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Twin Twin Review Review doesn't get anything about dmc5 (part 1)
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- čas přidán 24. 10. 2022
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As someone who absolutely adores Nero. His blatant lying, and gross misunderstanding of his amazing character disgust me. Nero's arc in 5 is one that's of finding your family, Acceptance, Rising from Failure, Change, and of course gaining power. Nero is the reason Dante, and Vergil are alive, because they are his family. And he's going to do his damndest to keep them. When Nero finds out Vergil is his father, he wants to fight him still. And everyone else around him goes. "You can't kill your own father." All the while Nero never said he was going to kill his father. It was clear that he was never going to kill Vergil, but everyone else talking about killing him made him doubt himself. But when he spoke to Kyrie and she said. "You Always which path is right, and which is wrong. There's no need to doubt yourself." Hearing that from one person he loves more than anything in the world gave him the confidence to believe what he was going to do from the start was right. He couldn't save Credo, and he wasn't going to lose another family member. Not when he has the power to do so. That desire unlocked his true Devil Trigger. And it's very poetic that his Devil Trigger is the one that looks the most like an Angel. Because in both instances of him awakening the Devil inside of him, it was always to protect someone else. Never out of hate, or revenge. It was always to protect.
The bit about Yamato power to separate man from demon has been included since DMC4 lol, in the novel Dante uses it to free Nero from the Savior as they had fused and become one single unique existence. It doesn't work only on yourself but on others too but just like any other Yamato power it requires to user to want to actually do that
I always interpreted it as Nero needing a weapon sharp enough to cut the savior, is it actually specified that Yamato "separated" them?
@@notheresomewhereelse yep, Dante talks a lot about it on how Yamato separated power from hear, man from Demon and other stuff and more importantly that Yamato is the only thing capable of saving Nero because of that specific power
@@Tony-lw5yp huh, well I guess the other logic mentioned in the video was the correct one, basically it only happens if the stabbed one wants it to happen
@@namgge2612 Cope
@@Tony-lw5yp Cope
I think it's fairly obvious that mister Twin Twin formed an unreasonably stubborn opinion on DMC 5 before it actually came out, and didn't want to accept the possibility that he was wrong and unreasonable, so he doubled down with shoddy evidence, and tried to claim superiority by saying he wasn't "afraid to dislike the game," and that he somehow thinks more than every other player. It's honestly kind of embarrassing.
There are people making similar claims about "God of War Ragnarok" right now.
@@ElvenRaptor I mean some people had good reasons for disliking Ragnarok with some actual proof and others that love to overexaggerated it and hate it because people usually overrate it a lot as much As Gow 2018
@@Omega-jg4oq I have yet to see a good reason to outright dislike GOWR, and I have yet to see anyone back those arguments up with even remotely acceptable evidence.
@@ElvenRaptor there are a lot of logical arguments I've seen people talk about, it's a good game but not perfect, some just don't like Atreus's gameplay and his part of the story or just don't like the character in general and how they rushed the story out to be one big very long game and the characters easily solve puzzles for you and telling how to do it without letting you have fun solving it yourself or Tyr character is disappointment cause he does nothing throughout the game even if it's was Odin, Odin still didn't get the job done and lost the mask anyway, or adding so many characters to the point some of them are forgettable and some who are still don't like the third person perspective since 2018
@@Omega-jg4oq Literally everything you just mentioned is completely subjective, not based in any kind of objective facts. So, I stand by my original statement.
- Eva hid Dante in the closet bcs they were being attacked by demons, the Fire wasn't the Main thing, she was going to find Vergil but she died before that.
- Trish and Dante hasn't being working together for a Long Time, that's why Dante renamed the Devils Never Cry business to Devil May Cry, They're good friends, and maybe business partners sometimes for things like, Hmm, i don't know... A CRAZY pope trying to be the ruler of the World Using His brother's Sword? Or maybe a giant tree that Is 'bout to turn Everyone into ashes bcs big brother wants More power? Morrison itself said that he would call Trish and lady bcs "This Is a big job."
This guy is unbearable, goddamnit.
If you don't like something from the beginning and you expect that something to be bad before the launch itself, obviously you won't like It later because of that mentality.
He was never willing to give the game a chance.
It’s more annoying when he’s sucking himself off, thinking that he’s objectively right.
So question is the post credit scene after dmc3's ending where the shop is called devil may cry after dmc1 then? I mean it would make sense considering by the anime he already knew Trish.
That scene Is Before DMC 1 Story and Before meeting Trish.
Timeline Is 3, 1, Anime, 2, 4 and 5
@@TheDevilDucker then why does the shop go from devil may cry to devils never cry then back to devil may cry?
