How-to Level Orange Peel On A Black Car Without Sanding
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- In this video, I’ll be showing how I level orange peel without sanding, remove swirl marks and holograms on a black colored car. I’ll be showing each process and the product combination as well as some techniques I personally used. Hope you enjoy and thanks for watching!
For detailed information on leveling orange peel without sanding please check out my earlier video in this link:
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Just painted my car for the first time. It's reassuring to see a similar amount of orange peel on a professional spray job. I will for sure try these tips out
Hey WASD! 🤣 the definition of a professional is doing something in return for money. Professional does not mean good or bad. I believe people like you who puts heart into works, will produce the best results! Happy leveling friend 👍🏻
Hi Henry,love all your videos.
Question is I de-orange peeled my van last year with denim pads after watching your vids,great results but I never dared go right to the edge of panels for fear of burning thru.
Or like in this vid where you stopped about 1/2 inch short of the door handle scoop raised edge,have you got any tips on how to get right to the edges,raised edges etc ??
would you use the tilt the rotary technique,or tape the edges to within a couple millimetres ??
would love to be able to get rid of 100 percent of the orange peel.....
thanks,keep up the great work and more vids please !!
I probably watch more detailing vids than is healthy but gotta say I love your no nonsense,to the point explanations and for someone with such obvious skills you seem a really humble guy,keep up the great work !!
I was going to ask the same question! 👍
This guy really know what he is doing 👍🇨🇵
I always enjoy all of your videos! This was another great one buddy thank you. -Paul
Thanks for watching and following our channel!
Who painted that car hi done a bad job. And you saved well done great i wil try this product 😊 all the best
Where buy your product?
Very good without sanding
Hey, you may refer to any of our distributors here : www.osren.com/distributors
This guy is good!!!!
I was watching you getting the orange peel off a black car what kind of spray did you put after you finish buffing
Hi Dean Martin! I didn’t put any after buffing. But you could put a layer of wax, sealant or coating after 👌🏻
Wouldn't it be quicker to knock the peaks down first with 1500 and then 2500, then use the polish? Isn't that the desired end results to flatten orange peel no matter which method u use?
Hi Wino Kitty! There’s a lot pros and cons to levelling OP via sanding as well as via the rotary denim pad.
it’s true that ultimately what matters is flatness, so user habits are to each their own.
Maybe you can give the denim pad and our compound a go and see if you like it? :)
Well done and great result. Not much info online about the denim/jean pads
Hi Amien FND! Thank you for watching our video. Should you have product inquiry, feel free to email us, support@osren.com :)
Really good videos ! Top man!
Good job but I think it's faster to wet sand first then buffing takes less time.
Thanks for sharing lazarus. The idea of this video is to showcase an alternative to wet sanding. This method isn't meant to replace wet sanding and it shouldn't, but a guidance for those who wish to level with a machine.
Je fais beaucoup mieux, en sablant avec papier 1500 et 2000. Ensuite, je passe le compound. ça prend beaucoup de temps et de patience mais, c'est le résultât qui compte.
Can you do a video on how to polish or fix chrome car grill ,trim or chrome door handles. Thank you osren
We actually filmed it and it's currently under post-production. Don't forget to subscribe to our channel so you get notified when it comes out!
@@OSRENOfficial thanks Already subscribed to you guys. Keep on the good work💪🏻
Hi I really enjoy your video's I was wondering can the same results be achieved with a dual action polisher instead of the rotary ?
Hi Don, thank you for watching our videos! Glad you liked it :)
If the paint type is soft, it is possible to level orange peel without sanding via a Dual Action Polisher. There's leveling pads for DA and the same compound is used. However we don't have data on paint types out of Malaysia, but generally if it's sticky soft paint, it's soft and easy to level with the DA
Great video thanks
Awesome. Thank you. Will it work using Maguire or 3m product instead?
Best on you tube!
Anyone doing this... allow some time for area to COOL OFF .. i would have someone with a lazer temp keeping track of the surface temp..
