The Beginners Guide to PowderCoating Wheels from a REAL shop
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- čas přidán 18. 12. 2022
- In this video, we go over how to powder coat wheels from start to finish and what it would take to start a powder coating business. Who knew powder coating wheels could be so profitable?
If you are looking to take it to the next level in your blue collar industry, follow along as we meet with experts in their field and go over the tricks of the trade and what it takes to make it to the top!
I am a little older than the folks in this video and spent a career surrounded by people that love to dish on OSHA and pretty much any safety rules......because they are tough and not dead yet.
Soooooo many of them have issues later in life. Respiratory issues, cancers, tinnitus, scars, missing digits, etc.
I don't really care about OSHA, but I do care about myself. When I am 80....I will still be welding, machining and doing things because I was able to avoid the hazards over decades.
Well said. I was lucky to have several shop teachers and mentors that preached this same thought. They were all healthy old men with all of their fingers and straight backs. No job is worth my health.
Cool video. A few things I'd probably do differently but nothing too major. I'll post my thoughts mostly for the benefit of those just getting into the game since this video is targeting beginners. As a fabricator/coater myself, I've also dealt with around 30 different powder coaters over the years in an attempt to handle some of our overflow work, that more often than not ended up with us having to fix all their mistakes. Unfortunately there are too many ignorant, egotistical, and downright shady people in this business. The industry is really in need of good honest people who care more about a building a good relationship with the customer than just extracting the dollars in that customer's pocket. So here goes.
First, I'd use a better blast media; coal slag leaves a pretty wimpy surface profile for the powder to grab hold of, is about the slowest cutting media and can't be recycled since it pulverizes into dust so quickly that it will hardly cut after the first use (also reduces operator visibility as seen in the video). Plus it embeds itself in the metal which calls for extra work to remove (hence the sandpaper reference). I have dealt with one coater who does a lot of work for the automotive industry, who absolutely refuses to spray anything that was blasted with coal slag (Black Beauty). About the only thing attractive about it is the price, which when compared to the more legit, recyclable medias is actually costing quite a bit more over the long haul. We are looking at a stainless steel grit that can be recycled 10,000 times, cuts 3x faster than coal slag, has zero dust and no transportation/disposal costs besides the first and last use.
Second, I'd use a pretreatment such as iron or zinc phosphate or zirconium oxide after blasting to wash all that slag dust off the rims and add at least 1000 hours of salt spray resistance to the end product. All that brake dust and, if you live in a snowy area, salt on the roads is going to be working overtime to destroy all your hard work through galvanic corrosion. Plus a pretreatment is going to significantly increase your bonding by chemical means instead of relying solely on your blast media to create a physical bond. It's something that barely costs anything besides a couple of minutes to apply, yet could easily add several years or more to the life of the product.
Third, I'd just be more careful with the parts after they were blasted and outgassed and are ready to be sprayed. Especially about handling the parts with bare hands, all those salts and oils are just being put right back onto the rims. Those are the areas where the coating is going to fail eventually. It's going to corrode beneath the powder coat. Nitrile gloves are too cheap and effective to go without. Also, I would think the guy would grind the hooks and cart for grounding before the wheels are hung...guess where the shavings are going all over?
Finally, other people have mentioned PPE already so yeah...given the choice, are you going to trust your parts to someone who doesn't care about their own health, or someone who cares enough to take a few seconds to protect it? Also, the stuff laying around outside might send the message that attention to detail isn't your forte. Just a thought.
Overall, good video and thanks for posting it.
TLDR: Paying a bit more up front can make you or your employees significantly more productive and therefore profitable, plus make your customers happier.
Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed response, J Rose! I appreciate your expertise and insights. You bring up some great points about improving the powder coating process and making it more effective and durable.
Regarding the blast media, I agree that using a better media like stainless steel grit that can be recycled and has zero dust is a good idea. It would result in a better surface profile for the powder to adhere to and would be more environmentally friendly.
Using a pretreatment like iron or zinc phosphate or zirconium oxide after blasting is also a great suggestion. It would help to wash off any remaining slag dust and increase the salt spray resistance of the coating, which is especially important for parts exposed to harsh road conditions.
