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Dexed VST versus 1983 Yamaha DX7 | Orgy of 80's riffs and over-used presets
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- čas přidán 2. 01. 2017
- Let's put a real Yamaha DX7 from 1983 head-to-head against DEXED VST to review how closely the virtual instrument emulates the sound of the real synth. Yamaha DX7 demo, Dexed VST demo, dexed vs dx7.
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My father accidently broke his DX7. He was devastated. Then i recommended Dexed to him, and good lord he's so happy.
omg
Loool
You're a good son!
now recommend him Arturia DX 7 V
you just made me love your dad.
In my opinion, the Dexed sounds so close that arguing about it really isn't worth the trouble. I owned a DX7 for years and knew it inside-out. One *huge* advantage of the Dexed is that you can see all the edit parameters; on a DX7, you had to jump around from one to another on the LCD. I have Dexed and use it a *lot*. Great vsti!
i loaded DX 7 banks in a volca compatible with DX7. ALL are definitly close. But Hardware is allways a bit warmer. "out of the box" Blind test with 3 non keyboardist people with hardware through the same soundcard as the one used to run DeXed led to same conclusion. Dexed is one of my favorite tool though (with PG8X) but in term of sound, i often
prefer the Volca and even TX. But i agree with you: it's closes, definitly! and it s more e fellowship than a competition; i think they can all give the best of both world! Owning the hardware without Dexed would definitly be a shame! and producing without a "real" DX is possible with this great and free instrument. For live i will allways prefer an harware instrument, with no computer though.
Very apparent even from my smart TV is the lack of bass from the vst... It sounds thinner, nasal and more fake.
Yes. That one digital thing is a lot warmer and richer than that other digital thing.
Do you hardware snobs even realise how dumb you sound at this point?@@lovecraftmusic8717
I use both, a tx7 controlled by dexed. Some patches sound better dexed, nice to have the options.
This is incredible. Possibly no VST is as close as DEXED as to its real unit.
The power of FOSS
I think it is much closer to the TX802 / DX7 II than to the old DX7. Minus the fancy stuff that you can do with the 8 separate module sections in the TX802 in performance mode.
I think it's because it's a digital synth to begin with, so no simulation required.
I've got Dexed and recently just bought a reface dx and honestly I think dexed sounds better. Not sure how a free VST can emulate a 30 year old keyboard better than Yamaha can but it blew my mind.
reface dx is only 4 operator, which is unfortunate
@@TheBBQify reface dx is not a dx7 remake and is amazing despite its limitations
@@zackhartmann yeah ngl i actually would love a reface, i just cant justify buying one when i already have dexed
@@TheBBQify i can justify it for u if u need
Reface can loop back to some operators to get close. It’s basically a dx9 upgraded or a CX5M.
Incredible. Just think about how incredible is that someone is able to give this to the world for free. Great video!!!
You sir, understood how an A/B test should be made. Great work! Just picked a Yamaha TX7, and now I know I can rely on Dexed for the patches. Thanks for the demo.
It's possibly a little easier with this comparison than, say, analog, because the patch libraries for the original exist and can be loaded onto the vst
Crazy how good these sounds are. Still blows me away.
After owning a dx7s years ago along with the ii and iiFD which i regret selling all of them I was really glad when dexed came out, I now own the original dx7 and its brilliant that it can link together along with the volca fm with good old midi. The dexed creators deserve every accolade.
The DX7 sounds so spectacular still. FM synthesis is awesome. My first synth was a DX11.
I think it's so cool how one can do all this synthesis purely in software nowadays. Technology sure has come a long way!
Funny thing is Yamaha did all this in software in 1983. The DX7 is purely digital and it's all software generated synthesis! One of the first to do so also. At least in the more affordable consumer space (Although it was quite expensive in 83, but not like a house)
@@Magnus_Loov No, the DX7 did it with hardware-assisted synthesis.
