"Professor Dave" Farina's "Appeal to Motive" Fallacy and Double Standard on Not Knowing
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It is really tragic to see so many people conned by James Tour.
“I don’t know” is the _only_ correct answer if you don’t know something. It isn’t god of the gaps to acknowledge your ignorance of a thing. God of the gaps is when you claim that the ignorance is divine knowledge, like you do James.
Farina brought mountains of research to your debate and you literally ignored every single word of it. That wasn’t a debate, you were displaying an act of cowardice throughout and it was absolutely disgraceful to the human race.
and people who say "he only read the heading/title of the research paper" have not read the research paper at all.
I dare them to watch farina's fact check video on this debate.
The level of self projection and irony in this statement is off the chart. You missed the entire point of the video.
@@BenRudolph and you’ve just insulted me. That’s it. “Well you’re dumb.”
C’mon, how is it projection? Let’s talk about it.
@@BenRudolph It seems you missed how Farina said 'i dont know' period. Tour had to go out of his way to add the 'as a scientist' because he as Tour do use the god of the gaps.
“When you say you don’t know, does that mean there’s a God of the gaps there?” No. It means the opposite. He isn’t pretending to know the answer.
The difference between a professor and someone who identifies as one.
Underrated comment lmfao !
Lol, fun comment. Here, you give WAY too much credit to professors, however.
@@seankennedy4284 I know for sure, having that title myself.
Love it! 2 2 funny
Tour makes professors look bad. Dave is correct, he projects a professional demanor but then hides his belief in a personal God behind it to push his beliefs. Dave just called out the sneaky tactic.
Wow it impresses me how childish of a behavior Farina has got
Haha but James screams at him? You are funny
And your thoughts on the yelling, screaming preacher named James (and to clarify, I would call them both childish, in a very American debate)
@@grojunge2449 Its not childish to raise your voice.
@@MiltonRosso Raising your voice isn't childish.
@@benjy288 It damn sure is.
He believes in freely calling Dr Tour a liar rather than refute his arguments.
How can you refute straight up lies though?
Ad hominems are the weapons of insecure people.
@@Jacob-ge1py If a claim is actually a lie, it ought to be fairly easy to refute unless the topic is a cosmic mystery. The deeper truths of the cosmos and the human psyche have been and will be debated into perpetuity. There's no side that is certain. So people choose for themselves what to embrace regardless of what others think. Personally, to keep things simple, I love and trust in Jesus, not as a religion but as a personal practice. Others are free to think otherwise.
@@xrxs1020 Dave and many others do easily refute Tour's lies. the entire scientific consensus is against Tour, that's why Dave brings scientific papers and Tour brings chalk. The science has already been done, there's nothing left to prove, Dave has the evidence in his hand but Tour refuses to acknowledge it. The only genuine disagreements on the topic are exactly which of the many proposed and valid chemical pathways are the most likely. To say that we're clueless and therefor there must be a God, is a massive leap away from all the work that has been done.
He did, you just did not hear it. Fortunately for you, the debate is online. Please visit it once more
Wow. I didn’t realize he had so little self-respect
Nope, Dave won this debate even with all the ad hominem attacks. 😂😆
Tour is a charlatan who’s on the Discovery Institute’s payroll. Dave was right in calling by out his BS.
@@rikardotsamsiyu Thanks for commenting and helping Tour with the youtube algorithm.
@@rikardotsamsiyu uhmm okay😂😂
Troll
"So little self-respect" ???
What, like being honest, and trying to be accurate about describing his beliefs?!
You are a fool. A nasty piece of work.
Are you a Christian? Is that your boasted charity, humility, humbleness?
Looking at Farina here I remember my 8 year old neighbor.
You’re neighbor must be a genius
😂😂😂😂❤
@@SnapdragonAtheistso you think the fake biology "professor" is a genius😂😂😂 well I would say you're in "good" company! 😭 Birds of a feather and all 🤣🤣🤣
@@jimhughes1070 you’re stupid enough to call him a fake professor when he taught at an accredited university, yet when James throws a tantrum during a debate, and says that he will deny evidence against his religion, then does just that you think he took this debate in good faith.
@@jimhughes1070 also, the short is stupid because James claims that he doesn’t use the god of the gaps fallacy when he objectively believes in a god, while Dave actually answers the question instead of lying.
Dave is childish and not too intelligent.
Which is why he has a masters in science education?
@@SnapdragonAtheist They hand those out to atheist secular shills. Dr Tour is a highy decorated scientist and "dave" is a run of the mill skeptic clown
@seanbean5880 but, he is not a PhD and yet claims to be a professor. Along with an unmatched level of snarky arrogance that blatantly goes against the true meaning of science. Science is discovery,.questioning everything we know and trying to prove it wrong. Dave is simply not someone I trust. Can he teach out of a textbook? Yes. So can I. Can he think like a scientist. Not as far as I've seen,.no.
@@joemcmurtrey1 Watch his video on why he chose that name instead of being triggered
The audience was handpicked by Tour and kept booing at everything he said throughout the whole debate. Of course he’s gonna break at some point
Grad school dropout vs. world renowned scientist.
World renowned?
He didn’t drop out. He has a masters degree and even taught chemistry at the college level.
Athiests are not very bright.
@@dennisivan85where?
@@dennisivan85 you used so many pretty words that you forgot what they mean
This is why two people of completely different calibers can’t “debate” Dave was in over his head and was backed into a corner so he resorted to this
It's actually much worse... He's been shouting his BS for months!🤣🤣
Nope, Dave won this debate even with all the ad hominem attacks. 😂😆
Tour is a charlatan who’s on the Discovery Institute’s payroll. Dave was right in calling by out his BS.
Perhaps when you know nothing about chemistry, when the only piece of reliable information is who "looks" like their winning, you can walk away thinking James had the upper hand.
However he didn't. He made the firm claim that researchers are "clueless" and basically know nothing about the formation of amino acids. Once Dave proved him wrong all he did was argue that they weren't in homochiral form. This is a form of shifting the goalpost. He said we didn't know anything about amino acids formation, and Dave never said he knew everything, merely that we aren't clueless and know more than James thinks. This is why Dave kinda sorta won (it was very close though.)
