Seiko MM200 GMT VS Longines Hyrdoconquest GMT: Which One Is The Best Diver GMT?
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- I love GMT watches whether they are flyer GMTs or caller GMTs. I've owned a bunch of them including the Rolex Explorer II, Tudor Black Bay Pro, Seiko SSK GMT, and more from Grand Seiko, Zodiac, and Traska. So it's no surprise that the new Seiko Marinemaster 200 GMT SPB383 piqued my interest considering it combined the looks of the Marinemaster 300 with a GMT function.
Then a few months later, Longines released the HydroConquest GMT with a much needed upgrade to the dial and bracelet, now featuring a very refined quick adjust clasp. Additionally they made this watch a dive GMT meaning that the watch is a dive watch with a standard (more practical) elapsed time dive bezel, but with the addition of a GMT function. Since I love dive watches and GMTs so much, did Longines make my perfect watch? Or does the charm of the very classic Seiko looking MM200 GMT make it a better watch in my eyes?
In this video, I’m going to compare the Seiko Marinemaster 200 GMT SPB383 and the Longines HydroConquest GMT by scoring 8 categories that cover the many different aspects of a watch such as the dial, hands, case, bracelet, on the wrist feel, and just how happy they make me feel. So which one will come out on top?
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TIME STAMPS:
Marinemaster 200 GMT vs HydroConquest GMT - 00:00
The Dial / Hands - 01:02
The Case / Bezel - 02:37
The Bracelet - 04:07
The Movement - 05:40
On The Wrist Feel - 07:28
Value - 08:27
Strapmonsterability - 09:56
TWI Happy Index - 10:58
Final Score - 12:08
DIMENSIONS:
Longines HydroConquest GMT
Case width: 41.3mm
Lug width: 21mm
Bracelet at clasp: 16mm
Bracelet taper: 5mm
Lug to lug: 49.2mm
Bezel width: 41.1mm
Dial width: 31mm
Case thickness: 12.9mm
Midcase thickness: 6.2mm
Bezel height: 3.5mm
Crown diameter: 7.1mm
Crown height: 4.5mm
Weight: with bracelet: 174 grams
Water resistance: 300m
Crystal: sapphire
Movement: L844.5
Power reserve: 72 hours
Seiko MM200 GMT SPB 383
Case width: 42.1mm
Lug width: 20mm
Bracelet at clasp: 18.0mm
Bracelet taper: 2mm
Lug to lug: 48.5mm
Bezel width: 41.8mm
Dial width: 28.9mm
Case thickness: 13.4mm
Midcase thickness: 6.3mm
Bezel height: 3.3mm
Crown diameter: 6.4mm
Crown height: 3.9mm
Weight: with bracelet: 172 grams
Water resistance: 200m
Crystal: sapphire
Movement: Seiko 6R54
Power reserve: 70 hours
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Great video. I’ve been obsessed with both of these. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The Seiko gets my vote!
I own the Seiko and love it. It's my one watch collection lol! The Longines is a looker though!
Great review. The feel of the watch on your wrist is often underestimated.
Great comparison. Keep up the great vids!
Great video and you make a good point about people being way too focused on specs and not giving watches a chance bc of it. Watch peoole enjoy the details but it shouldn't get in the way of enjoying a watch bc in the end 99.99% of the time water resistance doesnt matter and a watch running a bit faster isnt a big deal. If a watch makes you happy and if it wont break down on you then said watch is good to go!
Thanks Ed! Yeah I see people saying that they love the watch but a particular spec isn't good enough. There are always going to be deal breakers but a little less water resistance or a movement that isn't Rolex accurate aren't big deals to me if the watch is really speaking to me. And plus if a watch is fast it's a good thing in my book so I'm never late lol!
Agreed, but sometimes, specs are what make people happy about their watch. Like the deep divers that literally can only be used as intended by a couple of hundred people in the world
When reviewing watches, specs and build should take precedence above everything, and the Longines wins in every department here other than price.
I have a new Longines Conquest Chronograph in my collection (lovely watch) and kind of compatible to the Hydoconqest. I also have a Sumo limited edition with a 6R range calibre inside, which has been truely awful from day one! You cannot possibly compare these two watches side by side. Yes a Marinemaster with an 8 series calibre, but no no no. I also have a Seiko 5 in collection and the 4R36 movement inside that utterly outperforms the 6 series in the Sumo and let’s face it we’re looking at a calibre that costs about £50 (UK). The ETA variant in the Longines is an altogether better calibre (and far more costly)!
I'm wearing my Longines and Seiko in rotation. I prefer the Seiko though. I can't wrap my head around people collectively dismissing Seikos north of 1000 bucks. Maybe I won the Seiko lottery but my individual piece really outshines more expensive Swiss options with its intricate finishing and it also runs within COSC. My best purchase of 2023.
