ROLEX VS OMEGA - SUB VS SEAMASTER - This or That!
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
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If I don't offend you in this video, don't worry I'll try harder next time! Isn't it rather ridiculous that grown men and women can get so tribal and salty over opinions on WATCHES? These are luxury pieces of art and jewelry that tell us the time. But for some reason they can elicit some intense emotions and opinions. This is enhanced by the fact both sit in the luxury price segment, and money messes with some people's minds. In this video I provide an owners-perspective of BOTH watches. I do love and enjoy each in their own right. I find merit in owning both at the same time. But yes, objectively the Submariner is a small step above the Seamaster, and there is nothing wrong in stating so. That does not take away from the Omega. It does the opposite. It helps illustrate the value present in the excellent offering from the SWATCH Group. So before you dismissively pass me off as a biased tool (I probably am)..... sit back, watch, enjoy, get triggered, write a comment, etc. Life is too short to take ourselves, or this hobby too seriously :)
Thanks guys! - Zábava
It's like discussing Mercedes (Rolex) and BMW (Omega). Lexus is the Grand Seiko. Buy what you like and enjoy life!
amen! so few people in your circle will give 2 shits about the watch you're wearing. my friend regularly talks about his kenneth cole watch and how cool it is while im wearing a bb58 no once cares but you. buy with your heart!
Tho Mercedes and BMW are not well built and unreliable pieces of shit. Rolex, Omega and Grand Seiko aren't 😂 I get what you're saying though
Not quite the same as I’m comparing my Planet Ocean with my Sub. Personally, I think the Omega comes out on top.
Rolex however no longer exists for me though. As I can’t find an AD that deems me”worthy” of retail, they can seriously keep them. This is not just sour grapes either. When the same watch can differ in price so much purely because of its colour, I really don’t wish to be part of the same club. Snobbish maybe, but every “kid doing well” has a bloody Rolex. From builder to Bar Mitzvah boy. I for one will not fall for the hype. I think IWC is calling me loud and clear
I think it’s more an issue w dealers than the brand itself. Having said that, as much as I respect the Rolex product, I find their designs stale and on the gaudy side. And I like ornamentation, an open dial; etc, but there’s something about trying to be “toolish” and luxury at the same time that just doesn’t appeal to my aesthetic sensibilities. Not too crazy about this seamaster either, but like the seamaster vintage 300. My favorite diver is the unloved aquatimer w a blue dial or the JLC Polaris mariner memovox (cheaper than a hulk). I guess deep down I’m just turned off by Rolex’s ubiquity.
@Riki P. it’s no coincidence that if you ask someone who understands absolutely nothing about “ luxury” watches, the first name they come up with is Rolex. Ask an aficionado of watches, Rolex will be half way down their list.
Apart from being treated with contempt by an AD aka, shop assistant, when fools started paying a premium because of a COLOUR, that was my time to close the door on Rolex
I feel the same as you guys. I just sold my only Rolex in the collection (gray/rhodium OP). I was trying to get an explorer at an AD for the longest time and I think it's ridiculous how Rolex are treating not only new potential buyers but existing owners. Currently Zenith, IWC, Moser, JLC, and Omega have my curiosity piqued.
What on earth is artificial about the shortage?..it’s a simple matter of supply and demand. There’s no reason why Rolex should have to expand production to meet demand.
It’s not that long ago that you could walk into a dealer and walk out with a Sub.
If there are rude, staff at AD’s that’s inexcusable and unacceptable but there are also plenty of people who are just unhappy that they can’t have immediate gratification, and have to blame someone and vent their frustration on someone..
@@markpass4215 simple matter of demand and supply forces, yes. But the way the small supply is distributed is not so simple, is it. Unhappy about not receiving immediate retail gratification is different to being unhappy and frustrated about being humoured by being put on an imaginary customer waiting list😡
One perk of wearing an Omega over a Rolex: no one is going to look at your wrist and immediately assume you're a douchebag. I love many of the Rolex models, but there certainly is a stigma to the brand.
Stigma:a mark of disgrace associated with a particular circumstance, quality, or person
You cannot get a steel sports at an AD anywhere in the world and you pay double on the grey market. Sounds to me the opposite of a stigma.
@@davidr2802 Thanks, Merriam-Webster. I'd say being perceived as a materialistic prick flaunting his wealth would absolutely fall within that definition. Again, I have nothing against Rolex watches or the people who wear them, but you're lying to yourself if you don't think Rolex's often attract the wrong kind of attention.