@@MiltonRosso 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@rikardotsamsiyu dang, delusion must be like "epidemic"... None of the papers that Dave cites, disprove the "actual" scholars claims... But instead solidified his claims of deception... Sad that Dave was allowed to shout down attempts to shed light on what was actually written in the papers... But you already know that...
dave claimed all of james claims were done before in the lab, yet when challenged on the blackboard to prove his claims, he refuses and just waves some papers and shows some slides. what a clown
He doesn't understand the papers he presented and can't write the chemistry to debunk Dr Tour's... His yt scripts have many 'expert contributors'. I would have been kinder but his words, attitude and arrogant stupidity, throughout this debate, proved he's an absolute🤡💩, not deserving of my compassion🤠
That's because he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. All he understands is the titles of the papers and some of the abstract notes. Hence why that's the only part of any paper he references. He has no clue what the actual "science" says about anything.
He doesn’t have a photographic memory of 100+ papers, he isn’t gonna be able to show the whole process on a 15x5 blackboard for the whole class to see what then could have understood from a single paper. You guys move the goalpost so often smh.
@@grojunge2449 Dr Tour gave him at least two equations, with opportunity to discuss/debunk... He didn't even try cos he is either 1) ignorant, or 2) incapable - you may decide which option applies😂🤣😂
@@mariag3605 look, you either understand it or not. Einstein understood physics and calc. very easily. Yet he didn’t know the speed of sound at sea level to memory, do you understand what I’m saying?
Dave clearly loves public humiliation.
... of Tour?
Nope, Dave won this debate even with all the ad hominem attacks. 😂😆
Tour is a charlatan who’s on the Discovery Institute’s payroll. Dave was right in calling by out his BS.
It's a kink
@@rikardotsamsiyu oh, a proven fact, can be bullshit? There are proves of evolution, proves of planets being made thanks to gravity of the stars, we found water on Titan, that may contain life
Yet you call that bullshit because voices in your head say your skydady made up everything. This is bullshit. Science is proven, faith is praying to a willow tree in hopes it will give you apples
@@rikardotsamsiyu nope Dave lost the debate
He doesn't know what he believes but he does know what other people think? Wow
Simply put, just like you; he doesn’t know what is right and what is wrong. Thus we will never until we can look back.
@@grojunge2449 I think you missed the point of the video. Secondly, I suggest you watch the entire debate. This jackass embarrasses himself BAD! I've never seen anyone get so embarrassed during a debate.
Yes, he does. James literally says everywhere that he is a SUPER SUPER Jesus MAN. (He said that in this debate for fuck sake.) James is religious, and it doesn't take a philosopher to find out that origin of life research is in direct contrast to his religious beliefs.
@@grojunge2449 You must he Dave.😂
@@adifferentangle7064 no, I think like Dave… correctly
Professor Dave destroyed him so bad. That university needs to seriously reconsider having him there. Many students are going to see this and will now know how crazy and deluded Tour is, as well as how uninformed he is about some very basic stuff. Sad that religion has done this to him.
There is One Will!
There is no Will, Word, or Work apart from the Living God.
You will be a testimony of God's will unto Death or a testimony of God's Will onto Life.
@@klopchi6772 prove it. Professor Dave just proves Tour is a fraud. Now prove the Bible is true or shut your pie hole. All you’re doing is making a claim with zero evidence. The actual evidence disproves your biblical god
ej dont troll ok it was obvious that he lost the debate,
@@klopchi6772a god you can't prove to exist? That one... Yeah?
@@ActionParsnip Oh, little seed planted in the darkness of the earth, how you struggle and fight growing into the light.
James is defending objectivity.
Dave has no idea what objectivity is.
When Darwinian evolution is the universal cause for what is in the living world, all truth is objective. So what is truth? Whatever ostensibly comports to the alleged fact of Darwinian evolution.
Yeah that’s why literally all of the comments here are subjective criticisms of Dave’s character and none of them address anything he said or any of the research he referenced.
I bet you aren’t brave enough to check out the comments I’m Dave’s video
I’m curious, what do you think Dave got wrong here?
@@seankennedy4284The problem is that there is no evidence for the theory of evolution.🗿🗿
@@didkiddler3908You don't see that there's anything he did wrong like how arrogant and childish he was., he Trolling and Tour knew this, and this is the reason that made him raise his voice, since there are many people talking about the problem of raising his voice.
Dave is a child. How can you not understand free will and answer that question lol😂
If it's so simple or obvious then you do it. Do you have free will? You won't like where you end up if you try to say yes.
@Krumple Themal I've had this discussion plenty of times. Once with Sam Harris. I like where I end up just fine knowing I have free will. But go ahead, try to teach me something.
@@krumplethemal8831 no, not going to teach me? Is it maybe because you talked too soon?
Darwin's Elixir, the intellectual snake oil cure-all palliative. Label fine print: may cause ignorance, confusion, and hard-heartedness.
@@joemcmurtrey1 Provide your argument for free will.
Dr. Tour has been voted as "Scientist of the Year" has numerous patents in nanotechnology and Farina has the gall to call him a non-scientist. Farina is no scientist.
By who and for which body?
Please show me your sources where Tour has been awarded scientist of the year by actual credited academia. Please, I'm waiting.
And was it for origin of life research?
Source?
@bryanscruggs7566 by the Kent hovind foundation of nonlying science & the Ken ham noah forever institute 😂🤣🤣
Dr. Tour, you're wasting your time with that guy.
Tour isn't doing it for him, he is doing it for us! God bless
The guy just embarrassed himself in front of his youtube followers 😳. He is a Hollow wood. Feel sorry for him
Dave's followers praise him on his "victory" in this debate, just look at the comments under the debate video on his channel.
@@mirziyodm He was. Tour’s rebuttals amounted to “I don’t believe what those sources say.”
If tour were honest, he would publish his criticisms of origin of life research in a peer reviewed journal.
@@lieslceleste3395
Tour's rebuttals were "What those sources say is BS and that's why". Whilst Dave's argument was not "What these papers claim is true and that's why", but "I believe what these paper's TITLES say, because, well, they're peer-reviewed papers".
And anyone who's familiar with scientific community knows very well that "peer-reviewed" doesn't mean shit, especially after the experiment of three scientists who deliberately kept publishing total nonsense (under scientific disguise) and all of it past peer-review.
@@mirziyodm All peer reviewed is nonsense, Chester? Spoken like someone without a a degree, let alone a PhD.
