@windfall Why? Trackside advertising has been a part of the sport since day one, if it ruins your enjoyment of the race just look at the cars instead, it's really not a huge deal.
I'm following Liam Lawson in SF this year. Funnily enough he said it feels like a F1 car in the corners, so this video is spot on.. I'm looking forward to the next race in Suzuka. Usually the very best drivers rise to the top at that track.
@@CJ22930 F1 onboard cameras do not have stabilization, they are glued to the car, Indycar cameras are on a gymball and can rotate, they are stabilized.
@@mclarenf101 new f1 car just too heavy , make the car looks very lazy in slow corner, but in this track not so bad, lighter car just feel and looks faster even slower lap time,hybrid era f1 keep adding weight year by year, but somehow still make the faster and faster, hope 2023 can make it faster in slow corner, i think 2020 got the faster f1 car in hybrid era.
@@bukwok 2020 is indeed the very peak in terms of outright lap times for F1, the new floor reg introduced in 2021 had lower the ceiling quite a bit, and with the ground effect car it was dropped off significantly, mostly just because of the weight, though.
Honestly it's because of the framerate and stabilization of the camera they're using. From what I can tell is that F1 is having a 60fps stabilized footage, while SF is using 30fps with little to no stabilization CMIIW
Great comparison. Just quick remind that lap record for SFormula at Suzuka is 1'34.442 from 2020 by Nick Cassidy (probably no telemetry data for this one)
Discovered and fell in love with Japanese SF because of the assetto corsa mod of the car Amazing what that car does with so little power, and they prove that slower cars do indeed lead to better racing I hope F1 takes a look at their approach on the cars and learn, as much as F1 is about pure speed, they’re unnecessarily fast and if by lowering the lap times 2-4s we can improve the show, then I’m all for it
Simply the best comparison ever on this channel, A Japanese Formula Super car that is one of the fastest cars in the world, just below F1 in corners. And even more with telemetry. I loved this comparison, I'm totally happy after watching this very explanatory video, congratulations brother, it was an excellent video. Imagine these SF cars with a seventh gear, and a Drs, along with a Kers? with at least 700hp, I think these cars would match an F1 in pace
Well you have to remember the aerodynamics of these cars are also built with the capabilities of its speed and acceleration in mind. A drastic increase in horsepower would likely decrease the aerodynamic efficiency to an extent. Don't forget an F1 car weighs much more than a SF car and part of that is defo the hulk engine/minimum weight regulation
@@zCxtalystYes yes, you are absolutely right. More power could have aerodynamic implications on the SF, but I believe that if they added a DRS to these SF cars, they could be faster in the straights, without losing too much in the corners... The Japanese engineers are very good, They would create solutions to work around problems and maintain or even improve cornering performance.
If you did that these cars would race terrible. Their power x drag ratio is perfect, they are fun to watch. They don't need more power. They need more downforce to reach top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream so they can race even better than they do now. They reduced downforce a bit but managed to reduce dirt air by a huge amount this year. They raced a bit better before tho. I wish they did the opposite and gave the cars more downforce instead. Dirt air is not much of a problem if you have enough drag to make slipstream more valuable.
Excellently constructed comparison. With any of these comparisons we should remember that many of the TRs in F1 have the effect of limiting the vehicles' outright performance. That said, these comparisons are still fascinating to watch and taking any formula car to the limit lap after lap requires exceptional skill from the driver.
@@8888swatt I thought that's you meant, but you said it like it's unique to F1, which it isn't. Literally every category will be many many times faster there were no TRs.
@@Alan-ww8vi True but F1 does have the unique phenomena of hyper development and so sporadic rule changes aimed (wholly or partly) at slowing the cars down. But what you say was kinda my point; the cars will only go as quick as their formula regs will allow. I didn't mean performance limiting rules were unique to F1, I only meant it in the sense that the excellent video implied the F1 car was the performance bench mark for a formula car so I was just noting that even an F1car is performance limited by the regs. That all said it is still a cool video.
