Job quickly goes bad! I melted the wrong part! Damaging a Honda Odyssey P0420 P0430 Catalytic
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A lot of mechanics would say, "It's fine, nobody will see this," and slap the welded EGR tube back in. Instead you operate off of, "If someone sees this, I want them to know it wasn't a total hack job." Respect the hell out of you going the extra mile to make your repair look right.
A blob of metal can cause difficulties with the bolts and injured hands.
I'm probably a may worse welding newb then Ray is. But that tube looked like it was stainless. And Ray mentioning not being a welder: probably not used the correct welding wire. Seems to be an issue to me. Especially considering it's an area with plenty-o-rust development. Didn't see a drop of paint, to protect the fix. Might look nice (and it does), but it will soon turn to a big rusthole in a stainless pipe?
@@Jahee-Official That area is exhaust heat temperature, painting would be a complete waste of time being burnt of very quickly, even heat rated paint would not last. You are correct if the tube is Stainless it should have been welded with stainless wire. As he has done it with steel wire the repair will last for a while but a new tube will be required at some point as the fixed area will rust through. He should have the sockets that grab rounded off nuts if that failed then he should have taken 3 minutes to shield the tube before getting torch happy. When working on older vehicles you need to be extra careful as many parts are not going to be easily available, if at all.
Fiber Ninja has a saying.
'work like your going to have to service it'
@@wirefeed3419 galv spray and high temperature paint should be pretty good with temperature (I've not actually seen it yet).
I'm glad you show all the challenges along the way instead of just jump cutting through them. That wat makes you videos so great!
This is what made the original wheeler dealers great...the current version is similar to that annoying scotty kilmer guy.
Agreed. It’s disingenuous to edit out all the hardships, and it demoralizes some people when they hit road blocks and can’t do the job in record time.
@@Brindle_Boxer that's why it's called video though that is why the video only lasts like 30 minutes as opposed to 3 hours he has missed out on a lot of things but like he said he is giving you the basic gist of it and he has to work on things he can't hold the camera the whole time that's just unrealistic it's doable but unrealistic
@@toolguyslayer1 I’m giving him credit for including the mistake. I’m talking about other repair videos that don’t include mistakes.
@@Brindle_Boxer I understood we are on the same page there I was just elaborating on what you had said earlier. No harm no foul?
Being a professional welder for over twenty years I will not lie. I winced in pain a couple of times during this video. Although, you deserve your man card for perseverance and calm under pressure. I know anytime I so much as see a rusty exhaust bolt I hiss and coil back like a vampire at the break of dawn. Also, welding tip for filling a big hole, place a brass or copper rod behind if possible, and the weld will not stick to the dissimilar material allowing for greater ease of filling said hole.
Yip
Aluminum also works as a backer but may also contaminate the weld and cause porosity. But sometimes aluminum is what you have at hand.. Just a FYI.
As a Diesel Motor Mechanic, I like how we as mechanics just get on with the job of welding/Fabrication like this as we're just expected to do it when the need arises, but as soon as you guys need to weld something in a " obscure " place we as Mechanics must just come running to remove whatever it is that is hindering your line of sight, The man did a good job in my opinion. No need to add how you " winced in pain " at someone who isn't a " Professional Welder ".
Instead of torch get an induction heater. No flame and keeps heat inside coil.
While i do weld i am far from a professional i had a piece of stainless steel teach me that LOL but anyway it’s crazy the mess we get ourselves in being a free thinking being isn’t it
A good mechanic will admit his mistakes. A Great Technician will show you his mistakes, how he fixed it, and how to avoid doing it again. A perfect mechanic doesn't exist, he leaves his mistakes for the next guy to fix. From one technician to another, Thank You for Your Service,I really appreciate the knowledge you share and how freely you give the talents you have been given.
Have you heard of anything called motorsport? If a pit mechanic makes a mistake, he doesn't have a job, so the perfect mechanic may not be in the states, but the rest of the world has.
@@clausmadsen1257 lol I can probably show you a bunch of f1 videos where pit mechanics make mistakes. Be humble my guy
Nice repair on the tubing. Just a thought on the "movement" of hard parts around a radiator. A thin sheet of cardboard dropped between the radiator and the part being removed can prevent damage to the fins and is real cheap insurance.