Thanks to Lady, the shop Is named Devil May Cry, and Thanks to Trish Is renamed to Devils Never Cry
Thanks to the CD-Drama from the anime, we know that Dante and Trish stopped working togerher, then Dante decided to go back to the Name "Devil May Cry." Since that's the Name if His own locale, "Devils Never Cry" Is the Name of their locale, as a team, and since they're not working togerher, well... That happened
Another reason I hate ttrr's "review" is that nothing in the world is quite as infuriating as somebody arguing a point you agree with, but doing it wrong. Everyone agrees that Lady, Trish, and Kyrie are underrepresented in dmc5, but having that be an argument in that shitty video actively undermines that point. I hope if dmc6 ever appears, it'll give one of the female characters a leading role. There's a lot of potential for interesting interactions between Nero and either Trish or Lady, of which we've only seen hints so far
I mean, they already went through their character arcs, what else is there for them to do story wise, Mundus is dead so Trish wouldn't have any story elements to build up on, also, Lady and Trish aren't that powerful, the best they can do in the story now is give Nero some wisdom, that's about it
@The Gamer Dante confirmed he killed him in DMC 2 Novel, which is canon
Honestly I'd be down if they can manage to give Kyrie more character and have her become one of the playable characters. With a movestyle similar to (Angelo) Credo, have it be based off of the Holy Knight order with some Nero moves, and Nico technology sprinkled in?
It's a far fetch ofc, but I'd love to see her in a non damsel in distress way for once.
@@vivi6581 nah kyrie being normal is the point like a parallel to Eva
If they were to add a character with their own unique mechanics I hope they pull a dmc2 with customizable devil trigger and abilities could be pretty neat
LUCIA
I love how he shows TLOU as genre defying. The best joke of the video.
We need more people like you. Defending both sides of hack and slash games and soulslike games.
"devil breakers don't make a difference" how to say "I didn't bother to learn even the surface of Neros arsenal" without saying just that.
I'm crap at Nero, and even I can feel the difference between using and not using the breakers
This video is half fun and half "just kill me." Respected your effort to withstand the pain of making this video.
That beggining with a bunch of "why is x like y" made my brain hurt
the dude just said "The Hard Truth about Dmc5" and processes to make so many dumb questions and jokes just to prove that he doesn't know nor understand anything about Dmc5 and its story and just blindly disliking it without any logical points
The first part of the video just shows that he hasn't been paying attention to just about ANYTHING throughout all of the DMC games.
i feel like twin twin just wants to be told everything without him having to think a lot, like he fr needs to understand the concept of '' Show, don't tell ''
Yet he says that we don’t think about the series and it’s plot.
The more I think of this video the angrier I get.
"Vergil was too young to father a child"
...does he not know teen pregnancies exist?
Does he not know males have a weird quirk in that, biologically, as long as we can produce (not dud) sperm we have the capacity to make kids with women no matter our age?
Nero's age in 4 isn't stated directly, I heard somewhere he's meant to be the same age as Dante was in 3 but I can't remember for the life of me where this was said.
Even then Dante's age is never definitively given in any game, hell last I checked a lot of theories and discussions are debated about how old he actually is back before 5 came out.
Hell even in 3 we're never given an exact age that isn't in spin off/lore notes, we can only guess Vergil and Dante are late teens with Vergil being older.
How can 1 off hand comment cause this much of an issue?
With how rebellion activated activated sin devil trigger, dante absorbed the sparda and rebellion to make dsd so the requirement is having sparda while he stabs himself. Plus it's a call back to how his devil trigger first activated
I really appreciate the fact you analyzed almost every single point of him. It really shows you're really pissed, what shows you're really passionate about Dmc.
That and because this way no one will say that I took him out of context or something
The guy complained about Nero being arrogant and whatever in DMC5 but literally all he has to do is boot up DMC4, start the game and watch like the first 5 minutes of cutscenes. They've already established Nero to be this rebellious kid AT THE START OF HIS INTRODUCTION. That's how Nero has always been, he has a lot of angst and is arrogant but a good dude at his core.
He is not arrogant more like he is having a lot of anger issues because he doesn’t like when others underestimated him or call him DEADWEIGHT, overall he is a nice guy at the end of the day
Human blood was always the source of demon's power, that's literally why Sparda separated their worlds, so that way humans wouldn't become soft serve ice cream to demons in general. And that's the the same reason Mundus became so powerful initially, he ate a fruit of incredibly concentrated and condensed human blood, just as Mundus did, and became super duper powerful because of it
Maybe the reason why the half breeds are all so powerful. Synergistic union of demon and human without the need to kill innocents.
"Why is Griffon not annoying"
"Why is Nico SO annoying"
That's it. This man is my mortal enemy
Jokes aside, this is an amazing video you've made! This guy reminds me of some of the trolls I see in the general capcom community who think being a hipster makes them cool for some reason. It's all too common and it's nice to see someone so passionately explain and write off such an insanely delusional series of takes.
Also... How to miss the entire point of Nero as a character. Nero, if anything, is a genuine character. So much depth, right there.
Oh. Right. For this person depth is synonymous with edginess.
To add on to your point, I think another reason why stabbing Dante with the Yamato wouldn’t have any affect is because the Yamato was made specifically for Vergil. And I also think that the reason why Vergil couldn’t stab himself with the rebellion is because the rebellion was made specifically for Dante, though that is just a theory
I guess that's possible because the stand in dmc4 only appears for Vergil's descendant but not for Dante
just a theory... a GAAAAAAAAME THEORY
The Yamato wasn't designed specifically for Vergil, as it was just one of the pieces of Sparda's power that he passed down. It being able to separate man from demon is more of an activated ability that requires the willingness of the stabbed for it to happen, and it did require Vergil to need to fully stab himself down to the hilt before it fully separated him, so that could also be a deciding factor on if it actually does anything to the stabbed.
