PlayStation’s New Idea May Forever Change How Games Are “Played”
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- I go over the GOOD, the BAD and the UGLY when it comes to a patent Sony has filed that would let AI automatically play games for you, known as "Anticipated Grinding Content (AGC)". What are your thoughts on this if it actually comes to fruition? #ai #sony #playstation
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It’s important to watch most of this video because I go over many different points, both positive and negative, that this tech could be used for if it actually happens. Ultimately though it opens up a really interesting discussion that gets you thinking about the future of how people could “play” modern games.
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I'll do the mindless grinding myself thanks. At that point what's the point in having people at all if a robot can do it all 😆
oh cool we get to watch a movie ....
I think it needs to be restricted from online play, disable trophies, and be excluded from Hard mode (so it can only be activated on Easy and maybe Normal). Then it can be alright, I guess.
I was going to leave my own comment, but this pretty much sums up my thoughts as well.
Hot take. I would not mind sometimes to sometimes skip the confusing puzzles. Example, God of War Ragnarok. Some of the puzzles that I was too stupid to figure out, became not fun. I had to go to CZcams to watch someone online do it so I could do it. That is a waste of time. If I could push an AI or autoplay button to do it for me, that would have been better, for the few times in the game I had zero idea where to go next or how to do the puzzle to prroceed.
Just like everything else, I think it needs to be displayed and obvious when it is AI. I don't want to live in a world where you can't disinguish between AI and human.Maybe trophies can reflect that.
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I just want AI for NPC characters so we can all get unique responses.
i want that too, but mostly to ask, hey where can i find this place? the npc says, go right, then left then right and walk 200 meters, then if i get lsot again i can ask agian another npc
This feature could prevent game designers from making game that are grindy in the first place?
Really interesting discussion. Thanks!
I would have never thought of the disability advantage part. Great point, Pete! You are awesome 😊
Would be cool if you are able to play against yourself using AI. I could see it being interesting in fighting and racing games.
Wow didn’t think of a use like that
I was just about to comment that. Imagine having the equivalent of Killer Instinct "Shadows" in everything. Or having the abilitiy to grind out rewards like people were doing with the Towers in MK11 at launch where you'd just come up with the build and let the AI take over.
tekken 8 does something very close to that. they have you play some matches against AI and they try and make your “ghost” fight as similar to you as possible. Those who upload their ghosts to the servers allow people to download and practice against it. Fighting pro players ghosts is awesome
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This will probably get rid of let's play videos and hurt gaming channels.
If a 'game-completing AI' is monetized (did I say 'if'? I meant 'when', of course)... Since the days of arcades we paid money to play a game, but this is gonna be paying money to NOT play a game.
By the way I have Miled Cerebral Palsy and sometimes certain things can be difficult for me like button mashing for example so it can be a good thing for people like myself
Exactly. I’ve seen some articles and videos that only focused on the negative implications of this and not the positives such as accessibility.
@@PeteDorr right? Not all technology can be bad, I’ll further my example Pete my favorite game is the original Resident Evil 4 that game has a lot of button mashing QTEs Capcom didn’t account for the higher frame rate when they brought the game to 60fps and that made the game nearly unplayable for me especially on professional mode I had to by a third party Nintendo Switch remote with turbo just so I can complete the game. I have no issue with the original GameCube release I grew up with. So if this does become a thing I can see the positives and negatives but to me this can be a toggling option in an accessibility menu. Make it optional if you do that it can make everyone happy
What's the point of playing video games if you're not playing? I don't get the logic behind this even for disabtilites. The solution would be accesible controls or modified inputs for those wanting some ease of control, but just disregarding the content?
It can be a good and bad thing, what upsets me more about the game industry nowadays, there trying to get rid of Physical games and that’s just dumb, to me it’s like getting rid of physical books don’t do that! Anyway Glad you’re keeping us in the loop Pete!
Perhaps a mark for the accessibility angle: Making a challenging game more approachable for a younger audience. Assuming the game isn't for a mature audience of course, it might be nice for a kid to activate such a feature and still get the main events and story beats out of a game.
Another angle that might be neat is AI used to narrate in game text...story dialogue or otherwise. Or maybe auto translation of foreign languages?