@@jimbotron70 No. If so could you please explain which part were hardware assisted synthesis? Because that would mean some analog components like filters, LFOS etc would be involved. DX7 used FM and it was generated digitally to a 100%. Then every synth has to do a conversion via a DA to an analog outpout, but that isn't synthesis!
@@Magnus_Loov The 8-bit processor and the ASIC in DX 7 didn't have the processing power to handle the sound synthesis in real time, in fact the DX 7's FM relied upon "operators", or tone generators, this is why it's called hardware-assisted synthesis. In Dexed and other VSTs it's all done purely in sofware.
@@jimbotron70 Haha! "Operators" is the term still used in FM terminology. It is still software only. The fact that i was 100% software in the DX7 BUT not in real time still doesn't negate that it was software.
I love that this is the most polite music channel where everyone seems reasonable and there's no trolling or Fanboy stuff going on. Hope I haven't Jinxed you with that Woody. Anyway, my 2 penneth is that the advantage of the real thing is when you're playing solo for yourself so that you'd notice the slight thinness/brightness of the VST and I agree there's a certain disconnect when playing via a VST. It's nice just to switch on a keyboard and play 'it'. Thanks for the video. 😎👍
Jackofalltrades what disconnect? It's all in the mind. You can construct your own module with a cheap computer set up to load your vst once you turn it on and with an ssd it will boot up in no time. Go watch Fairlight videos as that is the closest retro synth to the vst generation.
Fuck you, you fucking moron. Nah, just kidding. Lol. Couldn't resist.
@@PaulTheSkeptic You actually concerned me for a bit, good job lol.
Yes you can hear here, the vst is lacking some body and also some shine on some presets (mainly body tho).
Dexed is certainly close enough, obviously a bit cleaner and more HIFI. Great demo, thanks Woody!
What an amazing VST. I'm blown away by how true to the sound it is.
The real DX7 may have just an ever so slightly fuller sound ie a touch more mids to lows, but in a mix I'd challenge anyone to pick the real from the VST it is so slight. And besides, in a mix, you have so much competition for space in the "mud" range that the VST might actually function better in a mix because it is a very small touch clearer for lack of a better way to put it. I have an original DX7 from the early 80's. raised it from a pup. Loved it. Best keybed on a synth ever. Still works great, at least last time I fired it up, but that's been a while. I now use DEXED when I need those sounds, and there are thousands available free on the net, It is much easier and certainly the interface wins hands down over the little readout on the DX7 itself. It's a no brainer for me. I love Dexed. (Quick edit here: It just dawned on me that the original DX7 only responded up to 100 on velocity where as the DEXED can do either, so if you have it set to respond to the full scale, that might explain the ever so slightly brighter sound. Still, I doubt most would even hear the difference.)
I just saved a lot of money by switching to Dexed!
From one of the first demonstrations back in the 80-ies I fell in love with this "totally different sound".
In the store there also was a Jupiter 8, but it then sounded "lame" and "same" against the DX7.
However: I never had the money to buy one and now I don't care too much about the little (imaginary?) differences in sound with the Dexed.
Add to that the scary interface to program a sound on the DX7, I give the Dexed a triple thumbs-up.
And the best thing is: I can afford it :-)
EQing down the highest highs a bit often helps to get digital emulations closer to analog sound. I've noticed that this "trick" applies to almost all digital modeling synths. Just cut the brightest highs a little bit. :)
Works for a JV 2080 as well. And then run it through a Tube Preamp.
There is nothing "analog" about a DX7 lmao.
@@bradylasserre9320 Very interesting. Can you post a video showing your DX7 with digital output.
@@bradylasserre9320 there is, but it's the very last stage of its sound output, which is where additional character comes in
a more extreme example would be the sega mega drive, especially the later model 1 and earlier model 2 units with their strong low pass filter and not strong enough resistors after the DAC stage
THATS WHY SATURATION MAKE DIGITAL SHINES LIKE THE REAL THING
Oh my god that's an impressive VST
Dexed is a great synth. I remember when the DX7 came out. It was So different, so cool, so difficult to program :) The fact that you can stack as many as you want in your PC, and for free, is amazing. I finally understand my dad. Kids these days don't know how easy they have it lol.