@@lieslceleste3395
Re-read what I wrote, kiddo. I never said what you said.
This was the most embarrassing debate I have ever witnessed. This is what happens when someone like "professor" Dave has to respond in real time. And he can't deceptively edit a video or get away with lying unchallenged.
Actually, you should be embarrassed for you unhinged, dishonest hero, Dr James Tour, his pet moderator, and his church group in the audience.
"Deceptively edit" ??? Could you be so ignorant, gullible and foolish to believe that?
Oh, wait, you're a theist, you'll believe anything.
Please enlighten us. What exactly did Dave lie about?
Be specific.
Be accurate.
Be honest.
Give refutations, or explanations, or reasons why your examples are lies.
In other words, put up or shut up!
What's ironic is that is what tour is doing here.
He’s not a professor
@@Unique_Monk He was.
@@dantegreciante7984
Nope he wasn’t - he failed twice
You know where the title came from ?
His teacher was ill once and he took the class - that’s it - he is no professor
Notice the debate never introduced him as such did they - 🤷🏻♂️
When you are clearly outmatched and know nothing about the field you are speaking on;
You definitely shouldn't act like a child and mock your listeners. 😄
That was quite the embarrassing debate.
I'm proud of Dr. Tour for getting into it!
That Farina guy is the perfect example of a man child.
That’s odd. Wasn’t it Tour who was screaming like a lunatic? Also, it was really nice seeing Tour get embarrassed by actual scientists at Harvard recently.
@@mitchellcarter9760 Dr Tour always expresses himself that way, even in lectures. Watch any of his broadcasted lectures on youtube and you'll notice he has the exact same tone when speaking about chemistry. Even during his panel with Lee Cronin, that's just how the guy expresses himself.
Clueless Dave was accusing Mr Jim of something he was clearly doing and putting all his faith on the formulas presented on the papers he was talking about, Dave don't want to believe in God so he was hoping the formulas he presented would work but not even the writers of the papers back their own work.
I genuinely didn't know Jim tour had followers. That's kinda sad.
@@jasonbrewer6714 what's sad? I would think sweeping and mopping the floor with Dave would be more sad to you.
@@albertonuno1790 I don't like Dave either. To my knowledge, you're all pseudo scientists, and the main community does not represent you wierdos.
Farina running away from the free will question because he’s not astute enough to wriggle out of the implications 😂😂😂
We dont have libertarian free will.
@@vladtheemailer3223 Explain
@@Melkor3001 there are no implications, you don’t understand the complexity of free will because you believe that god gave you free will and therefore god exists, however this topic is a lot more complicated that “I don’t know therefore god”
@@SnapdragonAtheist 👍
@@SnapdragonAtheistPlease explain the complexity of freewill, will you? Can you prove God's inexistence? If you can't, humbly say , i don't know. He has done enough throughout history to prove that he exists!
Dr Tour lays it all out. I have actually checked up on him and what he has said about science and it is right on spot. So, he does not lie about science. The younger guy he is debating used ad hominem attacks against Dr Tour, which is always a sign of a weak argument and that you are losing a debate.
Ad hominem all the time, it was difficult for me to watch and listen how someone is attacking the life and personality and belief of someone else and not even for a second feeling as doing something wrong.
Oh ? Did not notice any name calling there . Miss something?
Yeah I'm not gonna lie, there is not a soul on here with a grain of intelligence that believes you fact checked everything said in this debate. Moreover, professor Dave pointed out numerous mistakes in Tour's arguments, so it seems you have also not seen those then?
Dave: Human have rationality
Also Dave: I don't know we have free will
If you think you are rational being, then you must have free will, if there is no free will we can't be rational we just react by necessity directly by the laws of nature
Well said.
If humans were rational beings, who were "designed" for logical thought then these debates wouldn't happen (we would all agree on what is logical). But we aren't too good at logic and reason... Are we
Exactly, this is the self defeating dilemma of all atheists
Why are you assuming that free will, a concept that doesn't make any sense, is necessary for rational beings to exist? That doesn't follow at all. Determinism and rationality are perfectly compatible.
@@simon_melomano no if determinism is true, creative mind is not possible
For a “science communicator” Dave has made himself look really bad. He got totally obliterated in this debate. I challenge any of Dave’s supporters to find me just one OOL researcher or scientist in general who speaks about Tour the way Farina does. I’ll wait.
Check out the origin of life researchers that Dave literally spoke with in his debunk. They were fine with calling James out.
@@MiltonRosso They certainly weren’t on to “expose” him like Dave purports to do. Just shedding some light on a few things scientifically is all.
@@TyrellWellickEcorp find me a physicist who talks about electric universe proponents in that way, biologists who talk about young earth creationism in that way, or even a scientist who mocked flat earth the way Dave does. Scientists just try their best to remain impartial, give the data and leave their personal prejudice outside of the discussion. Origin of life researchers have corrected James, just not called him the things Dave did (which I don't see why they have to for James to be wrong???)
Dave is a good communicator too bad the stuff he teaches is false , he spends all his time learning the stuff and teaching it and puts all his faith on hoping the formulas really work even though they don't work.
@@MiltonRosso Dave reading the titles and abstracts of the scientific papers do not count as facts in supporting any of Dave Farina's claims and accusations.
Dave failed!
Abiogenesis fails!
Lab environments are highly manipulated.
Tour 🏆
You have the right to an opinion, yet you’re still wrong
@@grojunge2449 Can’t explain why eh? Figures. All you Dave fanboys can’t address the substance of Tour’s arguments. All you do is say “Tour was raising his voice the whole time so that means he lost.” You guys are a joke.
@@grojunge2449 no argument dont care
@Groß Junge Origin of life Is a total disaster, dave failed!
Not as bad as, "God done it," fails.
If Farina is an educator, I'm confused because he did a lot of bragging about how Dr. Tour's students needed his (Farina's) CZcams channel to learn the science of chemistry, yet, when Dr. Tour asked Farina to express the chemistry of a polypeptobismal chain (or whatever it was) on the chalkboard, he refused to do it.
And Dr. Tour has repeatedly asked Farina or any actually qualified professional chemist to correct him if he's doing something wrong.