Perfect comparisson, exactly what I was looking for. I will go for Seiko not only for the price but especially for the case and overall look. So an extra 100$€ for a better bracelet will still be cheaper than the Longiness.
the HC GMT now is offered in a 43mm variant (with a 22mm lug width), so this would improve strap demonstrability too!
Seiko finishing is amazing for the price point. it looks more expensive than the longines!
You have covered many GMTs lately which I’m a big fan of.
Would you consider reviewing the newly released Breitling Avenger GMT?
A watch that has caught my attention these last few weeks and there doesn’t seem to be much fanfare or reviews on CZcams of this new Avenger range.
Guys I need your opinion, which one looks better black or green mm200? Planning to pull the trigger soon
I love the looks of both but as I said, the Longines is just much cleaner! Great video as always buddy 😎
Longines bracelet and movement are far better than Seiko... Seiko is trying to step up with this watch but loose bezel, unsigned crown, lack of easy push extension on bracelet are a big down. I mean lets accept it seiko's bracelet is horrible.
Have you found any aftermarket bracelets for the spb383?
I couldn’t find any, crafter blue do an excellent fitted vulcanised rubber strap though, think it might be on sale too 🤫
@@Leby69 thanks.
Longines zulu time is the best.
Two different level.
Thanks for the vid. Wondering if you’re planning on checking out the new 39mm Legend Diver?
Sure thing! The 39mm legend diver is super tempting and right up my alley for sure so I would want to check it out in person and do a video. That said I'll have to sell some watches before doing so lol!
Good, wait to see your review for Legend Diver. @@thewatchidiot
For 95% of people a callers GMt is more functional. This will start to be more accepted when the travel GmTs work their way into the affordable watch world (already happening). As the fixation on ‘true’ GMT is mostly about snobbery given they are traditionally only in more expensive pieces.
I have both. Movement in SPB 383 sucks. Longines is the better specked watch. They both look great. And the sunburst finish is spectacular in the green. The bravelet sucks on Seiko too. Like them both though, just HQ GMT better.
Great video!
Happy Index should be 20 points. It’s the most important factor.
If the Seiko had the date at 3 then I would have gotten the green dial.
My question is: which would you choose if you had to wear one watch for a year?
It would be the MM200 GMT without a doubt bc of how connected I am with the overall design so the reasons for choosing it over the Longines are more personal. That said spending a year with the HC GMT would be more than ok as well!
Which would you choose?
@@thewatchidiot I’d probably go with the Longines because of the clasp and I love the brand as a whole. I also love Seiko, but Longines and Omega are dear to me because my dad has given me a few of each brand throughout my life
@@mariog7213in the end it’s all subjective and emotional.
IMO Longines is clearly better watch in almost every aspect, but I like Seiko's design more and never like this design of Longines for some reason (Probably the hour markers being circular at 6-9 and date window). That's why I have green dial version of this Seiko in my wishlist and will probably buy it. I wish I like design of Longines so that I would get this peace definitely, because there are tons of value packed in it and this watch is at the same league with Tudor, maybe even better. Also congrats to Seiko to have very nice design and well finished case and dial. Watch collecting is interesting.
I’m about to sell my Pelagos 42, which has been my outdoor beater for a few years now. It’s served me well but I want to mix it up. I’m torn between this Seiko and the refreshed Damasko DC80. I’m leaning towards the Damasko even though it’s 2x the price because I find more utility in a central minutes chronograph than I do in a GMT, even though I travel quite a bit. But man, that Seiko is quite handsome! Thanks for the comparison.
I really like the video, but I wonder why compare a "true" (Longines) vs "oficce" (Seiko) GMT. Could you, please, enlighten me? Don't take me wrong, I would buy any of them without hesitation, I like both brands a lot.
Becuase it doesn't matter?
Longines got my vote.
Do you think if you saved up you could get some more high-end pieces and dump the mid-tier stuff?Rolex GMT would be a nice pick up
I owned then sold off 3 grand seikos bc I wasn't wearing them enough and sold my 42mm explorer II bc it was a bit too big so while a GMT master II would be cool I don't think I'd enjoy it enough to warrant purchasing one. For me the mid tier is super interesting, btwn the MM200 GMT and a GMT master II I'm taking the seiko!
@@thewatchidiotHydroconquest GMT is better.
As I watched the video, I skipped some parts and thought they were priced similarly. I still picked the Seiko. Now that I know the Seiko costs half as much, it’s a no-brainer.