@@8888swatt Makes me wonder what a 919 Evo-style F1 car would be like. Considering the old regulations from 2017 - 2021 were the fastest ever in the history of the sport, maybe one of the teams should make an unrestricted car.
One notable thing I noticed is how the Super Formula driver does not seem to be on top of his race line so much and doesn't attempt to corner as hard as an F1 driver would. He basically does not attempt to use the track limits so much.
What we need is a Super Formula World Championship in the same cars and some more engines, racing in Suzuka, Fuji, Monza, Imola, Spa, Silverstone, Portimão, Austin, Austria, Interlagos, Nürburgring, Sepang, Istanbul, Hockenheim, Paul Ricard old track layout, Le Mans Le Sartre, Monterrey Laguna Seca etc. With some drivers from FE like Vergne, Felix da Costa, Wehrlein, Nick Cassidy, Jack Dennis, Vandoorne, Mitch Evans, Sam Bird. Som Indycar drivers like Palou, Pato O'ward, Colton Herta, Alex Rossi, Josef Newgarden, Lundgard, Illot, Grosjean, Scott Dixon, Scott McLaughlin etc. Some young drivers from F2 like Iwasa, Jack Doohan, Enzo Fittipaldi, Teo Pourchaire, Victor Martins. Some forgotten F1 drivers, like Daniel Ricciardo, Filipe Druguvich. SF Liam Lawson.
The Yokohama tires are so much better than the Pirellis. Vandoorne mentioned in an interview how they could go an entire race on one set of tires because they still carried performance. If F1 tires werent so bad they would be flying. This limiting factor is a damper on the sport. Deserves more attention.
F1 wants a fast degrading tires, F1 asked pirelli to make tires that degrade fast, so thats what they got. Im sure pirelli could make a tire that lasts all race if they wanted to...
Not really... The Bridgestone tires of 2010 were capable of going the entire distance on some occasions, and pirelli stepped in from 2011 onwards with the request to make high degradation tires. This is what they want
@@foxy126pl6 degradation itself is not the issue, thermal degradation is. So comparison still stands. I doubt Pirelli would be able to do a tire that can go for the whole race pushing non stop without overheating given that even the harder compound can suffer from this.
I don't know for SF, but for F1 you can get it in MultiViewer for f1, he isn't using it in this video, but he has used it in others (including the one before this one)
Think also about the weight. F1 now is super heavy. 798kg minimum weight against 660 of SF. That’s a lot in terms of middle/slow corners. Also the 2022 gen cars are slower in general than before due to lack of complex aerodynamics and the limited floor effect/diffuser Great video!
Super Formula has the perfect power x drag ratio. It only needs more downforce on high speed corners so they can reach those top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream. Their push to pass put the cars side by side perfectly rather than giving a free pass.
Actually impressive downforce from the SF. Maybe a omparison had been between the a Williams and SF car would be even better because of lack of downforce, I think the straight-line speed is one thing but I think it would be close when it comes to downforce
One thing that you have to note is tyres . Tyres in SF are whey better then f1 tyres which definitely helps for cornering , also f1 has more downforce tyres are still the biggest factor in terms of grip . For me superformula are doing a mega job !
@@theindubitable The SF19 as the name suggests, debuted on 2019, so it's still a pretty young chassis for a "spec" series. (I know it's not a true spec series much like IndyCar but you get the gist of it).
Hi mate. Thanks for this comparison and analysis. Very interesting. I have a request. It would be possible to compare Super Formula with Formula 2. That would be almost on the same level. Thank you.
Excellent comparison mate. Thank you for this video. I have a request for you. Is there any way we can properly compare F2 and Super Formula cars? Since the chassis are almost the same and the power deficit between them is much lower (AFAIK F2 cars have around 650HP as opposed to SF cars' 550HP), I feel like a comparison between the two would be interesting.
SF will probably edge out F2 by a couple seconds since even though they have a deficit in horsepower the SF19 has more complex aero to produce more downforce which resulting to higher cornering speed. Keep in mind SF19 also has OTS system similar to IndyCar's system which give the car a few more horsepower which the drivers can use at any part of the track compared to F2's "limited" DRS zone.
