2023 Beta 300 Race Edition vs 2023 KTM 300XC Comparison Carb vs TBI
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2023
- Comparison ride between my '23 Beta 300 Race Edition and '23 KTM 300XC....Carb vs TBI. Back to Back rides are a great way to get a feel for the unique characteristics of different bikes.
Great audio, great comments, great video! Thanks!
Well, this video just sold me on the Beta. Thanks for posting these videos MxEngineer!
Glad you liked the video! Congratulations on your future Beta purchase!
you've got a radio voice bro
Nice vid.
Thanks!
Nice video Sir, you're living the dream. Are you able to get the wheel up without the clutch on both bikes? I guess the KTM comes up easier? thanks.
Glad you like the channel! Both bikes are more than capable of power only wheelies. I tend to use the clutch to control the start of the wheelie then just throttle and shifting.
Smooth power is borning lol, long stretches you need something super powerful for some enjoyment 😍
More power is always fun! czcams.com/video/7ZEEKU7iqIc/video.html
Would love to know your thoughts on the Cone Valve vs KYB fork? I have KYB on Sherco now and they are great. About to pick up a TX and wondering if CV will be better than the KYB I’m used to. Big debate for me on spending the extra $$$
I regularly ride a lot of different bikes. You may be surprised just how well the stock AER forks work on a TX300 (especially the '23 model). Give new AER forks a good 4~6 hours of ride time from new to fully break in and also spin the clickers and try different air pressure settings. KYB forks generally work for a broad range of riders and terrain and the '23 Beta 300 RE KYB setting is very good off road. WP Cone Valve spring forks are also very good when set up properly for the rider (which does not always happen). The WP CV's have special coatings to reduce friction which can make the movement a bit more supple on the little chop. Lots of opinions about which is the "best"...the only opinion that matters is yours! Enjoy your new TX300 and us know your thoughts on the bike. I just picked up one yesterday and will have some ride review videos posted shortly!
Great comparison Beta probably would be more at home in New England rough tight woods with nasty roots and rocks. I'm hook on the KTM 300 xc looks like more fun then humans should be allowed to have thanks for sharing.👍
Glad you like the channel! Hard to beat a 300 2-stroke for tight woods riding!
You can put good quality zip ties around that rubber exhaust connector (pipe to silencer) where the 2 indentions are. That will stop the oil from splattering on everything.
Thanks for the recommendation!
@@mxengineer1 I already suggested that on the phone lol
Sorry, is this is for ktm or beta?
@@tonn333 Beta - the rubber seal between the silencer and expansion chamber can leak a little so a zip tie around both ends fixes the issue. KTM has no issue with leaking at this joint...wonder if the KTM rubber seal would work on the Beta?
Any chance you’ve rode the 23 300rx? Would love to hear your opinion on the square motor vs the short stroke rr models.
I have not ridden a Beta 300RX yet but hope to in the near future! I am also very curious about the engine character of the more classic 72x72 bore/stroke 300RX engine with the 38mm Keihin carb and a more aggressive ignition advance curve.
Couple of sweet bikes! Next you should dump that mini-van and get yourself a sprinter van or a pick up! Lol
Ha! I really like the Odyssey but Sprinter's sure are tempting!
May I ask you which camera you use? Guess it's on a chest mount.... thanks, Steve
I use a GoPro Black 7 with a Dango Design chin mount
I really appreciate your content, it’s always technical and on point. I understand that the KTM is more powerful and spec wise has more ponies to offer up, but is it much faster in the wide open stuff, basically I guess I’m asking does it flat out stomp all over the Beta, and if so by how much, I understand it’s a-lot of opinion and preference when it comes to reviews everyone likes and prefers what they will, would you mind if I just ask which one you would prefer if you could only afford one???
Glad you enjoy the channel and reviews! If I can only have (1) the engineer in me give the edge to the '23 KTM 300XC TBI. The level of power and controllability is impressive and almost no engine vibration and no need for jetting. However some riders I know get into the mountains far from their trucks so reliability and being able to fix a bike on the trail becomes very important so these riders may prefer the very simple yet effective Beta.
@@mxengineer1 now I just need to know the difference between tmracing 300 and ktm 300... Both have tbi. You don't happen to know anything about it do you?
@@tonn333 I wish I could ride a TM300! I don't know anyone with them locally and have not seen any at the track or trail to bum a ride on. I would also like to feel another manufacturer's tuning of TPI. I know the KTM/Husky 300 TBI engine power well and it is STRONG!
I almost get the feeling the beta is like a 350 4-stroke. Really hoping you can get ahold of a Rieju soon and give it a try
If I get a chance to ride a change to ride a Rieju there will be a video on the channel!
I'd love to see a back-to-back of these two bikes climbing up a creek bed or on a woods track. For that matter, an Xtrainer would be cool to see too.
I will have more woods back to back rides with these and other bikes when the woods dry out a little more...we just got a lot of rain this week and was only 45F today in Ohio so nothing drying out yet
@@mxengineer1 same here! I just got an Xtrainer and only got to ride it for 15 minutes! Damn weather.