Instead, Farina did what Dr. James predicted he would by invoking millions of years and regurgitating the titles and summary statements of the very papers Dr. Tour used to expose and refute those titles and summary statements Mr. Dave, oh so predictably regurgitated.
Okay, you have clearly expressed that you did not understand the amino acid molecules on the blackboard.
First little niggle on that. Dr Tour actually named one of them incorrectly. It's a small thing, and could have been a slip of the tongue, but it was picked up by Dave.
I'm sorry for an ugly truth, but all of Dr Tour's blackboard work was a stunt. From the drawing of the molecules (look how clever I am as a chemist) and the demands that Dave give the solution ho the coupling. (I'm going to give you a college level test and see if you can spend the next 30mind to an hour explaining and drawing the numerous steps to achieve the coupling.)
Instead, Dave pointed out the coupling in a paper. They both had agreed to a set of papers they would be discussing during the debate, well beforehand.
Dr Tour them denied the paper with a goalpost shift. It got garbled from then as Dr Your was unhinged and yelling over the top of Dave's responses.
The list of 5 points, prewritten, was Dr Tour's other stunt. He made the false claim that if Dave did not "prove" all 5 then Origin of Life Research was indeed clueless.
So, the blackboard stuff was a stunt. It was stagecraft, a chicanery that was used to impress the gullible, ignorant audience. (⅓ of the auditorium was roped off by Dr Tour for his church group. Certainly not chemists or students, hence my use of the word ignorant. Not meaning stupid.)
So, I'm sorry, but the blackboard was a stunt, and a relatively successful one st that. It fooled you too.
Anyway, if you really wish to learn more about this debate and their history, you really need to watch Dave's series of videos on Dr Tour, on Dave's channel "Professor Dave Explains".
Start with "Elucidating on James Tour: A Defense of Abiogenesis".
Please give it s watch. It will be eye opening.
@@johnrap7203why would anyone watch that child? Id rather research it myself.
It checks out, you need the 20 aminoacids to generate the majority of enzimes relevant for dna to protein synthesis
Half have side chains, no one has in a prebiotic environment been able to make or explain it
Going to watch his videos is nothing but reinforcing an echochamber belief, id rather listen to the actual scientist with patents than double dropout Dave
@@johnrap7203 Professor dave isn't a professor. He is precisely the hypocrite he casts tour to be. You fell for a youtuber whose claim to fame is hitting flattards lol
@@johnrap7203 I am amused by your lengthy nonsense supporting Farina. Whatever Farina learned in undergraduate or his incomplete graduate studies, he has forgotten most of them. But Farina has relied on verbally attacking the opponent in the debate. Just like you @johnrap7203 have done in your post.
It’s clear that you and Farina don’t have any clue on what true science is about, yet you talk and act like buffoons as if you know everything.
I predict that you also believe in the global warming hoax because you were told that the “consensus” has been reached by “97% of scientists”. I will be pleasantly surprised if you say you don’t believe in that farcical hoax.
Professor Dave did not need to write on the chalkboard. He brought multiple papers to back up his claims while all Tour did was yell, appeal to the audience that is already largely in his favor, and write clueless on the board. Farina has actual evidence on his side. I would also suggest watching Dave’s video talking about the debate.
That is not the case. This guy is so rude. And he couldn’t even write the chemistry when put on the spot. He didn’t even try. He just quotes papers but can’t do the chemistry
Doing the chemistry would’ve been no different than balancing a chemical equation in your chem 101 class, it just doesn’t prove anything and holds no value in a debate. Yes, Dave could’ve been more professional in this debate but Dr Tour failed to address the peer reviewed research articles that Dave was quoting.
@@miggy1 Do you mean the headlines only Dave? Good brother reviewed...?
@@miggy1 I disagree he called out Dave to show the chemistry infront of everyone and if dave would have been so knowledgeable he would have done it. But either he doesn’t understand or doesn’t know it and it’s just quoting articles.
@insultedyeti I have spoken to multiple scientists about their opinion on the debate and they have all said that the papers that Dave cited (even though they’re credible sources) didn’t address the specific questions that Tour was asking Dave. Dave claims Tour is a liar yet there are multiple demonstrably false claims that Farina has peddled. For example when he affirmed that the ribozyme can fully self replicate is totally false. A fully self replicating molecule has never been observed. Tour has always been stating the truth whether you like it or not. Everyone owes that man a debt of gratitude for going against the tide that is scientific materialism and simply stating the facts about the origin of life.
@@diego168 so he spent 2 hours doing what then?
Such a rude boy.
look at the difference between a scientist and a joke.. Dave you're Joke!
James is quite the joke
I had no idea Farina was only 8 years old.
You're being generous to him by calling him 8 years old. I've seen 8 year olds who have a better understanding of the world, empathy, articulation and questions than this guy 😂
More likely an immature arrogant smug brat of an 8 year old
@@Saif_VAGABOND_Talpur I highly doubt that
@@SnapdragonAtheistask an 8 year old if they are related to a banana. They’ll provide you with the correct answer.
@@Programm4r do you not realize how stupid that is? You’re saying that because you don’t understand evolution. Ask an 8 year old if Santa clause, the tooth fairy, or the Easter bunny exist. Ask an 8 year old to explain high school science. It makes sense that they wouldn’t understand it. What’s sad is that someone out of high school wouldn’t understand it.
Dave's arrogant narcissism is sad.
Closer to a Sociopath would be my guess, if ever given a diagnosis
How?
You mean you understand that his arguments are correct but that hurts you because it questions your worldview, so instead of accepting the truth you attack the character of the messenger. 😂
@@isaacsaxton-knight7708 I mean exactly what I said. Ole Dave is not doing himself any favors acting like a teenager.
That's is how he came across, at least.
Dave is a hypocrite
and an overgrown BABY!
@@johnkim7063 amen
You mispelled "liar"
@@elib9002 I know my phone glitches sometime and It will put letters sometime I don't type 😩
@paul roy
Haha. Yah. Same.
God bless man.
Real time didn't workout for Dave.. lol
No doubt. He spent hours on the computer thinking he was going to bring something, and choked.
@@googlespynetwork lol facts
@@googlespynetwork obviously this irrelevant question has an easy answer for religious people, but in the real world isn’t much more complicated than that.
dave farinium was so religious allthroughout the debate
Oness Oli was so fatuous and wrong throughout that comment.
