"Xbox could fail me, Playstation could fail me... but a dude slamming Monster Energy while putting Touhou music in Mario 64 never in a million years." I felt that. Brodute is king.
I don’t agree with him on the PS5 best games bit. Final fantasy 7 Rebirth is the best game I’ve played of my life. Better than anything I played on ps1, 2, 3 and 4
“Banjo fans, we hear you.” Microsoft, I DON’T hear you. I don’t follow you around for breadcrumbs that don’t lead to anything. If you drop a whole ass game, I’ll hear you.
if they drop a whole ass game i would honestly ignore it at this point too, me personally ive not been excited for games since the outer worlds was a total bore, its sort of pushed me away from games in general, im not alone in it being when i do play games its kinda just my old shit i always used to play.
Good mentality honestly. Stop giving these snakes in the grass any attention and bust out the lawnmower. (The lawnmower in this case being the yard sale where i sell off mediocre halo games)
17:00 I always hear the Miyamoto quote "“A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad," but nobody ever gives this quote from Yamauchi!
No you don't get it. Just because you can patch a game, does not mean the damage gets undone. The first impression the consumer gets tends to stick. If you release a terrible game at launch, you might be able to improve the game, but will people care enough to give it a second chance? A rushed game is forever bad... In the minds of many.
To be honest, having no limitations in game design causes failures, glitches, and early access games to occur compared to 20/30 years prior. Thus, many of the games can be updated via the internet, this wasn't a possibility back in the 2000s and before. Also, a game that's falsely advertised is forever doomed from the get go. This is why game development should not be over 1 million dollars, let alone 1 billion plus dollars to make these games. I personally think they need to downgrade on game development and they'll be able to succeed with stuff that people would like to buy, with dialogue that doesn't sound like it came from a tumblr DEI/New World Order type of garbage.
IMO, we're firmly in the diminishing returns generation. Consoles are all powerful enough to run most available games if the ports are optimized properly, I don't think there's a current gen Crysis where you NEED the latest bestest hardware to get a complete experience with the game. For me ray tracing or other big dick graphical flexes just aren't worth the few hundred bucks I'd have to spend for a new console, I'd rather spend that money on a bunch of older games.
The obsession with graphics reminds me of that bad Ocarina of time remake that was advertised on CZcams as some big graphical overhaul despite the bloom and shadows being terrible.
@ThatGuy-ky2yf yup, it's not that games have gotten worse, but there's plenty of room for improvement outside of visuals. Like, good netcode for multiplayer or making open world games more varied and interactive. Or backwards compatability and emulation.
I've been saying this for years. The rush to get good graphics ended the day that you could identify humans as specific people. When I could actually tell the difference between LeBron James and his teammates, that is the end of the graphics rush for me. Yes obviously they have become a lot more, but it has become so bloated and so massive in size that the returns aren't worth the investment. Games cost way more to produce which means that the chance for failure is higher than ever so companies play it way too safe. It makes sense since you can't spend 100 million on a game that may or may not sell. I still find beauty in games made 25 years ago, and would be perfectly happy with stuff from the 360 era (games like Rage look incredible still) if that meant we could get better games overall. Give me something with a good story, a great netcode for multiplayer, or whatever.
Yeah, I also see Generation 9 as "The Corporate Generation". Everything's been ironed out from the previous generations that, corporations can only rely so much on their old IPs until their grand cruise ships start to slowly sink into the ocean until there's nothing left to profit off of and end up in some massive recession in the entire entertainment industry, not just the gaming industry. We could see an entertainment crash (the first of its kind, possibly) sometime between 2025 and 2030, but video games might be the first to crash and burn, with movies coming in a second place because they're just as bad as what video games have become as well. Also it has reach mainstream peak that it'll probably end up being niche int he coming generations. But again, I do think the only way they can sell stuff to gamers is if the console is also a computer that is backwards compatible with all video games consoles, arcade machines, and computer operating systems, including emulation....Which is why I do feel that video game consoles having a built in computer operating system would offset the cost of making a new console in the future....Otherwise, there's no point in buying a console when PC gaming laptops should be discounted at 75 percent of their price point to seel it more to gamers at a loss but gain a massive sales in terms of PC buyers and such, but that's just me. The same goes with mobile devices.
Nintendo was smart to get out of the rat race of "Who can push the most pixels". You don't need to be on the bleeding edge of graphics tech to create enjoyable games.
I think it's too early to categorize this generation. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the generation that initiates a video game crash where again Nintendo is the only survivor.
Yeah, again it's merely what I call "The Corporate Generation" being that the games are so bad, glitchy, messy, rushed, unpolished (much like how many games from the Atari 2600 in the early 1980s ended up with), and too much oversaturation of games might cause a recession or a second video game crash sometime between 2025 and 2030. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, PC, and Mobile gaming are the only survivors left, especially PC and Nintendo gaming.
Yeah, I can easily see Microsoft giving up on Xbox consoles entirely and focusing solely on game streaming. Sony could probably try something similar though they'd have a harder time. Nintendo will be fine as long as they remain focused on making quality exclusives.
Just check out the wikipedia category for PS5 exclusive games - 14 total. It feels like there's no reason to own a console besides a switch anymore. With the switch it still offers portability that gives you a reason to want it even if you have a PC that can play everything.
@@ORLY911 Again, if consoles in the near future had built in computer operating systems, especially windows Operating systems or linux operating systems...That's just my idea if consoles want to compete against computers/PC and mobile markets. It should also have integration with mobile devices as secondary controllers so you don't have to buy another controller to play on the same console as the one who got the controller included in the box.
@@SECONDQUESTwhy lie? Many are the knowledgeable PC gamers that also own consoles. And there was a time you didn’t understand what “changing the install directory” would do, either. Maybe drop the elitism and adopt a more welcoming attitude to newbies. It makes gaming so much more enjoyable. 🫠
I'm very interested to see what the next console generation looks like, because we've absolutely hit a breaking point with this one. Microsoft I suspect will almost certainly be bowing out to focus more on developing/publishing, and despite their relative success I get the impression that Sony wouldn't mind doing the same. Unless your entire business is built around the concept, as with Nintendo, the reality is that arbitrarily limiting the exposure of your enormous software IPs is kind of dumb, and just introduces development pressures in places where they aren't useful. What any of that would actually mean I have no clue, though I'm sure the idea of a nightmarish "unified MS/Sony game-streaming service that nobody asked for" is a twinkle in the eyes of at least a few executives on both sides.