Twin Twin forgot what suspension of disbelief was.
The one singular point he does have: the women in dmc5 are .. underutilized.
This can be explained by saying "well, so is everybody that isn't a sparda by descend".
However... I want more of the others. Small knick in the otherwise great game.
When it came to DMC 4, I heavily disliked Nero. To me, he was just some snot-nosed kid that vaguely resembled dante and couldn't do anything for himself. Number 5 made me appreciate number 4 more however and made me like Nero enough to where the whole next game could just be based on Nero and I would be fine with it. If this guy played 5 and is still crying about "why isn't the game just about Dante?!" Then he's either stuck in nostalgia land, or he didn't care to pay enough attention to the story to understand what the writers are trying to do with Nero. I think they're trying to pass the torch, and they did so well with his character that I wouldn't mind that, despite being a huge fan of DMC 1 and 3.
I think the dude's definitely stuck in Nostalgia Land considering he keep referring back to exclusively DMC1 Dante in comparison
Twin Twin Reviews when the arrogant character is arrogant:
And ignorant
And idiotic
I was gonna leave a comment on the guy's video calling him a fucking moron, but after looking at his channel and how inactive/unpopular it is, I realized that I don't want to give him engagement. He probably made his DMC5 vids specifically to piss people off and get engagement, so it's probably best not to feed into it.
If I'm being completely honest, I don't think he did this for views, I think he genuinely believes this, the editing in this video is very good and the the way he talks reminds me to a lot to contrarians of the internet, I think he actually is this dumb
calling him a fucking moron for having a different opinion and not worshiping DMC 5? wow this fanbase sure is ..."mature"
Imagine complaining about the number of playable characters like wut? Playing as Lucia and Trish is the highlight of dmc2 for me and getting to play Vergil for dmc3 is great aswell as playing basically everyone in dmc4 like if anything he should be questioning why there isn’t more.
I also think his one good point about the reunion isn’t even valid like does he not realize the stakes still urizen had just escaped with a message to Dante saying the tree is fully emerged and Trish says the fruit is how Mundus became demon king and urizen was already powerful enough to be considered demon king and we know that demon kings in the series have a habit of wanting to merge the worlds like the threat is great lady says no one’s worse for wear, dante does a dance/meets nico, dante talks to Nero and v and they leave it’s not like they have time to spare especially when dante arrives urizen is already is at the fruit
My man just watched Devil May Cry 5 resumes on youtube and reddit and started pretending he knew the franchise all along and played the game like all the other kids who pretend to like DMC for memes in CZcams Shorts...
but that's the thing , DMC 5 has managed to attract kids when the series is M rated, meant for a mature audience which says more about the game itself than anything else. DMC 5 is kid friendly in story,less fanservice and lower difficulty so its not just the memes that attracted them.
@@alexvez They made it more broad yes but that doesn't excuse someone who just played said game coming here as if he knows everything of devil may cry while talking these bs.
And DMC was never that mature either. Only thing there ever was, was midly violence.
I'm honestly looking forward to playing 3 again
But I'm genuinely worried those platforming sections are gonna make me commit multiple homicides
Thankfully they’re not the main focus, it’s just for BLORBS
Bro I saw this video a while back. This guy paint himself as a longtime Devil May Cry fan but says a lot of stuff I don't think any DMC fan would say. He implies that DMC2 is a good game a long with DMC 1 and 3. He says that Nero's move set was copied from DMC Devil May Cry's dante but DMC4 came first.
Thanks for hearting the comment even all this time later. You earned yourself a subscriber. Also one thing that I can't stand about this guy and I know this is a personal thing. I hate repeating word names like this guy Twin Twin Review Review. what the hell kind of name is that it is so tedious to say. There was another CZcams channel called Troom Troom and that name makes me want to aerial rave on somebody. Also he was shilling hard for Platinum and don't get me wrong Platinum has made some good games but in hindsight after the release of Bayonetta 3. It looks like Platinum wasn't the prophet of gaming he hyped them up to be.
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 haha yeah I avoided saying his name in the video for a reason.
I'm surprised that some more people are making response videos to this guy's "review" on Devil May Cry 5. So far I've seen 3 reponse videos calling Twin Twin Reviews out. The most prominent response I've seen so far is Zimatorn. His response is 4 to 5 hours long but goes in the very tiny detail to debunk almost all of Twin Twin's claims about the game.
Well, it is an extremely bad video so it's natural, I watched the "austin hates things" one and I really liked it, I just made mine for the folks who don't want to watch an entire podcast
For the love of god... continue your amazing work with this content.
I wanted to add this because it is important and it is a counter to his "only good point" you agreed with.
Let me break it down when that Guy mentions how in their reunion they don't talk or share Information it goes a lot deeper than that.
1. In the Story/Manga Dante is OFTEN shown taking this mission very personally. Tbh him not sharing he knows who Uriezn is speaks about his character we seen only a bit in the Novels or older Mangas.