I think the first comment kinda sums it up: F1 cars have more HP hence they're faster hence it takes less time for them to cover all parts of the track. The effect being less pronounced in the corners.
I'd rather have a non-stop comparison than a sector-specific one, though. All F1-SF Suzuka pole lap comparisons I've seen thus far have only been interrupted by sector timing points, so uninterrupted would be nice for a change. Furthermore, uninterrupted gives a full l idea of relative outright single-lap performance, even if the difference is massive.
Didn’t realise SF cars were that quick compared to F1, despite the lesser power. Got to question spending so much to develop cars that actually aren’t that much faster, and with more power the SF car would be way closer.
Syncing the two cars sector by sector was a smarter move than just showing the full laps. It's able to show the differences in the two cars that way. Though, adding the lap times of each car during the video would also help visualize the time differences better than just stating it in the captions
The lap time of that Nojiri set 2022 Super Formula car is only 3-4 tenths off Michael Schumacher’s pole position lap time in the Ferrari which was a “1:35.825” during qualifying in the 2000 Japanese Grand Prix.
Super Formula cars are surprisingly quick. Really impressive that it’s only 7 seconds given the engine deficit F1 desperately needs to go back to smaller, lighter cars tbh
F1 cars have been massively slowed down in the low speed corners for the last decade. Current cars are over 150KG heavier and much longer than the 2010 cars ( which had the most amount of downforce in the V8 era ). Obviously in the high speed corners they're unreal, but a lighter car is always much more fun to drive.
I wished that the double diffuser/blown diffuser era overlapped in the V8 era the downforce would have been insane I remember the 2010 Red Bull car taking Campsa flat at like 260kph my mind was blown incredible machine
Very nice comparison. I liked SF cars. One question: why is the -7 gap against Max's name in a yellow color?) I guess it should be green if it's a gap in favor of Max Verstappen
Going off of just this video SF looks like it would be more interesting to watch. On a different note- I wish F1 could experiment more like they used to, there's way too many regulations =\
SF has an OTS system (similar to IndyCar's Push to Pass) where they use a bit more fuel to get more power rather than using DRS. (SF still do refueling) All driver has the same allocated number of times they can use that system (they have around 100s of use in total) and they can use that system freely on any part of the track. The system itself can be used for both attacking or defending so it brings another layer for strategy.
Oh damn, I remembered Tomoki Nojiri collided with Toshiki Oyu in this year's Suzuka GP of Super Formula, Oyu was looking at his sights for a pole-to-win, but Nojiri ruined it.
imagine that lighter, smaller SF layout brought to F1 then added 1000hp f1 engine (idealy simpler and lighter than current ones), DRS, get free hand on aero development, pirelly slicks and best drivers. Probably would be as fast if not faster than current ones. We would got smaller nimbler cars and better racing
Such a comparison would be even more interesting on a track like Monaco. Based on what is elaborated in this video the lap times in Monaco theoretically shouldn't be too different. SF might even actually beat F1 although I doubt that very much but I wouldn't say that it's impossible.
A como mistake here, SF19 car has 640hp not 550hp, the 550 value comes from the older SF14 chasis and I dont wikipedia still hasnt uploaded that value.
amazing video, Super formula is not bad at all. bit more downforce and get a high revving high power honda V10 in there it would be just as fast as 2022 F1.
@@patrickr4762 it would need more than "a bit". Like 400hp more. And even then, with that extra power would come extra weight. It would take more than power to make them equal..
Yokohama is the tire supplier for SF and they just use two sets of compound which are Soft & Hard alongside a Full Wet tire for obvious wet conditions.
Alonso loses 1 cylinder and runs on V5: czcams.com/video/pjnHdBSDm6A/video.html
I already forgot how this track looks without advertisement panels on every barrier. Thank you, Super Formula for reminding me.
@Atomfurz00 Yep, me too. Always liked this distinctive red, white and green checked pattern at Suzuka, but nowadays it's hardly visible.
@Atomfurz00 Ikr, F1 tracks look literally the same with the branding
Pointless to hate when the sport wouldnt be posible without the ads.