"With better hardware come richer and more elaborate production values. However, I feared that the game play might come to rely on, and ride solely upon, the benefits of improved technology. The most important aspects of a game are the game system, the action, the sensory experience, the creativity, the production values, and the performances. With each generation the production values evolve, but in certain respects my involvement has been that of a guardian, to ensure that game play doesn't suffer." - Shigeru Miyamoto (from Hyrule Historia)
I admit, I own a PS5, but to be real with you? I mostly use it for my PS4 backlog, and to be frank, I have not had much more incentive to get a Series X. My brother also said he still feels satisfied with his own PS4. And as much as I liked Astro's Playroom, you CANNOT convince me that game couldn't have been done on PS4. If Snake Eater Delta proves us wrong, great, but the fact that a remastered port of the original is already on both PS4 and PS5 (and other systems), yeah, the remake would have to change things up. But if it's essentially the same, then yeah.
same. i only bought a ps5 so i could play bloodboorne and the last of us, and to play ps4 games at a better or more solid framerate, and maybe whatever ps5 enchaned bull. i dont hate it, i also wathc dvd movies from walmart on it, but i can also do that with a ps4.
Nintendo almost has the gaming business atmosphere to a tee, but their problems is the aggressive defense of their IP, forcibly closing fan events like with their smash bros tournaments, and not having a good way of acquiring their older titles. (each nintendo console has had such a grand fine wine selection of games with unique ideas that some of us today want to enjoy, but don't have the option because nintendo doesn't supply and its all super expensive online) Also a silly little game about orange hazmat people going to work on perilous moons and collecting scrap outselling triple A titles will never not be funny, kudos to zeekerss for creating such a memorable indie
New console gens are starting to more and more melt together with previous iterations. Meanwhile most new games are also released on PC with better graphics and performance, more options on how to stream, record and communicate etc. At this point anything non-Nintendo just feels like a budget PC for the living room. Would be interesting to see some real consoles again, with unique games.
13:28 It's even funnier if you read the full Statement saying they wont be announcing the announcement in their next Announcement-Nintendo-Direct-Thingy though.
Looking at just the Xbox and PS5 is a limiting way of trying to define this generation in my opinion, for me this generation is the indie generation, it's defined by PC, the switch and the steam deck, games made by small indie studios have been the ones making biggest waves then ever: among us, hades, lethal company, hollow knight... And the most comfortable way to play them is portable consoles and pc, heck one of the biggest games last year was baldurs gate 3, an entry in an old franchise that only very hardcore crpg fans knew about for decades, this is the generation that makes people give chances to new things they haven't played before thanks to streaming and social media instead of just playing call of duty warzone 18 or whatever
I was actually talking about this yesterday, so the timing is really funny to me. I had a Xbox Series S and sold it when I realized I mostly played my Switch. I got a free Xbox Series X for signing up for Verizon FIOS (it was a promo) right around the time everyone lost confidence in the Xbox earlier this year, so I sold it with the intention of getting a used PS5. Except then that Sony guy said the console's life was half over already. I firmly feel like AAA games haven't really changed all that much since the 360 & PS3. It's almost like we peaked then. The Xbox One X and PS4 have been amazing consoles that are still hanging on with indies and certain third parties and I just feel like we've hit a point where consoles are "good enough". I'm not playing games to have interactive real-time Hollywood movies. I'm playing games to chill, challenge or enjoy myself. Like Spider-Man on PS4 was good, but when you *really* get down to it was it all that different than what Spider-Man 2 did on the Gamecube/PS2? The primary exception to that, for me, has been Nintendo games like Breath of the Wild. The Switch may not be the most powerful console, especially when playing in handheld. But hey, the port of Red Dead Redemption is actually a pretty solid 30fps experience. Everything I'm hearing about the next Switch is that it should sit somewhere between Xbox One X/Xbox Series S/PS4 Pro -- when docked. I can't wait to see what Monolithsoft does with that level of performance. For third party and indies, you can't beat a gaming PC, even if PC ports aren't the most optimized. Like you my hardware's aging - I have a Ryzen 7 3700X with 32gb of RAM & a Radeon 5700X. But I can still play games like Cyberpunk 2077, Resident Evil Village, God of War, FF7 Remake just fine. Not to mention indies come to Steam first most of the time and still play great on older hardware. I really think my next "console" -- aside from a Switch 2 -- will either be a custom "Steam Machine" (remember those?) using a third party SteamOS distro, or a hell, a Steam Deck 2... whenever that releases. Xbox and Sony just don't have any traditional console exclusives left. They almost all come to PC eventually.
Yeah, I do think if they wish to compete against Nintendo and PC, they have to include the operating system into their consoles, as well as using already existing controllers from generations pass just to survive. But game development should not exceed 1 million dollars, let alone 50 million plus.....
What do you mean by spiderman for PS4 didn't really do much differently from spiderman 2 for PS2/Xbox when you get down to it? I really want to know what you meant. Spiderman 2 was my favorite game for PS2 and as much as I think ps4's Spiderman was good, I still feel pretty attached to Spider-Man 2 for PS2. I don't agree with people that say ps4's Spiderman is better or worse, I just think they're different. But what did you mean?
for me, the game that i'll finally eventually drop everything and save up for a PS5 for is Kingdom Hearts 4. as for right now, all the PS5 stuff i wanna play is also available on my PS4 with no severe compromises. been rocking Gran Turismo 7 on that thing and it literally looks and plays the exact same as it does on PS5 with the only differences being that replays have ray-tracing on PS5 (but the races don't, however), PS5 has GT Sophy, and load times are faster on PS5 (however that point becomes moot if you upgrade your PS4 to run on an SSD).
Gen 9, starting with switch seems to flatten the difference between portables and consoles, moving with the steam deck forwards. Relying on fast tech to enable gaming everywhere. it's why the PS5/XBSXS seem 'pointless': the 'new' tech is just power scaling that is not well utilized. the ps portal is kinda cool, but still needs a ps5 and the price of entry is ridiculous.
the steam deck is the only piece of technology that has actually excited me since I was a teenager, and even that's mostly because of the controller, it is just a PC under the hood
In general, I feel we’ve been somewhat overdue for another mini-crash. Major publishers have insisted on following paths of unsustainability, layoffs can only offset a series of flops for so long. Nintendo will be mostly unaffected because they spend pennies, make trillions, and keep their staff. Everyone else? No clue what the video game landscape will look like a decade from now.