Hi very insightful video...how do deal with curved surfaces e.g. front and rear guards on an old car..they seam to tricky when you get closer to the body-guard interface..kind regards
Thanks for watching! For polishing tips on curved areas, I have just the right video for you. Feel free to check out this link :)
czcams.com/video/FToruFPT0AA/video.html
Ok..this is cool and all that!,but I don't see how this is a time saver!?...also do you think the panel is getting as flat as traditional wet sanding with a block?
Nice video, I love you the information you provide. What Polish was it you used?
HI AntManUK, thanks for watching our videos! The polish and compounds used were:
1. www.osren.com/product/professional-series/surface-preparation/perfect-fifty-50 (For orange peel)
2. www.osren.com/product/professional-series/surface-preparation/nao-compound-46 (For swirls and holograms)
Excellent content. Great product, even better customer service. Thanks for all you do
Great job! 🤙🏻
How much clear coat are you removing (aprox) with this process? Is there a tangible risk of going through the clear coat flattening it to that level?
Hey Jose, to be honest, the number (micron) is negligible, as any micron
I love your videos. I'm following you just to learn how to do this stuff for just my own car. It's been a while since I've looked but I don't remember you talking about applying wax at all. Is that just not needed with the product you're using? Which, btw, I suspect I can't get here in the US. Thanks.
Hi David Behr, thank you for watching our videos! Polsihing and Waxing are two different category, both equally important but polishing is way more technical and waxing is pretty straight forward (not so much on technique but more on the product itself). But yea, maybe I should do a video on waxing. Hehe
The products i feature in this video does not contain wax or silicones. So ideally better to top up a wax/sealant/coating after. Our products are not available in the US at the moment but we can ship internationally. Feel free to send us a product inquiry through our web. www,osren.com
Thanks. Just wanted to clarify that I'd still need to wax the car. As far as wax goes I'm a big fan of a brand of products by Zaino. Keep it up, I love not only the technical content of your videos but your style too. :-)
That’s amazing.
good formative show. I do have a question though. other than using DA polisher what kind of technique you utilize? Or is DA itself a secret problem solving machine? If the DA was secret a wapon, why is that?
Hi Jongkeun Lee, other than the DA, for this paintwork, it's also possible to finish with the rotary polisher but easier with the DA. To put it simply, the DA polishes the surface with less heat. Unlike the rotary polisher that rotates in a single axis, the DA works in a orbital movement hence less heat build up on a single spot. Heat is required if you want cutting. But for finishing, sometimes you want less heat and so the DA does the job.
Hi, great video. Is that a special light or just a standard torch?
Only one way to find out! Haha. Anyway, standard or not, you’ll nee a minimum of 2000 lumen output to detect fine swirls and hazing. 3000 lumens with a warm colour is most ideal to work if you ask me 😁
Tht was good mate..cheers 🤗🎅😎🚘🚘🚘.Bless ya.
Can you remove orange peel using g3 compound and the wool pad...just asking...im new to this...thanks
Hey Anextday, comparing wool and denim pad, the denim renders more uniform cut to the paint. Wool is apt in removing swirls but somewhat lacks in levelling the paint. Hope this helps
Great job. In my country there is not to buy jeans spogne.
Hi Aleksandar, thanks! Where are you from?
@@OSRENOfficial BYE. I am from Serbia and we have a great selection of materials coming from 3M and Farecla, but I did not find that sponge that has jeans. Often I have colored anomalies and I use the usual method of grinding with granulation of 2000 and more, but this is interesting because it removes the layer without pre-cleaning.
Ah!! I guess every country has their own style of polishing. Maybe because painters in Malaysia are so bad that we thought of using the jeans sponge to reduce polishing time hahaha
Would this work for taking out white dots in clear coat ?
Hey John, yes, this would actually help with levelling the craters (or fish eye) if it's not too deep and/or If it is not too bad of a paint job.
In your spray is an ipa? Thank you
Hi there, it's an IPA mixed (50/50) to remove polishing oils to reveal it's true finish
@@OSRENOfficial thanks 👍
Great job...
And tips or tricks for a beginner
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Instead of sanding it, can I re-paint with spray max 2k again to cover up the orange peel? would extra thicker clear coat covers up the rough/imperfection? Thanks in advance.