In some kind of things, yes, we have it cool, but in others.. but, i must say that to have this sort of things, for me, is a biblical gift.
I've worked with the original DX7, DX7IIfd, SY and TG77, and now Dexed. They all sound 'slightly' different with the same patch loaded, but its so subtle as to be a non-issue. Working with Dexed has been a blast to the past and a joy 👍
I got Dexed purely because I wanted that tubular bell preset. I've loved that sound since I first heard it in the '80s. Used it, too, in a recent composition!
I've been searching for that for a long time, because I wanted that low "BONG" from the Top Gun anthem.
And god damn here it is, and for free?! I thought I was going to have to spend over a hundred on the native instruments plugin.
with a little EQ here and there i could just about make dexed sound close to the real thing. in any case I am sold .....
I was thinking the same thing
anyones ears would still pick the real dx7 witout the eq
How can you be sold when it's freeeeeeeee?
@@ChrisNova777
People's ears would however pick up the sharper high end of DEXED even if they didn't recognize that it wasn't a real DX7. Depending on what you're mixing it into, that might be desirable or not.
Personally, I prefer it in most contexts. I tend to like my FM to have a bit of sharpness to it, and DEXED manages to capture that without sounding thin, because the DX7 wasn't thin. I'm going to wager that DEXED does a good job of modeling the DX7 synth on a chip level, but doesn't model whatever output circuitry that the DX7 had, which was dulling the high frequencies.
How can you be sold if its free? ;)
dexed was my favorite plug in before i even bothered to check what was a DX7.
Probably Dexed needs a little equalization to enhance the bass range.
exactly
Some tape
yes
"Do They Know It's Christmas?"
Loved it!
I use both, depending on how much space I have. I've recorded stuff with Dexed and then gone back over with the DX7, and there's little difference. You'd only notice any minute differences in a direct head to head, and even then it's so subtle.
I own both the real DX7 and the VST one. Both are fantastic. Love them
Dexed is extremely close for most patches, although there's a few where you can hear a bit of difference. Still, if it was a blind test, I don' think most people could tell reliably.
I wonder if a bit-cruncher would make a difference? It would be easy to dial back Dexed's fidelity to 12-bit and that might make it grittier, dirtier and closer to the Mk1 original.
in the vst's settings, theres an option to make it to emulate the sound of the 12-bit mark 1's sound engine, and it makes it sound much closer to the original
In the Kidsongs song "I Got Wheels", the Yamaha DX7 internal patches "Electric Piano 1" and "Bass 1" and Roland Juno-106 patch "Brass" were heard.
Thank you Woody! greetings from Brazil!
I found a soft brass, perfect for Wish You Were Here-Pink Floyd
Watching this you realise how mammoth an impact the DX had.
Amazing how the VST is almost similar to the DX7 !!!
your playing skills are great and this makes any sound comes alive . i enjoy just listening you playing
awesome to hear this feedback, big thx
where can i find these sounds preset? In dexed's library there aren't !!!
I was born in 1992, and I am proud to say that I recognized all the songs you played lol
So very close - I listened on headphones very carefully, and Dexed (for the price) certainly can't be beat! Unfortunately, what adds to to the complication in evaluating them side by side is that in Woody's demos the Dexed output is just slightly quieter than the DX7's output, which will make the DX-7 sound more "lively", and Dexed more "thin" and set back in the mix. If they were at exactly the same level, I think the comparison would have been closer. Also, if instead of playing live he had played a Midi file into each, that would have eliminated slight differences in playing. When I get my own Dexed virtual synth into my mixing panel, I'll add effects and probably an equalizer to sweeten the whole thing. As to whether it's a "perfect" emulation, to my ears it's wonderful, easy to work with, DEAD-easy to edit (compared to working directly with the DX-7's multi-function buttons) plus it's compatible with all the DX-7 SYX files one could want to scrape out of the web. For the Nth degree of warmth (as far as the DX-7 can be said to be warm (maybe arguably warmer than Dexed), one could always create a patch in Dexed, save it as a .syx and send it down to the DX-7. Lastly, the way that old PCs powerful enough to run Dexed are dirt cheap these days, one could build up a cheap stack of small form-factor desktops running Dexed (and other virtual synths) and save the cost of trying to find a TX-816. Well done to whoever created Dexed, they have reinvigorated interest in FM synthesis for a whole new generation.