During this mm200 gmt release, many people said that the dive bezel + gmt function on this watch is irrelevant & weird . but finally longines imitated the dive bezel + gmt hands combination from seiko as well. no wonder after this, many other watch brands will make combinations like this 😂. & don't forget seiko wins this competition easily with its much cheaper price.
Btw i love all your videos dude. Keep it up ❤
Great comparisons. I personally think between the two, I'd likely pick the Seiko. I don't do much traveling abroad these days like I used to. And frankly I really don't even need a GMT watch, I just like the look of one. And with all that in mind, and the convenience of quick setting the date on the psycho, I probably choose to say go. And the Seiko has its own identity. Whereas this particular new GMT reference for the hydro conquest does look a bit submariner derivative.
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the comparison! Lol yeah as much as I like to say I need to track other time zones it just comes down to me liking the look of the fourth GMT hand 😅 although tracking does come in handy every once in a while which helps me mentally justify it! And yeah the quickset date on caller GMTs vs the tedious date change on flyer GMTs is something that I think people often forget about. Not a big deal if it's always wound or in use but man when it's not....
Finally a tuber who points out these good points of “office” GMT. I have many travelers GMT watches and I still need to readjust both time zones and dates when I switch locations between Asia and America. There is no advantage to the more expensive GMT.
my mm200 was misaligned...
I'm going to Seiko
Seiko is great if you don't mind it running fast by 2 minutes a day sometimes..hate that movement..
Haha pa kako je onda odlican 😂
First of all, I am a Longines HydroConquest GMT owner, therefore, I am easy to put Longines win on every round of comparison.
The only point for Seiko to win is the price, USD 1500 over the USD 2775 of Longines that you can save a lot of money and even buy one more watch.
For the GMT function, as you said, it is depend on your use. If you are a stable people, not flying around , a caller GMT has no harm for you.
Nice to hear from a HC GMT owner, which version did you get? Also all valid points for sure! There's a lot of savings on the line if someone can enjoy a caller gmt, bc in the end a caller gmt is just a different GMT function!
The green dial, brother. @@thewatchidiot
Both nice but the Longines for the easy win.
I totally agree. The movement alone separates these two. Not that the Seiko is a bad movement, but it is much more “pedestrian” imo
@@mariog7213 yes indeed!
Yeah if someone is able to chose btwn the two and doesn't have a specific connection with Seiko then the Longines would be a better buy. But for those with Seikopathy it's a different story😄
@@thewatchidiotIn other words, those that get commission if viewers buy a Seiko from your links?
The seiko is much better looking. What good are specs if you dont like the watch?
Seiko all day
In my opinion, the Seiko should be a 9.5 and the Longines a 7.5. My reasoning is that for $1500 the Seiko give you just as much if not more than that Longines. In your own score, the Longines for nearly $3K lost to a watch half the price.
Saiko!
Its original design vs 'like-all-swiss' design.
L888 movement kills the 4r36 or 7
Ok... but Its a 6R54 in this Seiko :D
My mistake..cheers
Pa glupo je od ovog gospodina uopste poredjenje dva sata ,dva razlicita nivoa i razreda kvaliteta.
I woulde the Seiko much more
am i tthe only one who pictures Arnold Schwarzenegger whenever this man says "Dial"? :-)
Seiko anyday
Not quite sure why we're looking at a comparison of a Seiko with a watch that costs twice as much
Longines look expensive and refined
Not sure you’re looking at the right pieces there. The best GMT Diver in terms of overall value, aesthetics, and specs is the Bulova Devil Diver GMT. The Longines and the Seiko are ok for newbies but meh for the market category they wish to occupy
Your exasperation at 6:37 is exactly why the Omega Caliber 8900 does not appeal to me. Also, it's not even a GMT movement. Sorry, not related at all to the content of this video but I totally felt your exasperation.
I'm glad to hear that there are people out there who think the same! I genuinely feel pressure to keep the Longines wound up so as to not deal with the date change hassle and yeah as cool as the 8900 movement is for daylight saving time changes and travel, it's just so irritating any other time. The previous generation Aqua Terra looks fantastic but the movement gives me pause. I think the latest version uses the same movement as well but hopefully not lol!
If the watch is your only watch or it is part of small collection or you fly to different timezones a lot then a flyer GMT makes sense. otherwise the caller GMT is more practicable.
For this reason and more, I got the seiko.
I hope that longines releases a smaller version of the HC GMT, like a 39mm, like they did for the zulu time and the spirit, that'll be awesome 👌
as for GMT both make the same mistakes, which has a too small 24hr marker thin printing make it unreadable at a distance , to makes it worse it's printed on a slope surface!