The atheist was religious?
@@SnapdragonAtheist Yes
@@proximaism how so? By using evidence to justify his claims?
@@SnapdragonAtheist thats a non sequitur.
As hard hearted, confused, deceived and lost as Dave is and set against the truth, let us not forget to just pray for him. It’s easy to forget this at times. Remember God changed Saul into Paul the apostle. Therefore no one is out of his reach, and never desire the destruction of anyone.
That's the best comment in this section. Thank you.
@@michelferreira9695 Ty I appreciate that, God bless
he is a paid actor and knows what he is doing. i would not waste my time praying for him.
Difficult to even imagine praying for Dave. He has completely dedicated himself to not only rejecting God and Christianity, but to mocking the idea and even threatening violence ('we should shoot them in the face'). I suppose there's a chance he could be like Saul, but seems so so so unlikely as to honestly not be worth the effort.
Absolutely true.
Dave is such a snake.
Tour is such a slime mould and less intelligent 😂
It’s obvious Dr Tour is the scientist here. The other guy is something else.
Something else indeed
He's a youtuber. That's about it.
a joke
he is an admitted actor that is paid by his handlers to keep fools in the dark and waste the time of christians.
Nope, Dave won this debate even with all the ad hominem attacks. 😂😆
Tour is a charlatan who’s on the Discovery Institute’s payroll. Dave was right in calling by out his BS.
Dave had ZERO evidence, so he resorted to personal attacks. Classic tactic of debate losers.
Huh? What about the dozens of papers he showed?
Papers which clearly he doesnt understand lol
@@joser5141 Funnily enough his (lack of) understanding of the papers doesn't invalidate them. So how is there no evidence if dozens of peer-reviewed papers have been cited?
Dave literally had the list of personal attacks on him by James, he had evidence to back up his claims, and James could only refute them by saying they were wrong. Classical tactic of a flat earther
Dave had abundance of proof in documents of actual experiments from respected scientist.
Dave is so unprofessional, like arguing with a 7 yr old .. what a goof
Yet Tour was screaming like a child through out this whole debate, and is the professor and chemist but cant keep his cool, he seems like a lunatic and i don't know how he is a professor. He is also a huge Liar to add.
Because James throwing a tantrum on stage was so professional
@@SnapdragonAtheist So, because someone being emotional warants you acting like a child?
@@Akillesursinne so, it’s not childish to throw a tantrum? What’s childish is writing clueless at meaningless times on a chalkboard and pretending you’ve won.
I will agree. Dave acted very unprofessional. That though is how he acts, normally. He is a very condescending, and arrogant person, especially if you disagree with him. It is very disappointing to me, because I enjoyed watching his educational videos. In science, we welcome discussion, especially if it disagrees with testable theory. I like to use that because there really is not "facts" in science. I very much wish he would not involve himself in debates like that, because it looks bad upon the scientific community. We know that people like Tour have beliefs that go against the norm, but, that is indeed the beauty of science. To callTour a liar and fraud is simply uncalled for. I most likley will not support Dave any more, even though the science he presents is good, I simply do not respect his actions. Also, I'm an atheist, or anti theist as Hitchens said. The only people I care to be rude to are flat eathers, cause that is just silliness. Lol
kind of odd YT shows 0 comments in the short feed. but oddly enough there are comments here....
In case you weren't aware, it takes time for the algorithm to catch up. I'm not defending the shady tactics of CZcams, but comments like this are just ignorant.
@@markwildt5728 Calling people ignorant for an observation is a unnecessarily nasty.
False equivalence; free will is a philosophical idea vs the physical reality of chemistry. Cannot be compared
Oh, brother. "I know your motives, because I possess a monopoly on truth. To wit, my conclusions agree with consensus science."
Dave the child…😢
If Dave is a Child it’s sad James can’t understand something a child can
There is a liar here and as far as I can tell it's not Dr. Tour.
It is 100% Tour. Tour lies about many things in this debate. He lies about the number of ppl in the field. He qoute mines some of the scientist in his opening.
He is also a christian. He believes that god created life. Then goes on to say we are clueless and that he doesn't know..
These are lies dude. HE is a liar. HE also doesn't even work in the field. So why would you even assume he is correct? PPL use Dave's youtube videos to help pass tour's classes.
Would you allow some dude to just yell at you nonsense? I dont think I would. But again, I am not a coward.. Tour is. He cant even back his own religion..
Except is it.
@@SnapdragonAtheist yea, it 100% is. You can fact check the shit Tour said. It's almost ALL bullshit lo.
@@lawless7859 “I don’t know what created life, but I objectively think I do know”
@@SnapdragonAtheist Oh he knows, he's just not willing to talk about it lol
Fun fact: The band TOOL named themselves after Dave...
Good band, fake professor
😂😂😂
@@Programm4r real professor, but Google is just too hard isn’t it
@@SnapdragonAtheist he’s a college instructor. Big difference. Also, he admitted that he wasn’t a real professor; that he FAILED to achieve his degree in chemistry because it was too hard; he gave up on chemistry; that he knew almost nothing on the topics he’s talking about including chemistry; that he doesn’t write his own scripts; pays others to write his scripts; pays consultants to fact check them; and just sits back and reads them. FACTS spoken from professor Dave’s mouth.
@@Programm4r so, they aren’t credible because he gets them facts checked? Also, you’re just lying because you think it’s easier to refute, but someone’s knowledge on a subject doesn’t make the truth any less true. The fact that he has them fact checked is a positive thing, and you must not understand context because it flew out the window for you didn’t it.
All of the criticisms toward Dave in these comments are just as hominem. None of you mentions any of the points he brought nor any of the research he referenced. James utterly refused to even discuss the research and defaulted to draw a molecule on the chalkboard.
I encourage any of you cowards to visit Dave’s channel. There are ad hominems there as well, but there are actual criticisms thrown in as well. They address the bs James spewed and rebutted some of his diatribe.
Where is the criticism of Dave’s argument on this channel? All I see are a bunch of Christians mocking someone’s behavior so they don’t have to listen to his words.
And you call _him_ childish for getting annoyed at it.
HE DIDNT BRING ANY POINTS UP THOUGH, HE USED PAPER TITLES AS EVIDENCE AND THEN PRACTICED EGOTISTICAL AD HOMINEM FOR 1 HOUR
@@ZombieChicken-X that is false. He had the research right there with him and Tour just kept shrieking about drawing on a chalkboard.