2. In The game's Story When V talks to Morrison after getting enough money to pay him (The Manga you mentioned in your video does mention this. You even show it which is great 🔥)
Dante and V talk The only characters who knew who Uriezn truly is, are Dante and V. In the Manga we see Dante get upset and think V is making a Joke at his expense.
Now in the game before they have that conversation Morrison tells Dante he is gonna give the girls a call (Lady and Trish) Dante even says "What you don't think I can handle this gig on my own?"
After their reunion in the Tree
When we play through Dante's route when he makes his way to King Cerberus. He says to himself "this is my gig" and says to himself that Nero basically shouldn't be here because We know and he is obviously hinting to people who never played DMC 4 before that He knows something about Nero and Vergil's connect
We fans knew actually what he meant and later after he tells Nero that Vergil is his father it brings it all together and how he doesn't want Nero to try and Kill his own father.
Dante bringing up at the is just him mentioning before he was gonna go off and end this.
All of this is again I mentioned is a Character Flaw which is fine especially since we know he does care about his brother and the situations involving him.
He feels like it's his problem. That's consistent. So to me their reunion is fine sure I would love to see all the crew talk and interact more. Them just having that simple talk works imo.
I can go on and on But that's my general response to that and why Dante saying it's his brother at the end matters.
Tbh your video and response is so well done and I plan on seeing part 2 shortly but yeah the other guy is being a moron and it hurts to hear him lie and or not understand that his own ideas are not only shit but would be worse for the overall story.
But his thoughts generally are bad. You really covered it really well and countered the necessary parts 👌🏾😁
It seems you misunderstood me, I agree with everything you said, what I agreed with him was that the scene doesn't feel like a reunion, no one says "hi" or gives any acknowledgement that they had been separated, at best maybe Nero told lady about Dante and that's why she isn't surprised, but that isn't explained, that's why I said it feels like there's a scene missing. It isn't a huge problem tho, just a gripe
the whole video is just "boo hoo i don't like it so it is bad"
Windu's face and the noises got me dead🤣 Also excellent breakdown of every point😁👍
I have to disagree on the trish/lady point. I don't think he made a very compelling argument but i do think that the lady and trish in this game are quite the far cry from their original versions. Lady in DMC3 was parallel to dante. Without her, he never would have changed into the man that could defeat vergil. He even tells her that in game. They share a bond because through the actions of the characters lady learned, like she says in the ending, that not every demon is evil, and that humans can be as evil as any devil. She never wanted to kill her father, but she felt a responsibility to do so because of the deaths he was likely to bring upon other people. Which is the mirror to dante. He never wanted to kill vergil. But ended up having to save other people. He woke up to his fathers true ideals of justice and that gave him the strength to beat vergil. That's compelling.
I fundamentally disagree with the fact that they didn't have enough screen time. You really don't need a lot to make an impact. That's the reason i dislike the fan service scenes. Delete those and take that runtime to let lady have a true conversation with dante or nero. How much more interesting would it have been had lady been the initial foil to dante wanting to kill vergil. Saying she regrets killing her father and wished there was another way. That could have been a great emotional moment. Or even a conversation with nero on what it means to slay family and how it affects you. Or just a conversation on how nero feels about dante and unveiling he wants to protect the family he has FOUND rather than was born with. ANYTHING but what we got. "you wouldn't want to do that" Doesn't say anything. It doesn't speak to the depth of the character.
This is the finale of the saga. These characters SHAPED dante into who he is. You would think they would have some great moments but instead, when dante gets incapacitated they selfishly try to take over his shop and than get called bitches. Why would lady ever do that. She's supposed to care about dante. I can't imagine the lady from DMC3 ever doing that to him. Nor any of the fanservice. She feels like a totally different character. If that's how people see the character than i have no idea what they got out of DMC3.
Good comment, just 2 things, one, I really doubt this is the finale of the series (as I said in the videos, but that is in part 2) and even if it is, Capcom will not really care about that anyway, and two, as much as I liked what you suggested, it is absolutely in character for Lady to try to take over Dante's shop, you have to understand that in dmc3 lady was like 17-19 and she had lost her mother recently, and now she's in her late thirties or early forties, of course she changed a lot, in fact, in both dmc4 and the anime she's always scamming Dante, she knows he's the most powerful man on earth, of course she's not worried
@@notheresomewhereelse Appreciate your measured response.
Perhaps my issue than isn't than with DMC5 lady, but rather with the way she has evolved over time. I felt like in dmc 1 and 3 the female characters were really well written. But starting with 4, they seemingly transformed into fan service vehicles. I was very taken aback with dmc4's design of lady/trish considering the series had never overtly sexualized their main female characters in that way before. DMC was always subtle. It really respected it's female characters and their agency in the story.
perhaps i am clouded by my love for these characters in their initial games. If what you say is true, than perhaps that is truly how lady and trish would react in this situation. But that's never what i personally imagined these characters would evolve into. And honestly it just isn't very interesting to me. If people prefer this that's fine. I can always go back to DMC3.
