Testing and Flying the F-4 | Behind the Wings
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- čas přidán 29. 02. 2024
- Join USAF F-4 pilot John Mann and F-4 Test and Evaluation Pilot John Barry as we go Behind the Wings of an all-weather, long-range supersonic jet interceptor and fighter-bomber the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II.
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This one is for all the Phantom Phanatics! Drop your Phavorite Phantom stories/facts in the comments
I worked with the F4 at Homestead AFB in the 80's always loved them. We did transition to F16 while i was there cool bird too. We never lost a F4 the entire time i was there but we did lose a F16 and a F106 yes we had a couple of them too as alert birds.
Can’t wait for her in DCS. Just a few more weeks. For those unaware, the model in DCS is essentially an interactive museum. Everything is modeled. If you have an interest in aviation, purchasing a a gaming pc and the modules offered in DCS is a fantastic hobby that offers unlimited entertainment for single purchases. We all get old, we all lose our medical or will never have the opportunity to fly some of these dream machines, but DCS offers a way around that.
I thought this was a video about a real airplane, not about gaming aviation.
@@davidtucker3008DCS is absolutely realistic with nothing dumbed down. It would make the average gamer cry. DCS pilots *know* how to fly the real planes. (Indeed, the real pilots tell us DCS is *harder* due to not being able to feel it.)
tell me you know absolutely nothing about DCS, without telling me you know absolutely nothing. way to fail, clown. @@davidtucker3008
@@davidtucker3008if you think DCS is a game go watch MaxAfterburner or Movers videos on it. both ex Viper pilots. mover also flew the Hornet and MaxAfterburner flew the F-15E in combat and the Viper for the Thunderbirds.
@@davidtucker3008 You obviously don't know much about DCS; The recently released F4 module for DCS is as realistic as it gets.
Can't wait to fly her in DCS.
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Hell yeah
2 weeks
I was JUST thinking about that!
@@coldclaws2479only 2 weeks? Woooo!!!
Special note- the F-4E Phantom II story isn’t over yet. The jet is still in frontline service with Türkiye , Greece ,South Korea, and Iran. Funny enough, the 5000th Phantom pictured in the video is with the Turkish Air Force today.
I don't know why I always hear people call The F-4 ugly.. They're my favorite fighter! I am biased, my dad was an F-4 Mechanic on the Independence servicing VF-102 and we had pictures of them all over the house when I was little.
Definitely not ugly, but definitely not a plane you wanna be in, in a dog fight
People are curious.
It's definitely the meanest looking fighter ever. "Hans, are we the baddies?" LOL!
Thanks for including the maintainers, Dad was an Autopilot Specialist and served over in Thailand helping to keep those F-4's flying. Great episode, thanks for your service!
I crewed D and E models in my six years in the USAF. I also went up once in a D model over the deserts of Holloman AFB. At 34k feet we did 1.2 mach. About 920 mph. That also looks like an A7D Corsair to the left of the Phantom. I crewed that jet for 3 years before being discharged. That's me in the photo the day I went up.
I was an Aircraft Electrician in the USAF from '75 - ''79. My experience with the F-4 Phantom was at Spangdalhem AB (Germany) from '76 - '78. It was and still is my favorite aircraft. One of the coolest experiences I had was going TDY to Zaragoza Spain. I had the privilege to helicopter out with an F-4 aircrew to Bardenas Reales bombing range. I sat in the control tower with this aircrew. They scored other aircrews flying by in their F-4's dropping bombs (smoke) and firing the M61A1 Vulcan minigun. What a sight to see! I wish that I could have flown in one. The closest I got was sitting in the back seat with a big test set in my lap. We did a high-speed taxi check to test the new anti-skid system I had installed. Close, but no cigar. LOL
Thank you for this video. Since I retired to north Idaho, I met Burt Rutan, and his brother Dick ('Misty 40'), and my neighbor in the condo complex who was involuntarily extended so he could go on his Navy squadron's first cruise to Vietnam. He flew F-4s (likely the B model) until their airplane was shot up, lost one engine (and both hydraulic systems, obviously as the lines for both were run between the engines), and being young with that "I can do this!" attitude we all had in our twenties, landed on the carrier at 240 knots, at an incredible descent rate. I asked if he dented the deck (you may surmise that the gear went through the wings), and he related that the airplane was immediately pushed over the side. After five back surgeries in Japan, he was sent to the frag office at Saigon, serving as the only officer in that building during the night, along with one sergeant.