I completely agree with your point about being more careful with the parts after blasting and outgassing. Wearing nitrile gloves and being mindful of handling the parts to avoid transferring salts and oils would help to prevent corrosion and ensure a longer-lasting coating.
Lastly, safety is always a top priority in any workplace. Taking the necessary precautions to protect oneself and the environment is crucial. I will make sure to emphasize the importance of proper PPE and attention to detail in future videos.
Thank you again for your feedback and suggestions!
@@callusedcash steel grit is also a bad choice of blast media as the steel embeds itself within the aluminium and can lead to rust
Excellent points. I’ve been using coal slag and I’ve been having problems with rough surface particles in the finished product. I’ll be using aluminum oxide to see how that works.
@@accuratealloys we use 100# ali oxide at the shop and works a treat with the right blaster
I would use garnet
Nice work! As a guy who is interested in powder coating I learned a few new things - the Dinse grounding plugs, cleaning the tip of the gun, checking ground quality with a multimeter and the tricks to 'coating hot.'
As a retired manufacturing consultant, you're doing fine. You state your goals going in and you do them. You've identified the 'next step' in DIY video - there are lots of powder coating videos, but this one shows how a real shop does, how pricing has to work, what it takes to be a pro - shooting hot, careful masking, understanding faraday.
As for affirmations, what's not to like? Corey was obviously not intimidated by 'the boss lady' being there, so you're not faking your genuine self.
May the video gods smile on you
Thank you for your kind feedback! I'm glad you found the video helpful and learned some new powder coating techniques. Your encouragement and recognition of the practical aspects of the process mean a lot. I'm committed to providing valuable content, and it's great to know that someone with your manufacturing expertise appreciates it.
I also want to give a shout-out to Cory - teamwork is essential in our videos. As for what's coming up next, I'm excited to announce that our next video will delve into the fascinating world of polyurethane flooring. Stay tuned for more insights and practical tips! Your support motivates me to keep creating quality videos. Thank you once again, and here's to more successful videos ahead!
Been running my own powder Coating business since 1993,never advertised your work is all the advertising you need provided you do quality work. Enjoyed the video
Appreciate you!😄
Im not in the powder coat business but 100% of my handyman business is word of mouth. Im here educating myself because my 17 yr old son is wanting to get into powder coating.
I have powder coated for many years, and never even thought about doing it at home. Awesome setup!
Using that acid with no PPE is so dangerous. Using it with out a mask is insane, the MSDS says to not inhale the fumes
Well thank you Mr OSHA!!!!!
@@scottyfiveo1 it’s common sense.. that stuff was used as chemical warfare weapons in ww1. She was talking about how bad it was affecting her in the video lol
@@scottyfiveo1 don't gotta be OSHA to know spending time hovering around methylene chloride is a mistake.
@@bikebuildsmx9496 none of these chemicals were used in ww 1
@@bikebuildsmx9496 phenol, formic acid, methylene chloride, and hydrofluoric acid are what is in b17
Wow! The trailer will surely be looking great with what you're doing. Can't waithes to see the finished pro
Great presentation. You told a story, covered all the angles with b-roll. Retained a good pace the whole time.
Well done, best of luck with the channel.
Thank you so much! Hope you keep watching!
Awesome video.
She’s smart, business savvy and gorgeous! My goodness gracious!
I actually really enjoyed this content and yeah all the haters in the comments about the ppe part of things are right but maybe not all of em realize the fact that you did clearly mention that ppe was set aside for video purposes only so ya know it is what it is and way I see it everyone is in charge of there own ppe ultimately and ive been one who's obviously ignored it in my past but now on verge of 40 I tend to rethink those things now and it's definitely nothing to take for granted. That bs all said you've now have gotten yourself a new subscriber and I appreciate the number crunching on this process and have been thinking hard about getting into powder coating myself. Spent last 10 yrs as an industrial painter and sandblaster so if I can learn powder coating that just be another plus towards my own goals of a shop asap! Thanks for sharing 👍
So glad you enjoyed it! Really appreciate your input
Very commendable! Really enjoyed the information on the process of powder coating. Well done 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video and you got to love her since of humor
ENTJ!! Never thought I would hear that on a CZcams channel!! Way cool
Thanks for sharing and looking forward to more videos!