Holy moly. Someone speaking facts. My xbox one and ps5 consoles only get use by playing old games. The whole mainstream had me thinking i was crazy for being dissapointed with modern gaming. Especially with the just released games like stellar blade. 30 hours and nothing but disappointment.
whats happening is the difference between PC and consoles has diminished. Nintendo figured it out by doing something unique from PC, whereas Xbox and PS went the opposite direction and became glorified gaming PCs. This is also seen by PC makers making Switch like consoles like steamdeck and others.
I only really have a PS5 because the PS4 games I own I played on my sister's PS4 and I moved away from her. I will say, 4K and HDR are nice, but it really is missing a game to call it's own. It's basically a PS4 Pro 2.
I've always thought Xbox and playstation tried pushing hardware too far, too soon. They were desperately pushing 4k with the PS4 pro and Xbox One X. The next gen consoles still struggle on that while they also try to be ultra realistic. And I think it's slowly biting them back.
"It's 2016, now is finally the year of 4K gaming with the PS4 Pro !" "It's 2020, now is finally the year of 4K gaming with the PS5 !" "It's 2024, now is finally the year of 4K gaming with the PS5 Pro !" Yeah, tell me about being too optimistic way too early.
For me this generation's definitive trait is the shift to console games on the go. Switch got the ball rolling and Steam Deck is continuing the trend. I have a PS5 and Series X but I opt to play on Steam Deck more often than those systems for the sheer convenience and how much cheaper PC versions of games typically sell for. It was sad however to see the end of dedicated Handhelds like the DS and Game Boy lines. The Switch Lite is probably the most pocketable modern system but with those flimsy joycons that thing goes in a case in my backpack. 3DS was far more pocketable with its clamshell design.
I remember last year, after a sorta okay showing in 2021 with (albeit disney licensed) exclusives, and not even showing up in 2022, Sony really gathered that their best course of action for their big summer event, when people were growing weary of their 1st party & 2024 output, was to show a ton of live service games with 0 gameplay and re-reveal spider-man 2... during one of THE worst years for LS anything. It really stung. It's clear the way gamedev is handled paired with rising costs & Covid simultaneously ruining workflow & giving execs a money bubble due to everyone staying inside has destroyed a lot of the things in the industry. It's like trying to wring water out of an ever drying washcloth. Doesn't help that now more than ever, this generation has executives stepping in to course correct projects, only greenlight the biggest bets no matter how broken etc. I now can't imagine Sony making another UGC game like LBP or MS fostering a new IP that they didn't buy their way into.
Yeah, it's why I call it "The Corporate Generation" or "The Covid Depression Generation"...So I don't have hope that Gen 10 won't be as great as they mentioned.
@@SuperFlashDriver Ironically, a friend of mine claimed PlayStation studios could do whatever projects they wanted in at attempt to DEFEND PlayStation. If anything, it actually made them look WORSE in my eyes, since if anything, it's making me question the whole "the creator should ALWAYS have control" mentality.
Each previous generation was defined by the obvious next step in technology. We've now hit a plateau, and any attempts at improving graphics costs too much for too little. I suspect that this is just the first step of the games industry's maturation. It's going to have to stabilise now, and I'd be interested to see if we could learn much by looking at the history of other entertainment industries.
We're in the same situation. My pc can polay all I want to play with a RX580 unironically, even if it starts to struggle sometimes....but still I cannot bring myself to upgradde or buy a console
Is it just me, or was this not also somewhat an issue (maybe to a lesser extent) in last years generation? 8th gen consoles also got a lot of valid criticisms, and i would hate to see people forgetting why. developing retroactive nostalgia for an era plagued with issues and audience disconnect. The roots of the dystophian gaming industry start with late 7th/8th gen practices.
I'm in the same spot. I see almost no reason to get a PS5, and while my PC is less dated, it's still midrange, but that's more than enough for most games I play. I mostly play indie games or emulators at this point, and the handful of games I play by bigger publishers don't usually push hardware very much. I'll upgrade at some point, but I think I can get a good few more years or maybe even more out of what I already have.
I LOVE my PS5, but I'm not gonna sit here thinking it's not just a glorified ps4pro. So far the only time I've really been blown away is the fast travel mechanic in Spiderman 2 and the beginning of the game where it's zipping you throughout the map is just Insomniac flexing the ssd. But other than that it's a beefy ps4pro, but I'm fine with that. I never upgraded to pro and had the base ps4 model, so it was definitely an upgrade. For the Series X: While it is the most powerful console of the generation, Microsoft's insistence on holding developers back because of the Series S, sorta makes the X feel like a PS3 2.0; most powerful, but barely utilized.
I sort of gave up on the AAA side of things a good while ago, all I need is a decent pc, a switch, and thats all I need, indie games and Nintendo games suffice enough
All Nintendo really Nintendo is Switch to be comparable to PS4/Xbox one systems in comparable specs just to have that backlog move on to their next system. So many current gen games still support old platforms for so long and many games can just be downgraded to run on a switch 2 if devs want.
I do wonder where the Switch 2 will go... being more powerful ( I assume ... ), Nintendo will be forced to run into more problems of the current gen...
To me high budget games from PS3 on feel the same. We barely moved. Even PS2 to PS3 shift was not that much in my opinion but from then on it's even worse.
IMO I still see the Switch as being part of the WiiU/PS4/Xbone generation. We've seen companies release new hardware in the same generation before. Also the Switch uses Nvidia's Shield hardware released in 2014. Which is a lot closer to the mainline consoles being released in 2013. No way Switch games are next gen. The majority of WiiU games were even rereleased on Switch and sold way better
The "normie" is the type of people who eat this anti-consumer corporate marketing bs up. The type of person who always believe newer==better; must buy because all I do after my 9-5 is watch tv, go out with the same people, or play modern games. Yet, I do not despise the normie, for when they do get behind something, big business follows. Still, they puzzle me at times.
i still think the switch games look better than ps5. even if they’re not realistic, they’re more stylized . i don’t think spider man 2 looks good at all.