Good thing you’re not wearing watches based on what someone else’s opinion will be of you or your watch.
@@_MAKB is that entirely true, though? I know that's something we like to tell ourselves to feel special; like we're these bold unique individuals, unaffected by outside influence. But if we were, we probably wouldn't be watching a video about two mass produced, overpriced luxury watch brands that spend millions of dollars a year on marketing, now would we?
Yeah I’m yet to meet a Rolex wearer who isn’t a bit of a tit. Most of The ones that post on CZcams comments sections also seem to fit the bill too 😂👍
I bought a PO since I like that design over the SMP, also slightly better mvnt. Mine is normally within +1 s/d. I think the sub is a great watch, but why I prefer Omega is:
Domed crystal with AR
No cyclops
transparent case back
Price
Availability
The 8800 is a better movement than the 8900. The 8900 is just a METAS 8500G. While the 8800 is all new!
Maybe the 8800 has a newer design, but I have never heard it is a better movement, smaller though so it fits in the SMP, while the flagship diver PO has the 8900 with twin barrels and a longer power reserve.
@@stefanpersson240 it's a bigger movement so it is used on the bigger models. The smaller PO uses the 8800. Regardless, the 8900 is not a better movement than the 8800.
@@Kaiju007 It’s rediculous to think that Omega is using a bigger but worse movement just because the case is bigger. I don’t think neither of us has any proof of which movement is better but the reason of two barrels is to get a more even tourqe release.
My SMP 300 runs +5 secs/day, my Rolex runs +5 secs/week. Rolex is a better watch. End of story.
I really really love the compact look of the sub. It's thin; it's less bulky. The bracelet is damn too good
But the Seamaster has been improved a lot over the years. I love the waves on the ceramic dial, the skeleton hands, the indices, the movement.
However, if I have to pick one, I'd go for the Omega
Hulk may be slightly thinner, but I doubt it is less bulky considering the "supercase."
I have had the good fortune to have owned both; different models of both too. I agree with you Bruce, the Submariner is a better watch for the reasons you list. That said, Rolex and their ADs have made it a negative experience, so reward Omega and buy a Seamaster Professional - I doubt you’ll regret it.
I've never seen such a horribly offensive and biased review! (HAAAA!) Great Job! Anyway, as of this writing, I'm waiting on my first Planet Ocean. Rolex? Forget it. Not worth the price IMHO and the snobbery around them (not necessarily from an owner's perspective but more from the marketing perspective angle) is a turn off. Would I like one? Hell yeah, but there's a threshold that has been crossed here for me. I look at it like I looked at Harley's a bit more than 20 years ago, when folks were waiting 14+ months for that Heritage Softail they wanted and paid a premium for it. Not worth the wait and not worth the price when there are other alternatives out there that from a functionality perspective, are just as good. Just my $.02.
Well articulated. I dont think i want to be treated like some plebe when i want to buy a watch.
Great review Bruce. I found myself wanting a black Submariner no-date. I almost picked up a 2021 pre-owned. Instead, for the same price I picked up three 2021 AD purchased Omega's (pre-owned, mint). The white Seamaster, the green Aqua Terra, and the hesalite Speedmaster (previous generation). SOOO Happy I went in that direction.
Awesome pick ups!! Which one do you wear the most? :) I just have the black SMP 300M which has been great so far!
Hahaha 🤣 actually this was a funny read. You put it all into perspective!
@@Tennisfiles Thanks, tough call. They are about equal to me with the Speedmaster as my favorite by just a bit.
You bought an all you need watch collection in one buy. These three watches will never let you down. And every day you can choose between three perfect watches! Great choice !
Option for someone who has 10K to spend. Forget the Submariner altogether, get a Seamaster 300M and the Tudor BB58. Then go to Vegas and enjoy the $1500 you STILL haven't spent.
Lol, I'm buying neither. I'm getting a grand seiko white birch the second I can.
It’s a beautiful watch
Same here. Fantastic watch. Should Rolex do a watch anywhere near to white birch, the waiting list would be 150 years long 😂
I think the white birch is one the first wait list GS
The only thing wrong with that white seamaster is the awful bracelet. Stick it on the black rubber strap and it is pretty much perfect.
If I ever buy the white one, I would only get it on the rubber.
I actually really like the bracelet and find it comfortable. On the fly adjustments is a great improvement too. I do prefer a taper but have gotten used to it.
@@Tennisfiles I have the blue Seamaster and I love the bracelet for the reasons you stated. If I ever got the white one to go along with the blue, I'd get it on the black strap. It's a great strap and goes better aesthetically with the white dial.