thx for the comment! yeah, it's real important to match the levels, but it's harder than you think to get the same perceived volume. i use my ears and vu meter, but due to differences in frequency spectrum between the two, the volume can sound different depending on what system you are listening too. people tend to prefer loudness so it's something i pay attention to when mixing these comparisons. the playing is identical on dexed as I recorded the midi as i played the dx7, then played midi into dexed :) agree with all your praise about the plugin :)
I think also there's bound to be a different in perception re: loudness since your DX-7 is a Mk1 model (for which midi velocity 100 is the absolute max) whereas Dexed most likely adheres to the current MIDI standard where 127 is the absolute max, so a Mk1 DX-7 should sound 127/100 (multiplied by your playing velocity) more "live".
Effectively you'd have to strike the keys 27% more aggressively in DEXED for the filters to open up to the same extent as they do on a DX-7 Mk1.
I'm sure I'd encounter that if I loaded a voice designed for a Mk1 into my DX7IID - I'd likely need to "relax" the filter and other velocity-tracked values to allow them to track all the way to 127 rather than stopping/maxing out their effect when played at veloicity of 100, so they don't stop their effect there but continue to track all the way to the DX7II's real max of velocity=127.
I love your videos - you're dead keen and your enthusiasm is infectious.... and we both live in cold/cool Northern countries (Canada for me, Sweden for you). Cheers mate!
Hey, I love your videos, thanks for all the information and entertainment! Do you think the brighter dx7ii would sound more similar to the dexed plugin? I wonder how much of the sound difference comes down to the DACs in either device.
I am so gratefull that there are some good people that make this kind of stuff free for us. It doesn't sound exactly the same but c'mon it's a FREE Digital representation of the original. And it sounds very good.
omar, what's a free representation, what are you referring to?
Woody Piano Shack Not that they made the sounds up. Freeware as in you don't have to pay for the plug-in.... Representation because it's digital you know 1s and 0s
man, this demo is very helpful. thanks!!!
Hi Woody, I rarely comment on YT vids. Just wanted to let you know I subscribed because of your great vids on these awesome retro synths and for the Dexed VST comparison in particular. I'm an 80s kid and am getting back into noodling around on some synthwavey stuff for fun. Getting stuck into Dexed now. Thanks for the inspiration boost and keep up the great work! Cheers
glad you dig the channel, thx for the sub, cheers and good luck with the hobby!
I tried out Dexed myself today and have to say quite impressed. I have a TX7 with some presets I made years ago and they sound a lot more like the TX in Dexed than the conversion to FM8, which I think doesn't quite get the envelopes right. Theres also a slightly more woody less hifi sound in dexed which is nearer to the DX than FM8 and even any of the later DX's which polished up the FM a bit. Possibly in FM8 they didn't model the 8bit oscillators and dac in a bid to cater for all the more modern 6op patches ?
Had this on in the background and actually cracked up with the snippet from “Also sprach Zarathustra.” Not the riff I expected out of a DX7
You can tell the difference in comparison, but in a mix it would be difficult to tell unless it was the only instrument being played.
Now I have the DX7 in GarageBand. Great stuff. Thanks!
The most striking difference to me seems the analog filter on the DX7s (I've heard they have one), and it's emulation having a slightly higher cutoff(?) or just the fact that it's pretty darn difficult to properly emulate your average analog resonant filter in the computer domain (I'm studying Electronic Engineering and Digital Signal Processing is a big part of our curriculum). Or maybe it's something about the post-processing effects (reverb or sth). Apart from that, it's spot on and still seems very fun to play with.