@windfall Why?
Trackside advertising has been a part of the sport since day one, if it ruins your enjoyment of the race just look at the cars instead, it's really not a huge deal.
@@ecksoal moron
The super formula has always been a very nice category
SF and Indy, yeah
@Atomfurz00 Well that's not true
@@lorenzograndini2731 i didn't know super formula until this video
Wait until you see their pitstops
@@aygoaccount5251 the "acrobatic" stops haven't been a thing since 2 years ago sadly
I'd love to see SF on board compared to a back marker F1 on board.
oooh nice, i would love SF and F2 Comparison tho
Agreed
Don't you talk about lord latifi like that!
@@overland1204 F2 is usually 10-12 seconds slower than F1. Super Formula is faster than F2
The F1 car would still completely destroy it because you know... it's an F1 car?
This actually shows how amazing the SF cars are despite the power disadvantage.
They don't even have drs
They are clearly one of the highest level open wheel racing competitions in the world.
they have less weight tho, but still they are pretty damn quick
I’m pretty sure they’re like the second fastest thing behind F1 cars.
@@souldry Depends on the track. Most tracks LMP1 would be faster due to way more power and downforce.
I'm following Liam Lawson in SF this year. Funnily enough he said it feels like a F1 car in the corners, so this video is spot on.. I'm looking forward to the next race in Suzuka. Usually the very best drivers rise to the top at that track.
i like the onboard cam of the superformula more ngl its wayy more centered like ur playing a game
i personally prefer the tv pod view tbh
It's like the indycar t-cam. It also makes the cars look faster
If F1 only removed stabilization like Indy.
@@CJ22930 F1 onboard cameras do not have stabilization, they are glued to the car, Indycar cameras are on a gymball and can rotate, they are stabilized.
the higher weight is really showing in slow corners. SF is quite impressive
Ground effect really slowed down F1's slow corner speed this year as well.
@@mclarenf101 new f1 car just too heavy , make the car looks very lazy in slow corner, but in this track not so bad, lighter car just feel and looks faster even slower lap time,hybrid era f1 keep adding weight year by year, but somehow still make the faster and faster, hope 2023 can make it faster in slow corner, i think 2020 got the faster f1 car in hybrid era.
@@bukwok 2020 is indeed the very peak in terms of outright lap times for F1, the new floor reg introduced in 2021 had lower the ceiling quite a bit, and with the ground effect car it was dropped off significantly, mostly just because of the weight, though.
Super Formula although slower actually looks faster. F1 should use their camera setup because it would give us that sense of speed again
No. You would just get used to it and then it wouldn't make a difference.
Exactly mate! much more exciting than F1 on boards
@@HoutarouOrekiOsu wrong
Honestly it's because of the framerate and stabilization of the camera they're using.
From what I can tell is that F1 is having a 60fps stabilized footage, while SF is using 30fps with little to no stabilization CMIIW
The Formula 1 camera is on top of the engine intake, on the Super Formula this is lower and the lower you are the faster you feel like you're going
They did 1.34.3 in 2020, Nick Cassidy, so just 5 sec behind with like 600hp.
Incredible DF to weight ratio.
Well F1 in 2020 was also faster ;D
And…the engine is an in-line 4
If only F1 made the cars lighter instead of making them boats, F1 would be even faster through those slow/medium speed corners
Boats? More like armored vehicles.
yup and bis chunky tyres also help a lot
why would they do that? it's about safety too
safety plays a big role
That's the point. They don't want the cars to fly through the corners. There are people in those cars and protecting them is the priority.
Great comparison.
Just quick remind that lap record for SFormula at Suzuka is 1'34.442 from 2020 by Nick Cassidy (probably no telemetry data for this one)
Great video man, very interesting to watch
very good comparisan man, thanks a lot
Outstanding video. Thank you 🙏
Discovered and fell in love with Japanese SF because of the assetto corsa mod of the car
Amazing what that car does with so little power, and they prove that slower cars do indeed lead to better racing
I hope F1 takes a look at their approach on the cars and learn, as much as F1 is about pure speed, they’re unnecessarily fast and if by lowering the lap times 2-4s we can improve the show, then I’m all for it
idk about that one bro, slower is not better. the size of the the formula one car now is the main issue
They're not at all slow.