I don’t see point of comparing them at this moment.
Sub is at least 3 times the price (black)of Seamaster if you take into consideration 20% discount for Omega and buying Sub in gray market.
Unless you make tons of money or love the Sub alone I see no point on choosing it right now,. Just get the Omega and saved money spend on GMT2 for example or for Patek or anything.
Omega dont give 20% on SMP anymore, 11% if you are lucky. Only a douchebag would pay grey market price for a Sub 😂
I like the seamaster on the rubber strap. I find the sub’s boring.
Imaginary waiting list, can't even go into a rolflex boutique without waiting in an Imaginary waiting line (here in korea), every wonnabe rich guy either flexes an imitation rolly or a homage, a lot of other brands that sell divers look exactly like the sub! Whereas, the SMP is a watch that not too many know about other than the watch enthusiasts'. Wearing an SMP, I feel more exclusive and original!
Great video. Nice that you can give us your honest view on both of them. Much more valuable than most comparisons on CZcams.
Could do without that dubstep outro though, if I'm being honest
I own both, a Submariner Date 126610LN and a Seamaster Pro 300m in blue. They are both excellent watches. You can't go wrong with either one.
No offense taken. Both great watches. I absolutely love my blue dial SMP. It goes with me running, to the gym, everywhere. That being said, I'm still excited for when (and if, LOLOL) my SD43 ever comes in. However, this isn't quite an apples to apples comparison. Your Hulk is a unique Sub, I think a better comparison would be the black dial Sub to the black dial SMP. Just my opinion. Great video. You and Oisin are the two best watch CZcamsrs out there,
You’re not a “tool” brotha. I love your content. And I love your take on these pieces. Keep it up
They're both great watches, anyone would be very fortunate to have either and you are twice as lucky to have both. Personally, when it comes to a luxury purchase you should never settle. Get what you like and love what you have.
For me I just don’t think the sub is worth the premium and the fact that if you actually want one you are spending an even bigger grey market premium. And I just think the Air King is one of the best daily watches and it’s not as much as the sub and not as common. But the seamaster will be my pick I think omega are on par with Rolex at the moment. Anyway great review Bruce.
Haha. Love the bingo reference. Really enjoyed this one thanks.
Rolex: The Beanie Baby of higher end watches. Omega, Grand Seiko, Breitling, etc. as good or better mechanically and in modern and heritage designs. And you can get them. No offense, Bruce, but you're only a Rolex snob because you have one. (Hope I didn't offend you . . . ) PS -- I do enjoy the heck out of your videos. Keep 'em coming.
Breitling movements are utter dog shit compared to Rolex
I have also owned both. I now own only the Omega. If I could get a new Rolex two tone blue dial cereramic, I would probably get it, but I don’t see ever flipping my SMP!
That rollie would be nice but not gonna happen, at least not availabe; would go straight to the grey market as now.
Do you think Tudor compares to Omega or nah?
@@steelsteez6118 nah. Omega is better quality
Wanted a Seamaster 300M for 25 years, finally got it last part of last year. Never wanted a Sub. Got offered a no-date Sub from an AD a few months ago. I politely turned it down because I had never showed interest in it and never asked him for it. He was shocked I turned it down. I only have a set amount of money I'm willing to spend on my overall collection. I won't buy a watch I don't want.
Yea I disagree.
Sub has no display case back.
A flat crystal.
Long lug to lug.
A generally dated look.
And no AR coating.
47mm lug to lug, I didn’t know that was considered long!
What you call a dated look, I call a timeless design that has stood the test of time throughout several generations. There is a reason why the sub design is the default divewatch design that has been copied countless times over and over again
I think the sub is one of the most classic looking watches throughout history, almost timeless. The total opposite of dated…… in 30 years today’s sub will look similar, god knows that the Seamaster will look like. But that’s the very definition of dated.
Ehh I dunno,, Mercedes hands, flat crystal, cyclops, I just disagree…
Dated look don’t see that , classically beautiful . Own both and feel there’s no question the sub is a much better piece, it’s just a step up . Given the price difference it should be to.