Burt joined the "Caterpillar Club" while he was an AF aeronautical engineer at Edwards during the F-4 spin testing program. Some years after that, it was found that in dropping underwing stores, the F-4s CG could rapidly shift beyond the limits, and reportedly accounted for 20-25% of SEA combat losses. Dick Rutan was the F-100F backseater with Misty 59 Donald K. Harlan who flew off the left wing of the RF-4C that had aircraft commander Maj.Gen. Robert Worley failing to eject. (Dick Rutan corrected the story in my copy of Walter Boyne's 'Phantoms in Combat' book.) This was the first of three such incidents, and analysis determined that with the rear canopy gone at high airspeeds, there was too much negative pressure on the front canopy for the existing system to open and jettison it, So two small gas pistons were installed in the front rail to thrust the canopy bow upward.
The books by Ed Rasimus (sp.?) provide a good contrast between the F-105 and F-4 operations and pilots in SEA as he flew both.
As a tall guy working on f-4s i can still see the marks on my back..those access doors had sharp enough corners to make your day unforgettable 😂 Huge respect to all mainteiners who really know the struggle..
I went with the F-4E from Elgin AFB Fla in 1969 close combat support 388TFW as a maintenance mechanic I really appreciate your acknowledgements of our performance in keeping air ops readiness at 90 per cent everyday 365 monsoon ricebugs heat burns night and day 12 hours 6days a week because of our motto about our brother's in the jungle "people are dying" we pushed we endured we busted are ass for them thank -you
Great video, wish it was much longer!
I was lucky enough to fly F4D’s for the NDANG before we converted to the F16. I can confirm that trying to roll the F4 under “g” with aileron was an eye opening experience. Luckily I only did it once.
In thrust we trust, also Phantom Phriday
Back in the early 80's, I was a munitions loader on the F-4D for the Ga. Air National Guard. Just love the Phantom.
I loved hearing the howling J-79s while observing the sky from my fire support base.
F-4s rocks! Got to see Air Force, Navy and Marines F-4s operational variants . All were impressive and inspiring aircraft.
John Mann, you are good. I hope you will be working with Behind The Wings for many more shows. Thank you sir.
My uncle piloted the F4 phantom in Vietnam, he'd come home on Christmas around 1970 when I was 10, I was in awe. God bless America🇺🇸
My father few the F-4 after Vietnam and I remember as a kid when the Blue Angles flew the F-4's. It was a glorious sound made in heaven! So loud!
I wish I could have talked with one of these gentlemen during my visit a couple of years ago, the Phantom is my absolute favorite.
Today, 2024, the Turkish Air Force still uses F-4s. As to the fuel, a Boeing 737NG typically burns 850 gallons of Jet-A per hour in cruise. A fighter in afterburner could have a fuel burn rate of 30,000 gallons per hour - so that mode is used very carefully.
I definitely gotta load up and come back to Colorado man. This museum is just one on a long list of reasons
This was great. Experience and knowledge, good production and easy to listen to. Not to mention I love hearing about those J-79s. The F-4 is a favorite of mine! Thanks and new sub!
My all time fave American combat jet, bar none. I always loved the look of the F4.
I still love the phantom after all these years. It's still gorgeous and nothing says Murica like putting way more power than you need on any mechanical device. 😅😅😅
Love your museum can’t wait to come back to the states and visit again.
Thank you for sharing!
I loaded weapons on F-4 D's and E's. When at Korat RTAFB in 68 and 69 I loaded 5 million pounds of bombs along with 2.75 rockets pods, AGM 12 Bullpups AIM7 and AIM 9 missles, 20 MM rounds and CBUs. I sat in the cockpit when checking out the weapons systems for 2 and a half years. I think that John Barry meant that Robin Olds was at Uban with the 555 fighter wing mimicing the 105's from Korat..
Great job with this video!!
This was Grrrreeeaaat! Bravo Zulu!
I think it's one of the nicest fighters ever. It's so unique.
I was 6 when my pops who was an air liaison officer with the 2nd armored division took me out to the tallest hill in west Germany, 175 agl WE saw 4 F4's at 20 AGl crest that hill right above us. love the double ugly since....
Thank you, Wings! I love hearing from those who know. What about that awesome grey Thunderchief back there? Story up!
Thanks!!!
Amazing!!!!!!!
really awesome!
Also the BEST nickname for a fighter… Phantom… freaking awesome
Fantastic episode thank you and just want say hello from the UK 🖐
How cool is that!
Very nice!
01:30 R.I.P. “Texas Raiders”!
Structural Maintainer here. Is there any chance we’d be able to hear from a maintainer, either who worked on this particular aircraft or others? That would really interesting to hear about.