Your videos are very informative and insightful. Thank you
I love Super Formula. Onboards at Sugo look insane.
Waw thanks for the good work. Great video
Simply the best comparison ever on this channel, A Japanese Formula Super car that is one of the fastest cars in the world, just below F1 in corners. And even more with telemetry. I loved this comparison, I'm totally happy after watching this very explanatory video, congratulations brother, it was an excellent video. Imagine these SF cars with a seventh gear, and a Drs, along with a Kers? with at least 700hp, I think these cars would match an F1 in pace
Well you have to remember the aerodynamics of these cars are also built with the capabilities of its speed and acceleration in mind. A drastic increase in horsepower would likely decrease the aerodynamic efficiency to an extent. Don't forget an F1 car weighs much more than a SF car and part of that is defo the hulk engine/minimum weight regulation
@@zCxtalystYes yes, you are absolutely right. More power could have aerodynamic implications on the SF, but I believe that if they added a DRS to these SF cars, they could be faster in the straights, without losing too much in the corners... The Japanese engineers are very good, They would create solutions to work around problems and maintain or even improve cornering performance.
If you did that these cars would race terrible. Their power x drag ratio is perfect, they are fun to watch. They don't need more power. They need more downforce to reach top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream so they can race even better than they do now.
They reduced downforce a bit but managed to reduce dirt air by a huge amount this year. They raced a bit better before tho. I wish they did the opposite and gave the cars more downforce instead. Dirt air is not much of a problem if you have enough drag to make slipstream more valuable.
Very informativ video. Lots of thanks.
Very interesting! I'd love to see more of these with other tracks and/or other racing series. What about Indycar VS F1 at COTA next time 🤓?
Fantastic comparisons. I've seen a handful of your vids but you got a subscriber with this one.
Excellent comparison. That Super Formula car really punches above its weight.
Excellently constructed comparison. With any of these comparisons we should remember that many of the TRs in F1 have the effect of limiting the vehicles' outright performance. That said, these comparisons are still fascinating to watch and taking any formula car to the limit lap after lap requires exceptional skill from the driver.
TRs?
@@Alan-ww8vi Technical Regulation. Things like the maximum instantaneous fuel flow rate or minimum weight of the car for example.
@@8888swatt I thought that's you meant, but you said it like it's unique to F1, which it isn't. Literally every category will be many many times faster there were no TRs.
@@Alan-ww8vi True but F1 does have the unique phenomena of hyper development and so sporadic rule changes aimed (wholly or partly) at slowing the cars down. But what you say was kinda my point; the cars will only go as quick as their formula regs will allow. I didn't mean performance limiting rules were unique to F1, I only meant it in the sense that the excellent video implied the F1 car was the performance bench mark for a formula car so I was just noting that even an F1car is performance limited by the regs. That all said it is still a cool video.
@@8888swatt Makes me wonder what a 919 Evo-style F1 car would be like. Considering the old regulations from 2017 - 2021 were the fastest ever in the history of the sport, maybe one of the teams should make an unrestricted car.
素晴らしい比較映像です👍
tnx for the video!
One notable thing I noticed is how the Super Formula driver does not seem to be on top of his race line so much and doesn't attempt to corner as hard as an F1 driver would. He basically does not attempt to use the track limits so much.
this channel is amazing!
Oh yesss finally we can have an updated comparison between these two cars
These videos are great 👍🏻
What we need is a Super Formula World Championship in the same cars and some more engines, racing in Suzuka, Fuji, Monza, Imola, Spa, Silverstone, Portimão, Austin, Austria, Interlagos, Nürburgring, Sepang, Istanbul, Hockenheim, Paul Ricard old track layout, Le Mans Le Sartre, Monterrey Laguna Seca etc. With some drivers from FE like Vergne, Felix da Costa, Wehrlein, Nick Cassidy, Jack Dennis, Vandoorne, Mitch Evans, Sam Bird. Som Indycar drivers like Palou, Pato O'ward, Colton Herta, Alex Rossi, Josef Newgarden, Lundgard, Illot, Grosjean, Scott Dixon, Scott McLaughlin etc. Some young drivers from F2 like Iwasa, Jack Doohan, Enzo Fittipaldi, Teo Pourchaire, Victor Martins. Some forgotten F1 drivers, like Daniel Ricciardo, Filipe Druguvich. SF Liam Lawson.