I mostly play modern stuff on PC when I want to, other wise besides Nintendo controls, 6th gen is the newest I have except a xbox one my wife got for $20 to play dragon age lol
At some point technology is just gonna plateau I gues. It's hard to get impressed by shiny new graphics anymore. Though better performance and load times is always welcome.
The entire ninth generation has just been consoles and business practices trying to justify their own existence while gacha games around the corner are probably more profitable than all of them combined
I feel like this is the generation where PC finally became more relevant than Xbox and Sony. Nintendo and Valve are the two real winners this generation.
Nintendo re-releasing Wii U stuff on Switch is much more justifiable than Sony re-releasing PS4 stuff on PS5. first off, PS5 is already backcompat with PS4 games anyway, so why the re-release? secondly, the Switch re-releases don't just add some shallow "oh it looks better" shit, they actually offer you the ability to play those games that used to keep you confined to your couch, ON THE GO. still, fuck Nintendo for their anti-preservation bullshit
why u aming for a 4090...i today recieved my 4070 super.not all pc gamer has a gou that costs more than $1000 and 4k monitors.those guy are in the deep minority.
I have not bought a new game console since Xbox 360. Nintendo consoles seem semi-worth it, but Xbox and Playstation for the last 12 years have been trash. If you have a PC and a Nintendo, what is the point of these other consoles?
I agree, Nintendo games are the only ones that really put gameplay first. With Xbox and PS its just open world blockbuster after open world blockbuster which i am just so sick of.
The switch, and the ps5, have been the greediest I seen of the two, and the soulless I seen of nintendo, Sony upped the price of psn a service largely unchanged since ps3 and put a requirement to have a psn account on their pc releases, nintendo has made nothing, the switch, is nothing, it has no personality, it has no features, just games, and after 2020 the first parties became more rushed, I most experienced such with the animal crossing release and its following updates, and pokemon, and Zelda tears of the kingdom isn't running good and looks pretty bad, the hardware isn't there even when it came out, the online is paid and worse than the previous free nintendo network services, and the switch ui is the blandest featureless ui I've ever entered, why do people want underclocked 2015 mobile nvidia hardware? The games fell off in quality, the hardwarenis struggling to run a good bit of 3rd parties and now even some first parties, its time to go back to what the wii u and 3ds had or nintendo is plummeting into greed, and xbox?, is just clueless, they have good ips, but they don't use them, they just grab halo and keep running it into the ground, gamepass is okay though, and well, they got the most powerful console at the moment, to put my view of modern consoles and games right now, I played animal crossing new horizions for a year and quit (I pre-ordered it and stayed up all night to play it) and I played animal crossing new leaf so much its my most played 3ds game, nobody seems to be noticing games are in a downward spiral in quality and rising in price, just like everything else
Your objections seem to be mostly based in hardware and game development, so perhaps there's hope for you as those things change. I, however, find myself just disgusted with modern game design, and that's why I walked away. Spider Man on PS4 had a great combat system, but that is the only thing it has going for it, the web swinging is an embarrassment. Why don't they ever use the SM2 swing system that everyone agrees was the best? Why does your downward speed never translate into forward momentum? Why is it not a real physics engine, but a bullshit approximation of one? What do you do for most of your time in a Spidey game? Web swinging. Make that fun, and the rest can be less impressive but you'll still have a more fun game. And it is so slow. The entire game I kept thinking the speed would increase, but it remains pathetic with all upgrades because the world is so complex the system can't draw it fast enough to allow for the kind of motion SM2 did. So there's the problem, these attempts to realism and storytelling ruining gameplay and fun. RDR2 was chock full of choices I can't stand, I didn't play it for more than an hour before I quit. Star Wars Squadrons is another perfect example of why I hate modern game design. That is a flying SW ship game without an outside-the-cockpit viewpoint, which is criminal to me. The absolute waste of time and resources and money put in only to make the game unplayable to anyone with experience in the previous Rogue games. I know when I'd not wanted, when the things I valued aren't valued anymore, and I've hit my limit. You kids keep playing whatever garbage they want to sell you, but I'm done. I have plenty of better games to play from older generations, this one has nothing to offer me.
Hey, there is no free market. All tech is controlled. Video games were and are used for social engineering. Like all other media. That it. Look up social engineering, youll get it.
Buying a 500 dollar plastic box to play some exclusives isn't exactly a smart idea, it's supporting anti consumer behavior and consoles are better off not existing anymore they were fun for a time but no longer necessary
"Xbox could fail me, Playstation could fail me... but a dude slamming Monster Energy while putting Touhou music in Mario 64 never in a million years."
I felt that. Brodute is king.
I don’t agree with him on the PS5 best games bit. Final fantasy 7 Rebirth is the best game I’ve played of my life. Better than anything I played on ps1, 2, 3 and 4
“Banjo fans, we hear you.”
Microsoft, I DON’T hear you. I don’t follow you around for breadcrumbs that don’t lead to anything. If you drop a whole ass game, I’ll hear you.
if they drop a whole ass game i would honestly ignore it at this point too, me personally ive not been excited for games since the outer worlds was a total bore, its sort of pushed me away from games in general, im not alone in it being when i do play games its kinda just my old shit i always used to play.
Good mentality honestly. Stop giving these snakes in the grass any attention and bust out the lawnmower. (The lawnmower in this case being the yard sale where i sell off mediocre halo games)
17:00 I always hear the Miyamoto quote "“A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad," but nobody ever gives this quote from Yamauchi!
Well a rushed game isn't forever bad anymore now that you can update games.
They just remove the part of the quote that is no longer true
No you don't get it.
Just because you can patch a game, does not mean the damage gets undone.
The first impression the consumer gets tends to stick. If you release a terrible game at launch, you might be able to improve the game, but will people care enough to give it a second chance?
A rushed game is forever bad... In the minds of many.
Thats cuz Myamoto literally never said it
To be honest, having no limitations in game design causes failures, glitches, and early access games to occur compared to 20/30 years prior. Thus, many of the games can be updated via the internet, this wasn't a possibility back in the 2000s and before.
