinker light, "Du könntest genauso gut springen - springen! Gehen Sie voran und springen Sie."
@@tcpratt1660
je kunt net zo goed springen - springen! Ga je gang en spring.
In the old movie "In Which We Serve", by Noel Coward, what class was that destroyer?
Evertsen was an elegant destroyer. (It makes me sad knowing that she is no longer with us.)
It's pronounced Peet Hein (rimes with Einstein) The rest was very well pronounced! They were all built in the Netherlands though. Don't think you mentioned that but I did see some confusion about that in the comments.
Was half way threw it when it donned on me that the lettering on the side of the ships was the abbreviation of there names .
Have you come across C.S. Forrester's book The Good Shepherd? I found it many years ago and fell in love with it. I would be intetested in your opinion of the accuracy of Foresters' description of destroyer tactics during convoy duty....love the channel....still sorry about the cheese
Could you please do a video about the Unsinkable Cleveland-class light cruiser, or at the very least the First 4 of the Cleveland class; USS Cleveland, USS Columbia, USS Montpelier, and USS Denver.
Please have a go at the Norwegian navy, and specially on KNM Norge og KNM Eidsvoll, and their sister ship that never arrived due to WWI and british took it for themself.
Sees vid of Admiralen class: *Dutch nationalism intensifies*
Could you do a video on the Akizuki class of Destroyers? They are very interesting to me, as they were the first IJN Destroyer with 100mm guns that could fire super fast.
PS., Drachinifell, don't you know that if you make a video about Dutch history you *must* insert a fragment of the Wilhelmus? Just like history with hilbert does.... :-p
The Maritiem Museum in the heart of Rotterdam has a couple of very large paintings, called Panorama Burgerhout, that show ships build by this shipyard in Rotterdam. On one of them you can see an Admiralenklasse destroyer, Burgerhout build 5 of them.
maasbergen.wordpress.com/2018/11/01/maritiem-museum-rotterdam/
As for the pronunciation, not too bad but for De Ruyter and Piet Hein. Just remember that Piet is the same as Pete and the ei in Hein is pronounced somewhat like eye. And if you see two vowels in combinations like this: ae or oi that almost always means you dubbel the first vowel. Kortenaer therefore sounds in Dutch like a long a or in English somewhat like ah.
Your videos are awesome! You've made a subscriber out of me :)
If I may suggest, I'd like to see a video on USS Stewart someday, an American destroyer which was captured and put into service by the Japanese.
Well at least us Clog Wogs put up a bit of a fight :) The battle for Java took most of them though :( Thanks for the History Vids, keep em up :)
A destroyer's life expectancy was not very high.
So, the Dutch Navy doesn't put hull numbers on their ships and only marks them with a 2-letter designation that reflects the ship's name?
You've done the HNLMS Java. You could cover the HNLMS De Ruyter. If you want to cover another country, how about do a video of any of Spain's cruisers that were around during the Spanish Civil War. Didn't some Spanish cruisers fight each other? I recall reading about one that was torpedoed.
Since we're talking about that ABDA fleet actions, how about the cruiser Houston.
Could you do Polish Grom and Wicher destroyer classes? If you need help with the research, just let me know ;)
I've covered Blyskawica (spl?) but help with the Wicher class would be great :)
@@Drachinifel It will be similar story as with Grom class (Wicher got sunk on 3.09.39), but the Burza went on to serve whole war and then returned to Poland. Let me know what you need -> leszek@kadelski.pl
Why is size escalation inevitable? Were they obsessing over one on one combat the way you seem to?
All these obscure ships! Please can you review HMS Queen Mary? Probably biggest RN loss other than Hood? Poor design, poor ammo handling, lucky shot?? Your thoughts would be very welcome...
Check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Van_Nes_(1930) for the appalling story of the loss of the Van Nes on Feb 17, 1942 after a two hour battle with IJN bombers and including how it attacked another Dutch destroyer scuttled two days earlier. The ship it was escorting, full of Dutch civilians was also sunk. Feb 17th, 1942; a dark day for the Allies with 50,000 British and Australian troops sent to the Burma railway (18,000 would die) and more..
2 like no views, off to a good start then.
Aye
Can you add Rivers Class Destroyers, grandfather of ocean going destoyers, to the long list of ships for a guide please.
I've seen that for quora as well.
4:25 nice try, but rather than being a Dutch ship, the Van Halen is flagged in PA-NA-MAAAAAA!!!
Any chance for HNLMS Isaac Sweers? She had an interesting, but too short life.
On the intro film with all the big guns firing you see a bunch of paper or something flying around. Any idea what that stuff is?
Not what you'd call a luck class. At least not when it involved aircraft and torpedoes.