More to come!
lots of good tips, thanks!
TNX guys, really appreciate ur share of business how to!
Thanks for watching!
Understandably there are and always will be negative or constructive criticism but other than some of those that I agree with this was a great video, I like the positive get to the point personality! Great work to you and your team.
This is great, subscribed!
Welcome aboard! We are about to post another video so I hope you check it out!
18.25 what are u using ? Is it clear coat or what . Love the finishing
Thanks for the cost breakdown. Was overhead or the electric bill included in those numbers?
Oh bro did you miss the 6 to 8 inch joke lol 😆
I caught it lol
Really interesting how it is done in a large workshop for painting.
I always started on the back of rims, because of the wrap powder does...and for faraday cage areas I turned KV's down to get in those areas..and wear gloves when you're touching clean parts...I would like to see paint thickness on those wheels...looks thick...
Seems you know exactly what you are doing fella, Unfortunatly am a bit deaf so I could only watch what you were doing, I am going to try it on a small scale eg powder coating. I watched Eastwoods video and another video but yours seems to be the way I want to do it. Thanx for the video it was well done and all the bugs seamed to be Ironed out regarding the tight spots on the rims. ta ta.
Very interesting and informative video. The one thing I didn't like was after cleaning and drying you kept touching the "clean" wheels with your bare hands. Your hands have oils on them (even if they feel dry). I acetone what I plan on powder coating (or just painting) and then out gas. Always use gloves when touching anything clean if you plan on coating (be it powder coat or just painting ). Just FYI. Thank you for the video.
Great tip! Thanks for sharing
Never realize how much work went into powder, coating a wheel!!
It is a lot! But hopefully we managed to show that it is pretty doable.
How are you not able to sand the most minor curb rash out?
At the end, I sub’d and liked because of the end. Made me laugh. Video is dope because it shows the process start to finish. But being so matter of fact about how easy this is, comes off pretentious because you have a giant shop with everything and then some that could do more than powder coat. Allot of cross pollination here with having a fabrication shop to create what you need at will.
While a person could scale it down, you’re not going to optimize it enough into a garage at home. You need a dedicated shop, time on the job to make quality work(and learn from quality mistakes), and you need all the equipment. Unless you know what you’re doing to begin with, that’s a gamble on 125k only to have the dude with a shop down the road take all the business because he’s been doing quality work for decades. Marketing yourself will take you places, your work is what brings them back and other. Get a blast cabinet, get a powder coat oven, get the powder coat gun, and start practicing on everything and anything.
as to optimization. Could having a smaller oven for smaller batches save significant money on the heating cost? If having multiple ovens and carts of differing sizes adds too much complexity, can you come up with products that could be put into the oven along with small custom batchs, so as to maximize time and heating energy cost? If wheels are a common item being processed would having roll of stickers for the inside instead of custom cutting tape save more money in labor than the stickers cost, saving money and speeding up production?
Also, it woukd seem, documenting OSHA violations on social media could be a potentially expensive buisness practice. Very expensive, even years later.
What's Curb rash?
KINDA LIKE RUG BURN I RECON.
What is the liquid in the first tank?
I've lived in a big city. I'd say you were lucky to have not realized that particular dream!
Counting my blessings every day!
Any one , what kind of acid they are using?
This video shows it like it’s simple.
That was the goal!
How should we proceed?
just a heads up because i know your the owner, we have a strict policy on touching with fingers after sand blasting
What was the name of acid?
How do you work 52 weeks a year?
He’s thinking “I don’t make that like of money?!”
Good evidence for OSHA. Wear that darned PPE!
😂 when she asked about the rust
Touching raw parts blowing air on parts and no degreaser prep mmm to the pros you know a good shop from bad that what makes it
What is the name of the machine they use to check the ground?
Ohm meter
Exactly!
Just lick the metal u dont need a machine for that.
I loved the video. Would you be interested in doing a collaboration video with us?
9 hour days 52 week year. Never day off
Do you get your jeans off the same rack lol
In that heater room, can it double as a cremation room, asking for a friend.
No
PPE PLEASE
Yikes .... Oh BOOYYY
Hi I also work in this job I have 10 years internship, can you hire me⁉️ Citizen of Uzbekistan
pretty lady
CREEPER ALERT!