Now this is what it's like to work up Noth on absolutely everything from wiper blades to motor mounts lol 🙌
@Freiherr Dinckelacker i wrap a piece of electrical tape over the front and back of the screw holes on the plate.. been doing that for the last 20 years, haven't had a rusting problem yet.
@Freiherr Dinckelacker I live in Jersey...about a half hour from the ocean. Rust is a way of life here. Especially with the way they oversalt the roads during winter.
So glad I live in south GA where we rarely see rust
@Freiherr Dinckelacker Ok, since i don't live there, i don't know. No need to be a dick about it.
Given that you lived in red bank, you can attest to just how much they oversalt the roads.. Hell, it's only gotten worse since sandy. ever since then, if the forecast even LOOKS like it might have snow in it, there's trucks, painting the roads with salt water.
Anyway, maybe it's not as bad here, but it's still pretty bad. Used to have rust problems with fasteners and plates, until i started doing the thing with the electrical tape. I know the trick i use works here. ::shrug::
@Freiherr Dinckelacker 😳 well alright then.
McGuyver does it again. It amazes me to watch you do this stuff. I’m a retired pathologist. I’m know nothing about repairing vehicles but I have been in situations that required some McGuyvering to diagnosis a surgical patient. I’ve also been summoned to calibrate many a microscope in my 42 year career (not part of my job description) but I was always happy to help. Have a great weekend Ray and family.😊❤️
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If it weren't for your videos I don't think I'd ever remember to have a good day! 😊
Ray please listen to me on your welding. Step one: clean your metal first. Step two: when welding on thin metal such as pipes place copper on the inside. Cleaning the metal beforehand will make your weld adhere better. Placing the copper on the inside of the pipe will allow you to lay your weld down without the big glob on the inside of the pipe because it will not weld to the copper and will help to dissipate the heat so you don’t burn through the pipe. Also keep practicing and make welding not your enemy. Mechanic on brother.
Real men of genius: heres to you mr Catalytic converter replacer man! You took the time to correct your mistakes on a melted egr tube. you took initiative to weld the hole back together and grind it down to look pretty. We salute you mr catalytic converter replacer man!
"More pry-bar" is the solution to most of my problems. You got me saying "click" even when I lock my truck doors.
I grew up in an automotive repair shop, went to school for it and spent many years (over 15) as a professional technician. I must say this dudes attitude is great and all his phrases took me back to the days of shaving my skin off on under shields and busting knuckles. I really like this channel. its true that every simple straight forward job is one stuck/stripped bolt away from ruining your day.
Hey Ray, here comes all the "professional welders" and "just saying" folks. 😄😄
Just saying.
I would have “brazed” it.🤪
I would have cleaned the surface I was going to weld on….just saying 🤣🤣
It’s great that you are not, ashamed to show the accidental mistakes too. An honest Technician.
I like it when I see someone else talking to the parts as if they are not inanimate objects i.e. "Get in there you bastard" etc. My neighbors all go inside when they see me working on the car! Nice job done under pressure.
The next time you have to weld some thin wall tubing you can use a brass drift or a piece of copper tubing to slide inside the tubing. The weld won't stick and it helps to control the heat of the tubing better. Hope this makes sense.
I use copper. Especially when I snap a bolt and need to build it up again
@@bdog4u2 Great tip!
Also start weding on the thicker part and building the bridge, starting welding on the edges tends to burn away material.... im also a noob with experience in burning holes bigger :P
@@frodestillingen Also best , using stainless welding technique , on stainless tubing !
@@williamallen2817 it doesn't matter man stainless is just steel with some chromium and nikel to make it rust resistant
It will only make the stainless steel rust where it's welded if using a normal steel wire
Good suspense! And awesome repair! That's pretty much how all my DIY jobs go: 1. Diagnose problem, 2. Damage part while trying to remove it, 3. Realize that part is unobtainium (or way over my budget), 4. Attempt unconventional repairs which either work or don't work.
Same, I always say "I gotta break it worse before I can fix it better" LOL
Same here too, this is why I rarely ever work on my own shit. Lol. I can fix other people's stuff without issue 95% of the time. But my own? 95% of the time I break it worse. I wonder why that is.