Friction is a really important part of some game designs. If this sort of thing does catch on, it might completely change the way reward schedules are managed. It does get to the fact that games are such a unique media experience; everyone could understand skipping ahead to your favorite part of a book or movie, but it feels weird to let a game play itself when you could spend that time on a title you enjoy more. I look forward to seeing if this has an impact on the PlayStation 6 roulette wheel streams.
At that point, why even play the game to begin with, if you aren't going to actually play it? Might as well watch a movie.
Use the AI to watch how they did it, then reload your game.
Thanks for the video, Pete. You bring up the good point of this technology helping people who are physically unable to play through difficult portions of games. It's nice to see modern games accommodate to fans of gaming who deal with certain disabilities as it gives these folks a bit more of an option to physically play the game as opposed to watching gameplay on CZcams. Personally, as long as I am physically able, I'd like to be the one playing the games even if I struggle or lose constantly. I love the challenge and the grind.
I’m the same way. This is just a really interesting topic to think about for the industry. Even if this Sony-specific technology doesnt happen, the general topic of AI autoplay can open up some brainstorming for best use scenarios and practices for developers as well.
@@PeteDorr Indeed, we can only hope they use this technology for good. Haha.
I am frustrated when I get any help to complete a game, so I won’t use this feature unless I can’t find a solution after trying for days. In recent years, I only used help to complete the first “silent hill”.
We've had primitive examples of this since the 90's, although it was extremely rare to see back then. Looks like this is looking to take things a whole lot further, like what Nintendo has done in it's modern 2D Mario titles. I think it's going too far. It'd be a nice option for grinding levels in a jrpg, but that's where it should end. I mean, it's suppose to be a fun challenge to try and beat a game. If a game can play and beat itself, what is the point? You wouldn't want a puzzle that can complete itself, would you? I guess it could work if there were consequences for using it though, like you couldn't get certain rewards or get certain trophies if auto-play is used.
9:39 I sure hope not! Developer laziness is bad enough as it is.
12:02 Yes, this is another great point and I guarantee it's exactly what would happen to many people.
Like you said pros and cons. Great for accessibility but also great for more nefarious gaming for lack of a better word. Can I ace A song perfectly on easy and then have AI max all the Hard songs for me? I dunno. I think they should keep it away from competitive online, but for single player home use? Go for it!
Imo it should only be outlawed in multiplayer games, like botting in MMOs or aim bots in fps
Dragon Quest uses the auto feature and I enjoy that. But if it starts AI-ing more than that it might be too much
I don’t think AI should be allowed to be used in a PVP or competitive scenario. On the flip side if they want help me grind in DQ I’m good with it. I have a 2 and 4 year old so my gaming time is super limited right now. I can’t really play RPGs right now. If they can help with play my favorite genre again I’m all for it.
There is only one online multiplayer game I know that has AI controlled bots and that's the Mobile version of League of Legends (Wild Rift) if a player disconnects, remember this is a mobile game and mobile games especially 3D ones do on rare chances do crash, the game's AI will take over however there is an issue where if you return back to the game you can be in a random spot of the map also the player will be standing still for a second or two before they can move and figure out what to do. The AI isn't great, it only goes after threats that are present and scripted events depending on what's nearby n such, it can't pro predict jungle invades n make 300 IQ plays. That kind of AFK AI if someone lost connection is okay.
But having AI where the game is just beaten for you is just a massive NO NO! All players have to play the game on their own, there are easy modes for a reason and alot of JRPGs have a auto battle feature but it only happens when the player moves n triggers a random encounter so the player is still doing inputs but for the main battle they can just have the game script only just spam attack automatically or if the script director is good they use weakness spells etc.
As a general rule, if a game company can monetize something a solution instead of just making it better, they will. Ubisoft has been doing that for years with xp boosts for games they deliberately made grindy. That said, I have a child and very little time for games. I would use the hell out of this if I hit a wall (I only play single player)
As an accessibility feature I think its a fine thing, do hope its not monetized because that would change the design philosophy of games to better match those mmos.
I personally wouldn't use AI for gaming, more of a fan of programming the automation myself FFXII or Unicorn Overlord style. But I can see how it could be useful for accessibility. Just hope it isn't monetized because paywalling a service for accessibility needs would be pretty messed up.