I feel really sad for HNLMS Banckert she lost all her sisters and was the final member left but alas her fate was to be sunk as well.
Technically, Banckert was scuttled when she and the drydock she was in were sunk in Soerabaja's naval base by a Dutch submarine torpedo to prevent capture when the Japanese invaded the island of Java. Banckert had been hit during a air raid a few days earlier, which is why she didn't take part in the Battle of the Java Sea.
have you done the flower class corvette and tribal class destroyer leader?
A Van Halen would have been epic.
Van Halen and Vandenberg sounds right ;)
This could come under the heading of "destroyer class with the worst luck." All eight of them lost in a very short period... not so good. The ABDA Command - American, British, Dutch, and Australian, might better have run like hell. Ten or more ships and much of their crew were lost for the small advantage of a one day delay in the invasion of Java. Not so good. For the first year of the war, the ABDA fleet was totally outclassed by the Japanese, especially by the Long Lance torpedo and their more powerful cruisers. Even with air superiority at times, ABDA was ineffective, though no one doubts their valor. The populations and assets they were ostensibly protecting were no better off for their brave deaths, and might have been better served by a strategic retreat to safer waters. I feel certain the ABDA commanders underestimated the forces of Japan, to their eventual destruction.
I'd like to see the account of the Dutch subs based in Western Oz which were so aggressive and effective during the early part of WW II that their commander was given the moniker 'Ship-a-day Helfrich'
Wait, what!? An Asashio torpedoed a destroyer!? HACKS
I wonder if launching it through an Island would make that work? :)
Remember when the Dutch had a capable navy?
Not even Pepperridge Farms remembers that far back.
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remember when denmark had one of the most powerful navies on earth?
@@nordic5628 🤔 nope......
@@WALTERBROADDUS denmark-norway had a very powerful navy but then the brits came and ruined it in 1807
The Dutch Navy might not be the biggest, I wish it was bigger, but it probably is the smallest navy capable of operating anywhere in the world.
So I would certainly call it capable. I would even suggest it's more capable than a lot of navies of much larger countries.
Who was the better CO, Dave Roth or Samuel Hagar?
(Or Gary Cherone)
If I ever serve in the Dutch Navy, I hope to serve on the van....Galen
New subscriber ski may just not have found these yet. But are there videos for the Italian Garabaldi and Capitani Romani classes?
Not yet :)
Ey dude, are you gonna do a video on pronouncing japanese ship's names? If so i may be able to help you with that.
There was a coat hanger type bridge in one photo, was that Sydney on Newcastle-on-Tyne?
What I can find did the Hr. Ms. de Ruyter visit Sidney in Australia in October 1930.
Together with her sister Hr. Ms. Evertsen and the cruiser Hr. Ms. Java.
Would you be able to do a video on the uss enterprise
Q&A, of topic from the video but what I am wondering is, are there plans for more wargamed scenarios like 'last ride of the high seas fleet'? Personally I found that video really interesting and would love to see more. Also what system did you use to war game the scenario?
Some, but it takes a while to get everything arranged with my wargaming group
>next on the list
Is this the order they will come out too, or that's randomized list?
It's the order they'll come in :)
remember when the dutch destroyed most of the ships of the most powerful navy in the world?
Did they sunk any enemy ships?
The axis power had a field day with the Dutch navy
the dutch submarines sunk more japanese ships in the first months of the war then the entire british and american fleets combined.
What would have happened had the Japanese won Midway and sunk all 3 carriers with no major losses to their own ships.
They weren't expecting to.
William Bolton they thought they could take out the carriers but that’s because they only thought there were 2. Anyway it’s just a hypothetical
So if the US carriers were found first and imminently sunk in the first wave of planes, then hypothetical they could have bombarded the island. But the IJN carriers would still gotten damaged, since Midway is unsinkable carrier. Then during the repair time the US couldn't attack and that would lead to a longer campaign of the US. This would mean that the war could be extended, IF there was no atomic bomb.
@@Gingerbreadley they hoped they would meet the US carriers and sink them, but they were expected and sunk.
William Bolton yes I’m asking about how he thinks the war would go had that not happened
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Wonder why the UK who had the best Navy has only a fraction of what it once had ? Maybe because NATO will be there for them ?
Unlucky ships? Or bad design for the time?
I have a request you do a video on USS Samuel B. Roberts DE 413 Or a battle between Bismarck vs Post 1942 planned large repair/refit HMS Hood
Read Piet Hein as Pete Hine and you won't be far off the mark.
You hella funny !!!!. Van ????
i'm not dutch but west - flemmish, which is the strange border area between my language being a dialect or being a different language with dutch ... if you need help with pronunciation with dutch names, contact me. ;)
IJN Yūbari please
Class A 10
Canada can not even build one of these right now .