Southern guys with torches.... Too funny... In the North East, you have to be a surgeon with the fire wrench... You are fun to watch, Ray.... Peace....
"Woosah, woosah, woosphrabah. In with the good, out with the bad." [9:01]
That captures quite a bit of the essence of repair work.
"Stress level rising" was pretty spot on too
I think that is goosfraba from the movie anger managemeczcams.com/video/ky_25eC9a9I/video.html
You do a good job with your videos. Sometimes I find myself rubbing imaginary rust particles out of my eyes while watching your endeavors.
That Honda has excessive rust for a Florida vehicle. Must have come from Eric O's part of the woods.
Or it lives near the beach. Salt ocean air can cause that i think.
That van is basically rust free if it were in the north. Torch gets taken out for basically every vehicle I work on thats on the hoist.
How in God's name do you remember where all those bolts and brackets go once you've stripped everything down...? Hats off to you Ray!
Oh that was a easy one lol, we are built different and can remember what goes where a lot of the time by size and color (as in the color of the rust lol)
"It can't be stuck if it's liquid" - LOL I'm a Handyman by trade, and YOU emulate my favorite saying, "Fix your mistakes so no one knows it was a mistake and had been fixed."
"Disclaimer: I'm not a welder!"
Don't you worry about that, after this, nobody will ever suspect you of being one!!!!
XD
horrovac, Lol, thanks, that was good!
A grinder and paint make me the welder I ain't
@@Cynsham, Red Green! That guy had a bunch of great sayings. “Remember, I’m pulling for you. We’re all in this together.” and “ Keep your stick on the ice “!
@@Hoaxer51 lm a rat jumping ship
Good comment @horrovac Got a good chuckle out of that.
As someone who once trained to become an industrial mechanic, I've burned my share of holes in things I shouldn't have. It's always great fun to have a hole in something that doesn't even exist, because the last time someone made a part for that machine was around the time it was installed, in 1963. Doesn't help much 40yrs later, when the company who made the thing was bought up like 5 times and now only services some arcane piece of software from the other side of the globe. Sometimes it's more about getting the job done, then getting it done to perfection. I've left some creative welds on the odd machine over the years. Now I do computer stuff. I miss my old job.
working at the shipyards in cairns, qld, was sent to weld up a geni exhaust, didnt have to do circles,or vertical ups or any patterns, the engine could not be turned off, so just held the rod closish & the engine did the rest. 5 guys got the ass that day for going to pub at lunch on urgent job. these joba were down the river,not at the shop..
As an industrial mechanic that's going into computer jobs, I don't think I'll miss it. Did my fair share of cars, boats, industrial equipment,... I'm rather sick of it.
I used to be a industrial mechanic. I do miss it, I moved up into supervision but I still try to get out and beat on equipment when I can.
I am not a mechanic by any means but have kept my 1989 Honda CRX HF on the road for just under thirty three years without it ever being in the shop except to have the tires replaced. The car has 387,000 miles on the odometer and has never left me even once although it has been coast to coast four times and to Canada (over 1,000 miles each way) ten times. I never even carry a screwdriver with me even to this day. I only have a flashlight in the glove compartment in case I need to see something under the hood at night (even though I have never had to). The engine has the original pistons, rings, crankshaft, bearings, camshaft, block, heads, valves, and valve guides. I have put on one starter, one master cylinder, and naturally the timing belt, hoses, tensioner, etc. I do all of my own work and I truly appreciate that you show how the struggle is real. But, I trust that you get satisfaction out of a job well done. I know I do. From my perspective, preventative maintenance is the key. I see in many of your videos that people put preventative maintenance off far too long. I have been preaching preventative maintenance for the last several decades and my car is evidence of the long term rewards. Thanks for the great content. I look forward to each new video (especially the commentary).
Why do i get so much joy from watching someone else do a job the way i would? Awesome channel
I see lots of mechanics have different way to do things, but from my perspective as a back yard mechanic, I really enjoy watching your videos. One of the best parts to me is when you mess up and show how to correct that. That's important for us back yard mechanics.
DITTO THAT!