It's just twin twin bitching about whatever he can find to bitch about
Lmao "The Hard Truth about Dmc5" he says 💀
this is a great video. not only did it teach me a lot about the rest of the DMC games (i've only played dmc 5) AND it gives me more info on what the hell was happening in dmc5 (since dmc5 is the only dmc game i've played i was confused on some parts) so despite this video calling out a reviewer for their shitty takes it gave me a lot more lol. great video
I keep rewatching this two part review because it’s entertaining seeing you rip this video a new one, but when he starts saying this stuff in conclusion like “It’s ok to be wrong, I know we all wanted this game to be good. I’m glad to at least show the real tru-“
Like dude, this guy speaks with the brain complexity of Joe Biden.
with the point about lady and trish its not that the characters where forgotten about its that there was no room for them in the story
the story was closing dante and vergil's plot arcs while setting up nero as the new protagonist and there was so much that they needed to do in order to acheve those goals without bloating the game that sacrifices had to be made and those sacrifices ended up being Lady and Trish's roll in the story honestly I think it would have been better if they where just left out of the story or where implyed to be doing civilan crowd control the way trish was in 4 however given the enviorment 5 came out in I dont think the devs really had a choice they needed to include all the fan favorites and ultimatly that put lady and trish in the position they where in
Edit: just got to the point about how he thinks neco and nero have a thing despite the light novel almost outright saying that neco has a crush on kyrie and he brings up before the nightmare in his video so he is aware of it
Lady and Trish even had slight roles in the story of being used by Urizen to build up the Qliphoth, as Artemis and Cavaliere Angelo respectively, by the time they had any actual roles or said anything, the story was very close to coming to a close with little to no wiggle room for them to get involved. Also the dude has obviously never played DMC4 and heard how many times Nero yelled "KYRIE!" if he thinks Nero and Nico are a thing, Nero and Nico are business partners who treat each other almost like siblings
I know this is late but you got it wrong about this 1 thing and the story tells you it flat out.
He needs the Rebellion AND Sparda to get his SDT Griffen saud he Absorbs the Sparda when he did it.
He cant just stab himself again to unlock it. Thats the only thing
And Human blood Demons always used it to get stronger its canon in lore and the demons in game suck and drink it if you leave them alone and it heals them. So it does in fact hold more to it then the Tree.
He is the reason why movies and shows explain *everything* to the audience.
W video dmc hater got rekt
Only point i agree with is the level design, it needs a greater color variety imo
I have a few complaints about dmc5, like not being able to play through the whole game as just one character, but it's still a well made game. Though I do prefer 3.
i literally beat the trilogy in 4 days
5 in 3 days and 4 in 5 days but that was because of burnout
Can't tell whether this guy is a but hurt Bayonetta fanboy or a snoy who genuinely thinks last of us is a masterpiece. Or if he's just trolling.
What's wrong with The Last of Us?
I have one more question: Why does the Yamato look different? Did being in Nero's arm change it's appearance?
Just a design change, it doesn't really have lore relevance, the entire artsyle between the games just changed, maybe they thought the original didn't fit with the new designs
I'm not bilingual 😢
I found an another SK.
I have one question: Why does Vergil look different from Dante when they're identical twins and had identical faces in DMC 3?
They grew up, apparently in real life, it's possible for twins to gain more differences with time, and well, their lifes weren't particularly similar
I think you are all taking his opinions too much to heart. As a casual DMC player, I couldn't help but agree with his opinions about DMC 5. I find it to be a very bland game, in every sense of the word. Character design, story, color grading, world building, ALL OF IT is just, meh... decent, I guess? There are close to 0 redeeming qualities about this game as a non-hardcore fan and replaying it is like chewing on a cotton ball. Seriously one of the most disappointing games that I have come back to.
well, you said it you are a casual Dmc player.. Dmc5 is the best thing to happen and the best sequel after being away for so long, Nero is no longer Dante copy with same clothes and hairstyle like Dmc4.. he has more personality and to be his own character and he is more likeable because people hated him so much back then and his gameplay is something else, Vergil finally makes his return and accept his human side and his brother and his son, they all have awesome weapons that you can make endless combos with it and ways to beat the bosses in the most stylish style possible , Dmc was never meant to be complicated and complex just awesome but the complexity is when you try to master every character gameplay and style
This is top 10 most dog sgit takes ever 💀
hay cosas que dijo el otro gringo que tiene razon, simplemente jugando otros juegos o consumiendo media puede uno darse cuenta
En realidad no hay "otro gringo" porque yo no soy gringo lol, aún así, ¿cosas como que? Exceptuando en las que le di razón por supuesto
im 99% sure that his video is a troll
Twin twin might have a kind of polarized opinion about this title in some things. I enjoyed this game, but I have to agree with him on the character's aspects. The main characters don't show growth. Dante looked more matured on DMC4: still funny, but smarter. The one in DMC 5 was a big step back. Lady's past personality is lost, and Trish is... there. Nero acts like a spoiled child, and Vergil is the most unmatured character. It's practically the same guy from DMC3, trying to achieve the same but at the same time, the developers want you to empathize with him. It's the worst character. They had to let him go and get a new villain. This was a good chance for Vergil to have a redemption arc. In conclusion: Great hack and slash, but weak story
If you look at things this superficially of course you will feel like that.
HABLAS ESPAÑOL? Qué emoción, yo también! Te gustan las siestas?