He was not using titles as arguments. At no point in the debate did he ever use a title as an argument. You have just lied. The same way Tour did in the debate: with caps lock on and your brain off.
Dave believes the earth is flat. He debates himself about it all the time.
Tf are you talking abt?
If you don’t know how to answer James Tour, just call him a liar. There, wow, you’ve won the argument. You don’t even have to give an example of a hypothetical Tour’s lie! ….Oh…well…trust ME! He’s a liar.
Name-calling is not debate. It’s middle school playground!
Wow that’s sad, you didn’t listen to the lies he demonstrated because you can’t refute them
He spent his 10 introductory minutes doing nothing but showing exact examples of Tour lying
@@lunar7267 he also demonstrated why we aren’t clueless
Pray for Farina.
Praying has been scientifically proven to have no effect beyond random chance
@@SnapdragonAtheist According to science, Your reply is the end result of random chance. According to our Lord and Creator Jesus, it’s just another example of sinful pride.
@@rickm5853 if your lord is the one who wrote the Bible I wouldn’t follow him if he existed. The Bible is full of moral atrocities. Also, don’t act like scientists share your dogmatic idealistic view of the world.
Genuine Professor vs fake YT "Professor"
Lol, Dave is a very real professor 😂
@@grojunge2449 No he's not, he's a youtuber.
@@benjy288 and a real professor that has teached in classes. He's also a chemist just like tour.
@@dark666razor No he's not a real professor, and no he's not a chemist like jim, he only has a BA in chemistry.
@@benjy288 And? Still a chemist. And yes, he's a real professor given that he taught in a school lol. Lets not forget he's also a science communicator, who unlike Tour, has no bias because of his religion.
Me answering a totally unrelated question honestly, followed by James lying through his teeth, and then a thousand loser bot accounts spewing the exact same baseless script 😂 how's the damage control going James?
Poor little feller. Can't win a debate. Can't even gaslight the general public into believing your performance was anything but embarrassing. Btw, you call Dr. Tour a liar but have yet to provide a single, solitary example of him lying. Why is that?
@@mattrondeau7466 One example is when Tour says that we don’t know how to build a simple bacterium. This is a blatant lie because we have machines that can do this for us now and he knows this but chooses not to say a word about it and debunk himself and his sheep lap it up and think it’s correct.
Don’t believe me? Look it up and see for yourself. Timestamp is at 6:11 on Professor Dave’s video titled: *Elucidating the agenda of James Tour, a Defense of Abiogenesis.*
The machine is also a simple google search away. *automated nucleic acid extraction machine*
If only you had the balls to press play on anyone of Dave’s videos exposing Tour 😂
@himynameisjesusandthisisja5308 commenting so I don't lose this spot. I've never heard either of these people, so I'm going to see what both have to say and try my best to give an objective perspective.
@@mattrondeau7466 I provided multiple concrete examples of James lying in the debate, he just shat his pants and did his chalkboard stunt 😂 keep hiding from reality, dumbass!
@@ZoidSwift An objective perspective about what?
I can save you the hassle.
Tour lies and misrepresents science for jebus.
Professor Dave exposes these lies and then Tour has a hissy fit.
LOL... just because you think someone else is wrong doesn't meant they are lying.
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James was here. Just look at the self-replicating rna lol
@@leonardoasaro1832 haha
@@leonardoasaro1832 just because someone is lying doesn’t mean they are wrong.
@@SnapdragonAtheist yeah but he was in this particular subject. Self replicating rna was proven in the lab.
The point is that we are not clueless about the origin of life. We didn't prove or replicate abiogenesis, but we do indeed have clues, as demonstrated by various papers
Bro saying “I don’t know” is the literal opposite of God of the gaps. James Tour is the one saying “there is no current scientific conclusion therefore God” when real scientists are okay with saying “I don’t know, it’s something to be discovered in the future”
Evolutionists are constantly using the evolution of the gaps' arguments. But when they do, they call it science. They are such hypocrites.
Evolution is an observed fact, and the only scientific explanation for biodiversity. So when we see biodiversity, we can safely assume evolution is probably responsible.
That’s not a “god of the gaps” fallacy.
Pretty hilarious how this entire comment section is nothing by sycophants for James Tour. All claiming that Dave embarrassed himself in this debate, and yet if you would actually watch the entire thing you’ll see that it is nothing but Dave attempting to have a civilised debate with a man who believes that because he shouts louder that someone makes his opinion more valid.
Yeah it's honestly frustrating, someone should start making shorts with all the parts where james is just yelling non-sense and not even letting dave talk. I would gladly make these but I don't think they would get any views.
Apart from that, some people that were in the audience said they had no clue what they were talking about and were just there to hear James preaching. Speaks volumes about his followers and this comment section.
According to scripture God by His power and wisdom brought things into existence. There's nothing magic about it. "Speaking" things into existence in waves of energy similar to your voice that carries distinct information is how the creator relates something we can't understand to something we can. A common theme throughout the Bible. Magic is what the atheist believes happened. It's all just a big lucky accident. Even life itself just magically happened with zero plan , purpose, or meaning.
Yep, they believe in magic but not a magician.
Magic? When magic has evidence that’s called science. Just because you don’t understand science doesn’t mean there is a god who wrote a book for us to read.
That one wasn’t in his papers he brought along & was reading off of so he doesn’t know
The self-proclaimed "professor" Dave has no chance in a polite objective discussion against the real Professor James Tour. As cheap stabs, Dave uses insults, not actual supporting facts.
He was a professor, but Google is just too hard sometimes isn’t it
Dave lied never gave answers and brought journals to a class which were all wrong while tour was spot on with the science.
Yet didn’t bring a source for abiogenesis?
@@grojunge2449 maybe it will be a simple equation like A: BC or A=B+C for life
Are you stupid? Tour can’t post in peer reviewed resources because he is a liar. Dave brought legitimate papers, and if the only argument against them is denying their existence, then that says something about Tour’s validity don’t you think?
TL;DR: Upon careful consideration of their approaches to the scientific literature and their respective rhetoric, Tour clearly lost the debate in both categories.