I agree
Just remember you don’t have to be a good welder if you’re good at grinding
A grinder and paint makes me the welder I ain't. Doesn't matter what they look like, get good penetration and continuous weld that's all that matters.
he should of cleaned the sufaces first. allways on any job..lucky it just didnt keep burning away.. as they do on paper tubes..
Everybody starts at the grinder stage.
You got the skills Ray. Now you can come to Michigan and do this every day.
you may not be a good welder, but your good enough to cover up that your not a good welder and i can respect that.
Morning Ray, love a vid where I'm like dang that's clean then you're like dang that's rusty.
In the North East you take one look at exhaust bolts and just start with the cutoff wheel
Yep it's the same deal in the midwest.
From PA. WHAT EXHAUST BOLTS ? HELL NOT MUCH EXHAUST LEFT.
Meanwhile in (not west coast) Canada, rust is what makes our cars hold together
Same in the UK. I always replace them with stainless studs and nuts.
@@Jin-Ro GREAT THINKING, SIR.
In the rust belt those nuts look really good.
Yea, as long as you had the torch out anyways, just get the nuts red hot (maybe white hot) and they’ll come right off.
@@Hoaxer51 Agree! I can usually get anything apart without actually cutting it. red hot, turn it out...
I heat the center first, thinking it will expand first and 'crush' the rust, finish by heating the nut; but I don't know if that step helps, or is all in my head...
If it is a stud or bolt, I let it cool a moment until the red dulls.
Don't want the exposed portion softer than the engaged portion.
Might not be necessary, but I never wanted to chance it...
Mr K L
My dad preached about how a real man never loses his temper. In all your vids I’ve seen you keep incredible composure despite complications from tools, hardware, customers, and even the bosses. Now when I’m shade-tree wrenching and hit a diagnosing wall, smash a finger, or snap a bolt, I just make your little doobily-doo phone noise to remind myself and keep going. Your failures are just as good to watch as the successes.
The unmechanical person: It's just a little part! Why charge me so much labor!?!?
Not a mechanic, just a customer of them. I love these. As a woman who has met mechanics that clearly think I will be a cash cow for them. I thank you for helping me learn how to appreciate a good honest mechanic and how to tell when I find one.
I still haven't learned how to find a good honest mechanic. I thought I had found one a few times but they proved I hadn't.
welding suggestion - use the wire wheel and grinder to clean up the part before welding then to keep porosity at a minimum snip off the end of your wire every time as that burned little glob on the end adds contaminates to the weld and that causes porosity then use filler wire about the size of coat hanger. you can get that from your weld supplier. this does 2 things. it helps with filling the hole and by adding cold wire to the process it helps from over heating and making the hole bigger. if you know how to add filler wire with oxy acetylene this works the same way. welding is a series of details and when you leave those out you make thigs more difficult. with a hole that size you could have cut a patch out of some sheet metal or used a thick washer to fill up most of that hole. by adding that much weld on one spot on one side you risk shrinkage on that one side and that can cause the end of the tube to be crooked and the flange wont line up right then there will be tension on one side of that tube when you bolt it all back together and with the vibration of the motor running that can cause that weld to crack.
Windy and cold here in Ireland this morning and it’s days like this that my wife would love to be in the Florida sunshine but anyhoo back to watching Ray getting “ stuck in” as we say in our little part of the earth, ps after watching to the end and you saying that you are not a morning person my wife and myself are morning people but our youngest daughter is so so much not a morning person so I fully understand how that works,
Used to love to work on cars back when you could just about climb in the engine bay and reach just about every thing, them days are no more!
Oh my! That reminds me of growing up in the 60's/70's! All our Chevy Pickups & Grain-Trucks, & my Dad's Lincolns! His last one was a '76 Black/Black Lincoln Town-Car with the oval rear "Opera-Windows". God I loved that Land-Yacht!
And yes, you COULD stand beside that big V8!!🤓😍
I like the fact you cleaned up the welds on the EGR tube that no one will ever see.