Stating REAL in all caps then displaying this level of coating seems contradictory.
Shooting hot is for kids in their garage.
Masking the hub bore then cutting the tape to expose the only place that for sure shouldn't get powder on an OEM wheel is wild.
Also your numbers are pretty wild.
I'm concerned with someone stating they work in metal fabrication who can't tell the difference between aluminum and steel. It seems like your intent with the video was good but a lot of it really missed the mark.
Any chance your willing to explain the correct ways of doing this to us? Im truly genuinely just curious to know due to wanting to learn as much as possible about this process, thank you!
@@mattleggett5609 what questions would you like me to answer? My channel is loaded with valuable information for coating. There are a few others out there as well
Why would you pay that much if you could just buy new rims for less?
There you go breathe some of that good ol you tube money. You'll feel it later .
The energy to get that huge oven up to 450° ☹️
Nothing is free.
Nice people, but for your own sake, please make your staff wear PPE. These industrial processes are no joke.
No primer coating ?!😮 wtf
coated hub bore is a no-no, very hack type of work
Taped it off
@@martinflores9382 no they taped it off. Then cut out the only part that actually needed tape
@@UnknownCoatings I love your channel ! You’ve helped me a lot with my mobile business
You sure are right 13:59 motherfucker
Shaking the gun like that actually wastes material. Lack of PPE would cost me my job where I work. You step into a booth without a mask and it's your job, gone.
10 hr day 7 days a week and 52 weeks a year, you peel out all those BS numbers. Considering the lack of PPE, that guy would be dead from over exposure running your numbers.
Wow, no mask
It is much cheaper to just buy new wheels
Nice set of Wheels for sub 500?? Where?
Damn too much shit just to powder coat
Whats curb rash? Its what women cause while parking. 🤣🤣
She likes to talk for the purpose of talking
Idk how bad exactly the acid is for ur health and ur skin but I'd say it's pretty bad. I've dealt with professional wheel cleaning acid with no PPE and I have several scars on my arms and face where it burned my skin and idk shit about powder coating so I can't talk about bad technique and bad advice but it makes total sense to not coat the center of the wheel for sure and PPE would be a great idea to make ur employees wear cause it's a lawsuit against u if they get hurt I guarantee that and it's ur livelihood that OSHA will fk with when they shut u down for not making protecting ur employees and their health and safety MANDATORY FOR SURE. It only makes good sense to protect ur health and safety duh 🙄🙄🙄
Very very bad advice and bad logic and whoever taught you how to powder coat needs to refund you, both just making up your own very bad advice. So many No No No's in this whole video.
Can you elaborate on why please, and for my own awareness basically?
The owner should keep a copy of this video, so in 20 years when some sleazy attorney tries to do a class action suit, they have evidence of all the safety protocols that weren’t followed. Our insurance rates affect everyone and continue to go up because people as a whole pay the price for what the minority do. The acid dip had pallets and stuff laying around. “A bad trip” could be considered to fall into an acid tub. No masks were ever worn for the off gas of the acid tank. That’s probably not good for your lungs. The guy blew out the spray tank to remove the white dust without any mask as well. She did some quick arithmetic on the amount of money that could be made based on his hours worked. Now apply those hours worked to the exposure to all of the safety concerns the viewers mentioned. This isn’t just about OSHA. Kids watch these videos. Ignorance and stupidity are two different characters of audiences. I work in an industry that when safety isn’t followed, you usually don’t come home.
On a positive note, she did call out the fact that PPE wasn’t worn. It was sad that she mentioned hiding it through editing. The guy was very knowledgeable and the rims turned out nice.
Too cool for masks, gloves, or glasses I guess. I bet they'll be wishing they had worn PPE when they're explaining to their kids or grandkids why grandma or grandpa can't come to the graduation because they're stuck in the hospital with lung cancer or a myriad of other health issues. This is a pretty great video, but seeing as you're making this video for beginners, you have a responsibility to show them the proper use of PPE as well.
Please stop saying rims. They're not rims. They're wheels.
I just cringe watching this and not seeing any breathing masks nor eye protection.
Annoying music!! NEXT!
The young woman is so annoying to me.
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