Top 10 Muppet Lore Inconsistencies
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
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I just noticed the nastiest audio pop of all time literally 4 seconds in :)
It's only gonna get better from here, I swear.
siblings can't be friends?
NO 😡 there is an update on this entry coming in the sequel though 🤪
The Muppet Theatre ownership is complicated further by “It’s a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie” (2002). In a deleted scene Kermit says Scooter’s uncle died and Kermit inherited the building, but the script writer refutes this.
Scooter mentions it too in the actual movie! I lost my mind. Definitely covering that in the follow up video. Thank you!
Also, the climax involved the theater being designated as a historical landmark by the state, thus protecting it from demolition. The entire plot of the 2011 movie should be null and void.
With the whole "movie inside movie" thing, literally every Muppet Movie is like that, the original Mippet Movie starts with them in a theater, the Great Muppet Caper's opening musical number is saying to the audience that they're doing a movie, Muppets most wanted starts revealing that the audience in the previous movie were extras
In real life, the reason Lips’ voice and dialect changed drastically in the Muppets Mayhem was because his original performer was fired by Disney.
You know what isn't an inconsistency?
In Muppets Tonight, season one episode five, Bobo falls in love Cindy Crawford and at the end she reciprocates the feelings. Much, much later in the Muppets 2015, a subplot in an early episode sees Bobo struggling to sell Girl Scout cookies for his daughter...
His daughter...
The logical conclusion to all this is that Bobo hitched Cindy Crawford and they had a kid.
The timeline lines up!!!
Who says he's married?
Maybe Gonzo just has adoptive parents on earth?
anyway an inconsistency that always bothered me is that scooter is introduced as someone Kermit has never met before in the show but in the movie he quite clearly meets him along side electric mayhem bc hes their manager or whatever i forgot. My headcanon is that Kermit just straight up forgot about him bc i think that's funny and it lines up with how little Kermit cares about him outside of his uncle owning the theater in the early years.
I’ve recently started watching the 1976 series, & there’s an inconsistency that you missed. Scooter’s 1st appearance is actually in episode 1, but he doesn’t actually start being a Gofer until he’s re-introduced in episode 6
Very true! That IS an inconsistency! Something I noticed but didn’t even register as one 😵💫
I will say, the real reason Scooter wasn’t seen much in Muppets Tonight (and why Clifford hosted) was due to Richard Hunt’s untimely death. Scooter didn’t get a new permanent puppeteer until the early 2000s, I believe, and he wasn’t seen much of the 90s. :( In terms of lore, though, it’s super interesting why Kermit or whoever would’ve chose Clifford instead of Scooter to host!
I think Lips just did a lot of drugs and that’s why he mumbles now… think Ozzy
This theory rocks.
Yet a lot of big names, followed by Nora, understand him.
I mean, Peter Dinklage and Shaquille O'Neal look pretty different, and they're both human.
Bro, Shaq? The guy that visited Nelly in his dreams and said he smelled???
Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, which the 2011 movie recycled the "Evil capitalist tries to acquire the Muppet Theater and demolish it" plot from reveals that Scooter's Uncle died and left the Muppets with a ton of debt in a deleted scene, resulting in their current predicament.
Muppet Babies is a dream sequence
So for what it’s worth, the reason Mary refers to Walter as Gary’s friend instead of brother is because in the original script they were just supposed to be friends.
Theory time: Fozzie is working with Statler and Waldorf. He's their straight man... bear... whatever. He sets them up to rag on his jokes and they get the audience to laugh. So, either Fozzie is funny, or S & W are, either way, Fozzie gets to bask in laughter.
Like how he works with Jack Black in the 2011 movie!
Here’s an interesting inconsistency. The original Muppets movie establishes that the founding members of the Muppets were Kermit, Fozzie, Dr. Teeth, Floyd, Janice, Zoot, Animal, Scooter, Gonzo, Camila, Sweetums, Miss Piggy, Rowlf, Bunsen, and Beaker. Despite that, Beaker and Camila aren’t in the first season of the Muppet Show at all, and they don’t even know Scooter at the start of the Muppet Show. That’s always been the biggest inconsistency to me.
The sudden realization that you are using music from Muppet's Party Cruise hit me like a flashbang.
Playing the hits
Commenting for the algorithm- criminally under-viewed.
The world needs more Muppet content, keep up the good work!
Thank you! 🙌🏻 More coming soon!
You made amazing connections.As a fan I never would have thought of in a million years.
More coming soon! And the ones people left in the comments here are even more wild!