Your awesome!! I have worked on cars for 30 years (no schooling for it) I’m a glorified shade tree man that has repaired mistakes from every garage in my area. Only one that I trust and they are like you HONEST. I’m retired due to disability but I once in a while fix a vehicle here and there for single mothers cause I don’t want them getting ripped off and I usually do it at cost of parts if it’s not a big job
Exhaust work is always.. exhausting. Nothing goes as planned
Small little tip for welding:
If possible, use a copper rod (if available) for the inside of a tube. You can't weld copper to steel and it would save you save time cleaning the inside of the tube. Hope you read this and hope you knew that beforehand, if not then you leanred something for next time :)
Like your videos, always something new to see!
It's an absolute pleasure to be down here in 'Comment Land'. Best auto repair channel on CZcams!
Great job, Ray! That's what makes you a real mechanic and me a parts changer. Put a piece of copper tube behind your weld. The filler won't stick to it and gives you a backstop for a puddle.
Awesome work I've been there to myself just remember every 20 minute job is one broken bolt away from 3 hours headache
Is that fk feeling that leaves you rethinking your life under the car looking at the body wondering if it will fell off the jacks and end the misery. 😂
I'm that guy in the shop cussing up a storm because you've got to remove three or more items before getting to the problem area on the car. I learned how to work on vehicles with my dad. It was always a small block Chevy in a truck or full size car. Lots of room to work. Then I bought an LS1 powered Camaro Z28. I learned real fast how modern cars are such a pain to work on.
Blue coolant... The bane of my existence. A trucking company I drove for used to use the blue coolant. On more than one occasion, various drivers (me included) would inevitably dump a gallon in the windshield washer fluid reservoir. In our defense, the company saved all the old washer fluid bottles and refill them with that dang blue coolant.
Remember Ray: A grinder and paint can make you the welder you aint
But he didn't use paint on this piece of stainless tube, which he welded up most likely with regular welding wire...
@@Jahee-Official it's just a saying man...
Catalytic converter thiefs hate that car. Good job ray. Like your videos :)
Have to pay someone to steal it
Agreed, too much work for a thief, 2 minutes, $200.00, this is way too much work, they might have to sweat !
**I appreciate your reference to Santeria. Now I'll have Sublime Santeria in my head all day. Could be worse.**
“I am not a welder.”
We know and love you anyway Ray.
been watching your channel quite a bit lately, this is the first job I've seen that mirrors most of my work on my cars, everything goes wrong, and eventually you resort to a torch, welding and grinding to fix things you broke unrelated to the repair.. good to know it happens to the best of us too and it's not just me lol
That was definitely a tricky job. Fine repair to that pipe I must add 👍
The more I watch your vids, the more I like driving my vintage cars. No cats, no computers, no problems. I open the hood and can see the ground. 56 yrs old and parts are still easy to get, and cheap. I quit wrenching when they started putting computers in cars. You have my respect for your patience with the BS.
I have never seen so many crusty rusty cars getting repaired before watching your channel. This car has 243 000 Km on the clock. Resale value would be nil in Australia. Also not sure how you knew it was the converter that was faulty and not the sensor. Keep up the good work. 👍
That was not rusty, that was pretty clean Ray just gets to work on barely rusty vehicles. You should see a vehicle from the rust belt.
Did someone disconnect the phone in the workshop???
Damn you...😆 now I will be making the phone noise all day..(like the song that you hear first up in the morning that gets stuck in your head)
Doooodeeeedooooo 🙃
I learned something new, as always!. Thanks for your interesting and HONEST videos!
I give you credit for doing the job completely and thorough
Jeez christ!!! What a professional thinker...you outsmarts all that is set before you
Ray, great job on the camera work. You do such a good job on explaining the steps you go through. You have a great channel !
I'd like to see a video explaining your reasons for choosing this career path and the biggest hurdles you had along the way
id like to see the video of him explaning it to the costomer lamo
@@fernandocruz3457 no shit!!! Hated those customers that always wanted shit fixed cheap as possible
I truly do enjoy seeing any welding projects. I have never had any training, aside from assisting my Dad, who was a professional welder years ago.
In a civilized planet the intake manifold of that Honda would be a finely polished aluminum.
It is a nice looking piece just covered up by plastic.
Thanks for undoing your black magic cauliflower of a weld^^
That was actually not even bad, I've seen - and done - worse welding jobs. Thin metal parts can be quite elusive.