Great video and thanks for the content. As far as your take, I've owned over 100 watches - many Rolex & Omega - including multiple of the models in your comparison, and I couldn't agree with your take more. Cheers
Nice one Bruce, we all have opinions from our experiences from owning watches so many thanks for sharing your views with us. I can't comment on the Hulk but I can compare the 41 no date sub with the great white. The Sub is slightly more comfortable to wear and that bezel action is sublime. For readability and for me anyway the general finish there is little between the two. Availability will of course affect the price if you go gray market so as you allude to we can't compare retail prices if one of them is unobtainable to the general public. My experience with accuracy is about on par but I prefer my Omegas as they don't loose time but gain 1 - 2 seconds per day. The Sub looses ~2 seconds on the wrist per day but more in the winder box. I'm also more likely to wear the Omega on more occasions as it's not as recognizable.For what it's worth the 41mm Sub no date has AR coating on the underside. Both are great watches.
Great video and I love both brands and I feel your video is spot on
Great video Bruce , Your opinion are quite valid largely because you own both watches and you are sharing your candid opinion about how you feel . I own both watches as well except my omega dial is blue . Love them both but I just the sub a bit more .
Fun video Bruce. Loved it. The closing music was painful to listen to though.
I think Rolex is not antimagnetic enough to pass METAS. Other than that the video was very objective and true
If Tudor BB ceramic passed METAS, do you not think Rolex can make a watch that would pass METAS with flying colours?
@@omarion07 of course, almost any major company can make a METAS certified watch. The current submariner is just not that antimagnetic for METAS
Omega use silicon balance spring and balance wheel, Rolex does not to my knowledge. Though I am sure Rolex must have at least ISO 6425 antimagnetic rating, it’s not going to withstand 15K gauss like the Seamaster
@@aemiliusaugustus7814 Rolex does use a silicone hair spring called Syloxi hairspring in calibre 2236 which can be found in ladies Date Just. I think all watch internals should be amagnetic to reach 15000 gauss antimagnetism.
@@watchroll3310 Rolex has been using "Superlative Chronometer" on their watches since 1957. I don't think they'll ever switch to METAS. Tudor on the other hand has more flexibility to use METAS.
Good video with valid points. P.S. I thought you bought Random Robs SMP
Great content Bruce. Where did you get the timegrapher? You should do one video on tools for collectors: water pressure testing equipment, timegrapher, demagnetizing tools, and other tools. Cheers.
I have a collection of Subs, and have no Seasmasters, I’ve toyed with the idea, but never bought one. The greatest factor for me when it comes to the Seamaster Diver 300, is there is a colour and strap combo for everyone. When I eventually do buy one, I’ll buy the blue dial, on a rubber strap.
Great comparison, Bruce. You've done one before, viewers who liked this vid should maybe check that one out as well. The black dial SMP calls to me, right or wrong I would go for that.
i now have, in 2021, both a Sub date and the Omega Seamaster 300M Black dial. I have been wanting a Rolex Submariner for 30 years and finally pulled the trigger. I am not disappointed, but I think I built up the Sub to a much higher expectation than it deserves. Now having owned the Omega for 6 months and the Sub for about 6 weeks, I feel like they both are very different watches yet designed for the same thing. I have always liked the sub and the fact that it has stayed true to its original design. It is smaller, lighter, and thinner than I expected. I was expecting to put on a tank watch and honestly it feels a bit dainty compared to the solid feel of the Omega Seamaster. I will say, I love the sub with the oyster bracelet. That makes the watch. I purchased the SMP on a bracelet and then bought the rubber strap. The SMP bracelet is very sturdy, but a bit outdated for me. Much like the jubilee bracelet. In fact, if the sub came with a jubilee, I would not have liked it. It would takeaway from the tool/masculine sport look. The sub on a rubber strap looks ridiculous with the block case. The SMP on the rubber strap looks and feels incredible. A truly cool tool/masculine dress up or down sport watch. Bottom line, I have always wanted both and now I have both. I will say if I could do it all over again, I would just purchase the SMP and I would be happy for the next 20 years. The problem is I have the bug of watch collecting and now have the resources to enjoy it. The good thing is, you don't lose money on a Rolex. I never plan on selling my SMP, but may move on my Sub to try the Rolex Explorer II 2021 version and the GMT Batman someday. . Pound for pound the SMP holds its' own and has a lot more technology and features. AR coating is a big difference. It makes the wave dial look awesome and very visible. The non-cyclops date at the bottom almost unnoticed allows for better symmetry. The accuracy on both of my watches is +1 seconds so that is the same. The co-axial has a much longer service length and it is only $500 to service an Omega vs $1100 for a Rolex after 5-7 years. I love all of these comparisons, but I will say I get many more compliments on my Omega. True watch enthusiasts seem to know Omega while everyone else wonders if your Rolex is real. The Rolex mainstream branding is a blessing and a curse. I love them both and thankful I get to enjoy both. Thanks for the review.