No, pero me gusta dormir. Aunque en realidad ingles no es mi idioma normal, simplemente hago los videos en ingles por que no me gusta mucho la comunidad de criticas y analisis hispanohablante (y para mejorar mi ingles)
Sos de Argentina no?
Se nota mucho? xd
14:22 wrong on all of them.
Its because the game was written in "frames", basically, like comics. Meaning the different people who make the cutscenes need to fill the gaps.
17:21 DMC and JoJo should be taken seriously, lol.
1-But what is your evidence for that?
2-Of course but you can't deny that a lot of the stuff that happens doesn't make any sense because it's not supposed to
@@notheresomewhereelse 1-standart videogame produciton stuff. This is how Dante is saying "get out of my way Nero" in the English dub.
2-No, most of the stuff makes sense, especially in JoJo, because its supposed too. When you have a mindset like that (yours), you begin to see the plotholes that are no there, because you failed to take the plot at face value and understand what it meant. At some point you become like the specimen you review.
@@AmelpsXett 1- But that line was a mistranslation, but I get what you're saying.
2- OK sorry but what the fuck, you don't even know what I'm referring to, and how do you know I think it's full of plot holes? I said many things don't make sense because they're supposed to make you laugh, be stylish or it's simply exaggerated, like when they talk for stupidly long periods of time in seconds or how Dio comes back, you're not supposed to take everything as serious, I also haven't watched jojo, I've just seen a few videos on it and honestly it seems really good, that's why I used it as a POSITIVE example alongside kill la kill and dmc. Also unrelated, the youtuber I watched didn't tried to figure out how Dio was alive in a coffin in part 3 but couldn't find anything, do you know how he did?
@@notheresomewhereelse 1 - I know that it's a mistranslation, and that's the point. Everything is done separately, like at any workplace.
2 - it was told that Dio got into coffin's secret compartment. Also in the anime it's mistakenly shown that the coffin has a lock outside, when it's supposed to have it only on inside.
I was referring to how people seem to not understand the themes and plot of jojo and other creations, and then ask stupid questions, invent plot holes and think that the plot is made in a flawed way, simply on a premise that they think the story isn't deep. DMC suffers from this too a bit, actually. People easily forget that some lines that go beyond logic for a thematic reason (like the one where Dante says that you can't beat a virtuous soul with just power in the fight against Abigail, pretty much implying that Abigail is stronger) are literal.
@@AmelpsXett oh ok thanks
I watched the full video, I've learned new things but, I disagree with one of your statements and then I will tell you about Twin Twin's video and other videos about Nero that you've showed. The first paragraph is fact and the rest are my opinions but take it like you will, time will tell eventually.
This topic is very conflicted in the fanbase, and it's DMC5 being the finale of the series or not, sadly most people don't bother researching and making sure if it's true and they act like they know everything because of one brief sentence. I know that you showed the summary from Capcom's USA website that it stated this game to be "latest chapter in the Sons of Sparda Saga" but it didn't give anyone a lot of detail, most articles that said that this game is the "final chapter in the Sons of Sparda Saga" and DMC5 was also meant to be Itsuno's final DMC game as he had moved on to other projects (he was going to move away from the series after making DMC3 and make Dragon's Dogma but one of the executive producers pressured him into making DMC4, hopefully with giving Capcom a wishlist, he'll make any game he likes) also, Twin Twin wasn't wrong about this game wrapping up the entire series even other CZcamsrs had said that 5 ended the series, I don't really care about what Reddit, Twitter or fanboys on the comment section say. You also brought up The4thSnake and even he said that "DMC5 makes a great sendoff to Dante and the series as a whole". It's totally fine to end a series on a high note rather than milking it to death, that's Itsuno's decision to end it and move on and I respect his choice. Besides, bringing in a new director depends on Capcom and how much they care about the IP - which I highly doubt that - It's not an opinion but a fact.
Now that that's out of the way, let's go over Twin Twin's video. It's just a rant and they wanted to point out the flaws because they felt like it. Nothing is wrong with having freedom of expression and freedom speech. They weren't happy with the game's shonen anime, comedic and teenage theme for a series that had started with gothic horror and deep emotions it's like comparing Thor with Thor: Love and Thunder, you get what I mean. It may not be well-received by people who believe in perfectionism but at least they shared their opinions about the game, just like how you shared your own opinion - but it doesn't matter how much better your opinion is because others had explained it better. Btw, if someone's title says "sucks", "garbage" or "terrible" even "godawful" doesn't mean they're starting a fight, again they're ranting, now fighting is for toxic fans who get offended by every big and small criticism and act like they're going to be the head of the company tomorrow but that's another story for another day.
I watched these positive videos about Nero and they only expressed how overwhelming it is for a young man to express his human side to stop his father and uncle from killing each other. Now, I'm a Dante fan but I really don't like Nero and judging from your video, you're one of those who like Nero and that's your personal taste but I bought this game because of Dante being playable in it, his arc wasn't done but 5 meant to close up his story and Vergil's too, Nero had a key role in the story and it was him ending his family feud. I see nothing special in Nero other than still acting like a hot-headed teenager obsessed with Dante's approval, while Dante was being overprotective of his nephew because he didn't want him to be depressed like the anime and 2, it would even ruin his relationship with Kyrie.