Maybe Statler and Waldorf are both mutually stoned, and laughing at each other’s jokes because of that.
Stoned and thinking Fozzie ISN’T funny!? Impossible. Can’t be done.
A side note, on the issue of Gonzo and chickens: In a Muppet Christmas Special (the one where everybody meets up-- The Muppets, Sesame Street and Fraggle Rock) Gonzo sees Big Bird and says that Big Bird has something that chickens lack... BULK!!! that wasn't even brought up in the relationship between Gonzo and Camilla.
The craziest but if Muppets Lore is that Meet the Feebles is canon in the muppets universe
Lore inconsistency: in the Milton Berle episode of The Muppet Show, Fozzie is afraid to confront Milton as Milton is his idol and can't think of a good way to introduce himself. However, though during the Entertainer number, a group of Muppets join in to sing along one of them being Fozzie. This is before Fozzie works up the courage to introduce himself to Milton.
Another lore inconsistency is how in the Zero Mostel episode during the UK spot, It says that there's going to be a pantomime sketch with Fozzie and Zero. However though no sketch appears. There was one filmed but ultimately ended up a deleted scene, but since it has never surfaced and was never released, it counts as a lore inconsistency.
Okay, so here we go. There are 3 levels to the muppets’ existence. First is our world where they’re puppets. Next is what I’ll call the “TV-verse” because this is where the shows, talk show appearances, tv specials, Sesame Street, and Fraggle Rock are set. Then there’s the “movie-verses,” with each movie being set in its own fictional universe created by the muppets of the tv-verse. The biggest problem there is the play Manhattan Melodies from Muppets Take Manhattan which the tv-verse muppets may have actually performed sometime in the 80s or maybe something like that. It’s a bit confusing. Muppet Babies is its own weird thing. Maybe Piggy imagined it all, maybe the muppets licensed their likenesses of themselves as babies to an animation studio…I don’t know and nobody does. It’s best to forget about the muppet babies appearing in Muppet Family Christmas, too, because that opens up a TON of problems. With all of that in mind:
10. Scooter’s uncle who owned the theater is JP Grosse, who died (in the tv-verse) sometime after the muppet show and left the theater to Kermit. Tex Richman and the standard rich and famous contract were created by the muppets for the movies.
9. I can’t say why Scooter wasn’t picked to host Muppets Tonight, but I am glad Clifford is gone. Between his design and puppeteer Kevin Clash’s allegations, we probably won’t see much of him again. In universe, he was probably fired or left the muppets for his own reasons.
8. I’ve got nothing for Piggy oinking.
7. Gonzo’s species has never been clear. Muppets in Space is a movie within the fictional tv-verse, as all the muppet movies are. Gonzo’s mother is actually more of an inconsistency than you mentioned, because in a Muppet Show episode, Gonzo claimed that his mother died before he was born.
6. Gonzo and Camilla have always had a very loose relationship, with Gonzo flirting with plenty of birds (including Big Bird in the Leslie Uggams episode of the Muppet Show) while he’s supposed to be dating Camilla.
5. Just because Lew likes war movies doesn’t mean he wants to make a war movie.
4. Maybe they’re different species of muppet bear? This one’s always confused me too.
3. Fozzie is funny. Statler and Waldorf are clearly just jerks.
2. Gary and Walter…brothers or just friends? Okay, you got me on this one.
1. I just assumed that Lips got his brain fried after too many years of rock and roll. The Mayhem are almost-canonically stoners, and that must have affected them in some way.
Then again, as you said, muppets lore doesn’t really matter and this is your video, so believe whatever you want! It’s just the muppets.
FINALLY!!!! SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT “FRIEND” LINE IN THE 2011 MUPPETS!
I found out more details on it! Following up soon!
Two things about Gonzo: According to Jim Henson in some book I forgot the name of, Gonzo is meant to be a chicken hawk, which explains his infatuation with Camilla. Hang on, side thought: What if Gonzo was meant to be a reference to Prince Phillip? Which would mean the nose... but... no ears? But also Camilla...?
There's an episode of the Muppet Show, I think the one where Jim Nabors guest stars, where the entire cast starts turning into chickens through Cluckitis, and I vaguely remember Gonzo saying something to the effect of, "Camilla's whichever chicken I'm interested in at the moment, Kermit..."
I love that episode! How’d miss that?? 😨
I literally been looking for muppets retrospective and icebergs. lol
5:43
The "rich and famous" contract has nothing do with the Muppet Theater. It's part of the Muppet Movie universe (the story of how they "more or less" first met), with other films being either productions from that universe or part of their real-life Hollywood careers.