Having owned both, I won’t disagree with a lot of your points. However The Rolex only seems 1 notch better because it’s so exclusive. But it all counts. However I will disagree about the Tudor comparison, they definitely look and feel lower level than omega to me. I’ve owned two bbs and a bb gmt.
I think that was a good, balanced review to be honest.
For me, the value proposition of the Omega is hard to ignore. In other hobbies/industries, even initially comparing a $4k item to a $20k item would be absurd, and you'd frankly be seen as a mug for buying the $20k item when the $4k item gives you 90%+ of the experience.
It's interesting that the 'Rolex factor' makes the comparison somehow acceptable when it comes to watches, to the extent that the $20k watch is probably seen as the sensible purchase to many. The Rolex name just counts for so much.
Well done, Bruce!
I had the same debate with myself recently and went with the SMP white dial. The Rolex sub is a classic but the SMP is a more interesting dial and I prefer the bigger size for wrist presence. I genuinely think the SD43 is the diver to have from Rolex. The Sub is just too small and plain. Even at retail its a hard push for me to justify the price.
To clarify, I do like the sub, I just find it overrated and overhyped but each to their own!
totally agree, Sub just looks tad too small on y wrist, so I bought white SMP. I also like divers with decent wrist presence, hence have a PO. When comparing value proposition PO vs Seadweller, it's hard to beat PO
@@Mint-cb2vc SMP's design isn't aging well again... its looking very much like a product stuck in the 90s...
Great honest video mate, I think they are both beautiful watch, having owned both. I honestly prefer the seamaster, it’s a fantastic watch and it looks more up to date, maybe I’m just a bit fed up with the same old looks of the sub , also I believe the seamaster is superior technically, although I’m not an expert. Love the fact that the dial will look the same in 50 years, the Rolex will show signs of age maybe 🤔. Rolex is classic yes but for me just a bit dated. Still love them both though 👍🏻😊
Great review. How do you decide which one to wear since you have both? It’s such a tough choice! Do you find yourself wearing one more than the other? Also Omega looks awesome on that strap.
Price & availability is Omega’s biggest plus point by far. In your example of having $10k to spend, you’re realistically looking at a Submariner vs a Seamaster AND a Speedmaster!
Exactly- this was my thoughts 💭
Not anymore. Omega changed their dealer margins. Discounts will be smaller and further inbetween. I wonder if or how long it takes for the omega fanboys to complain and say Omega be playin games like Rolex
You don’t really get a big discount from Omega dealers. May be 5-10% at best.
I do enjoy these kind of verses reviews. Not quite the same, but I had an Omega moonwatch, that I really loved, but after a while I sold it and got from my AD a Rolex Explorer, the last of the 39mm. Now I really love the Explorer, its just so simple and classy, but I wish I had not let the Moonwatch go. Moral of the story, have a mixed collection of brands, and you can fulfill all you desires. Another good vid Bruce
I own a rolex batman and a seamaster planet ocean and both are great. I wouldn’t want to give up either. I think the Omega is more technically interesting because of METAS and also the see through case back. I love the helium escape valve on the omega too. But there’s nothing more accurate than a Rolex besides quartz it’s unbelievable. Mine is +.1/.2 s/d it’s unreal.
Bruce, great video....I own the 126610lv and the SMP white dial. And i have to agree, the sub is so comfy it get lost on the wrist. The Seamaster is a great watch also but never feels lost on the wrist. That being said you can not go wrong.
Bruce, Im having a situation with my Omega smp
300 diver, it is running +9 secs a day, I bought brand new. Do you think this 8800s have a time to "settle down"? And It will back to a METAS standards? Or I bought a lemon?
Highly appreciated Bruce.
Ignoring brand equity and price difference, I'd find myself wanting a christopher ward diver rather than the SM 300. It is just that bit less flashy, and comes with better sizing options. That's a side by side I'd like to see you do Bruce
MONTA!
Hi Bruce, good video. I did have a question though, can we see the omega on the timegrapher? The comparison seems a little biased since the same objective evidence is not presented for both watches when you discuss the accuracy.
I’m looking at my first true luxury watch purchase and appreciate the comparison as they are both models to consider.