เป็นเครื่องบินรบที่สวยงามมาก พร้อม เอฟ 5 ด้วยรูปทรงที่สวยพร้อมรบ แค่ได้ยินเสียงเตรียมเลยหายนะกำลังมา ชอบครับ
1:36 holy smokes. A fighter that can carry twice the payload of a B-17. That’s incredible.
Nice video!
Thanks guys my favorite jet saw them in the pattern in front of me at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana always wish i was the pilot in the F4 phantom 👍😜😎
Worked the Wheel and tire shop at SJ AFB mid 80's. F4E they are aBeast.
10:50 "Ooops..." (RAF style) 😂
4:42 All of the prescence of the US and UK forces in central Europe up until the early 1990s when they wound it back. I bet they wish they hadn’t wound it back now.
I’m finding this video infinitely fascinating, you’ve got a new subscriber today my friends.
I was in Denver a few years ago and did not know about this museum 😮
We hope to see you next time you are in Denver!
Ugly and powerful. Love this thing. Remember it leaving black trails in the skies as a kid during Cold War. Sonic booms were common.
F-4 is my favorite plane, I am so happy to watch this video, the only question I have is how do I fly one, cose that is my biggest wish, to fly an F-4 untill I die
My first love in Ace Combat.
I trained in the old SAC hanger in the 80’s. Lowry was an awesome base.
I trained at Lowry in 1971.
I saw one in Idaho, it was silver and really big. I'm 45 and I don't think I've ever seen one flying.
I worked for Pat Cronin, he flew them.
As a kid i had a picture of a phantom with a vulcan cannon under the nose. I wanted to fly one of them they looked amazing.
Great video! I would've liked to know if mr. Barry, being a test and evaluation pilot, ever shot AIM-4 Falcons from a Phantom. Those were by all means complicated weapons to use in a Phantom, due to various reasons, but I've been unable to find any proper account on how those were supposed to be fired.
Brill.
Think you could do a behind the wings episode on some famous fictionnal aircrafts?
One of the best war planes ever!The defender of the free world!!!
Phantom 2 and Panavia Tornado are the most beautiful aircrafts ever! Maybe Alpha Jet and Harrier as second
I live in the Netherlands center ,Amersfoort, near Soesterbrrg .as a kid weekly at the bike and go to spotters spot and wave hello ,yeah . I understand that little Soesterberg was populair by US mililtairy .some dutch girls catched to America ❤ 😂
Well on alert …. The Crew Chief is there with the pilots on the Ready Alert pad … he has another cartridge almost ready in one hand and his Snoopy in the other hand. The problem with a bad start … you have to wait for the old cart to finish its burn … and for the motor to spool down
Great video John. Always prefer to hear actual pilots talking like in this video. Why were the stabilators in anhedral? Thanks
Wonderful overview of the F-4 in some of its various configurations. Pilots, too...very nice. Cold War iconic warhorse. Nice to hear some real world talk about it. All I know is it looks cool AF and kicked ass in combat. Made a great model when I was a kid. Also, great export product to many nations who needed a capable platform. One of the best.
Cameo appearance by an F-15, but that still doesn’t detract from the classic the F-4 really is… Phantoms Phorever!
You didn't cover the hard wing and blown flaps. (The soft wing didn't have BLC, right?)
That's Major General Dad right there
Breaks my heart how they used them as drones, but with over 5,000 of them, you have to do something with it.
Yeah drop one off at my house. Gate guard jet!
How bout having an interview of a maintainer?
I love even more if she is powered by Pratt and Whitney 1120.
is the Heatblur F4E a hard or soft wing?
if i'm not mistaken, our old airbase Soesterberg is a muesum now. I'm not a whole 100% - but i know that some of the old NATO airbases we had are turned into museums.
Is that true the air intakes on the Mig23/27 are copied from the Fantom ??
The Phantom was a Great Fighter, The problem was with LBJs Administration of the Beyond Visual Range ONLY Doctrine that actually had pilots maneuvering the phantom at Close Ranges when they wasn’t equipped to do this from the beginning. However when you did have pilots who could maneuver the phantom they would become ACEs . Captain Frank Ault was did a report on this called the Ault Report, and he found the issues to be with Missile Failures and In Close pilot training. So Dan Pedersen armed with this report stated to retrain phantom pilots at a school he started called Fighter Weapons school . These phantom pilots took the ratio from 2:1 and it became closer to 24:1 with the phantoms by the end of Vietnam.. why this newer phantom record is never Discussed remains a Mystery..