Now for some welding advice, that has probably been mentioned here before:
When welding unweldable holes in steel pipes or sheet metal (espescially of the crusty, oxygen-rich variety), use a piece of copper underneath. Like a smaller diameter pipe or some copper sheet. The steel weld won't stick (very tightly) to the copper and doesn't flow away while you try to fill in the hole(s).
Don't use brass, though. While it still doesn't stick to the steel, the zinc in the alloy will evaporate and give you a bad fever for a day or two.
I like your videos very much. I am amazed at how effortlessly you film the work, complete the repair and comment on the progress of the work. It is indicative of a real pro.
TIL that there's another hole for the hood prop... at 71, and the son of an aircraft mechanic, I was amazed lol
Every time he comes up in my recommended he’s damaging a car. Props to you for being brave and working on things even some of us gearheads wouldn’t touch
Great video. A lot of manufacturers utilize the downstream oxygen sensors for fuel trim adjustments. That's been going on for a while now.
My '04 nissan certainly does, not all the time, but sometimes. Putting an extender on the downstreams caused major rich condition over time.
"Reusable" or "Unobtainium" metal gaskets can be whetted with
Permatex Ultra Copper Anti-seize to drastically aid in sealing
and lightly add to fastener threads, to achieve a proper torque,
without risk of galling or snapping studs. That was a decent
MIG plug, I would've rather brazed. You could've cut the flanges
off, get 3/4 copper pipe and carefully bend for replacement.
Install flange, then flare or braze. If you can find scrapyard parts-
are always better than a "repaired" part, in your case it worked fine.
Thank you very much for the video, Ray. 😁
Since cats often get red and even orange hot brazing might not be a durable repair for that pipe. I know they don't get that hot when operating normally but sometimes, for whatever reason, they get really hot. Usually from an engine miss.
@@utidjian It is the nature of a catalyst to get hot-
that's part of how it works, the chemical reaction.
Long periods of misfires can poison a converter- it's catalyst gets
soaked with unburnt fuel. 450℃ (842℉) is the brazing temperature;
the EGR tube would (hopefully) never get _that_ hot.
@@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP Yeah prob not these days with all around EFI and coil packs and whatnot. Back in the day when they slapped cats on carburetted cars with single coil - distributor - ignition wire ignition systems it was not unusual to see cars come in with cats glowing bright orange. They used to have warnings on the visors and in the owners manual to never park over dry grass. Thes days for reasons already mentioned an orange yellow glowing cat is far more rare occurence. My point still stands... brazing a patch over that hole will not be as durable as welding.
@@utidjian A $65 new pipe is best, take it as collateral damage. Ray did do a fantastic MIG job.
We serviced the vehicles with the "Electric carburetors", and yes I remember the warnings on the visor- where SRS advisories are now.
I was an Apprentice in my Uncle's Shop at 10, Bay Mechanic at 15, Service Writer/Bay Mechanic until 23. Not getting into a pissing contest here. Neither of us is uninformed, ok? I'm done here. Cheers.
This guy needs the patience award!
i loved your silence when you were under pressure! great vid thank you.
Love these videos......keep up the great work
Awesome job welding up that EGR tube! I would say you are a welder. Come up to New England. You'll get plenty of practice up here!
Just make sure it is open enough inside. I remember taking exhaust off my daughter's car and finding where someone probably at muffler shop welded exhaust tube and inside I could see it was only open about 1/3 the normal ID. Right off the manifold, I was amazed it still ran as good as it did.
All the exhaust going through a 3/4" hole.
My victory cry comes from Superman 2 with Christopher Reeve where General Zod says "I WIN AGAIN!!! IS THERE NO ONE ON THIS PLANET WHO COULD EVEN CHALLENGE ME!?!"
Ray Ray there's no such thing as I'm not a morning person, your a strong person to overcome that. Just be a morning it's easy if you put your great mind to it
Ray, Next time you need to weld like this, Get a wire coat hanger, hold it over the hole, and weld it to the side of the hole. Repeat until filled. You did a very nice job though.
Personally I'd rather use a stick electrode with the coating smacked off. The reason being the wire coat hangers are usually galvanised or plated.
"Shall we make the exhaust components accessible?"