Our main Muppets bounced from Sam & Friends, to the Ed Sullivan show (with Kermit also on Sesame Street), to various specials and pilots, to the Muppet Show proper and the start of their movie careers, to other specials and MuppeTelevision, to Muppets Tonight, and so on.
In short, the Muppets didn't become Hollywood stars by first meeting each other on Kermit's cross-country road trip, the theater Muppets had a close relationship with Jim Henson who pulls some strings to kickstart their movie careers, after the Muppet Show became popular enough. It's also why they had their Hollywood special which seems to continue from the Muppet Show. In fact, past guest stars like Liberace and Rita Moreno (who Animal knows very well) are also in attendance.
i can't believe it. i literally dreamed about a muppet lore video. it was like 8 hours long and looked into every franchise the muppets crossed over with and then a separate video about sesame street
so not quite the same-
Just need 15 more of these!
Lips isn’t a lore inconsistency, that’s just the development of the character over time.
This could probably be argued for every one of these points 😅 I swear I’m aware of how arbitrary all this is
Backwards?
I know you mentioned about muppets take Manhattan, but I was already confused on the lore of kermit and piggy and if they truly married in that movie because they had a real minister instead of Gonzo and then in most wanted they obviously wernt' married.
Finally someone other than me is talking about Lips’s voice change, he’s my absolute favorite Muppet even though he’s mostly a background character
the best part was the microphone switch
TRUE, honestly. I can’t wait for the audio to be good in the rest of the these 😭
Well, regarding Gonzo’s family, in Episode 210 of the Muppet Show Gonzo comments that his mother died before he was born
I have frantically added this to my notes 🫡
@@RealKillianTube maybe the moms not mentioned in muppets from space could be adopted or foster mothers. that way muppets from space could still be canon. any earth parents he had he might consider his family as they raised him.
You’ve been sent to me by the gods
Facts I want more puppet theories, muppet lore , muppet charecter analysis
You came to the right place, sparky
Unironically, thankyou for this. The algorithm gifted me your coke video, and I decided to subscribe & binge the rest of your available vids :) My late mother LOVED the Muppets so I grew up on it. This was silly & fun, cheers for the smiles xx
finally, quality content on youtube 🙏
Not only does this guy prefer Fozzie over Statler and Waldorf, but he also hates Lew Zealand? smh😞
I’ve discovered recently I hate Johnny Fiama even more
Scooter's uncle is mentioned in Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, with it saying he sold the theater.
Lips is in Take Manhattan. He shows up a lot in that 30 years absence. He joined the Band and Clifford at Walt Disney World.
Where is he in Take Manhattan!? 🫨 I missed my sweet boy??
@@RealKillianTube He's in the wedding scene in the way back.
I just looked it up and saw him way back there! What a demotion 🫨
You should do a Muppet iceberg
Perhaps in 2025. A good, even half decade late.
Thank you for doing a Muppet video! Please do more Muppet videos. Another lore inconsistency is the existence of Skeeter on the original Muppet Babies. Whatever happened to her?
Not a lore inconsistency, maybe she just died
This was a great video to watch while I started my day! More muppets lore videos PLEASE for the love of all that’s good and felt!!!
I needed this video so bad, great job on this
Thank you, my g
Maybe Lou Zealand is a fan of fish-out-of-water war movies like Tropic Thunder?
🤯🤯🤯
I considered making a video about the Muppet timeline
16:22 Tbh, I don't think the lifespans of the animals muppets are based on factor into how long they live. I mean, Kermit's been around a while and frogs typically only live for 10-12 years. And muppets seem to often address that they're made of felt so -- could be some muppet physiology immortality going on?
At the very least, they don't seem to grow or age in the same way people or animals do, if Muppets 2011 is anything to go by. Makes you wonder how old Statler and Waldorf really are.
Squirds on pilm
I think Gonzo was talking about an adoptive mother, someone must have raised him.
Not a bad theory!
I loved Muppets Mayhem despite what some critics said because it gave good backstories for the band.
Girthy with the lore!
13:01 Heh. Muppet can(n)on
Love the outro btw
Before I even got into the content of this video, I was so thrilled to hear the Muppet show theme in minor from monster adventure playing… Deep cut!
Figuring out this video’s soundtrack was so much fun! I can’t wait to do it again for the sequel
I did some a few months ago! Loved your video btw!
