Forza vs. Assetto: Side by Side Comparison
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I took it upon myself to find out if Forza is worth picking up this holiday season. Check out some of my points and a side by side comparison with the sim king himself, Assetto Corsa.
I know this one may get some hate, but I play both of these games religiously and any feedback will be appreciated! I love them both for different reasons. Forza for the get in and go aspect and Assetto for the realism. They are not all that different though, I think with enough time Forza will be where it needs to be. Probably the end of 2024 if the devs don't let it die.
Thanks for watching!
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Nice Video man. Your Assetto looks really good compared to mine which mods are you using ? Do you use Pure ?
I do! Pure, sol,CSP. I can share you my settings!
forza limits how much you can turn depending how fast youre going, why? who knows i guess they think we want a game that plays itself?
I understand disabled assists, I advocate for it. I’ve never been one to use that auto drive feature, I’d rather play the game I bought 😂
I think it's a way to simulate understeer, perhaps they think a good chunk of players will play with a gamepad or that's the thing that makes the most sense to me
@@lefisheauchocolat968 remember when sim steering was for wheels and Norma was for controllers? Ah the good old days lol
Because you use a controller. With a Wheel this doesn't happen.
Like someone else said my best guess would be to simulator understeer.
Assetto corsa actually has an option to enhance understeer and I think assetto implemented it better because it was designed with a wheel in mind.
It pretty much shuts off the ffb when you get to a certain angle to let you know you can't turn any further without understeering.
I dont use it anymore but it was a nice feature for a cheaper wheel or i guesd maybe even a gamepad.
For Assetto Corsa there is a fix for everything lol, yes you can download the 3D Trees refresh for for Spa track for free, and the updated Layout of almost any year for any track (also for free), for example you have the layout of F1 2021, 2022, and 2023 for Spa.
Good to know! I’ll have to get digging for some of these!
bro this was the smoothest intro i have ever seen
Thanks Simon!
Which filter are you using on AC?
Great comparison, I put a lot expectations on FM, I'm very desapointed, just waiting for the next update to see if gets better..
Yeah I have a feeling FM will get a lot better! I’m using pure for my filter, I do use sky sometimes for cinematics
“Assetto corsa just looks better” I think that’s because you have mods installed. And also cars sounding better in assetto is usually because it’s a mod and the modder could take as long as they wanted
I agree with you, but Forza should look better in terms of the fuzzy graphics lol, they took a step back with this one visually from fm7 and fh5, in my opinion. That’s a good point about the sound but, drive any stock kunos car and they are pretty damn close to their counterpart!
about the handling, i play both the games on controller and i NEED scripts to actually drive the car properly on a track or even compete with a budget steering wheel in assetto but in forza its not really a necessaity. a proper line isnt really needed and curbs arent really punishing in forza, the game pitchs in the car for a turn if you play 3rd person and you actually feel it pitching the front in but for assetto you have to use left foot braking or oversteer the car to actually get a proper turn with less time wasted, either way good video man!
Thank you! Yea a script is basically required! Thankfully I have heard rumors that scripts will be available with even the console release of AC2. They have come such a long way!
Controller support is an after thought in assetto as it's meant to be played on a wheel.
that's called a skill issue
@@zavodszkiabel7919 "that's called a skill issue"
No it's not. AC just isn't made for controllers, so trying to play it that way is basically impossible without a script. I don't use controllers in AC, but I remember trying with a controller before I got a wheel and it was just impossible to countersteer correctly due to the analogue stick's imprecision. Same with throttle control or braking. These inputs on a wheel and pedals are very subtle and require a lot of precision, and that's not there on an analogue stick or a trigger. You can be the smoothest you want on controller; you're still going to be hugely limited.
@@thesprawl2361 not reading all that
great video
wish i was better at assetto but i can get into it that much and find more fun doing random things in fh5 than driving around the same lap for hours lol
Well I’m glad you found something you enjoy! If you ever need a buddy on either let me know!
The understeer in the Audi is a car setup issue. Forza in general has horrible stock setups and many cars are insanely understeery.
The camera of Assetto Corsa is absolutely horrible though.
Yeah there are alot of mods out there for the camera, this is the base one. I’m an in car kinda guy myself. I went stock for stock but maybe the forza one needs a better stock tune to compete lol
FM has no VR support as a sim racing game out in 2023.
Yeah that is a huge setback for them, EVERYONE else has VR. Forza needs to step it up bad
But what’s it like comparing the two with a controller?
I have played both with a controller, you almost need a script(mod, so pc only) for assetto. Forza is VERY playable and perhaps better on a controller. If you’re on Xbox I recommend Forza all day!
@@Tymanderr I agree
Why compare a sim to an arcade track racer?