The orange kills it for me. I don't own or wear ANYTHING orange, why the heck would I want it on my wrist. I get the history of orange on dive style watches, but orange isn't the color for me in any situation. I would have to go with the blue dial version.
Why…are you Irish?
@@MikeOBrien1945 Absolutely not.
I don't own anything orange either so for me I enjoy the pop of color since it's subtle. An orange dial watch would be a bit much for me tho lol! The blue dial version is really good looking as well
Orange is the new Black
Case quality of mm200 gmt is however very nice, movement is basically luck but within the range some +12 seconds, i do not complain, bracelet is good, clasp i liked it, design very nice despite the diameter, sits well, ceramic bezel. Have owned many spb range divers but this is a level above. Overall nice watch and it wins with versatility.
The Longines just looks so much better in every way.
The font, dial, and bezel on it looks so ugly
@@josephotico6175 not to me. we all see things a little different.
Do you have any watches with an oyster case?
Not even comparable with the different GMT functions, so also not comparable in prices. If there was a Seiko vs Longines HC comparison, you’d have to find a Seiko diver with a flyer GMT. I find a look of the HC much more refined than the Seiko but I’m not a Seiko fan and absolutely abhor 4 ‘o clock crowns. You’re fully on the money with the Rolexey lugs though, it’s a bit much and a misfire as Longines has a pretty strong image and there was no need to go that way.
Longines is so much better IMO
The Seiko Dial looks TOO BUSY( Dirty )😕
I can see how you think that with the 24 he track but it all looks pretty clean to me!
Seiko ftw
Am I the only one who wants the new hydroconquest in quartz?
I can vibe
@@Leby69 hell yeah
This Seiko completely destroys this Longines, It's almost half the price with original design and great overall specs. The clasp is just awful though.
As usual Seiko wins for orig design. Anything that isn't an obvious Rolex biotch wins in my book
It’s funny that you said that because all I see is a Rolex Sea Dweller when I look at this Seiko
The bones of any dive watch is going to be the same hence look somewhat similar, but pretty much every element of Seiko's core divers are different from Rolex, short of some of them having circle indices and rectangles at 369 positions
@@thewatchidiot this particular one looks like SD to me.
Longines boring looks and has role. And omega homage looks while Seiko is original design. Seiko wins it for me
To me, the Longines is a Rolex homage.
Longines je znacajno klasu iznad ,glupo ih je porediti .Seiko kakav god bio skup je za ono sto daje .
Longines--- looks and feel way more cheaper...
The bias...😂
This dude said the movement on longines is 3 secs and seiko 7 lol but rated it 8 vs 7. Subjectivity says you’re a seiko fan boy. Longines movement should 9 and seiko 5
This comparison is a joke...
It's clear that you didn't spend any time to actually hear what he said afterwards before writing down your thoughts if that's what you gathered from that section ...smh
Longines all the way… Seiko’s these days are pretending
I’m sensing Seiko bias here. In the other video you mention the Hydroconquest doesn’t stand out compared to your other divers, and you put the King Turtle on there, which is inferior in every way both mechanically and in appearance. Anyone who’s seen the brown or green HC GMT would laugh at this claim.
You made a point in another video that you wear your Seiko far more than your Tudors 😏
And now here you claim the Seiko, using the 6R movement it uses in far cheaper watches, inferior bracelet, uglier design, uglier dial is better. This Seiko is basically built similarly to its cheaper divers. The Longines movement is far superior. Longines QC is better too. The Longines is also a traveler GMT, the Seiko isn’t. The only category the Seiko wins on is irs cheaper. It’s not even great value considering the movements are same they use in their sub-500 watches.
I also notice links to Seiko watches you get as commission but nothing from Longines, which seems to explain a lot.
Not impressed with the bias here
Longine 3300 euros …seiko 1700 …. Rapport qualité prix , Seiko gagne haut la main .
Agreed. The bias here is so blatant. The Hydroconquest is demonstrably better in every way.
@@edwinjack Cheaper doesn’t mean better value 😂
Seiko use the same movement in their much cheaper watches. The Longines is far, far superior which is why it’s more expensive. This dude is trying to say the Seiko is overall better 😂
@@frankdirscherl2345 Exactly. I’ve held both in hand and they are light years apart. It’s why you won’t get any other channel putting these two two head to head. What next? Citizen Eco Drive vs Oris Aquis Cal 400? 😂
@@CuriusOdus11 agreed, well said.
What a dud score! The Seiko doesn't even come close to the Hydroconquest, stop the insanity!!
I don’t get your issue with a flyer gmt , changing the date is super easy , in every aspect flyer gmt make much more sens. It s like complaining having a to big engine on a car because there are speed limitations.
For design seiko for acurscy longines
Great comparison. Keep up the great vids!