Detailed comment: If you haven't watched MythVision's or Dave's own review/reactions on the debate, please give them a watch, though I'd recommend MythVision's review since it is more laid-back and more easily digestible. Capturing Christianity's review on the debate, despite their best efforts to the contrary (at least on Cameron's part), demonstrated that we have prebiotically plausible routes to the origin of life, which proves Tour wrong.
But if the scientific side of the debate is too much for you as it was for me (I am in no shape or form equipped to fully understand the arguments either side presented), look at their rhetoric and presentations. Dave wasn't "all wrong", nor was Tour, yet Tour constantly gish galloped and prevented Dave from discussing his prompts. Tour's attack on Dave's "script" is not only ludicrous but also irrelevant to the discussion at hand, even if all of Dave's sentences were products of AI writing, it is the context backed up by scientific papers that is necessary. I'll grant you that Dave's attack on Tour distorting data could have struck a nerve, but that really is what he does, and it was relevant to the discussion in the sense that Tour wasn't going to engage in an honest discussion of the content of Dave's topics, he instead focused on Dave's style of presentation. Tour even tried to poison the well by claiming there was significant dramatization going on with journals on positive sciences before engaging with the data within them, which was a tactic used to "justify" his dismissal of certain papers that Dave presented without engaging with them directly.
There's a lot to discuss here, and I'd be happy to have an honest discussion with you on the debate should you wish to have one. Have a good day!
@@metalfish3384 TL;DR the TL;DR: Dave won and tour lost.
Dave Farina...such disrespect....
That he has no respect for Dr Tour's nonsense on OoL research? You've got that right!
Nobody else the field of OoLR does either.
Only the gullible sycophants in his cult do.
James Tour…such disrespect…..
Dave wasn't the screaming lunatic in this event.
@@avi8r66 exactly 🤣
James was afforded all the respect he deserved. It's bad enough somebody gave this unhinged quack a doctorate.
just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean the science is lying. In fact just the opposite. The science provides no evidence for a creator. If you want to believe in something that cannot be proved to exist, that is your choice, but don't expect others to cater to your belief. It's no different than believing unicorns are real (it says they exist in the bible!)
Dou you believe in free will?
Struggles to make a decision.
Edit: it was good to see Dave overcome his fear of chalk.
That’s because unlike what your religion tells you it’s a complicated question.
@@SnapdragonAtheist Biblical scholars have been debating determinism and free will for centuries. So I’m not sure why you would make such a statement. Research Calvinism vs Arminianism. Your religion shows a great amount of uncertainty to the question as was displayed by Dave’s answer. With this paradox, Dave could have answered either way and I would have been fine. It was just interesting to see him struggle with such a question. He probably should consult Dawkins and Harris.
@@TifleTifle-xd2pf my religion? Are you stupid? Free will is objectively non-existent if the future can be known by any being. We don’t know because we feel like we have free will, but everything in this universe is predictable.
Dave Farina: _"But that is what you believe, and that's why you lie about science to protect that belief."_
That works both ways, Dave. If science doesn't support their world view, atheists will lie about science to protect that belief. That is why you are always the one to introduce theology into a scientific debate. Because you know that facts don't support your argument.
Except atheism isn't a worldview. Said like someone who never saw tour preach, or turned a blind eye to it. He's a creationist, so he has to.
@@dark666razor He keeps his faith and theological views separate from his duties as a scientist when discussing the chemistry and the science around abiogenesis. If you think otherwise, then you are kidding yourself.
@@Locutus.Borg. No he fucking doesn't. Since then he already posted plenty of shorts claiming god did it -.- His field is synthetic chemistry, not geochemistry or biochemistry, so whatever he says about abiogenesis is irrelevant, because he is not an expert.
@@dark666razor Atheism sure is a worldview, its a worldview where there is no God.
@@benjy288 It isn't. We are simply not convinced of your claims that a god exist. That it. It has no bearing on my worldviews.
Show us how you determined god exists.
Wait but dave is just saying idk, and leaving it at that. He isnt then filling in a explanation for free will that isnt substabtiated, he just isnt sure. The difference is Tour is saying idk about origin of life, therefore god, which IS a god of the gaps fallacy. When you cant win a debate in person just edit it so it looks like you did lmao.
If a Christian doesn't believe in free will, he has no right to be arguing against a scientific atheist.! Hes very childish, and his views are under developed, I wonder if he read the Word at all
I don't get the free will thing after he slapped Chris rock he was never locked up so how can you free will
Naturalism of the Grand Canyon sized gaps
Wow
Wannabe Dave fails again
Utterly pathetic from "Professor Dave"
Dave's theme song, 'The Great Pretender'. He pretends to know the science of OOL. He doesn't. All he does is simply repeat ideas of others that confirms what he already believes in.
It’s not God of the gaps for Dave to say that he’s unsure if freewill exists, because he doesn’t use his uncertainty in regards to that to assert the existence of a god. Tour on the other hand believes that the explanation to the origin of life is a god, although he will not argue that position because he knows it is not scientifically tenable. Furthermore, idk when it became a fallacy to appeal to your motivation but, it is relevant when you are debating a scientific topic and something outside of science is influencing your ability to view the subject objectively. Especially considering Tour and his fans make the fallacy of appealing to authority by saying that Tour is more qualified to speak on the topic, yet as Dave pointed out, we should not take anything Tour says on faith because he has motivations outside of science and his position doesn’t have wide acceptance within the scientific community.
Dr. Tour is impressively showing how experienced he is with manipulating quotes, facts and his ability to herd the largest group of sheep I’ve ever seen in a classroom
Arguing in bad faith. Farina isn’t worth your time
I mean, he called out Dr. Tour for using a "God of the Gaps" argument. Seems reasonable to me.
Dave just lists a bunch of papers and doesn’t try to prove any of it. He just sits confidently behind the work of others and claims it to be true because a lot of other scientists said it is. Why is he even trying to do a debate when he can’t explain any of it but rather is just saying he’s on the side of science so he doesn’t have to explain any of it. He treats all of Tour’s questions as too simple and already solved questions that don’t deserve to be answered. Oh this paper answered that question and you’re dumb for even asking. Reminds me of how the Catholic church would claim the Bible let them do whatever they wanted yet they wouldn’t allow it to be translated out of Latin so the common people couldn’t read it. He wants you to trust “science” when the reality is that there is no “science” that has ultimate authority. There are lots of individual scientists with their own beliefs who often disagree.