"Hey, now that you retire, you can't going on and use your secret test pilot name. What do you wanna be called for the rest of your life? Make it quick" "Ah...John...? ...Mann...?!" "OK, John Mann it is. Thanks for your service" LOL
Fan-friggin-tastic!!!
98,500 FEET?!!! You could just about reach out and shake ET's hand @ that Altitude!
Those engines had to be Starving 😫for Air!
My old man flew Phantoms (2) Tours in South East Asia Air Force ..
He thought the Phantom Hung the Moon!..
I had weird start w/DOD. When 3, mandatory haul kid's azz to Library on Wednesdays. I would read all aviation in magazines & checked out aircraft books. My 1st drawings of Phantom in blk crayon, as only thing left as all rest repo'd by Mom for discipline. Only 3, Ike Dad's old WW2 Buddy, thought my drawings of Phantom 2B cute, asking Dad purpose of nub of blk crayon, so Dad fessed up I was pain in azz, & Mom would jerk a color every time I screwed up, all taken, but found blk nub on sidewalk, so that's what I had. Ike unamused, had staffer buy me small drafting desk, set of drafting materials, & shtload of various papers to draw on. Back in MI, Mom PO'd I had stuff. F4 got funny little tail, as per mags I had read, that was best cure for sound barrier problem avoidance. Gramps, Henry Ford's 1st Apprentice said wings "not for sht", as needed modified gull design for carrier use, so F4 got that w/outer section gull shaped, & it had agility of shore bird. Dad bought everything on Ruskey drawing boards for $15K, Mom?, so @4 I tripped to D.C. w/Dad. All top designers & big shooters in aircraft production there, I was like fish outta H20, but The General stuck me in small office next to Meeting Room, I thanked him again for drafting materials, so he asked, "So what are we drawing today?" I showed him drawings for F4 2B fleshed out much more than that he'd 1st seen it, explained where & why fors to him, & he was amazed! Meeting dragged on, General PO'd our Aircraft experts had nothing to top the Commies, called both our's & Commies designs regurgitated WW2 dinosaurs, & both us & Commies way behind sketches of a 3 yr old. I corrected Ike as had just turned 4. Ike grabbed me setting me up on his shoulder sayin', "3, 4, what's the difference", embarrassing the hell outta me. But I got set down, & Ike challenged all the makers for design of fighter/bomber that can beat Phantom, or I'm going to dbl green light the kid's design, & Kelly, (Johnson) he's gonna be your personal problem, w/updates on my desk 1st of every month, now show me you're best!! By 2PM they had nothin', & I had a Handler"!! DOD jerked all 4 -.50 Cals in design, in favor of Missile Industry, or Phantom would have been much more dangerous! At least our Fliers had something to drive for Vietnam......
Am lost about the self versus hard wing!
"Soft" wing has leading edge slats. "Hard" wing doesn't.
What is DCS?
This channel is for aircraft enthusiasts, don't waste your time with the F-4 background blabla on a teleprompter... John Barry said he occasionaly flew the RAF Phantom it would have been interesting to have his say about the Spey vs the J-79! Also you both guys didn't spoke about the negative points of the Brick. I remember the testimony of an ANG pilot who flew the F-106, the F-4 and the early F-16A, he absolutly hated the Phantom in the air-to-air role. Even if as an enthusiast the F-4s from Ramstein, Spangdhalem, Sembach and Zweibrucken AFBs made my days when I lived in the Budensrepublik Deutschland in the late 80s 😜
I,suggest.the f4.be.given a slightly new design.plus advanced avionics making its eqivilence to the present newer fighter jets.after all it has proven itself to be a true warrior,and most feared bird in the sky.
they're still flying it as a target drone??
These videos are great but, for the love of the Aviation Gods, can you only play the music at the beginning and end of a vid??? Please...
You're not the only one... we may change this up.
It is definitely loud.
She is still a bad ass fighter. She was quieter with the Tolls Royce turbofans.
T-38 - check no leaks before flight. F-4 - check have the normal leaks before flight.
I wonder how many "go pills" that guy took waking up from a dead sleep
Israel used her effectively
Oh man what happened to that other host? This one sounds like he's just reading prompts and it's a bit of a shame tbh
My father was a Phantom Phixer when he was in Thailand and with the 107th Niagara Falls, i thought they were beautiful planes, i miss hearing them flying around
You can't play the same intro music 20 times in the video, it's unbearable.
I know, right? And it's better suited for a gameshow, not a warplane museum.
Same old thing for the last 25 years. Nothing new at all in this video.
You hear about the same airplane for 25 years and you expect something new?
womp womp
Byeeee
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Better video quality.