Very great. What about the Seasame Street Connection? Kermit was a regular there, remember?
I don’t remember but I’ve seen! I’m in the Elmo generation
@@RealKillianTube do a search for "kermit the frog news flash" and prepare to laugh
wow i was a big lew zealand fan😔super let down
I believe that about you 🪖🎖️
What I wanna know is why no one talks about the fact that Sam Eagle has an ex-wife and two estranged kids
WHEN was this established?
@@RealKillianTube One of the episodes of the OG series. I’d have to rewatch to find the exact one. His son is a taxidermist and his daughter is dating an owl.
Edit: found it czcams.com/video/IR8VvuCUzoA/video.htmlsi=H2XgjVr9uLow7th7
@@RealKillianTube found a clip of it for you. It’s Episode 422: Andy Williams. czcams.com/video/IR8VvuCUzoA/video.htmlfeature=shared
banger video
This video rules.
Just what the doctor ordered! Muppet lore! Or is it? :3
I always thought Clifford was a dragon...
I wish!
I thought Clifford was a second generation Eastern Dragon living in the US
i often wondered if Muppet Babies series is even canon with the Muppets franchise. now that there are two of them makes me wonder if the two shows are their own universe. skeeter and nanny don't appear in any muppet films i've seen. i know skeetere appeared briefly in one of the muppet comics as an adult. but canon's a funny thing. they could change at any time. or reboot the comics and say the last one is no longer canon. And also Muppet Monsters were they were adults but did similar animation to Muppet Babies.
pretty sure Muppets take Manhattan is meant to be an in universe play with another fictional play in it. The Muppets literally describe the movie they're in whenever they describe the plot of their musical Manhattan Melodies so its one of those things where its confusing but its just so they can make a joke/reference?? the Muppet movie did this too where they end up making the movie they were just in at the end of the movie but with cardboard cut outs. i think its just something the writers really like. I choose to believe Muppets take Manhattan is non-canon bc in that movie they apparently just got out of collage and knew each other there. uh. yeah. i don't know when that would fit into the timeline. maybe they all went back to collage together after getting that contract but that makes zero sense to me
With the Muppet movie the line Kermit says before the movie starts. I've heard that that was a reference to how the movie is an allegory for Jim Henson's real story but that's kinda dumb. i think that its probably bc the movie is an exaggeration of the in universe backstory with added meta jokes bc that movie is weirdddly meta. like its one of those biographical movies that changes stuff for comedy but its mostly true. and since the muppets are fictional we can just assume everything is true unless evidence shows otherwise.
The thing with Muppets from space is that i will not be scornful for the unpopular opinion of taking it as canon. BUT its largely ignored as canon by the franchise itself. to me, Muppets from space kinda ruins the message of Gonzo that he's unique and undefined and confident in that. I absolutely love aliens as a concept and Gonzo is my second favorite muppet so the movie is very fun for me (Walter is my favorite bc him being really autistic about the muppets in his movie is what got me really into puppets. You know your skill of spreading special interest is godly when it transcends your very reality) but im glad most ppl don't see it as canon. for awhile they did try to categorize Gonzo as an alien but they've kinda backtracked on that. I prefer him as a whatever.
Basically the "its a movie within the universe" thing can apply to like. All the movies. like i don't think gonzo was a sailor in pirate times or uh--- Charles Dickens. theyre meant to be in universe actors so i think most inconsistencies can be explained with it just being a bit? every series has consistency issues but with the muppets it drives me insane bc i obsess over whats canon and whats not. i blame. my autism diagnosis.
OMG OMG OMG! I have watched this video on CZcams with G SMOKE 🐐🚬0⃣3⃣😜 and Black Peter Griffin and it was awesome! I love The Muppets franchise, Kermit, Animal, Scooter, Gonzo the Whatever, Rizzo, Pepe and Fozzie Bear! I don't mind Miss Piggy but she's okay to me! I also love the lore and inconsistencies! ⭐⭐⭐⭐ ⭐
KillianTube: -getting confused by the movie in a movie/play in a movie concept-
Barbie fans: you’d never survive where I come from 😂
I fear Bibble alone
You could have done a top 10 using Muppets mayhem by itself
Honestly, so much to unpack with that show
@@RealKillianTube Dr teeth gold tooth, Janice's family, the mayhem's dating past, the mayhem's ages, zoots addictions, how the tour fits in with the Muppets ABC show
more moppet videos plz
Definitely! And even better quality! Coming this year for sure.
DO I HEAR MY MUPPET SHOW MUSIC?