Great comparison!
スーパーフォーミュラ
速いんだね。これくらいの差しかないのは
驚き。
great video useful info.. thanx
This is such a more useful comparison format
The Yokohama tires are so much better than the Pirellis. Vandoorne mentioned in an interview how they could go an entire race on one set of tires because they still carried performance. If F1 tires werent so bad they would be flying. This limiting factor is a damper on the sport. Deserves more attention.
F1 wants a fast degrading tires, F1 asked pirelli to make tires that degrade fast, so thats what they got. Im sure pirelli could make a tire that lasts all race if they wanted to...
Not really... The Bridgestone tires of 2010 were capable of going the entire distance on some occasions, and pirelli stepped in from 2011 onwards with the request to make high degradation tires. This is what they want
You are absolutely right!
@@foxy126pl6 degradation itself is not the issue, thermal degradation is. So comparison still stands.
I doubt Pirelli would be able to do a tire that can go for the whole race pushing non stop without overheating given that even the harder compound can suffer from this.
@@Willbrse Yeah, for some reason temperature windows always seem to be the most narrow at Pirelli, regardless of the category.
Yo nice video mate. May I ask where you get this telemetry from? I would like to get a better look during race weekends myself
I don't know for SF, but for F1 you can get it in MultiViewer for f1, he isn't using it in this video, but he has used it in others (including the one before this one)
Check out F1tv can watch any pov of any session live or prerecorded
@@theoausborn5682 but there is no onboard telemetry on F1TV
Can't wait to see how fast the RB17 will be… maybe I will get to live until it goes on track.
Think also about the weight. F1 now is super heavy. 798kg minimum weight against 660 of SF. That’s a lot in terms of middle/slow corners. Also the 2022 gen cars are slower in general than before due to lack of complex aerodynamics and the limited floor effect/diffuser
Great video!
Always nice to watch Super Formula onboards.
The video was amazing.🙂
Nice work bro
比較動画おもしろかったです。
最高速度が裏ストレートではなくてホームストレートだったのが意外。
Really nice illustration of what the aero is doing vs the engine/drag on high speed sections.
Super Formula has the perfect power x drag ratio. It only needs more downforce on high speed corners so they can reach those top speeds sooner and make more use of slipstream. Their push to pass put the cars side by side perfectly rather than giving a free pass.
It's crazy just how quick SF cars are. They should give them some more HP!
How do you get that speedometer?
Crazy explanation, that speed metre helps it a lot
そう思ったらスーパーフォーミュラのドライバーもマシンもほんとすげえんだな……
遅いっちゃ遅いけどパッと見F1と速さ変わらんしなぁ
Actually impressive downforce from the SF. Maybe a omparison had been between the a Williams and SF car would be even better because of lack of downforce, I think the straight-line speed is one thing but I think it would be close when it comes to downforce
One thing that you have to note is tyres . Tyres in SF are whey better then f1 tyres which definitely helps for cornering , also f1 has more downforce tyres are still the biggest factor in terms of grip .
For me superformula are doing a mega job !
@@estebanmuth Are they (SF) also going to come with new cars soon or they already did?
@@theindubitable The SF19 as the name suggests, debuted on 2019, so it's still a pretty young chassis for a "spec" series. (I know it's not a true spec series much like IndyCar but you get the gist of it).
@@AbrahamArthemius Ok thanks for your clarification!
@@AbrahamArthemius How is it not a true spec series? I don't know much about either IndyCar or SF but I always hear them referred to as spec series.
Interesting, we need to see f2 vs SF now pls 🙏
F1, PLEASE, GIVE US THE BRAKE TELEMETRY IN 0 - 100%, NOT ON/OFF
Do it like SF I beg you!!