Have you played the new Motorsport yet? The physics are not as far away from a sim as you might think. I play on a wheel and it’s not that far off in terms of racing and hotlapping!
I recently got back to FH4 with a wheel and the physics arent that bad, I wanna say close to assetto if I’m gonna be honest?
Really? I’ve never thought to try! My wheel doesn’t work with fh5 so I figured it would be the same with 4. If that true I’ll have to give it a try and see if I can make it work!
Assetto cars are gorgeous!
Forza brakes are a light switch? Not on Xbox X.
Problems with understeer? So many tuning variables not addressed.
Sample size is very small per track and only one tester.
This is Simcade vs Simulator right?
Pretty much yea, small sample size but just wanted to see how they stacked up!
Are you using Stock AC or Modded? I Remeber AC on console is Garbage for the FFB also compared to FM7. And when you compare sound to real life, you was hanging outside the cars driven to the Limit? I see a lot saying that cars drive different, but in Game you always trash the car, where in real life you are just cruising.
So I picked two cars that I have driven on track, the Porsche and the 300zx! They both sound off in forza but I do drive cockpit 90% of the time. The Audi was just too good to pass up as it’s the exact same model in both games lol, would be sick to drive that irl 😂 I’d crap my pants though for sure
Oh and yes ac is modded, I felt it was fair as Microsoft is like 20x the size of kunos if not more lol
@@Tymanderr So it is a Review that doesn't make sense and not fair, just another CZcamsr searching for toxic viewers to put against FORZA and Credits to a game, AC, That is not what you show. Plus you play with mods, the games remains a 💩 And that's why I'm not going to buy AC2.
@@Wolfox360 uh ok, it wasn’t really a review and I’m not shitting on forza at all in the video. Just pointing out differences between the 2. I also advocated for it in my wrap up. You clearly did not watch the video and came to spread your toxicity. You can respond but I won’t, please feel free to dislike if that is how you feel.
Short answer: yes.
I don’t think it’s that bad! Just different for sure!
The graphics on the T50 is terrible in Forza. Have a look at photo mode in the lobby vs in game, look into the engine bay via the mesh. Its absolutely terrible
I don’t even like to use or edit the photos in this game because they are all just so damn fuzzy! It’s horrible no matter how maxed the graphics are. At least on PC, I’m hoping they can fix it at some point
@@Tymanderr oh i get you. But hear me out.. In the lobby when you view the car, look into the engine bay via the mesh, you can see decent details. When in the game. You pause, photot menu etc.. do the exact same. The engine is missing many details
@@pokemongoprofessoroak7792 I’ll have to peak at it, the game is underbaked for sure. As a content creator I can barely make videos on this game as there is no replay feature! I’d love to do some good races but I can’t save them ever 😩
@@Tymanderr want me to send via discord so you can see without going into it?
@@pokemongoprofessoroak7792 sure!
When you are comparing breaks that is the reason I quite ACC is they are so bad. The other reason is joke you buy and can't use most of the game I just thru ACC in the garbage the reason you can't do a set up on Forza you can do double the amount of set ups on Forza over ACC.
Yeah ACC wasn’t for me either, the driving was ok but it’s the lack of variety, I love street cars, gt3 gets old and the novelty wears off. I’m sure IRL it would be amazing but I’m a game I want to drive a lot of different stuff 😂
Although it's clearly true that for sim racing/driving Assetto with mods is much better than Forza Motorsport I have a few issues with your claims.
I would disagree strongly on visuals. FM8, in spite of the bugs and glitches and horrible flat default lighting, looks frequently stunning. Yes, it can look excruciating, esp. in cockpit where the glitches in terms of lighting and texture detail and resolution sharpness are sometimes so bad they remind me of Project Cars 3, but there are times where it's the best looking racing game ever made. Even ahead of Gran Turismo 7. The graphical consistency isn't there, but it is still so far ahead of AC it's just absurd to compare them IMO.
And that's the real point; not so much that FM looks incredible all the time, but that AC is frequently eyemeltingly ugly. The default Kunos tracks in the game are the best looking, obviously, but they're still not good looking. And even the absolute best looking modded tracks or free roam areas are often shockingly bad to look at. Think of mods like LA Canyons, or Pacific Coast, or even Union Island, all of which are huge achievements and I love driving them...but they are visually appalling. There are popular mods in AC that, no exaggeration, look like up-scaled PS2 games. Playing mods in Assetto you're constantly reminded of how shocking this game is visually. We give it a pass because it came out a while ago and because we love it and we love the modding scene, but, if we're being honest, a lot of the time it is absolutely hideous visually. So the idea that it's even comparable to FM(never mind better)...I think you're being very overly generous to AC there.