"also, Twin Twin wasn't wrong about this game wrapping up the entire series even other CZcamsrs had said that 5 ended the series, I don't really care about what Reddit, Twitter or fanboys on the comment section say. You also brought up The4thSnake and even he said that "DMC5 makes a great sendoff to Dante and the series as a whole". It's totally fine to end a series on a high note rather than milking it to death, that's Itsuno's decision to end it and move on and I respect his choice"
If dmc6 ends up happening, then ttrr is just as wrong as the rest of the youtubers, including the4thsnake, in the end the ending is just satisfying enough so the series can end well if they don't make more games but open enough in case they do.
"Now that that's out of the way, let's go over Twin Twin's video. It's just a rant and they wanted to point out the flaws because they felt like it. Nothing is wrong with having freedom of expression and freedom speech. They weren't happy with the game's shonen anime, comedic and teenage theme for a series that had started with gothic horror and deep emotions it's like comparing Thor with Thor: Love and Thunder, you get what I mean. It may not be well-received by people who believe in perfectionism but at least they shared their opinions about the game, just like how you shared your own opinion - but it doesn't matter how much better your opinion is because others had explained it better."
I'm sorry? He literally says in this video that people should realize dmc5 is bad (except the combat), he doesn't state anything as opinion until he pretends he does in the ending, he also seems to really like dmc3 which already had the same style as 5 so that doesn't make much sense, of course if he said "I simply don't like it for personal reasons" I would be perfectly ok but that's not what he says. Also please stop putting words in my mouth, I never said "my opinion is better that his", not everything is opinions, for example someone can say "I like the exploration in dmc5" and others can say "I don't like the exploration in dmc5", those are two opinions, but it's not the same as "I believe the exploration in dmc5 is well designed" or the opposite, those are perspectives which are trying to be objectively true, but they can be wrong.
"Btw, if someone's title says "sucks", "garbage" or "terrible" even "godawful" doesn't mean they're starting a fight, again they're ranting, now fighting is for toxic fans who get offended by every big and small criticism and act like they're going to be the head of the company tomorrow but that's another story for another day."
Those are statements, is like if I told you "that thing you like sucks", it's not the same as "I don't like that thing you like", see the difference?
About the last part: well if you find Nero uninteresting or boring, that's perfectly fine, I'm just trying to show the nuances his character has, and how ttrr is literally objectively wrong in saying his character is completely different in 5, because it's not
Not part of the argument myself but uh, only got two parts to reply to since if the series keeps going, it keeps going, the most I could honestly hope for would be for it to become less "World ending event" and more "Case by case", Personally love timeskips in games if they're done right, and it'd be pretty cool to get to see some of the more individualized events, anyways-
"Now that that's out of the way, let's go over Twin Twin's video. It's just a rant and they wanted to point out the flaws because they felt like it. Nothing is wrong with having freedom of expression and freedom speech. *They weren't happy with the game's shonen anime, comedic and teenage theme for a series that had started with gothic horror and deep emotions*"
I mean aside from 1 having its "Fatalities", 2 is the only one lacking the whole Shonen thing, the whole "Here's your Crown." line probably being the only intentional comedic highlight. Dante being willing to joke around and basically toy with his enemies in 1, along with being the first in the series being where the Comedic part comes in, but Dante getting a "Shonen Powerup" in the form of the Sparda and flying through the sky chasing down Mundus is definitely something I'd count if we're going by broad generalizations.
3 introduces the entire wacky-woohoo part that quickly dies off around the time the story is prepping to close up, Lady handing Dante the Kalina Ann was pretty much the last stop before stuff was routinely serious at all times, Dante and Vergil might've joked around about Arkham, but that's also just how they act normally.
4 starts off with the whole "shock" factor of Dante shooting the pope and then him and Nero spending a fight trying to one up eachother, but considering how undercooked the game ended up being it's a wonder they kept things tonally consistent, Credo's death pretty much got entirely glossed over.
And then 5 is simple enough- Vergil hiring Dante to take out Vergil, that old joke.
But even without it being strictly gothic horror, it's still maintaining Horror in the same sense that all of the events that happen, if you weren't the white haired protagonist or someone who could fight pretty closely to one, all the events of the games are straight up cracked, even though it's definitely not the lowest stakes game, DMC1 feels so low in comparative scale when it comes to the spooky stuff because Mallet Island is a "safe" environment for a horror game or spookily themed location.
Even though 2 is pretty much looked at as a joke, Demons being able to possess buildings, Helicopters and so on is scary as all hell if you were a normal person, even if the big guns got brought out, the hell do you do when they just get infested and a Demon wears a Tank or Prius like a skinsuit and starts running people down?
3 is an easy pick, even outside the Temen-Ni-Gru(?) an entire city basically got wiped out in possibly the timeframe Dante was in the shower, when you're in Leviathan you can see an entire school bus and more inside of it, and apparently that thing was just flying around outside.