Bruce you're the man. always enjoy your videos love that you DGAF about the trolls and are true to yourself. great photography and discussion for two watches i will probably never own haha
Speaking from a prospective customers POV I think both of the watches are awesome. I have stylistic differences with both of em tbh - one for the bingo Bruce - I don't like the hour hand on the Sub or the skeleton hands on the SMP lol. However the Helium escape valve and the bracelet of the SMP are bigger issues for me. Omega has the space to make a 40/42mm 200m luxury diver with a bracelet that tapers more (I'd hope for about 4mm). Rolex doesn't have that flexibility and, at least for me, it shows - the sub may be timeless but it's also not modern. Regardless of these points I'd still enjoy the hell out of either of them and hope to do so one day. Folks getting salty over opinions do need to chill out some, at least you're speaking from first hand experience. Thanks for the video and sorry for my essay.
On the SMP 300 Omega is holding on to:
The odd helium release crown.
The unusual bracelet that 1/2 people dislike. (Everyone likes the oyster bracelet)
The skeleton hands.
And even the wave dial. Not everyone likes.
Things that the Planet Ocean gets right.
You are technically right but some people like more the SM look than the PO. I am one of those.
The orange is a turn-off for me.
That’s why I bought a PO, but others prefer the SMP.
@@stefanpersson240 the PO is an awesome watch and nice looking but some people like more the SM. Just different taste.
Omega All Day !
any day of the week
A slight taper bracelet, thinner clasp, shorter wart..... would give a more premium and elegant look to the omega
Hey Bruce do you still have the Air king in your collection?
“You’re biased! You have stupid hair” 🤣 🤣
You've actually swayed me a little towards Rolex, I'd not likely ever own one, but you've changed my opinion slightly. Never thought I'd say that but you're right. Yeah they're not big risk takers on the design front but they've tweaked the watch to where it's at. Also can't deny that Rolex know how to make their watches desirable. But I still like Omega too.
Great video BW! My AT41 with caliber 8900 is losing about 1/10th of a second per day so far. After 12 days it’s less than half a second slow…I’m not sure any Rolex could match that accuracy.
After finally owning a Seamaster for 2 weeks, I am in agreement with you. I find the wearability of the Omega to rival the Sub, but on a rubber strap.
I have both the seamaster and the submariner, and I have to say I prefer the seamaster. Although my most accurate automatic watch is my tissot seastar. Even as a budget watch, it is great to wear.
I prefer the Omega Seamaster 300 Heritage over the Professional due to the solid handset myself. Still, all 3 of them are great ( and out of my range😆).
That gold Sub dumps all over the other 2 though. It's like choosing between your wife and her sister while Adriana Lima walks past!
If I had 10 large to spend, I'd buy an 017 Marine Master 300 and put 8-thou in the bank.
I just purchased the Seamaster 300 in black dial. One of my favorite pieces. So much so I want to get the blue dial next.
Hi Bruce, I am fortunate to be an owner of both...a black Sub (2015 model) and a grey dialed SMP on a rubber strap....and as you rightly said....both are great watches, however for the price I paid for the sub(even in 2015) as compared to the SMP (2021) the SMP stands to be a much better value for money watch......I would want to continue to own both because I believe that SPM too would jump in its value a few years from now.....purely due to the unavailability of the Sub....and till then plan to enjoy both....Great Video though.
Spot on. Random Rob was your AD. Their are almost no discounts on the white dial. The great white tend be discontinued after 2 to 3 years. The reissued with model change. Sometimes the skip a model. Omega will discontinue when they issue white dial on vintage revival 300.
Great video. I will probably Go with the SMP as the Rolex will be way out of reach for me. That sounds like I am settling. I am not. I truly believe the SMO is a great looking watch (I'm going blue) and I see the value proposition greater with the Omega.
I like them both would take the SMP (gray dial version). That said, I’d take the SeaQ over either of them and the Fifty Fathoms over all.
Edit - scratched/dinged? What part? On the brushed surfaces that’s a piece of cake to get rid of. You get a plastic Brillo pad and rub in the direction of the metal grain. Doing this rids your scratches meanwhile exaggerates the brushed graining making it, in my opinion, look even better than it did coming from the factory. I like to do that to all of the brushed surfaces to add some nice looking texture. You can do that over and over again as scratches occur.
Do the new subs have AR coating on the underside of the crystal ?