I'd also say that in terms of car-sounds, sure AC is pretty good in cockpit...but it has some kind of strange flaw(that it shares with ACC) that means exhaust notes(and therefore the sounds when you're in chase view) sound absolutely horrendous, almost broken; with a fuzzy massively compressed buzz that sounds like the car is underwater. I don't know if it's something endemic to Kunos's sound recording software or what but the same chase-view car-sounds flaw is in AC and ACC. So there are only a handful of cars that sound good with the chase camera in the default game. And even with modded cars it's a tossup as to whether chase sounds will be tolerable.
FM's car sounds are deeply disappointing to me but they're never as broken sounding as AC's are. I'd put FM8 ahead, especially if you're talking about AC as just the bog standard base game.
In terms of a campaign... I think I actually prefer AC to FM; at least in AC there are fun challenges based on different disciplines, like drifting, whereas FM's leveling system is idiotic and its car building mission structure is just dull after a while.
But upgrading is possible, and it's not in AC. Different builds are possible. You can turn a street car into a drift car, or a drag car, or anything. The stupid leveling system makes this so much less fun than it should be - it has been, and still should be, one of the greatest joys of Forza; just messing around with different car builds. But at some point Turn 10 surely must get rid of it and then we'll be able to do what we've always been able to do and turn that BRZ into a Formula Drift contender, or turn that old Mustang Fastback i nto a drag monster. None of which is possible in AC. And I've spent so many gaming hours messing about with different builds; it's one of the best things about Forza.
Finally...the handling is obviously much, much better in AC. That's the part that matters the most. It's the reason why AC's modding scene is so huge, because the handling model got it so right from the very start. Forza Motorsport has a weird 'uncanny valley' thing going on with its handling, in that the closer it gets to a real sim the more the tiny differences become visible and annoying. I much prefer the more arcadey simcade handling in FH5 over the handling FM, because it's not so close to sim handling that I notice its differences. The differences in handling don't feel like failures, whereas they do feel like failures in FM. The handling feels like a choice made by Playground, whereas the handling in FM feels like sim handling only not as good. It's like the uncanny valley effect, only for handling. The closer a simcade's physics get to a genuine sim, the more the small differences start to grate.
This has turned into a long reply, but TL;DR? ...I think it's a touch unfair to compare a game that's just come out with a game that's been out for a decade and has a modding scene that's turned it from a tedious barebones sim into arguably the only car game you could ever need. Without its modding scene AC is incredibly lacking in almost every way. so if you were to compare them both in terms of the state they were in at launch it'd be a little fairer. I think you should bear in mind in the video just how much AC has changed from how it was when it was in the same position as Forza Motorsport. If you were to go back to a couple of months after AC's launch and compare that game to FM as it is now...well, even with all its myriad flaws(and don't get me wrong; FM is a massively flawed and disappointing game, I've expended way too much time elsewhere writing about how big of a disappoibntment it is after six years of promises and all the 'from the ground up' bumph bullshit) it's still better in most areas than AC was at the same point in its lifecycle. The handling is where it counts, and because of that one factor, combined with the incredible work done by modders, AC is the king of simmy car games. But it is still very flawed itself in a lot of areas, most especially in terms of visuals, and I'm always surprised by how little criticism it gets for how hideous it often looks. I love it, and I play it every day, but fuck me it's ugly.
I appreciate your message and your ideas, I agree with a lot them! As for the sounds I have the most time spent in the r34, the rx7 and 370z, as well as the ae86 drift car. These are all kunos cars and the sounds are pretty accurate. I drive in car for both games, usually. There are some mod tracks like akina, or the new usui pass that look incredible! The details are lacking majorly though In the base game maps I used for this vid. Forza has always been my game of choice since fm2 so the car building has been huge for me too. I got legendary tuner on fh5! I do not have enough time to almost ever have a competitive car in multiplayer because of the leveling system. I do hope they remove it as well so I can get back to driving and tuning. Currently I just grab a stock car I like and throw it around, if I can get some levels on it great! Maybe I can use it the next time this hopper shows up again. As a father and having a full time job by time is severely limited, editing and content creation only adds to the time loss of playing forza. Thanks for jumping in and saying your piece, have a good holiday!
@@Tymanderr You too man. Thanks for taking the comment as constructive, and not getting bent out of shape.
I spend most of my time in AC on touges like Akina, Tsukuba fruits, Happogahara, etc. and yes, they're often the best looking modded tracks. Touges tend to look good, IDK why. But they're still pretty bare and lacking visually, even compared to racing games from ten years ago, eg. Driveclub. It doesn't really bother me with AC - you get used to the visuals. But I hope AC2 is a big step up visually.
I got legendary tuner on FH5 too :). 300k+ tune downloads. I love FH5.