Hi Spock! If orange peel is an issue and you would like to rectify by spraying another layer of clear, you would still need to sand the current layer to even it, and create “groves” for the fresh clear to sit on. However with a wrong spraying technique, you’ll potentially get more orange peel. 😬
@@OSRENOfficial You are right on. My first coat of spray max 2k seems to be better compare to second coat/attempt. I am so upset that the 2nd one worst than the first. (I should wait for your reply). After the first coat with some orange peel, I decided to sand it all off and re-do again with another coat of spray max 2k. Since I have to go through 2nd time, I decided to use some base coat (silver metallic) on the roof top peel area but the result is now I have tiger strip plus slightly orange peel. After reviewed the result, I should not touch it the second time. I think tiger strip is worst than orange peel.
Anyway, thanks so much for your input and information. Not going to try 3rd time. In California, we have a drought; therefore, no car wash and I will use the dirt to cover the roof imperfection. LOL
Thanks again for your advises. 👍
hey osren whats the speed what you using for the rotory polisher and the DA thanks!!
Hi Leroy, I was using speed 1,400 - 1,800rpm for the rotary and speed setting 4 on the DA.
thanks for the info!!
Sanding much faster
osome mate !!!
Hey man I love your videos but foremost your detailed explanations. Something that comes to my mind, in my country I can't find those jeans pads or denim pads (I'm from Chile). You have any idea of any replacing pad I could use to remove orange peel instead of the denim? Thanks once again.
Hi Sergio Barraza,, thank you for watching our videos! Other than Jeans/Denim and Velvet/Corduroy Pads, there really isn't any other option to level orange peel without sanding. :(
Have you tried level any new black bmw with jeanspad? I have a sapphire black bmw that is rock hard and have tried carpro denim with my flex 3401 forced drive da without any leveling. The only way is rotary right?
Great video!
We have tried with dual action polisher with a specific denim pad (not shown in any of our videos) on a bmw 5 series, with perfect 50, works like magic. However, rotary does it faster and better!
This is a very confusing topic. So many experienced technicians have differing opinions. I think most say do NOT sand or polish the base coat. Just apply clear coat on top and polish the clear coat. But, if the orange peel is in the base coat then how does polishing/sanding the clear coat diminish the orange peel? Do they mean that if you have orange peel in the base coat that you should just apply one more base coat over the top of the orange peel and hope it comes out level and then clear coat it? Then there are other techs who say that you CAN level out the orange peel in the base coat before applying the clear coat. What did you do in this video? Did the paint job have a clear coat or were you polishing the base coat?
Hey, yes the car Henry levelled is with clear coat.
levelling the color coat before applying clear coat will help improve with a better angle of reflection as reflection happens when light bounces off on the color coat. If you do have the equipments to paint and have the time, by all means, go ahead. (It's similar to preparing a levelled surface by sanding and even out putty on bare metal before painting anything)
However, if the car is painted beforehand and delivered to us, and that one does not have any resources to perform painting, then levelling the clear coat is the best one could go for.
it's all about producing the best result given the resources at hand.
My question is if with this method we remove less clear coat than with wet sanding?
Good question Nikos. Based on one of the detailer's finding, difference is negligible on hard paint You may read it here : www.google.com/amp/s/wetshine.net/2012/08/22/analysis-sanding-vs-velvet-pad-compounding-to-reduce-orange-peel-which-removes-more-paint/amp/
Do note that he tried out perfect 40 which is the former formulation. Perfect 50 is the improved version with longer working time.
You will remove more clear coat by polishing. I worked for the specialist part of a prestige brand and when we offered flattened paint it was always sanded and then polished. To remove orange peel you only need to remove the high points and this can only be done with sanding with no foam layer (i.e. by hand or by machine with no foam layer). With polishing you are removing the peaks and also getting into the valleys. I wet-sanded my L200 by hand and removed about 1 micron of clear coat according to my paint meter. It then removed more to clear out the scratches and I think it was about 4 microns total. I did a small area on my wife’s car by only using compound and hard pads then refining and in total removed about 15 microns!