4 is essentially finding out you were partially right about a religious community being full of nuts, and then discovering they were potentially the cause of every demon related incident before they go on to commit a killing spree using said demons to further fool people into believing that they're good when they get rid of the problem they started, If Dante hadn't been there, they would've actually gotten away with it too, giving about as bad as an ending as possible when the world has to deal with a religious zealot that has actual power.
And then 5 is a whole case of just looking at the remains of people in Redgrave, even though the Crewcut scene gets pushed off as a joke, it's still jarring seeing actual military grade weapons having very little effect against some of the most mook enemies in the game, and given how much time passes, odds are any other groups of soldiers trying to contain the incident within Redgrave along with the Qlipoth getting stronger and probably expanding its range is just everyone surrounding the city getting wiped out too.
"*It's like comparing Thor with Thor: Love and Thunder, you get what I mean.*"
I'd actually like some further elaboration on this, I get that the movies are focused on the same primary character and cover different subjects, but as far as all the DMC games go, they all cover the same thing; Demon Hunting with STYLISH ACTION or whatever. If you're saying it's been watered down- Yeah trying to keep things semi-fresh without crossing personal boundaries will do that, but outside of Dante making nearly everything a joke in 4 when he blesses the screen- Dude's just so far out of everyone elses league in the game, and he already jokes around with people actually in his league- If it wasn't for Gameplay and Story Segregation, outside of the Savior fight, Dante would basically be unkillable.
"*It may not be well-received by people who believe in perfectionism but at least they shared their opinions about the game, just like how you shared your own opinion - but it doesn't matter how much better your opinion is because others had explained it better.*"
Nitpicky at this point, but isn't that the thing about opinions? Even though some fall into the same category, people might agree with the same thing for different reasons, same for disagreeing? I can understand if you're regurgitating what someone else said and leaving out the actual argument and important bits- then it starts falling into the whole trap of being right for the wrong reasons.
"*Btw, if someone's title says "sucks", "garbage" or "terrible" even "godawful" doesn't mean they're starting a fight, again they're ranting, now fighting is for toxic fans who get offended by every big and small criticism and act like they're going to be the head of the company tomorrow but that's another story for another day.*"
If it's with the intention of being controversial for the hell of it, drawing in views through use of clickbait, I'd say otherwise.
You're drawing off the fact that your statement will attract people of likeminded views, in addition to those who are coming in to comment just to tell you you're stupid- It's like a magical "Potion of Incite Violence", It's entirely possible to state you dislike something without using those words, because more often than not those "strong words" are going to get a "strong reaction"
If someone says they don't like a commonly enjoyed food, people are going to probably be surprised, confused, and often slightly upset- If someone says that said commonly enjoyed food "Sucks", is "Garbage" or so on, it's going to get a stronger response, it's entirely possible to rant without using words that are obviously going to spark up some kind of discourse. Fighting is bound to happen because you're drawing in two opposing sides using said strong words and immediately setting a mood for the interactions. If you say you don't really enjoy Dante's character in 4 because he's not really reasonably pushed by anything, that's going to get a different response than if you say "Dante is a garbage character, he doesn't fit any scene he's in and ruins the tone of the game"- Both things are voicing dislike with the character, but both of them will obviously get different responses, right?
"I see nothing special in Nero other than still acting like a hot-headed teenager obsessed with Dante's approval, while Dante was being overprotective of his nephew because he didn't want him to be depressed like the anime and 2, it would even ruin his relationship with Kyrie."
I'm curious about this part, mainly because I'm not sure when besides 4 maybe Nero was worried about stacking up to Dante-
Homeboy got his arm (And the Yamato) ripped off of him, which if Vergil was actually homicidal would've resulted in Kyrie, Nico, and Nero himself ending up on a memorial T-Shirt. He later finds out that the big ol' Demon thing in Redgrave is happening because of his inability to react quickly enough to not have both his arm and the Yamato stolen, and then to top it off the Dante, the guy who basically functioned as a sort of Mentor to him and trusted him with the Yamato, calls him Deadweight after he shows up and can't put up nearly as good of a fight with a missing arm- Course that's gonna sting, as far as he knows the entire thing is his fault.
The timeskip happens, Nero knows as well as anyone else how cuh-rayzee Dante is, so it's within reason that he doesn't believe Dante is actually dead, and when Dante shows back up in SDT, he's still popping jokes- Ain't until Dante basically tells him to buzz off, being upset about it seems pretty fair considering he managed to make Urizen get off his throne and actually slap him, it's basically like being told you don't know what you're doing or talking about after demonstrating otherwise.
Next time the whole deadweight/having something to prove adjacent thing happens is when he backhands Dante- Genuinely interesting in picking your brain on this stuff considering I'm bored out of my mind, so sorry for the TL;DR nonsense.
4:40 alright I’m just gonna keep it clear with y’all. from the start of mission 5, I really found Griffin to be very annoying a-lot of the times. i’m not joking he really gets on my nerves
Making me not want to play V anymore.
That’s fair,
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Lmao people not getting this video is sarcasm
He made 3 videos and a reddit post (as far as i'm aware) as much as I would like that to be the case, I doubt it
You coping so hard sir, Devil may cry 5 is so mess
Devil may cry 5 is "a" mess
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It's not, but go off with your false take