Hi mate. Thanks for this comparison and analysis. Very interesting. I have a request. It would be possible to compare Super Formula with Formula 2. That would be almost on the same level. Thank you.
Excellent comparison mate. Thank you for this video. I have a request for you. Is there any way we can properly compare F2 and Super Formula cars? Since the chassis are almost the same and the power deficit between them is much lower (AFAIK F2 cars have around 650HP as opposed to SF cars' 550HP), I feel like a comparison between the two would be interesting.
SF would smash the F2 by quite a lot
@@jansonb482 Idk man I think it would be much closer like around 2-2.5 seconds
SF will probably edge out F2 by a couple seconds since even though they have a deficit in horsepower the SF19 has more complex aero to produce more downforce which resulting to higher cornering speed.
Keep in mind SF19 also has OTS system similar to IndyCar's system which give the car a few more horsepower which the drivers can use at any part of the track compared to F2's "limited" DRS zone.
@@AbrahamArthemius This is true, but I don't believe SF allows use of the OTS in qualifying. I'm not certain though
@@SwingAxleLover No, i don't think they do if it's quali
I think the first comment kinda sums it up: F1 cars have more HP hence they're faster hence it takes less time for them to cover all parts of the track. The effect being less pronounced in the corners.
What is the name of the song?
Also, nice edit and cool to see the difference between F1 and other competitions
did you find out?
I'd rather have a non-stop comparison than a sector-specific one, though.
All F1-SF Suzuka pole lap comparisons I've seen thus far have only been interrupted by sector timing points, so uninterrupted would be nice for a change.
Furthermore, uninterrupted gives a full l idea of relative outright single-lap performance, even if the difference is massive.
Could you do this type of comparison for indycar at Cota after f1 qualifying there next race?
Didn’t realise SF cars were that quick compared to F1, despite the lesser power. Got to question spending so much to develop cars that actually aren’t that much faster, and with more power the SF car would be way closer.
Very surprising downforce levels of Super Formula!
Syncing the two cars sector by sector was a smarter move than just showing the full laps. It's able to show the differences in the two cars that way. Though, adding the lap times of each car during the video would also help visualize the time differences better than just stating it in the captions
The lap time of that Nojiri set 2022 Super Formula car is only 3-4 tenths off Michael Schumacher’s pole position lap time in the Ferrari which was a “1:35.825” during qualifying in the 2000 Japanese Grand Prix.
Super Formula cars are surprisingly quick. Really impressive that it’s only 7 seconds given the engine deficit
F1 desperately needs to go back to smaller, lighter cars tbh
F1の下位チームとなら互角かそれ以上の戦いができそう。
F1 cars have been massively slowed down in the low speed corners for the last decade. Current cars are over 150KG heavier and much longer than the 2010 cars ( which had the most amount of downforce in the V8 era ). Obviously in the high speed corners they're unreal, but a lighter car is always much more fun to drive.
they need to bring these cars back to at least the 750 kg mark. still relatively heavy, but much better than 800 kg
I wished that the double diffuser/blown diffuser era overlapped in the V8 era the downforce would have been insane
I remember the 2010 Red Bull car taking Campsa flat at like 260kph my mind was blown incredible machine
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 where's campsa?
I know Seb took copse corner of silverstone flat out with 290 kph
@@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168 turn 9 Barcelona the high speed right hand corner
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 ahh yeah. Even faster than 2022 cars through that corner.
Can u pls do a lap comparison from 2014 or 2015 to modern SF please?
need to compare SF with F2! Once the F2 cars are much slower than F1 and F2 is considered a preparation for F1 tough, but yeah, it's a nice video
Super Formula = F1.5 ?
Very nice comparison. I liked SF cars. One question: why is the -7 gap against Max's name in a yellow color?) I guess it should be green if it's a gap in favor of Max Verstappen
Merci !
SF car is only 4 cylinders too which makes it even more impressive
4 cylinder?!?! Still sounds better than the F1 V6 engine 😅
I think they should give the superformulas a bit more power, like 750ish would be dope to see
Tyres that can be pushed help. Proper race tyres.