Prepare yourselves for those elitist preaching how Dexed is not even close to the DX7. When THEY wouldnt even tell which is which in a mix. Things to remember: the original DX keyboard only recognized velocity up to 100. Dexed may be sounding brighter because the velocity is opening up the operator levels higher(brighter) than the DX7. Its also an extremely close...VERY close emulation that is FREE. The only one who could tell Dexed from a DX7 in a mix is Brian Eno. That is all.
i have a track using dexed coming out soon, and had i claimed it was a dx7 nobody would have questioned it. but those elitest do have a point, as a solo synth it does pack more power, dirt and warmth (you don't often hear that in the same sentence as dx7) than the vst. but making tracks with dexed is so much quicker and easier than with hardware, it's a tradeoff i'm willing to make!
john heath im not trying to be that guy, but i gotta say.. as far as the presets go i agree, dexed is satisfying enough. They are missing the raw dx edge, but they're as good as the dx7 if you want that classic sound. Sound design wise, ive owned a dx7 for ages and constantly compared it with fm7 fm8 px7 and one thing is for sure when you get serious into programming you just find certain "sweet spots" (ratios i guess) which just sound so much better on the dx7
The Dexed does sound thinner and it's not the velocity I'd say since the expression would be a lot different if you think about it, I'd say max velocity is maybe 100 on the old DX7 so 100=127 this means you get fewer steps ie. lower resolution.
KUPHSER
Agreed. Ive used the PX7. And some great sounds can be had on it. And its more straight forward to see how FM works. But having the hardware classic in front of you. Leads to spontaneous inspiration. That you just cannot replace.
a DX7 costs money. if people prefer it enough to shell out cash, then maybe they have a reason. maybe it's like the difference between getting take out and dining out. same food, sleightly different experience. Why do "they" bother you? I have dexed, and after seeing this video, I actually want an original DX7. I'd play with it, service it, and if I got tired of it, pass it on to someone else who finds the object fun to play with. I'm visiting a friend who has an RX5 drum machine and it's provocative and puzzling. These machines seem to taunt us. "Can you figure us out or are you stupid?" These hardware machines and their emulations are miles apart in terms of the way that they command human brain and body processing times. Both have their virtues. There are more than one way to see these things than the data sheet.
Close enough honestly, I'm certainly happy with it
i remember playing on the dx7 in music class back in 83
Excellent! The problem is how to get these very similar sounds in DEXED.
Excellent comparison!! DEXED does the job, no doubt about it, but...there's something missing from the original. (I'm not a purist, I intensively use VSTs), maybe the 12 bit thang, and the fact that the original only reached 100 on velocity, and the plugin can make sounds brighter, passing this threshold...anyway, as good or even better than comparing an Oberheim with the OPXII VST. :)
Cheers.
I'd like to hear Dexed bit reduced and run out through some external analog gear and a low pass filter. And then I note that free is not so free when one adds the computer and the rack gear. Happy medium? Experiment and program in Dexed, play on the DX7. :)
Perhaps also the age of the electronics affect that. Maybe the Dexed is a "perfect" DX7 with pristine "DACs"
No new DX ever sounded that clean I do think it's part of the original design, it's funny how limitations and flaws sometimes add to the sound.
It is not just the number of bits, there is also the architecture of the DACs. Modern DACs use over-sampling to reconstruct the waveforms and get rid of "junk" in the high frequencies. They are also much more linear than the old direct conversion tech. I wonder if there is also a sample rate difference.
I have original DX7, DX7 II FD, TX802, Dexed and DX7 V. Although I did not do a detailed (awesome like Woody) comparison I can tell you that there is quite a bit of dirt, noise, and I guess "digital warmth" coming from the original hardware components. I don't think any software or hardware manufacturer is really going to try recreate that today, at least not to that extent. The software is close enough in most cases, and convenient to have on your laptop. That said, I'm not getting rid of the old hardware boxes ;-)
If you can and if you are really into DX and FM, try to find at least one DX7 in a decent shape for a good price.