Excellent comparison, really enjoy your analysis, technical but layman style descriptions. If I had a 350fx I think I would take the beta 300 for the tech stuff. Best of both worlds then. That smooth Beta power and tractable nature is actually noticeable in your reviews. Thanks 👍
Thanks Richard! Glad you can feel what I am talking about in terms of that smooth Beta power - so rideable and connected to the ground (even frozen ground...I rode at 22F this morning). Both are great bikes and have very unique characters.
I was looking at a beta 300 and i got the 23 husqvarna tx300 instead. Did i makenthe right decision?
The Beta 300 Race Edition has simple carbureted and mechanical power valve engine with very smooth power (less than the 300TBI bikes) and a quick steering/handling chassis and off road focused KYB suspension that works very well. The '23 TX300 has a quick revving and ery powerful 300 fuel injected engine with strong partial throttle torque response with a great mix of cornering and stability and very adjustable suspension. What do you think about your TX300? If I could only have 1-bike... czcams.com/video/F4Q9MlBxTRU/video.html
Beta makes one hell of a machine
Beta Rideability!
I love my race edition
Beta Race Editions are very fun bikes!
What camera / settings you use?
GoPro Hero 7 Black with GoPro microphone adapter and TNE gaming microphone all connected to the chin bar on my helmet with a Dango mount
Which bike do you recommend of the two
Depends on what characteristics your prefer. Some riders like a smoother power, simple technology, and KYB suspension so the Beta is appealing. The new KTM/Husky 300 TBI engines set the bar for partial throttle linear torque response in a 2-stroke and are also simply very powerful 2-strokes (MXA magazine test on the 23 KTM 300SX said their test bike made 55 hp at the rear wheel - that is a lot of power). Personally I give a slight edge to the KTM as I like the power and response of the engine and with a counterbalancer there is almost no vibration
@@mxengineer1 thank you
If the Beta had FI i'd probably have one in the garage, but i just can't see myself ever going back to a carb.
That's crazy, because I really like having a carb and knowing I can work on it if something ever happens.
I have been on EFI 300 smokers since my 2020 KTM 300 TPI. Beta has the '23 Beta 300 Race Edition engine running clean and smooth all with a simple carb and I could add oil injection plug and play if I wanted...
czcams.com/video/NKAOeBhgxrI/video.html
Beta has KYB suspension and a carburetor.Winner!
Beta knows how to make 2-strokes run - impressive just how well the Beta 300RE engines run...and the new 2024 Beta 300 dual plug engine runs great too...czcams.com/video/nGCctnyACS4/video.html
This video should be an hour long!
Ha Ha! I target highlighting the differences and getting to the point....in less than 8 minutes!🤣
Tbi definitely has more snap...
Yes it is a quick rev and sharper hit - glad you can notice in the video. Interestingly it is surprisingly controllable for how powerful the 300TBI engine is so that electronically controlled power valve must be helping smooth out the power
Ktm exc 300 or Beta RR 300 why Ktm exc 300 why Beta RR 300, thanks to those who will answer me! 🤝🏻
Great question! Pick the characteristics you like. Beta has the simpler 2-stroke engine with classic carb and mechanical power valve with broad smooth power. Beta has well sort KYB suspension (on the Race Editions) and Sachs on the RR models (which also come with oil injection) and a linkage rear suspension. For carb bikes Beta's run clean over a wide range of temperatures.
KTM offers gas and go simplicity with the TPI 300EXC which has both fuel and oil injection. The TPI bikes run clean with no jetting and also have more parts including fuel pumps, sensors, injectors, etc. The PDS non linkage rear suspension is simple and lightweight offering plenty of clearance over obstacles along with minimal maintenance.
Nice to have choices!
@@mxengineer1 if I take Ktm exc 300 my first motorcycle and the second after 2-3 years will be beta rr I will not regret my choice very much, strictly your opinion thank you! 🤝🏻
I wonder how many people watching this video can actually ride a 300 2t to its potential? I would think either machine has way more capability than 99.9% of the people that act like they need more power.
Nice to have choices in 300 2-stroke power level and character!
Debating on selling my carbed 15 for a 24’ XCW
Nothing wrong with well sorted carb XCW - very capable bike. The power character of the TBI 250/300 engines is more like a carb bike so the new 24 XCW may feel somewhat familiar to you. You will also notice the almost total lack of vibration with the counterbalanced 250/300 engines.
Comparing a xc bike with an enduro bike….”meaningful” ?
Yes - easy to question the meaningfulness of this ride. However I enjoy checking the Bandwidth of dirt bikes. I tend to ride a lot of different terrain from MX tracks and woods/trails and it is fun to see how a bike works across all of them. Here is a bandwidth check of my '21 KTM 300 Erzberg.. czcams.com/video/UYxRh6wwKGE/video.html
@@mxengineer1 gives meaning. No matter the comparisons, i like the review of each bike, but looking at it as standalone per bike :-)
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