A couple times!
ty i love the muppets and there is not enough content
MuppetTube is on the rise!
The Muppets 2011 is established tho as the Muppets are actors making a movie. So Tex thing may not be canon
I never really understood how a Louie Armstrong impression is considered offensive by some people. I mean, it’s more of a celebrity impression rather than an ethnic one - it’s like getting upset when a non-Scottish person does a Sean Connery impression.
Probably something to do with the long terrible history of white people doing offensive black impressions as entertainment. Minstrel shows and whatnot. But hey THATS JUST A THEORY
By theory I mean, that’s what it is. Y’all gotta do some research 😭
Here’s one (I’m still binging the original Muppet Show, so forgive me if this has an answer); So, in ABC’s The Muppets (specifically the episode with Kristen Chenoweth), it is revealed that Janice at one point was dating Dr. Teeth. This could have been off screen, but I have found nothing on that yet. I do know Janice was with Zoot at one point around Season 1, and this has been acknowledged. Is this an inconsistency? If it isn’t, is there an episode or movie that can prove this happened?
This is a girthy one! Good find!
I just saw this video and then decided to watch the muppet show but coincidentally landed on an episode where ms piggy oinks! It’s in episode 11 with Florence Henderson ! :)
I frankly would LOVE a look at BOTH Muppet Babies shows.
The 80s one was My introduction to basically ANY movie that wasn't Star Wars. and it plays in to the Lore confusion a LOT
other things to discuss for lore or not
Muppet Family Christmas
Kermit's Swamp Years
Original and reboot Fraggle Rock and over seas variants
Emit Otter's Jug band Christmas
The Great Santa Claus Switch
Muppets Sex and Violante
Wilkins Coffee
the young and Teen Muppets books
Muppets Magazine
Muppets comics
Skeeter
The Jim Henson Hour
The Story Teller
The Cosbey Show Muppets crossover
The Dark Crystal
Labyrinth
It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie -more lore here
The Christmas Toy
Sam and Friends
John Denver and the Muppets: A Christmas Together
Rocky Mountain Holiday with John Denver and the Muppets
The Muppets at Walt Disney World
The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson
The Ed Sullivan Show
SNL
all there talk show interviews
The 190 Earth Day Special
Dog City
Disneyland's 35th Anniversary
other thing to look at , Mickey's 60th Birthday
and if you Really Don't want to watch Muppet babies, and IDK what the hang up is, its great, just remember , you watched Blue's Clues and Bluey.
LORE??? LORE???????
Dont forget Kermit the swamp years
Definitely gonna watch it before the next list!
18:22 How is this one an inconsistency? Lew is suggesting a movie, but likes a different genre the best. Nothing odd about that.
Needed a good excuse to express my Lew hate
Enjoyed the video, glad CZcams suggested it and looking forward to the follow up 👍🏽 two notable points in this Arsenio Hall interview, Kermit says his relationship with Miss Piggy isn't romantic, it's a professional "stage" relationship for the Muppet show. Also Rowlf calls Arsenio a son of a bitch lol. czcams.com/video/JcIYsmdpEd0/video.htmlsi=kx3B6N-Rr26My0iM
Woah! Good pull!
Can you get rid of the auto-generated chapters please?
Is that possible?
@@RealKillianTubeyes, Sign in to CZcams Studio. Click Settings . Click Upload defaults. Click the Advanced settings, uncheck "Allow automatic chapters (when available and eligible)".
i finally did this, slime
It's not offensive for a white guy to do a voice that's a homage to a black guy
Oh wow! Now I know, thank you! Let me edit this video and reupload it real quick
Gonzo has a girlfriend, Camilla. Scooter’s girlfriend is Chelsea handler. Stop calling everyone gay.
They gotta stop being gay first.
12:54 in a great muppet caper miss piggy and kermit break character at one point during the park scene and acknowledge the fact that they’re acting in the movie that the viewers are currently watching. so it’s not that far off saying that the other muppet movies follow the same premise of that the muppets are actors and that what you’re watching technically didn’t happen.
Frankly Muppet babies, it’s just a giant wormhole of the Muppet franchise, because in the modern day reboot, they put Robin in it, but that doesn’t even make any sense because cause that would mean permit the frog and robin are around the same age, but apparently according to the original Muppet show he is five and I’m 90% sure Kermit is 68 years oldalso, apparently in Muppet babies Robin is a poly for frog, which why isn’t Kermit to as well aren’t you too both babies
Is it a whole different universe? 😵💫
Maybe