Thank you Woody! While there will always be differences this is an excellent emulation overall. I really enjoy your yt videos as they are very educational. Best of luck to you!
thanks goaway, couldn't agree more!
After I discovered Dexed, I dumped my FM7 and maybe that's why Native Instruments dumped it by its own as well. There is yet a slight difference between the two, specially on E.PIANO which on the DX7 sounds with more presence. Maybe it's a mix between narrower bandwidth from the amplifiers and even a bit of distortion. Nevertheless the sound coming from the DX7 is very nice and then maybe our ear memory from the tons of tunes that had the E.PIANO makes us feel biased to that exact match coming from the real thing.
When you have to wonder if you are really hearing a difference, I suppose then that it doesn't matter. I owned and still do, a DX7, still works just fine thank you. To my ear, and this is slight, but it seems the DX7 has a slightly warmer or fuller sound. The DEXED is slightly thinner with more edge. But this is so very slight. In a mix there would be very few that could pick out the real deal from the emulation. Whoever did this did a very good job indeed. But then, there's the ease of use which the emulation wins hands down. Just my two cents worth, but of course what with all the inflation we are experiencing, two cents won't buy much anymore lol!
I definitely hear a difference on the brass. The VST version sounds like the filter is quite a bit brighter. Might just be that the patch wasn't quite fine tuned and maybe if you lower the filter freq it will sound closer.
Only the VST even HAS a filter. The first few FM synths famously lacked any filter, believing that their more complex envelopes and algorithms could make up for it.
The brass at 0:48 is incredibly 80s, absolutely lovely! 😄
Got both, use both. I primarily use Dexed to program patches to send to the hardware. They sound almost identical in most applications, but there are some areas where the DX7 performs better, at least as far as I'm concerned.
Plus the DX7 allows portmanteau. I've spent hours looking over Dexed to find that feature.
Holy Crap - Technology is unbelievable - Sometimes we don't even realize it.
Seriously. I was just thinking about that the other day.
Amazing!
I have thousands of patches in hundreds of sysex files on my PC. I use Dexed to demo them before sending them to my DX7 via Midi OX. The key sensitivity is all the way up for the on screen keyboard.
Nice mix of tunage... went back to my childhood! :) I actually referenced this video for me getting an actual DX7IIFD for myself. Dexed is totally awesome if you don't want the hardware. I happen to like the hardware. First keyboard I ever recorded with. Thanks for the video!
Real close, Many differences fixed with EQ- the DX7 has more low end on several patches, pretty obvious here. none the less, sold my DX7 ages ago. Moved on to SY77, then SY99, then XS8, then M08 and never looked back- no nostalgia here as the new keyboards cover the old sounds more than adequately.
great video. You should of did the test blind just to show people they wouldn't know the difference between the 2.
thanks, interesting idea! something for the future maybe!
@@WoodyPianoShack Maybe repeat the video but play the sound of Dexed when you show the DX7 and vis-versa and see how many spot the switch :)
I can hear the difference, I used to program DX's.. Very selective on the sounds...you are showing...Thanks for sharing this.. for actual or programmers Do's and Don'ts
I am a guitar player but i'd love to learn keyboards. This sounds like a great emulation of the original. apart from subtle eq differences, i just hear that the original is detuned a few cents up in pitch.
Excellent ! regardless of any criticism you can't argue with FREE, also surprised Arturia came so late to the FM party.
i was waiting for something like this. thanks a lot!
Excellent, wish you gave a list of patches used, I've got 3000 to wade through...
i'm not sure if they're custom patches, but he shows the vst and it says it at the top of the window
I bought mine in 1984 at Sam Ash on 48th street... still works just fine! ;)
I assume these are not presets that come with Dexed? I would love to get these sounds but I have no clue how to program this beast, so have been searching for some nice presets to download! Amazing VST!