Can you use this pad on metallic paint job after painting it in the first 24 hours.
Hi Zanaga1, yes you may use this combo after the first 24 hours. However like all paints, full cure is 30 days. So after 30 days, the paint will shrink a little bit and a somewhat OP like texture will resurface. Of course it won’t be as (assuming you have bad OP after painting) bad after levelling after the 24 hours. After 30 days, you may need buff again. Also do check with the paint supplier on the specifications of the paint you use. They could give you more insights
@@OSRENOfficial I messaged the Paint for Cars about if I could use a denim pad now since it been more than 24 hours and told them what pad I would use to get rid of the orange peel 2,000 grit denim pad it is a Car Pro one didn't tell them the brand name but hope they get back to me soon. I don't have as much orange peel as when painted my truck last time but added a sealer this time but am buying a turbine sprayer in future because I use a small air compressor right now. Gonna get the Fuji Q5 platinum online for under 100 on this foreign site it starts with a X but then won't have to buy a 60 or 80 gallon air compressor.
Great work Henry. Question, do you have 6" jeans pad for DA?
Hi Radhwan, thanks for watching! We have a 5.5" flat jeans pad for DA. However the design is for DA, but leveling orange peel with a DA is only limited to softer/stiicky paintwork. For most repainted or harder paintworks, the DA is not powerful enough to level without sanding.
www.osren.com/product/other-pads--backing-plates/all/140mm-foam-disc-2000
Link to the product I just mentioned ^
I feel like I could have wet sanded that area, with equal or greater results, in the time it took me to watch this video. Let alone, the time it took you to do it. Looks good though.
Would the jeans pad be safe to use with a da? My only machine at this time is the PC7424xp. Have a newer '17 A5 with slight orange peel (30-40%) of what this panel had... thanks
On "softer" paint, it's possible to level with a DA. But on "harder" paints, it's near impossible as the DA tool itself doesn't generate enough heat on a particular spot to work in the compounds to level the paint.
("soft" and "hard" paint are categorized based on the ease of correction, you can also say soft is brittle vs hard is elastic)
what's ipa? the thing u r spraying after polishing . can I use water?
also how much pressure to put.
Hi Imran Omar, IPA is short for Isopropyl Alcohol. Basically I used that to clear up any polishing oils on the surface to check and see if the defects I'm trying to remove is removed and not just covered up. Water may not be strong enough to clean.
As for pressure on polishing/compounding it's really hard to explain by words and scientific figures. For this you really gotta try different amount of pressure to see what works for you
OSREN (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD can u give me your email or whatsapp no. I want to ask some prices of products and some more information. I think u said on another post u post internationally yeah. I need in UK.
Yea, we can post internationally! Kindly send in your inquiries to us via the contact form and our guys will assist you from there.
www.osren.com/contacts
Thanks!
Thanks ill pop u a message soon
What dilution ratio do you use of Alcohol to Water?
Great video, become your subscriber, when u use IPA, what % of water is added .. also ordered ur product in amazon today (denim pad)
Hey Sivaraj! Thank you for subscribing and ordering from our store 🙏🏻. We generally advise to use IPA 99.X % dilute with water 1:1. If too strong of a IPA mix, it may cause some minor etchings on the clear coat (subject to paint type also). 1:1 is generally safe and effective to check if we did a good job or not 😁
excellent video mate just what i needed to know going into detail my black ford territory cheers
please show the compound up close and the name of it.
Hi Souldear Ondehgo! Thank you for watching our videos. The compound used was Perfect 50, and NAO 46. Links to the products are as follows
osren.com/product/professional-series/all/perfect-fifty
osren.com/product/professional-series/surface-preparation/nao-compound-46
Can you use a dual action instead of rotary?
Hi Hai Tran,
For orange peel removal with our products, we recommend the rotary polisher.
Thereafter you may opt for the dual action polisher to remove the swirls left by the orange peel step.
Question I painted a red car single stage polyurethane and it has a bit of orange peel. Can I use a denim pad so I dont have to wet sand it or what options do I have?? Thank you
Hey Alex Santana! Yea, this method works on single stage paint as well. You’ll get the pad red of course but that’s part of the process and you’d want to make sure the paint is really cured.