Spot on Bruce. Omega needs to ditch the AR coating on the outside of the crystal and match or better the bezel action of the Sub. It can’t be that hard. I had the new Seamaster 300 heritage in my hands yesterday and it’s a much nicer watch with much nicer proportions than the SMP although it also has a poor bezel action. I used to own this seamaster reference and it’s nice but it needs lots of changes to make it great. Going back to 41mm and back to 12mm thick would be a good start. The bracelet needs lot’s of weight taken out of it too and possibly a taper would help. Omega is a great brand but they need to prioritise the fit on wrist more and the little details. The new Speedmaster is a step in the right direction although the bracelet taper is too aggressive and it should have a adjustable clasp. I wear a Black Bay 58 navy most of the time and it’s a more complete versatile watch than the Seamaster. Your hair is stupid too 😂
$10k? SMP and BB58 and change.
I love the wave pattern and the light variability of my Blue Omega, and the Tudor love how it looks old school, but isn't.
Both get wrist time and use Hamilton, Seiko and San Martin for beaters.
One to do it all would be the Tudor Pelagos though, if your wrist is big enough.
Great vid, The Planet Ocean seems like it would be a better comparison with the Sub
I truly think you nailed each point my friend. I love them both myself. I’ve got the black dial SMP and currently the Rolex AK but on the hunt for another Roles the SD43 (Sub on steroids) but trying to do AD pricing as it’s not worth gray market to me right now. But also keeping my eye out on a Hulk and yes that would be great market.
Thanks love this video.
I agree it was well balanced
Salty? I came here for a salty video. Not at all salty. You're a sweetheart, Bruce. You're to much of a nice guy, with a funny hair. Not critizing the hair, just your choice of how you choose to style it 😜 And you're right, I can not buy the Sub and I'm not waiting for it. Not settling for the Seamaster, I'm enjoying it. If I could get a Sub, I would have both of these watches in the collection.
I famously have a love/hate relationship with Rolex, and i agree completely with you on the Sub vs. Seamaster issue. The Rolex has a better presentation, but not enough to justify the price difference, IMO.
I'd love to know your opinion on the Globemaster vs. the Datejust.
End of the world, money doesn't matter, and I have to pick between these exact two. I'm grabbing the Omega.
If a new black or green bezel was in the mix though, I'm grabbing one of those two.
You mention that the Omega has sharp edges (a negative of course) but am wondering how the polishing and brushing of the case and the quality of the applied markers compare between the two watches? Is the Rolex still superior?
Nothing is "louder" than a ceramic Rolex. The Speedy is excellent and you won't get robbed for it, or get attention you don't want.
I agree with u Bruce. I own the current white dial seamaster and a 90's blue seamaster and blue planet ocean and own the no date sub and the blue two tone sub. I love them all but have to give the edge to the subs.
Great video Bruce and very balanced. I'm not triggered (though maybe my comment could trigger others?) but I don't like either of them. For Rolex, aside from the fact I won't queue up for a restaurant, I certainly won't for a watch, two things. 1. The cyclops is an ugly unnecessary wart on the crystal, the worst design idea in horological history. 2. It's a mass produced fashion watch a million plus per year, made by robots, it's Daniel Wellington, on steroids (as I read on a recent comment). I'm impressed though, that a brand name that sounds like a roll-on deodorant is so successful. 😉 For Omega, though a better design in my opinion the HEV is an old and unnecessary design that should have been incorporated into the case years ago. I spent €9,900 of my hard earned money on a Grand Seiko Spring Drive piece, individually hand crafted and the ‐/± 1 second per day of these two is not something to write home about in comparison to my watch, which registers 0 spd, every day, in every position. The number of GS SD watches produced every year is in the low 10's of thousands, not millions. As far as the type of watch, being honest there are far nicer, equally good quality and reliable dive watches out there than these two. Both are underwhelming and overpriced. People criticise fashion watches from DW, Tommy Hilfiger, Fossil, Armani etc but that's what these two are, fashion watches worn by celebrities in order to persuade the masses to spend their money on them. You never see a Hollywood celebrity or a rapper wearing an iced up Grand Seiko, and that's perfect for me!😁
😂😂😂 great "unbiased" video. The way you laughed and said no way not gonna happen about taking money into an AD and can't even get a sub was epically douchebag worthy. Hope that was done on purpose 😂. I wanted a Sub at the beginning of my journey, but now, give me a Glashütte Original SeaQ Panorama Date any day of the week, over these 2 watches. I'd take a Tudor Pelagos over the Sub. Now that's a tool watch IMHO.
All valid points but I think a more relevant comparison would be Submariner vs Seamaster 300, the heritage model
1:44. Nuff said. Video over.