It's pretty much perfect. It just needs a little EQ dip at the top end to imitate whatever is happening in the hardware that dampens the tops.
The most major difference between the DX7 and DEXED is the fact that one is free while the other is not.
Another major difference is that the DX7 has a noise floor (newer digital hardware synths nowadays has much less), while DEXED is ultra clean.
It is all in the DX7’s DAC. Everything counts in small amounts🙃
I'd probably run the VST through some tape saturation plugin (FerricTDS is free as well) and it should help to create that full sound.
Well, I hear the plugin a little more opaque, and the DX7 sounds brighter and shiny, but you can solve it using the default Reaper EQ.
Nice video! I love Dexed. I have a Yamaha TX802 and can use Dexed on the go to create and modify patches and then send them to the 802. Highly recommend this plugin.
Other than some slight audio things like maybe volume or equalizer settings, they sound extremely similar to me. Maybe it's my ears, maybe it's my speakers but they sound VERY close to one another to me.
Thanks for the compare and all your videos!
cheers Dan, thanks for the encouragement
Man your playing is superb and those tones
thanks paul, really made my day!
5:26 Aw yeah, that Top Gun "Doonnnnnng" sound I was looking for!
I have this presets collection everybody seems to have. Now how am I gonna find out which preset is which iconic sound?
Yes, this is amazingly close. Cheers! S
DX7 é um computador antigo que faz cálculos. E o vst é um plugin pra um computador moderno fazer os mesmos cálculos. A única diferença de qualidade se deve ao circuito analógico do DX7 ser diferente do circuito analógico de um computador moderno. Ou seja, a única diferença é na equalização.
Yeah! It's those _vintage_ solid state transistor ICs in the old DX7 that sound So Much Warmer than any stupid computer can possibly sound.
Oh, Wait, this just in - the DX7 _IS_ a computer. And it had a way noisy output, if you actually _Like_ that sound.
I've used DX7, TX7, and TX802 many years ago. Also Juno 60, JX3P, and MKS80 (both ver 4 and 5). And I just got an SY77.
Today I fired up my FM7 and it sounded Really Really Good.
It's how you play your music that will sound _Good_ , _Just Boring_ , or _Bad_ .
Through my monitors the DEXED made bright tones with HF content sound duller up the high end of the keyboard.
But still a creditable facsimile.
Whether that had to do with the different processing, bits and bobs etc, I couldn't say.
Very, Very authentic sounds from the DeXed there. Only a couple didn't sound quite as bright/fat on the Dexed. All round... excellent. Nice bit of Hojo Bass in there :)
i absolutely love softsynths!
Do you own any hardware synths ?
Smiled with we built this city
Wow, I just learned about this plugin! Granted it's very difficult to emulate the warmth, the grittiness and the soft & noisy low-mids of an analog synth right out of the box, the fact that it's 100% free is truly fantastic. I've been looking forward to replace FM8 for years now, so this might be it then. Also, +1 for What A Fool Believes, long live Michael McDonald!
DX7’s aren’t analog mate...
awesome plugin i am definitely using it in my productions
Jeez woody you're some player. Deadly stuff.
Lol... Newsflash to vst haters: Your audience does not give a fuck if it's hardware or software. Focus on your chops and songs.
Exactly I see people dwelling on whether or not they should spend ungodly amounts of cash on hardware and I'm just here like If you're not famous, your music sucks or you suck at selling/advertising yourself it doesn't even matter if you own the hardware, the public does not give a shit and can't hear any difference. Then there's the purists talking shit about vsts when dudes who own vsts are actually making money from their music, while their videos titled "Track played with -insert hardware- -insert title of song-" and it has like 100 views, seriously it's becoming such a joke at this point.
Factssss
I totally agree. It's nice to have the hardware. It's nice for the musician but the audience could care less.
I over the snipers selections, Woody!
Great comparison! I have both these myself and I love Dexed for what it is and it's great for editing and making sounds, but the gritty output of the original cannot be touched! :)
tend to agree, although the convenience of a vst for recording tracks is hard to beat!