This reminded me of watching games of madden on simulation mode with friends and pretending it’s a real football game lol
I'd be willing to let AI dodge the lightning for me in FFX. I don't think I have it in me to do that anymore. Definitely don't think it should be allowed in online multiplayer though.
Making games more accessible for everyone is always welcomed but other than that this will make me feel like games will just not be fun to play overall.
True, but there’s a huge group of people that would also argue that this would make games more fun for them by bypassing the “non-fun” parts. This isn’t my personal mindset, but I can understand how that’s a positive for many people as well.
@@PeteDorr for me they just need to make games that not have those “not fun” parts.
so waht if i dont want to play the game? whats ur problem with the way I have fun?
Are you asking me? This is something I address and agree with you on only a few minutes into the video. People should be able to play how they want.
Imagine implementing AI to essentially play the game for you, but the game is so riddled with bugs (like many games) that the AI gets stuck and can't progress lol.
One good thing would be helping games that die too fast online by adding unique bots.
Hey Pete, this already exists with CHEAT software. Not easy to cheat software on modern consoles at least thougfh untl they are hjacked open. one reason I fullygave up on online pc competitive gaming, the cheats are out there day 1 opr 2 for games on pc, it is really gross.
Instead of employing AI to help us get through tedious portions of games, I'd rather see game developers work on eliminating tedious portions.
I mean AI could do all my trophies 🏆 for me lol once ive finished playing to get me a plat if i hate the trophies 😂. I can see AI in games more i just dont know to what extent its warrented it opens up new possibilities and discussions but like you say could be bad
They are not gonna allow ai autoplay in competitive online play, dont worryb a about that.
No "all right hey guys"? ;(
Way the whole world's going, why grind. Sit back, live unconsciously
first 2 sec in and i am like,.. so basically you buy a game so it can play it self,... gosh thats dumb as hell
What if AI use disables achievements earned in gaming
Games for people who don't wanna play games. LOL.
Getting stuck or frustrated is part of gaming. I don’t like this.
the argument against this in multi-player competitive games is a mute point. Everybody is already cheating or hacking anyway especially in cod.
It’s a good point, but this will esentially make it so everyone and anyone can achieve similar results without needing to look into alternative means like literally hacking and cheating methods. Saying “everyone” is obviously not true, especially on home consoles. Hackers and cheaters often get found out and banned and people wouldn’t want to risk it normally. The easy solution is to not make this feature possible in online competitive games and only allow it in single player amd non versus co-op content.
@PeteDorr true but if everyone has the same ability to activate ai everyone is on equal footing again. basically cheats canceling each other out.
I think everyone is looking at the Negative Extremes... why would anyone play Call of Duty if the Enemy Team could just turn on AI? I think Activision wouldn't implement it just because it would push players away. SONY is trying to get more and more people to play the game. I think the whole "AI Plays Your Games." Is for people playing a Single Player Game, they're at this one boss, they can't beat it, then the game uses AI to beat the boss for you so you can continue the story. If it's done right, and I can turn it off 100% and never use it, it doesn't bother me. Why would someone else beating Sekiro with AI bother me when I don't use AI to beat Sekiro? Who cares? Until it affects me, I don't care how other people play their games.
Probably just another way to monetize , but we will have to see. Speed running will have to be verified no AI shit or have all new categories all together. Personally using AI for "speed runs" is against the real appeal of them. They may not use it all. Patents are made all the time. Very interesting. I agree, make sure you're making your game fun and we won't need this crap.
I was going to mention speedruns in the video but figured it was a bit too niche to get into. I’m assuming when the autoplay is turned on there will be a big obvious identifier on the screen somewhere that says so.
@@PeteDorr right. In most of these situations I'm more excited for the disabled players who this may help anyway.
Alright hey guys
Having an ai grind and farm for items for me in a dungeon, saving after every battle in case it dies, and using/not using items based on a player's parameters sounds like a godsend for completionists. Letting the game grind while I'm doing chores or making food, really good for an adult. Retro rpgs would actually be a thing a modern adult could see through to the end!
It’s good to see comments like this that go against the grain. I do think most people will generally be against “autoplay” features there’s also a large audience that would love features like this. I’m definitely a “I gotta do it myself” kinda person but scenarios like what you mentioned are definitely a real thing for lots of people too.