"Nah, they'll never need to be replaced"
"Um, ok, well shall we make the fasteners corrosion-proof at least?"
"Hmm.... nah"
I was thinking along the lines of "wait until some poor b@stard tries to replace this thing yuk yuk yuk".
Like when we had brass nuts on exhaust flanges.
It's what happens when you car is designed by accountants
I was thinking the same thing, why are exhaust nuts and bolts always rusted beyond reusable, for the most part. Sometimes you get lucky though.
Can you fault them? They are in the business of selling cars, not fixing them, after all.
What a horrible job to get stuck with but you've pressed on and got it done. I'm no mechanic but your work oddly inspires me to just find solutions to get things fixed rather than abandon hope, pronounce the thing fkd forever and toss it. Awkward thank you, Raybert! XD
A grinder and paint make me the welder I ain’t! Nice to have the right tools for the job:))
copper pipe or a piece of copper on the inside of the hole will give you a fast cooling area that you can weld over. It must be thick so even a copper bar. As a boilermaker i used this method many times when the gap was way to wide to bridge.
Brass works a little better
G'day Ray, I would have definitely tried the angry pliers before I tried the torch , just sayin 😁
Usually when the nut is that bad the bolt threads itself aren’t gonna be much better. Extractor sockets with some lube and heat is about the only way besides liquid. And this is coming from someone who loves his PWZ’s. I have all the sizes from 0-4
I can't see any room for the angry pliers.
Sir, beggin’ your pardon, but what are “angry pliers”-and where can I get some?
@@sensatec13 they are a cross between multi-grips and stilsen wrench, Ray often used these in other vids, send him a message, he's really good at answering questions, there's probably a link in the description.
We salute you, Mr. unobtanium egr valve tube hole welder and grinder guy.
I'm a welding instructor in North Carolina, not bad for a rookie. I give you an A+.
never understand why dont spray the rusty nuts first
Yea up here in Pa I'd always use like PB Blaster the night before if possible, it really does soak in and work a lot of the time.
Ray, you deserve to have an "ego" your not just a repair man that works in a shop on the side of the road, you're one of the VERY few out there that goes by the saying "if you're gonna do it, do it right!" Not many people are like that, well. more specifically more "repairmen" aren't like that. you know the trade all too well, and you know how do turn a shitty job into a good day!
“Technician” is the word.
"4 more bolts up here", No Ray, they are NUTS.
AN INTERNET GEM! you are the gold ring in a polluted river and i love everything your doing ! great job! and hello from london
Thanks for another great video, Ray. One small correction though, the downstream sensors on these Hondas with A/F ratio sensors (and some other makes) actually do affect fuel control. They are definitely doing more than ONLY monitoring the cat and I have seen these sensors skew. While not the case on your vehicle in the video, I've seen fuel trims off on these that were not corrected with replacement upstream sensors but finally corrected after new downstream sensors. So, on a 150K mile Honda with a cat code and on the original sensors, I'd definitely recommend replacing the associated O2 sensors (and probably all four,) as well.
I was thinking the same, do the whole job once. It may be a couple hundred in sensors but well worth not messing up the new cat.
@@davidtryon1205 Yeah, cats don't usually just fail on their own. Something takes them out. With no obvious issues showing as to why the cat failed, I'd be real suspicious of the O2's. I have replaced them on these Odysseys that are thowing cat codes and had the cat codes not come back after replacement. If the customer has time I usually recommend a pair of O2's and if the code returns, then replace the cat. If the customer/shop just wants a one stop repair and cost isn't the issue, just replace the cat and the O2's.
@@johnaclark1 yea def u are correct, just like ecms, back in the early 00s working at Napa people would lots of times condemn the ecm. And I would warn them, something else has to cause the ecm to fail, have u figured that out yet? Because once u plug in the new ecm if it does the same thing, I'm not taking that electrical part back. Theres so much inter communication in cars now that it usually ends up being the cheaper part that in some way interacts with the major part. But yea i agree with u all the way.
Depends, I replaced the cat and the O2 cat sensor on my 02 Honda Accord due to the same code. I never replaced the other fuel trim O2 sensor because it was only a couple years old. It is a OEM part and expensive as heck. That one upstream sensor cost more than the cat and cat O2 sensor combined. The code has never returned yet and the engine has over 323,000 miles. Sometimes the cats just go bad on their own, but it is always a good idea to replace the downstream O2 sensor with the cat every time.