So my father in law has two Rolex watches. He told me what he spent for his Sub new back in the early 90s. If you adjust for inflation he would have spent about $4600 on it today. And they are double MSRP! I get that there is demand and I LOVE the hulk and the ceramic Kermit(I saved up for years to get one but wound up getting married instead). But now I would get one
I went with a Tudor BB58, I am working with an AD for the No Date Sub.
I would take either. If both companies made the same watch then that might be interesting to compare. Of course, that can't happen. If I am flipping then Rolex. If I am keeping then either or both. Great watches. Great companies.
Aloha Bruce!
I also own both, except my Omega is white as yours, except I bought it new with the black rubber band only since I sincerely didn’t like the stainless steel one.
In my humble opinion, the co-axial movement of my Omega is better and keeps way better time than my Rolex.
The other thing is that He valve. It actually makes the difference between a Real Professional Divers watch an one that is not. The real Professional Rolex Divers is the Sea Dweller and Not the Submariner!
Good morning,the best your vídeo, congratulation,I am from Brasil 🇧🇷
Hey Bruce , along time follower of your channel. I wouldn’t say the Tudor and the omega are closer than omega to Rolex. It surprises me you think that. Having handled all three, I think the Tudor is definitely more plainly designed and has noticeably less finishing than the omega. They aren’t that close, although Tudor’s power reserve at 70 hr is great. I think the omega is truly a quality watch and the level of finishing is in the ballpark of the Rolex sub.
Great video - I'm all offended and stuff... Or maybe not. By the way, you did mention the hair, so you got a blackout on your bingo card! Get to marking, brother! This is such a Chevy vs. Ford dicsussion.
Well known, I love Zenith, but outside of my weird fascination with Zenith, I sort of pick watches by my lifestyle rather than by brand names. Not that I'm against Rolex, but I'm way more Eddie Bauer than I am Polo. I spent yesterday out off roading on Dome Plaetau in Moab wearing my Planet Ocean. The guy behind me was wearing a sub, but he was a surgeon, so hey, it's a total fit. Omega is just a little more rough and tumble to me and I'm not scared to wear them with my lifestyle. I pick Omega as the blue collar choice!
Well, nothing is blue collar anymore in this market...
There are a couple of Rolex references I really like, not the sub, though... That said, I waitlisted myself for one, but I'm kind of thinking I'd be happier with a Norqain. If I had the money for a Sub burning a hole in my pocket, I'd now have a Norqain Freedom in my box and I'd be over there pestering you to give up that Defy Classic! I'd have plenty of cash to make it work after the Norqain, too! And the AD can easily find a buyer for the Rolex, so it's a win win for everyone.
I have tried and will definitely buy a sub should the opportunity arise at retail but would never buy on the secondary market because its only worth the retail price imo.
Owned several Rolex models with the new and old movement and also the new 2021 speedy professional sapphire sandwich and a new sea master and they were not as accurate as any of my Rolex. Nothing bad like seiko or others but after all the junk I hear from omega fan boys they just didn’t impress me.
At 7.37, didn't you buy this from Random Rob who got it from an AD (rather than you buying it from the AD yourself)?
I'm the guy similar to who you described in your video, I'm on an AD list for a Sub, I have the money but I get the feeling that I won't get the call... I made a massive error by selling my 16610 Kermit without checking the availability of the newer model. Gutted
I had the seamaster and swapped it for the date sub, I love the sub but miss the white seamaster too. I think there’s room for both!
These are different enough to have both in the collection!
You suck at being offensive LOL but I could give you lessons. This is actually an incredible video. I am blown away how perfectly you articulate all the high points in comparing these two watches. I also tried really hard to find at least one point right to disagree with you but unfortunately I couldn’t. This is a terrific video!
Thank you Marc! Your opinion carries a lot of weight with me, so that means a lot :)
The Rolex is thinner, uses 904L steel which is softer but a bit more nicer feeling(maybe it’s just me) and better accuracy and so Rolex is better from these aspects. The Omega on the other hand is heavier and I’m not a fan of the helium escape valve. I personally own the SMP and I still like it despite these issues because I just love that white dial and it’s a treat to look at each time. Also the fact that I only paid $4300 for a brand new one at an AD also helped :P
Greatest outro music. Period
Great video, I'd ignore anyone that really got pissed off by it. That being said, yes they're both great watches, and (IMHO) I agree the Rolex is SLIGHTLY nicer. However, as a value proposition, I do not consider the slightly nicer Rolex worth the extra $5k, even factoring in retainment value. I think Omega is the better value, especially when you can easily find one in good condition second hand at 20% or more less than full retail price. Additionally, I consider a watch a tool, not a status symbol...so there's that...