Letting AI "do the hard part" is a total pussy move. No, you fail that fucking section until your soul bleeds, but God dammit, when you win it will feel SO GOOD.
For sure, beating the games yourself is the way to go, but at the end of the day there will be lots of people that would take advantage of an “easy pass” in a particularly challenging section if it means they can continue to play and enjoy the rest of the game. They may not admit to doing it, but plenty of people will. Maybe turning off the ability to earn trophies or achievements for anyone that messes with “autoplay” for those segments. That way there’s no way to “fake” earning such feats others earned normally.
It sounds like a ridiculous concept, being so lazy you have AI playing the damn game for you. It literally defeats the entire premise of playing a video game. Better yet, just watch a let's play if you don't have the nerve or patience to play a game yourself.
What the actual fuck is the point of playing the game then😂
Watching movies at that point 😆
but i already have a turbo button on most ways to play it dragon quest
This video isnt just about RPGs and Dragon Quest, just one of many examples.
I dont agree with this at all.
No they don't stop over exaggerating things
Sony is a joke these days, huh?
imagine a fully automated twitch stream with ai gameplay and commentary 💀
It will definitely become a thing at some point and probably sooner than we think. Not sure who would watch that though.
@@PeteDorraren't there ai twitch anime streamers..so weird lol
youtube lets players are on suicide watch after seeing this
I'm not a fan of autoplay, but sadly I feel it's inevitable with the way the industry is going. :(
This isnt helping the stereotype of sony games being glorified movies lol
lmao so basically every game is now in "give me a story" easy mode
Honestly i feel its a non issue. I used to ask my mom to beat the bosses on my sega game. Same vibe.
Anyone who’s used AI extensively will know how hit and miss it is. I predict this will be a disaster.
Sadly this aint far off with what could happen, Cheats over the years have gotten so easy to hide man, It used to be just a blatant as hell aimbot that'd fill up the feed with headshots, But now they have a cheat called "Artificial Aiming" and its exactly what the name implies, Its an aimbot that can make you look like a legit player, It comes with a slider to set how "Obvious" you want the aimbot to be as well, We're literally one step away from Never being able to tell whos cheating or whos not..
The closest thing to AI cheating for you is the "Rewind" feature in racing games, it's cheating plain & simple. I refuse to use that feature as you are only cheating yourself, instead of getting better by trial & error like real racing.
I would compare this potential feature to this scenario: Imagine a nation-wide mandate was passed that would barre employers from penalizing employees for missing work. In other words, take off work whenever you want and only suffer the financial repercussions but maintain absolute job security. That would be awesome, wouldn’t it? Well it would indeed be awesome, but it would also become a big problem for most people that lack impeccable self control. For most people, it would lead to laziness, lack of motivation, and being poor. Every time you have a morning where you just don’t feel like getting out of bed, you wouldn’t. Hopefully you get the idea
Well people started letting people play their games in the form of watching streamers lol. This is natural progression at its finest. Il be into my backlog permanently when gaming isnt gaming anymore and i have plenty to finish
Thats not gaming, thats like watching a stream.
Noo thanks sony
I hate this idea. Its going to ruin trophies/achievements and online multiplayer. Ever struggle with a hard boss, just have AI beat it… that defeats the whole purpose of playing the game in the first place. There has to be major restrictions to using AI autoplay to at least fix achievement and leaderboards as well as pvp!
If they want you to let AI play it, it shouldn't be in the game in the first place. poor design
no theyre not. AI is just a buzz word to create interest
But games are already allowing autoplay in the industry, is it really not possible it makes itself more mainstream in more genres and consoles outside of MMORPGs and mobile games?
Overblown, dont care
So you don’t care about the positives this technology could open up for others?
@@PeteDorr I am a physically disabled gamer with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and the answer is still a no. I'm not against it, i just really don't care what Sony is going to do with AI regarding games on their system. I will play my games nevertheless. With or without AI.
@@KaguyaTheStrangeUnderstandable thanks for clarifying. I think most people hold a similar sentiment as yours when it comes to just playing and ignoring features not made for them. Just an interesting topic for the industry is all, gets you thinking about the future for modern games.
@@PeteDorr I understand, i didn't leave my comment as a negative towards your video about the subject. I'm just personally growing tired about AI as a subject.
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