Also, a game that's falsely advertised is forever doomed from the get go. This is why game development should not be over 1 million dollars, let alone 1 billion plus dollars to make these games. I personally think they need to downgrade on game development and they'll be able to succeed with stuff that people would like to buy, with dialogue that doesn't sound like it came from a tumblr DEI/New World Order type of garbage.
IMO, we're firmly in the diminishing returns generation. Consoles are all powerful enough to run most available games if the ports are optimized properly, I don't think there's a current gen Crysis where you NEED the latest bestest hardware to get a complete experience with the game. For me ray tracing or other big dick graphical flexes just aren't worth the few hundred bucks I'd have to spend for a new console, I'd rather spend that money on a bunch of older games.
The obsession with graphics reminds me of that bad Ocarina of time remake that was advertised on CZcams as some big graphical overhaul despite the bloom and shadows being terrible.
@ThatGuy-ky2yf yup, it's not that games have gotten worse, but there's plenty of room for improvement outside of visuals. Like, good netcode for multiplayer or making open world games more varied and interactive. Or backwards compatability and emulation.
I've been saying this for years. The rush to get good graphics ended the day that you could identify humans as specific people. When I could actually tell the difference between LeBron James and his teammates, that is the end of the graphics rush for me. Yes obviously they have become a lot more, but it has become so bloated and so massive in size that the returns aren't worth the investment. Games cost way more to produce which means that the chance for failure is higher than ever so companies play it way too safe. It makes sense since you can't spend 100 million on a game that may or may not sell. I still find beauty in games made 25 years ago, and would be perfectly happy with stuff from the 360 era (games like Rage look incredible still) if that meant we could get better games overall. Give me something with a good story, a great netcode for multiplayer, or whatever.
Yeah, I also see Generation 9 as "The Corporate Generation". Everything's been ironed out from the previous generations that, corporations can only rely so much on their old IPs until their grand cruise ships start to slowly sink into the ocean until there's nothing left to profit off of and end up in some massive recession in the entire entertainment industry, not just the gaming industry. We could see an entertainment crash (the first of its kind, possibly) sometime between 2025 and 2030, but video games might be the first to crash and burn, with movies coming in a second place because they're just as bad as what video games have become as well. Also it has reach mainstream peak that it'll probably end up being niche int he coming generations. But again, I do think the only way they can sell stuff to gamers is if the console is also a computer that is backwards compatible with all video games consoles, arcade machines, and computer operating systems, including emulation....Which is why I do feel that video game consoles having a built in computer operating system would offset the cost of making a new console in the future....Otherwise, there's no point in buying a console when PC gaming laptops should be discounted at 75 percent of their price point to seel it more to gamers at a loss but gain a massive sales in terms of PC buyers and such, but that's just me. The same goes with mobile devices.
Nintendo was smart to get out of the rat race of "Who can push the most pixels". You don't need to be on the bleeding edge of graphics tech to create enjoyable games.
I think it's too early to categorize this generation. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the generation that initiates a video game crash where again Nintendo is the only survivor.
Yeah, again it's merely what I call "The Corporate Generation" being that the games are so bad, glitchy, messy, rushed, unpolished (much like how many games from the Atari 2600 in the early 1980s ended up with), and too much oversaturation of games might cause a recession or a second video game crash sometime between 2025 and 2030. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, PC, and Mobile gaming are the only survivors left, especially PC and Nintendo gaming.
If only. That would actually make this generation interesting.
@@Gestersmek Nintendo's been interesting. The other two have only gone from cod machines to battle royal machines.
Ooh, can I get a ROB this time? My dad sold his from his childhood the first time this happened.
Yeah, I can easily see Microsoft giving up on Xbox consoles entirely and focusing solely on game streaming. Sony could probably try something similar though they'd have a harder time. Nintendo will be fine as long as they remain focused on making quality exclusives.
Just check out the wikipedia category for PS5 exclusive games - 14 total.
It feels like there's no reason to own a console besides a switch anymore. With the switch it still offers portability that gives you a reason to want it even if you have a PC that can play everything.
Save up 200 more dollars and get a deck oled. Its a switch but with more games
Consoles are for people who suck with computers. My brother couldn't understand what "changing the install directory" would do.
some of these games already on PC or enhanced PS4/PS3 games. So realistically, its more like 8, and more will become available on PC soon anyway
@@ORLY911 Again, if consoles in the near future had built in computer operating systems, especially windows Operating systems or linux operating systems...That's just my idea if consoles want to compete against computers/PC and mobile markets. It should also have integration with mobile devices as secondary controllers so you don't have to buy another controller to play on the same console as the one who got the controller included in the box.
@@SECONDQUESTwhy lie? Many are the knowledgeable PC gamers that also own consoles. And there was a time you didn’t understand what “changing the install directory” would do, either. Maybe drop the elitism and adopt a more welcoming attitude to newbies. It makes gaming so much more enjoyable. 🫠
Thumbnail's a reference to Miyamoto's favorite Mario 64 easter egg "The Bowser Room"
Very well-put together video. Indies are the future, I tell ya
Given the complaints about AAA (and 'AAAA') everyone has right now, and how many great indies there already are, I'd say they're the present!
God I love indie games
You're very underrated man
I'm very interested to see what the next console generation looks like, because we've absolutely hit a breaking point with this one. Microsoft I suspect will almost certainly be bowing out to focus more on developing/publishing, and despite their relative success I get the impression that Sony wouldn't mind doing the same. Unless your entire business is built around the concept, as with Nintendo, the reality is that arbitrarily limiting the exposure of your enormous software IPs is kind of dumb, and just introduces development pressures in places where they aren't useful.
What any of that would actually mean I have no clue, though I'm sure the idea of a nightmarish "unified MS/Sony game-streaming service that nobody asked for" is a twinkle in the eyes of at least a few executives on both sides.