I can appreciate that position too. However, once I enable record on the track and just play the part into the DAW (if you use such a thing) the job's done! No need to render any track. In my studio that is actually faster than recording with a vst.
I guess you've enabled the "Mark 1" in the engine resolution in the parameters? It sounds more like a real DX7 this way, on contrary to the OPL series (which is experimental and envelopes "still needs tuning") or Modern:
from the website:
Dexed can be configured to use some of the original math limitation of a DX synthesizer. This does not
only apply to the DAC, it also involves the bit resolution of the sine waves and the way that the
amplitude is applied to each operator. Since all of this is experimental, multiple engines will be
available to be able to compare them easily.
Dexed comes with 3 engine types :
Modern : this is the original 24-bit music-synthesizer-for-android implementation.Mark I : Based on the OPL Series but at a higher resolution (LUT are
10-bits). The target of this engine is to be closest to the real DX7.OPL Series : this is an experimental implementation of the reversed engineered OPL family chips. 8-bit. Keep in mind that the envelopes stills needs tuning.
sorry I see in another comment you've used the "modern" engine.
wow - I'm impressed. I will definitely check it out.
Add a distortion/transformer plugin of your choice to get some rounding off on the top end as well as some dirt that the meanwhile old and rusty signal path from the DX7 has and voilà, you're there. If you insist on having the real deal then that's your prerogative. I personally prefer the software with all the benefits. For live I can just sample the sounds since this Synth isn't exactly a tweak-synth live anyway.
Very close, but not 100%.
A little bit of EQ and maybe some subtle tube saturation would get it closer i think.
absolutely! im blown away by it.
The E.PIANO1 sound does fantastic. I can't believe how many people think the FM8 version sounds better. Slicker guis make people deaf.
Great video man! & fellow Howard Jone's lover (and The Stranglers) .... A younger me would have perhapes went for the plug-in for being cleaner and better sn ratio ... But now I love the 'whole' part of the sound being 100% original with the higher noise floor and digital aliasing girth.
i find the main advantage of plugin is much easier to work with when composing tracks, otherwise you are messing around with midi and audio cables and interfaces. glad you like the video and my taste in music :)
It would be Great if there was a List for all the Songs that you have Played!
Yeah, agreed.
@@GrijzePilion when i saw the 1 reply i thought it was the list
@@loserfaceproductions same
The tuning is different between them. I think the Dexed version might be flatter Anyone else able to hear this?
FOCtv i was thinking the same! and lacks just a bit of midrange definition
FOCtv yes Dexed is definitely a bit flat relative to DX7 in this video. It is a bit jarring when you hear one after the other
Yes! You can hear it clearly on Toto - Africa.
I think it’s because the DX7 is tuned up a bit
2:48 - these two are the most noticeable for me. I agree there’s a flatness to the VST. Outside of the comparison I’d find it super hard to distinguish the two. One advantage of Dexed is probably the lack of self noise that most DX7s now have with age, however I think the noise can also be used as additional authenticity in tracks. (Or at the very least gated out during the silences)
Just bought a DX7 mkI. Tried it with multiple sysx, not only rom1a.syx. Indeed, sounds like E.organ1 that have a soft mellotron-like timbre sound pretty well with Dexed. At first I thought that the developer tuned the algorithm to comply with the original patch sounds. After trying many different sysx banks, it is evident that there is a loooot of difference, in presence, in harmonics (especially in decays and releases). I don't agree that there a little EQ or chorus or something difference. To me it's really a very very well-writted and well-mannered VST-open-source project and thanks to the developer for reverse-engineering this complex thing. For all out there loving the sound of DX7 mkI, just buy one, it's still cheap and, i could say, trust me, there is not an alternative. I also think in 10 years from now it would be juno-6 like category of synth collectors. (update: both are tested through the same mixer, with Adam A7X, and dexed is played through midi-out of the DX7 keybed)