Very good video
Maybe you could compare the worst f1 car of a season with the best f2 car of that season? I think it would be fun
The weight plays a key role, SF is 670Kg, F1 is 798Kg (both including driver)
Going off of just this video SF looks like it would be more interesting to watch.
On a different note- I wish F1 could experiment more like they used to, there's way too many regulations =\
Seems like Superformula cars had few more kph than F1 cars in terms of cornering speed.
What is the meter on the SF side next to the throttle meter that says engine? Is that like SF's version of ERS? Im not familiar with SF at all
SF has an OTS system (similar to IndyCar's Push to Pass) where they use a bit more fuel to get more power rather than using DRS. (SF still do refueling)
All driver has the same allocated number of times they can use that system (they have around 100s of use in total) and they can use that system freely on any part of the track. The system itself can be used for both attacking or defending so it brings another layer for strategy.
Just a tachometer
God I love this. I’m a race nerd.
in the last chicane, Super Formula actually gained something at Formula 1
Oh damn, I remembered Tomoki Nojiri collided with Toshiki Oyu in this year's Suzuka GP of Super Formula, Oyu was looking at his sights for a pole-to-win, but Nojiri ruined it.
imagine that lighter, smaller SF layout brought to F1 then added 1000hp f1 engine (idealy simpler and lighter than current ones), DRS, get free hand on aero development, pirelly slicks and best drivers. Probably would be as fast if not faster than current ones. We would got smaller nimbler cars and better racing
SF did amazing tbh
imagine these two compared in monaco ^^
Such an interesant car the SuperFormula, clearly behind in terms of power only.
This basically says that SF and F1 have similar mechanical grip right?
I wonder how much weight difference there is
@@randomdude8877 I believe SF are around 650kg & F1 is around 790/800kg+(no driver) even reaching 900kg with full fuel tank + driver & car
No video for Ocon's defense against Hamilton in Japan?
Such a comparison would be even more interesting on a track like Monaco. Based on what is elaborated in this video the lap times in Monaco theoretically shouldn't be too different. SF might even actually beat F1 although I doubt that very much but I wouldn't say that it's impossible.
A como mistake here, SF19 car has 640hp not 550hp, the 550 value comes from the older SF14 chasis and I dont wikipedia still hasnt uploaded that value.
i would love to see an SF vs F2 comparison
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They don't race on the same tracks so we can't have a direct real life comparison. But SF cars would surely smash the F2 cars
With the ground effect, f1 got slower especially in the low speed corners. I think the diffrence will be alot bigger if compared to the 2021 cars
2022 cars are on average around 1-1.5 seconds slower than 2021 cars.
it won’t surprise me if 2023 cars are around as fast as 2021.
Still the fastest F1 car ever is the mercedes w11, corners were a joke to that car, a true F1 legend
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm i dont think so unless the regs change to allow lower kerb weight.
amazing video, Super formula is not bad at all. bit more downforce and get a high revving high power honda V10 in there it would be just as fast as 2022 F1.
Was about to say. A bit more power it would be as fast as a Haas.
@@patrickr4762 it would need more than "a bit". Like 400hp more. And even then, with that extra power would come extra weight.
It would take more than power to make them equal..
What's the science in the SF tires? They look so stylish with the angular sides
Yokohama is the tire supplier for SF and they just use two sets of compound which are Soft & Hard alongside a Full Wet tire for obvious wet conditions.
最高速の伸びがどうしても劣ってしまうけど、コーナーリングは、F1に最も近いマシンかもね。
Super Formula
-has 2 less cylinders
-makes 400 less horsepowers
-has 2 less gears
-lower downforce
*Is only 7 seconds off from F1*
7 secs is an eternity in racing, SF will be lapped in a race
Lapped like two times or more
Impressive!
Do the same but with the w11 in spa i think was that crazy lap
if you look at it that way, it's pure power so the super formula is more efficient.
Max's lap is really smooth
Sebs’ as well. His steering input in his quali was so smooth.