"With better hardware come richer and more elaborate production values. However, I feared that the game play might come to rely on, and ride solely upon, the benefits of improved technology. The most important aspects of a game are the game system, the action, the sensory experience, the creativity, the production values, and the performances. With each generation the production values evolve, but in certain respects my involvement has been that of a guardian, to ensure that game play doesn't suffer." - Shigeru Miyamoto (from Hyrule Historia)
I admit, I own a PS5, but to be real with you? I mostly use it for my PS4 backlog, and to be frank, I have not had much more incentive to get a Series X. My brother also said he still feels satisfied with his own PS4. And as much as I liked Astro's Playroom, you CANNOT convince me that game couldn't have been done on PS4. If Snake Eater Delta proves us wrong, great, but the fact that a remastered port of the original is already on both PS4 and PS5 (and other systems), yeah, the remake would have to change things up. But if it's essentially the same, then yeah.
same. i only bought a ps5 so i could play bloodboorne and the last of us, and to play ps4 games at a better or more solid framerate, and maybe whatever ps5 enchaned bull. i dont hate it, i also wathc dvd movies from walmart on it, but i can also do that with a ps4.
Nintendo almost has the gaming business atmosphere to a tee, but their problems is the aggressive defense of their IP, forcibly closing fan events like with their smash bros tournaments, and not having a good way of acquiring their older titles. (each nintendo console has had such a grand fine wine selection of games with unique ideas that some of us today want to enjoy, but don't have the option because nintendo doesn't supply and its all super expensive online)
Also a silly little game about orange hazmat people going to work on perilous moons and collecting scrap outselling triple A titles will never not be funny, kudos to zeekerss for creating such a memorable indie
Great Quality Video, Amazing Takes. This is a true gamer here
Bino u scared the shit out of me with that loud noise. Good video.
New console gens are starting to more and more melt together with previous iterations. Meanwhile most new games are also released on PC with better graphics and performance, more options on how to stream, record and communicate etc.
At this point anything non-Nintendo just feels like a budget PC for the living room.
Would be interesting to see some real consoles again, with unique games.
very thorough
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It's even funnier if you read the full Statement saying they wont be announcing the announcement in their next Announcement-Nintendo-Direct-Thingy though.
I do believe Dragonball Z tenkaichi sparking zero is going to push the PS5 sales a bit. That game is pretty hype
That game looks like ass. It is not better than all the other anime games out there (DBZ Kakarot, One Piece Odyssey, Nen Impact, etc.)
@@sunwukong5518People want their BT3 fix I guess.
Huh? A game available on other platforms boosting the sales of the PS5?
Looking at just the Xbox and PS5 is a limiting way of trying to define this generation in my opinion, for me this generation is the indie generation, it's defined by PC, the switch and the steam deck, games made by small indie studios have been the ones making biggest waves then ever: among us, hades, lethal company, hollow knight... And the most comfortable way to play them is portable consoles and pc, heck one of the biggest games last year was baldurs gate 3, an entry in an old franchise that only very hardcore crpg fans knew about for decades, this is the generation that makes people give chances to new things they haven't played before thanks to streaming and social media instead of just playing call of duty warzone 18 or whatever
Long Live The Pepperone , very good video man you are underrated
I was actually talking about this yesterday, so the timing is really funny to me. I had a Xbox Series S and sold it when I realized I mostly played my Switch. I got a free Xbox Series X for signing up for Verizon FIOS (it was a promo) right around the time everyone lost confidence in the Xbox earlier this year, so I sold it with the intention of getting a used PS5. Except then that Sony guy said the console's life was half over already.
I firmly feel like AAA games haven't really changed all that much since the 360 & PS3. It's almost like we peaked then. The Xbox One X and PS4 have been amazing consoles that are still hanging on with indies and certain third parties and I just feel like we've hit a point where consoles are "good enough". I'm not playing games to have interactive real-time Hollywood movies. I'm playing games to chill, challenge or enjoy myself. Like Spider-Man on PS4 was good, but when you *really* get down to it was it all that different than what Spider-Man 2 did on the Gamecube/PS2?
The primary exception to that, for me, has been Nintendo games like Breath of the Wild. The Switch may not be the most powerful console, especially when playing in handheld. But hey, the port of Red Dead Redemption is actually a pretty solid 30fps experience. Everything I'm hearing about the next Switch is that it should sit somewhere between Xbox One X/Xbox Series S/PS4 Pro -- when docked. I can't wait to see what Monolithsoft does with that level of performance.
For third party and indies, you can't beat a gaming PC, even if PC ports aren't the most optimized. Like you my hardware's aging - I have a Ryzen 7 3700X with 32gb of RAM & a Radeon 5700X. But I can still play games like Cyberpunk 2077, Resident Evil Village, God of War, FF7 Remake just fine. Not to mention indies come to Steam first most of the time and still play great on older hardware. I really think my next "console" -- aside from a Switch 2 -- will either be a custom "Steam Machine" (remember those?) using a third party SteamOS distro, or a hell, a Steam Deck 2... whenever that releases. Xbox and Sony just don't have any traditional console exclusives left. They almost all come to PC eventually.
Yeah, I do think if they wish to compete against Nintendo and PC, they have to include the operating system into their consoles, as well as using already existing controllers from generations pass just to survive. But game development should not exceed 1 million dollars, let alone 50 million plus.....
What do you mean by spiderman for PS4 didn't really do much differently from spiderman 2 for PS2/Xbox when you get down to it? I really want to know what you meant. Spiderman 2 was my favorite game for PS2 and as much as I think ps4's Spiderman was good, I still feel pretty attached to Spider-Man 2 for PS2. I don't agree with people that say ps4's Spiderman is better or worse, I just think they're different. But what did you mean?
Spider-Man on ps4 was very different from Spider-Man 2
for me, the game that i'll finally eventually drop everything and save up for a PS5 for is Kingdom Hearts 4.
as for right now, all the PS5 stuff i wanna play is also available on my PS4 with no severe compromises. been rocking Gran Turismo 7 on that thing and it literally looks and plays the exact same as it does on PS5 with the only differences being that replays have ray-tracing on PS5 (but the races don't, however), PS5 has GT Sophy, and load times are faster on PS5 (however that point becomes moot if you upgrade your PS4 to run on an SSD).
i also love UE5 games that run at 600p internally on next gen😭😭
Gen 9, starting with switch seems to flatten the difference between portables and consoles, moving with the steam deck forwards. Relying on fast tech to enable gaming everywhere. it's why the PS5/XBSXS seem 'pointless': the 'new' tech is just power scaling that is not well utilized. the ps portal is kinda cool, but still needs a ps5 and the price of entry is ridiculous.
the steam deck is the only piece of technology that has actually excited me since I was a teenager, and even that's mostly because of the controller, it is just a PC under the hood
just found your channel, very based
Great video 👍
In general, I feel we’ve been somewhat overdue for another mini-crash. Major publishers have insisted on following paths of unsustainability, layoffs can only offset a series of flops for so long.