@@thesprawl2361 not sure how many I’m at currently haha maybe 100kish! And yeah I knew this vid would spark a lot of opinions, I was actually expecting a lot more rage posting and everyone’s been pretty nice haha. It’s a tough comparison between these two as they are so different but these are the games I play the most now, I can’t use my wheel on fh5 so I have cut back majorly in my playtimes. I think fm8 has a good future if they continue updating and AC2 has the makings of being the best sim/racing game of this decade. I never played pg3 or drive club as you mentioned, I was always a forza nerd and nfs, grid, test drive, Gt when I was younger! Wish I had a ps5 for that lol
@@Tymanderr No rageposting yet...but the night is young :)
@@thesprawl2361 hahaha vids doing better than I expected, we’ll see 😂
Forza has thousands of things wrong and especially no kerbs feeling even the racing line in this game is ruined just by the physics / handling on simulation mode... Assetto Corsa should not go too low to compare with Forza aka Mario Kart arcade racing parody game so far.
AC is king, hopefully they continue to update Forza and at least get it down to 999 issues lol
Who compares a Vanilla game (FMS) to a HEAVILY modded game (AC)? Krazy🤯🤯🤯
That’s a fair take, although I am mostly mentioning about physics and base maps for each game. I did not go down the mod rabbit hole too much 😂Forza will never have mods though and AC is almost ten years old. Never a better time lol
@@Tymanderr AC is 10 years old.. Beta started in like 2012-13 cant remember. Forza MS is pretty much in Beta forum with all the problems they need to fix. we don’t know if Forza MS will have mod support. why would you say that?
@@marquisegoodwin2481 I would assume off the basis that Microsoft is greedy, we have never had mods in a Forza game, ban hammer flys around for anyone who messes with mods on Forza. I don’t think my statement is off base. I hope they do and I have advocated for this in previous videos. Odds are they will not, they have spoken about FM8 being a “10 year game” so only time will tell. I’ll be here for it!
Also AC2 comes out next year. That is where the updated development is.
@@RATTMAN man I hope so
You can tune your cars in Forza to steer, grip, brake etc. better. Standard cars are not optimally tuned. There is no chance that a 300z is handling in real life at that speed on track in standard form. Get a grip of yourself
I’d argue that, I’ve driven a few 300zxs on tracks over the years. Njmp, pocono, they handle pretty well!
@@Tymanderr so your telling me with standard tires at speed on track there would be no understeer, never mind the brakes. IMO Forza is much closer to the reality and the serious SIM make things a little too tidy
@@niallmurdiff8972 I only mentioned the under steering when it came to the Audis, it was just very noticeable! The 300zx felt decent in both!
@@niallmurdiff8972 I’ve never driving a full on race car on track though, I hope I can get that experience in the future!
@@Tymanderr Best of luck if you do. I did a couple of track days, very enjoyable
AC sucks out of the box, you got to spend hours to get it looking good. Personally I can't be bothered with it, there are better sims that are easier to setup, it has got some fantastic content though.
If you ever need help, don’t hesitate to ask! There are tons of vids out there though I can’t see myself going down that road myself. As long as you down load content manager and CSP, the rest is super easy! Don’t let it pass you by especially with LFM now in AC!
There's no denying AC is one of the best if not the best racing Sims out there but to say the brakes in FM are on/off makes me question your credibility. And your driving in the LMP is shocking. And before you say its the physics etc I'm not the greatest and I can drive it a lot better than you did. I then stopped watching.
Well to your point, I am not the best and lmp is definitely not my chosen series, I’m only 6 months in on a wheel. As for the brakes, compared to AC I need to adjust my braking severely, as forza locks up extremely quickly comparatively. Appreciate your feedback regardless
You seem to drive the LMP lot better on AC and Forza supposedly called arcade by some.
Have you set up your pedals correctly ?
I only been using a wheel a week and I don't have anymore issues braking in FM than any other racer.
AC is my favourite by far but to say FM brakes is on or off don't sit right with me and is the least of its issues.@@Tymanderr
@@CT-ud7yk it was the under steer I was having trouble with on FM in the Audi, the 300zx kept locking on FM. I will also concede that I do not adjust my pedals in a game to game basis. I should but I’m lazy. My rig is set up for AC, it’s where I learned and my sim of choice currently. I also don’t want to risk changing things and then not being able to get it back lol, especially for Forza as you are correct the touchy brakes is the least of its issues 😂
I've tried these cars on both today and the Audi Etron was fairly easy to drive. I don't know what you are doing. Also you say you don't adjust your pedals as you're lazy but you say in the video "no matter how you adjust your pedals" yet you upload a video claiming you know what you are talking about.
You are what we say in England " Full of shit"
Goodbye.