@@garyr7027 Yes, it depends on the year of the vehicle. On the 2002 Hondas they used standard O2 sensors for the upstreams, not air/fuel ratio sensors. In that case, the downstream sensor is just for cat monitoring. On later models, they went to air/fuel ratio sensors and the downstream sensor is involved, to some degree, in fuel control.
Suspense! When you were cleaning up that weld repair I was wondering if a pinhole would appear. (That's my kind of luck anyway.)
How to patch! Grind away destroyed metal, cleaning up inside. Heat form a patch to go on outside. A piece of pipe the next size larger is a great donor. Then Tig or torch weld or braze is my favorite.
@@michaelvangundy226 JB Weld! Works best on places that get hot as it helps the it cure.
@@phillipdewitt4454
I've had great luck using screen door screen to hold it together. Cloth for little holes and metal for exhaust. Once I patched the side of a lawn mower block. On boats I've used a similar product called Marine tex.
He did awesome! I would have subbed that part out to my best friend
@@phillipdewitt4454 Not that hot. It's basically a plastic (resin) after it cures. Check out Project Farm for a demo of it failing in motor heat.
You are a real man a genius you know what you’re doing
You may not be a welder Ray, but you did a great job fixing that hole correctly. Especially since you didn't overheat the pipe trying to fix it
Welding... If it sounds like bacon.your great. If it smells like bacon. Stop, your on fire.
Use a nut splitter instead of using the torch and you will avoid damaging components unnecessarily
Gravity’s close friend “clearance” says uh uh.
Could have used an extractor that clamps/bolts to the nut. There was clearance for that.
A nut splitter ain't going to fit in there. If I were to tackle that, heat it up cherry and remove with a stripped nut extractor. If that didn't work, cut the nut with a torch and open it up with an air chisel (or spin it off then).
@@mph5896 yep, my best way is torch the bottom, then split the nut with a air hammer
Where are all the welder “ professionals” when you need them late on a Friday @ 3-4:00 pm ? Great job, will it last ? Exhaust guys deal with this every day ! It’s when exhaust shops start doing life saving brake jobs ! Again 👍👍👍 Happy Friday !
I miss those commercials.
I actually found a place to download all of them and add them to my iPod.
I've plugged in my fair share of scan tools, but never on the first try. It's like plugging in a USB the right way on the first try. It's nearly impossible.
I agree. You figure it is a 50/50 chance, but for some reason it IS the third try that works.
@@kenmohler4081 yep, its always the other way....after the other way has failed...😀
Unrelated aside: USBs have the network 'symbol' on the 'up' side.
I never knew that either until one click-bait YT of the 'things you didn't know' kind, enlightened me!
has proven consistent except on one rechargeable Chinese flashlight I own...
It would be nice if car makers put all DLCs in facing the same way!! (IIRC they are different on different cars, correct?)
I don't see any advantage for any particular orientation, they are all on wire harnesses (as opposed to module mounted), so they should be able to be standardize I would think.
How about narrow side towards the foot-well car makers?? (as some are vertical)
When the cat control sensor reads that the cat isn't working as it wishes, you could just install an extender for that sensor so you fool it as it reads less carbon.
Thats a hack, and Probably illegal 😅
wait that'S illegal !
@@descent8275 He's in Florida and could do it, but the customer would probably rather install that themselves and a shop isn't going to suggest a $20 repair over a $600 one.
Technically that’s illegal a reputable shop won’t put those on and the whole point of a catalytic converter is to save the ozone and at inspection time they look for those spacers now since everyone wants to cheat
@@jackmehoff1565 yes, clean cars means I can enjoy more megayatchs
'grinder and paint make the welder i aint'
you could definitely try to live by that phrase
Nice save Ray ! I usually go for the cheapest part replacement first. Last time I had a problem with wife's Nissan I had the same P Code. Swapped out the sensor first and it solved the problem.
Pre-cat gaskets/flanges can also be leaking. Smoke test to check
How did you know the problem was the converter and not the sensor??
I admit I entertained the same thought.