Nintendo will be mostly unaffected because they spend pennies, make trillions, and keep their staff. Everyone else? No clue what the video game landscape will look like a decade from now.
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May I have a slice of pepperoni?
Holy moly. Someone speaking facts. My xbox one and ps5 consoles only get use by playing old games. The whole mainstream had me thinking i was crazy for being dissapointed with modern gaming. Especially with the just released games like stellar blade. 30 hours and nothing but disappointment.
whats happening is the difference between PC and consoles has diminished. Nintendo figured it out by doing something unique from PC, whereas Xbox and PS went the opposite direction and became glorified gaming PCs. This is also seen by PC makers making Switch like consoles like steamdeck and others.
I only really have a PS5 because the PS4 games I own I played on my sister's PS4 and I moved away from her.
I will say, 4K and HDR are nice, but it really is missing a game to call it's own. It's basically a PS4 Pro 2.
I just need my steam deck and I’m golden
Anyone know the music playing for the outro? It sounds so familiar but I can't name it.
I've always thought Xbox and playstation tried pushing hardware too far, too soon.
They were desperately pushing 4k with the PS4 pro and Xbox One X. The next gen consoles still struggle on that while they also try to be ultra realistic. And I think it's slowly biting them back.
"It's 2016, now is finally the year of 4K gaming with the PS4 Pro !"
"It's 2020, now is finally the year of 4K gaming with the PS5 !"
"It's 2024, now is finally the year of 4K gaming with the PS5 Pro !"
Yeah, tell me about being too optimistic way too early.
For me this generation's definitive trait is the shift to console games on the go. Switch got the ball rolling and Steam Deck is continuing the trend.
I have a PS5 and Series X but I opt to play on Steam Deck more often than those systems for the sheer convenience and how much cheaper PC versions of games typically sell for.
It was sad however to see the end of dedicated Handhelds like the DS and Game Boy lines. The Switch Lite is probably the most pocketable modern system but with those flimsy joycons that thing goes in a case in my backpack. 3DS was far more pocketable with its clamshell design.
I remember last year, after a sorta okay showing in 2021 with (albeit disney licensed) exclusives, and not even showing up in 2022, Sony really gathered that their best course of action for their big summer event, when people were growing weary of their 1st party & 2024 output, was to show a ton of live service games with 0 gameplay and re-reveal spider-man 2... during one of THE worst years for LS anything. It really stung. It's clear the way gamedev is handled paired with rising costs & Covid simultaneously ruining workflow & giving execs a money bubble due to everyone staying inside has destroyed a lot of the things in the industry. It's like trying to wring water out of an ever drying washcloth. Doesn't help that now more than ever, this generation has executives stepping in to course correct projects, only greenlight the biggest bets no matter how broken etc.
I now can't imagine Sony making another UGC game like LBP or MS fostering a new IP that they didn't buy their way into.
Yeah, it's why I call it "The Corporate Generation" or "The Covid Depression Generation"...So I don't have hope that Gen 10 won't be as great as they mentioned.
@@SuperFlashDriver Ironically, a friend of mine claimed PlayStation studios could do whatever projects they wanted in at attempt to DEFEND PlayStation. If anything, it actually made them look WORSE in my eyes, since if anything, it's making me question the whole "the creator should ALWAYS have control" mentality.
You’re awesome! ❤
Couldn’t have said it better
Each previous generation was defined by the obvious next step in technology. We've now hit a plateau, and any attempts at improving graphics costs too much for too little.
I suspect that this is just the first step of the games industry's maturation. It's going to have to stabilise now, and I'd be interested to see if we could learn much by looking at the history of other entertainment industries.
We're in the same situation. My pc can polay all I want to play with a RX580 unironically, even if it starts to struggle sometimes....but still I cannot bring myself to upgradde or buy a console
Is it just me, or was this not also somewhat an issue (maybe to a lesser extent) in last years generation? 8th gen consoles also got a lot of valid criticisms, and i would hate to see people forgetting why. developing retroactive nostalgia for an era plagued with issues and audience disconnect. The roots of the dystophian gaming industry start with late 7th/8th gen practices.
I'm in the same spot. I see almost no reason to get a PS5, and while my PC is less dated, it's still midrange, but that's more than enough for most games I play. I mostly play indie games or emulators at this point, and the handful of games I play by bigger publishers don't usually push hardware very much. I'll upgrade at some point, but I think I can get a good few more years or maybe even more out of what I already have.
I LOVE my PS5, but I'm not gonna sit here thinking it's not just a glorified ps4pro. So far the only time I've really been blown away is the fast travel mechanic in Spiderman 2 and the beginning of the game where it's zipping you throughout the map is just Insomniac flexing the ssd. But other than that it's a beefy ps4pro, but I'm fine with that. I never upgraded to pro and had the base ps4 model, so it was definitely an upgrade.
For the Series X: While it is the most powerful console of the generation, Microsoft's insistence on holding developers back because of the Series S, sorta makes the X feel like a PS3 2.0; most powerful, but barely utilized.
Maybe Nintendo will fix it...
Or make another Wii U mistake and finally kill this gen off
I sort of gave up on the AAA side of things a good while ago, all I need is a decent pc, a switch, and thats all I need, indie games and Nintendo games suffice enough
I wouldn't even mind if we just went back to the ps2 era graphics, we got 5 gta games on the ps2. Keep those graphics with just updated features.
All Nintendo really Nintendo is Switch to be comparable to PS4/Xbox one systems in comparable specs just to have that backlog move on to their next system. So many current gen games still support old platforms for so long and many games can just be downgraded to run on a switch 2 if devs want.
I do wonder where the Switch 2 will go... being more powerful ( I assume ... ), Nintendo will be forced to run into more problems of the current gen...
To me high budget games from PS3 on feel the same. We barely moved. Even PS2 to PS3 shift was not that much in my opinion but from then on it's even worse.
You spat straight facts for 19 minutes straight.
IMO I still see the Switch as being part of the WiiU/PS4/Xbone generation. We've seen companies release new hardware in the same generation before.