Farina does know anything. It’s obvious that he failed to go through the most basic training in earning a PhD degree. Maybe he was flunk out in his attempt? In any case, Farina is a lousy buffoon.
Dude. James embarrassed himself so bad that night
The real issue behind _free will_ is accountability to the Creator. That's what Dave is running from.
All of them are running from the accountability. Because once you recognize that you have free will (to choose to be a di*khead or evil scum) you know there are some debts you'll have to even with the Big Boss, at the end of the road.
Oooh accountability from the one ancient goat herder superstition from flat-earth era times that you were _groomed_ into believing!
@@MultiSky7 prove that we have free will then we will talk, but that is a much more complicated topic than you think
Different question therefore different from proposing a god of the gaps. This isn’t a debate about how you view the world, its a debate on how we are not clueless about the origins of life.
A "professor" who is not actually a professor. Booooooo!!
this doesn't know whether he has...." free will..." or not...??? the fact he can....DECIDE....one way or the other...is exercising...." Free Will...yet exercises his Free Will to call Mr Tour a.....Liar....
Next time I get pulled over for speeding and the cop asks why I was going so fast I'm gonna say because the chemicals in my brain made me, therefore its not fair to fine me because I had no choice in the matter.
@@benjy288 You are your brain that made that decision. Of course you're at fault. You think you're something different than your body? That's an ancient goat herder superstition, not reality.
"Free will" is the human ability to imagine in the present that in the past they could have made a different decision. The ability to imagine that with identical initial system states, and identical system inputs a system could possibly produce a DIFFERENT output. The laws of the universe we already have, prove this to be impossible. You are a biological computer that produces outputs based on input stimuli. The decision you make is the ONLY one you can or ever could make.
@@snap-off5383 Is that a truth statement or is that just the output of a biological computer who has been programmed to think that way?
Tour does not lie about science. He doesnt have to.
Except when he does
"Is there a god of the gaps there".
No, that's exactly the point. "We don't know" is better than "Let's lie about this thing".
Not knowing if we have free will is a very honest answer, as anyone who has thought deeply about the concept knows and anyone who hasn't thought deeply about it laughs at.
These shorts are proof of how bad Dr. Tour did in the debate...back to the chalkboard.
You are delusional. Dave made a fool of himself.
@@googlespynetwork Intelligent design is delusional. Religion preceded science and has stifled scientific progress for centuries. Where are the religious fundamentalist with a Nobel Prize?
👉 Full debate here: czcams.com/users/livepxEWXGSIpAI?feature=share
Thank you for maintaining composure when you had an immature child maligning your character the entire time
@@hurrikanehavok7313 are you stupid? He threw a tantrum at least half of the time. What composure are you talking about
There is no "appeal to motive" here. as he's not calling into question your motives
It’s not just that we don’t have an explanation why abiogenesis is a faulty theory… we have lots of experiments that have failed and it’s not because “we haven’t found a good one yet.”
This is the age of modern science. No human has ever experienced the random creation of Life from non-living matter, natural or in a laboratory.
Hey Tour can we get a short of you yelling like a child at Dave? I think youd get more views
Tour is an embarrassment.
To your community of gamer kids that live with their parents? Dave totally lost the debate. All he had was character assassination and personal attacks.
Profaker Dave should apply that same logic and reasoning to Darwin and Luther.
Boo every time fallacy farina comes with. His WACK ATTACKS,. Students! No. Don't! All that booing would have even limp logic lee believing in a spiritual realm
Dave speaks truth. James lies...a lot. For gawd
One example?
@@mattrondeau7466 One example is when Tour says that we don’t know how to build a simple bacterium. This is a blatant lie because we have machines that can do this for us now and he knows this but chooses not to say a word about it and debunk himself and his sheep lap it up and think it’s correct.
Don’t believe me? Look it up and see for yourself. Timestamp is at 6:11 on Professor Dave’s video titled: *Elucidating the agenda of James Tour, a Defense of Abiogenesis.*
The machine is also a simple google search away. *automated nucleic acid extraction machine*
You have some evidence for that? Or are you parroting your master?
Dave is way smarter than you’ll ever be
Dr. Tour healed a severed spine. lol. Farina does CZcams tutorials???
@@sloth6247 okay and? What does that have to do with intelligence? Someone can be a trash collector and have a 130 IQ, likewise someone can have a PhD and deny mountains and mountains of scientific literature (cough cough Dr. Tour cough cough)
Well done Dave. Great debate. You literally posted Tour's red handed lies on the big screen. I guess the crowd likes the chalkboard better. Just confirmation bias from people who already accept everything Tour says. Best part, calling out his BS when he says he admires you. That was brilliant. You don't say those things you showed if you admire someone.
Dr.Tour kept Arguing with Dave Farina, which was (IMO) Farina's plan. Turn this into a mud wrestling contest.
"Wise as serpents, harmless as doves"
God and I are Still working on that. :-)
I don't hate to often but Ol' David is the type I tend to hate.
Because he demonstrates the lies tour says?
Only one claims they know the beginning definitively. It's not Dr. Tour...
@insultedyeti go take a college level organic chemistry class and tell me more how those “mechanisms” can work in un-ideal conditions.. I’ll wait
@insultedyeti abiogenisis requires just as much faith as belief in God... and neither is currently measurable. Claiming your ideology has a more grounded argument exposes your ideological bias...
@@shrugg6593 so, since you can’t comprehend a world view that isn’t based on dogma it is suddenly impossible for facts to be facts?
@Sean Bean I'm sure you have all the facts in your cute Lil head...
Please share some "facts", Mr. Bean, Because us dogmatic Bible thumpers are fact poor and just need a good education...
@@shrugg6593 the thing is I don’t have to because the people working on this for a living all agree that they know what they’re talking about.
There is no double standard. There is plenty of evidence and hypotheses of how life could have originated. And we do have clues of how it could have happened. The fact that Dave does not know if he believes in free will may stem from the fact that he never really thought about it.
Again James is so disingenuous.
The 'professor' is a belittler of truth .
He is over his head , because God cannot lie or deny Himself .
He is eternal and unlimited. The 'professor' isn't.
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Well the difference is we can prove that Dave exists, but not your god that we’ve had over 2000 years to prove.