Also the Switch uses Nvidia's Shield hardware released in 2014. Which is a lot closer to the mainline consoles being released in 2013. No way Switch games are next gen. The majority of WiiU games were even rereleased on Switch and sold way better
I thought this would be a video about Gen Z hahaha
The "normie" is the type of people who eat this anti-consumer corporate marketing bs up. The type of person who always believe newer==better; must buy because all I do after my 9-5 is watch tv, go out with the same people, or play modern games. Yet, I do not despise the normie, for when they do get behind something, big business follows. Still, they puzzle me at times.
i still think the switch games look better than ps5. even if they’re not realistic, they’re more stylized . i don’t think spider man 2 looks good at all.
Good video you play so many video games bane
I mostly play modern stuff on PC when I want to, other wise besides Nintendo controls, 6th gen is the newest I have except a xbox one my wife got for $20 to play dragon age lol
I thought this video was going to be about gen Z 😂
and i guess gen alpha would be called the hopless generation.
At some point technology is just gonna plateau I gues. It's hard to get impressed by shiny new graphics anymore. Though better performance and load times is always welcome.
This generation has some good games but not many and I agree I dislike the tendency to remake the remaster
if a console has more teraflops, does that mean it will FLOP harder ?
Ps5 prices have gone down lol
The entire ninth generation has just been consoles and business practices trying to justify their own existence while gacha games around the corner are probably more profitable than all of them combined
best thing to do is to buy a steam deck and play games 10-30 years old
half life 2 mods will sustain us forever
9:27 That's bad bane hurts people with too loud and GO BUY SEGA DREAMCAST how about that
I feel like this is the generation where PC finally became more relevant than Xbox and Sony. Nintendo and Valve are the two real winners this generation.
Nintendo re-releasing Wii U stuff on Switch is much more justifiable than Sony re-releasing PS4 stuff on PS5. first off, PS5 is already backcompat with PS4 games anyway, so why the re-release? secondly, the Switch re-releases don't just add some shallow "oh it looks better" shit, they actually offer you the ability to play those games that used to keep you confined to your couch, ON THE GO.
still, fuck Nintendo for their anti-preservation bullshit
why u aming for a 4090...i today recieved my 4070 super.not all pc gamer has a gou that costs more than $1000 and 4k monitors.those guy are in the deep minority.
I have not bought a new game console since Xbox 360. Nintendo consoles seem semi-worth it, but Xbox and Playstation for the last 12 years have been trash. If you have a PC and a Nintendo, what is the point of these other consoles?
I agree, Nintendo games are the only ones that really put gameplay first. With Xbox and PS its just open world blockbuster after open world blockbuster which i am just so sick of.
PC + Nintendo means you get 99% of the good games
@@EnigmaticGentleman nothing wrong with open world but the way they do it is trash
GTA 6
@@seibetsu It'll be on PC and it will be a better version
PS5 is definitely the better console to have over XBOX
The switch, and the ps5, have been the greediest I seen of the two, and the soulless I seen of nintendo, Sony upped the price of psn a service largely unchanged since ps3 and put a requirement to have a psn account on their pc releases, nintendo has made nothing, the switch, is nothing, it has no personality, it has no features, just games, and after 2020 the first parties became more rushed, I most experienced such with the animal crossing release and its following updates, and pokemon, and Zelda tears of the kingdom isn't running good and looks pretty bad, the hardware isn't there even when it came out, the online is paid and worse than the previous free nintendo network services, and the switch ui is the blandest featureless ui I've ever entered, why do people want underclocked 2015 mobile nvidia hardware? The games fell off in quality, the hardwarenis struggling to run a good bit of 3rd parties and now even some first parties, its time to go back to what the wii u and 3ds had or nintendo is plummeting into greed, and xbox?, is just clueless, they have good ips, but they don't use them, they just grab halo and keep running it into the ground, gamepass is okay though, and well, they got the most powerful console at the moment, to put my view of modern consoles and games right now, I played animal crossing new horizions for a year and quit (I pre-ordered it and stayed up all night to play it) and I played animal crossing new leaf so much its my most played 3ds game, nobody seems to be noticing games are in a downward spiral in quality and rising in price, just like everything else
"The Inessential Generation" is how I would describe Gen Alpha.
Your objections seem to be mostly based in hardware and game development, so perhaps there's hope for you as those things change. I, however, find myself just disgusted with modern game design, and that's why I walked away. Spider Man on PS4 had a great combat system, but that is the only thing it has going for it, the web swinging is an embarrassment. Why don't they ever use the SM2 swing system that everyone agrees was the best? Why does your downward speed never translate into forward momentum? Why is it not a real physics engine, but a bullshit approximation of one?
What do you do for most of your time in a Spidey game? Web swinging. Make that fun, and the rest can be less impressive but you'll still have a more fun game. And it is so slow. The entire game I kept thinking the speed would increase, but it remains pathetic with all upgrades because the world is so complex the system can't draw it fast enough to allow for the kind of motion SM2 did. So there's the problem, these attempts to realism and storytelling ruining gameplay and fun. RDR2 was chock full of choices I can't stand, I didn't play it for more than an hour before I quit.
Star Wars Squadrons is another perfect example of why I hate modern game design. That is a flying SW ship game without an outside-the-cockpit viewpoint, which is criminal to me. The absolute waste of time and resources and money put in only to make the game unplayable to anyone with experience in the previous Rogue games. I know when I'd not wanted, when the things I valued aren't valued anymore, and I've hit my limit. You kids keep playing whatever garbage they want to sell you, but I'm done. I have plenty of better games to play from older generations, this one has nothing to offer me.
Nintendo good? hell no, Im tired of Mario and Zelda all over again.
Hey, there is no free market. All tech is controlled. Video games were and are used for social engineering. Like all other media. That it. Look up social engineering, youll get it.
Yes. Even indie games, there's no free marketplace to put a game with "radical" (by their standards) ideas.
Love how we aren’t talking about how wokeness is killing the game industry as well, despite it being a big part of why many games suck now: ideology
Lmao lemme guess. 7th
Buying a 500 dollar plastic box to play some exclusives isn't exactly a smart idea, it's supporting anti consumer behavior and consoles are better off not existing anymore they were fun for a time but no longer necessary