@@OSRENOfficial ok thank you so much!!
can I do this to a single stage black paint ?
HI Joliva 123, Yes, you can do this on any gloss painted surface. Just that, for single stage paint, be prepared to have its paint being transferred to your pad haha
Hi, great videos! Are Jean pads the same as denim pads? Thanks
Hi Alan, yes there are the same. Denim refers to the material to make jeans. However, different manufacturer have different "hardness" and quality on denim pads (finished products) too.
@@OSRENOfficial thanks for the reply. Can I use the demin pad with an aggressive compound with a da polished instead of a rotory? Would I get the same results.
I'm a bit of a novice and scared I might burn through my paint...Haha
You advice is greatly appreciated.
@@wellingbadboy yes, however different pads are often designed for different machines. I wouldn't recommend pairing a rotary pad on a dual action as it will upset the balance of it. We do have denim designed for dual action polisher as well.
Respects
Great video👌
What mixture IPA do you usem
Hey John! I used IPA99.7%, 50 and water 50. Dilution 1:1 😁
@@OSRENOfficial thanks I'm totally new to the world of paint correction. Currently have tried Griot's compound and pads.
Really safe a great results with them but I want to go deeper!
Hey John! If you wanna get the razor sharp mirror like reflections, what we call True Gloss...... we definitely got the perfect solution for you! I saw your email come through, did my office reply you?
@@OSRENOfficial checking emails now
All I have is a DA can it still be done?
Hey Chris, yes. In fact we launched a few newer products for dual action levelling.
video link here: czcams.com/video/0ZMGqMqr1XM/video.html
Good video i would of wet sanded, would be a lot quicker.
Your thoughts on using 1200 to 1500 grit double action machine sand paper. Then compound/polish?
Hi there, you can actually level down with dual action polisher with our denim/velvet pad designed for dual action polisher as well.
For 1200 to 1500 grit, even on hard paints, it might still leave some sanding lines if we were to inspect closely with floodlights at certain angles. I recommend refining it to 2000 and if possible, 3000 before hitting it with a dual action polisher for best of results. Usually, 2000 would be good enough if you use a sanding block.
Great stuff, but it seems like a lot of buffer work.
Hey, yes, indeed. All good things come to those who wait.
This was many years ago and now with the new formulation of Nao leveler 56, most medium to hard paint can be done in 2 steps. Paint leveling followed by paint correction.
czcams.com/video/rnN8o8ibI0g/video.html
Do check it out when you have the time
I'm surprized he didn't pick up glue residue from the tape.
What do you do when the denim pad is caked with compound? Do you just leave it there?
Hey John, Denim and velvet pads are not absorbent like other regular pads. The dried polish and residues would actually accumulate and cake on the surface of the pad, you may just scrape it off with a brush. (similar to how we use a duospur on wool pad)
The residues and dried polish would also be flung out during the polishing process, so do expect it to be a little messier than usual.
I woulda been done quick 2000 by hand then 3 and 5 wet d a...then buff with 3m perfect for black with black foam pad...woulda beat that time
selapas proses polisher step 1 and 2.calar2 halus tak keluar balik ke??bila da cuci n jemur 3 4 hari??
Biasa kalau begitu, makanya tidal polish betul. Sebab masih Ada calar lagi selepas cuci. Biasa lepas polish, kami akan semak dengan IPA. Untuk lap minyak polish yang boleh tutup calar halus tu.
Kemungkinan kedua tu, cara cuci kereta Salah. 80% calar datang dari cara cuci yang salah
@@OSRENOfficial IPA ni apa bos??product osren ka?d mana sy boleh dapatkan product osren seperti perfect cut 50 dan nao compound 46??
@@fadleyjave5253 IPA = isopropyl alcohol.
Untuk pembrlian and pertanyaan produk, boleh hubungi dealer terdekat anda
www.osren.com/distributors
everything Nao is out of stock??? WHy?
Hey, did you checked our e-store.osren.com?
@@OSRENOfficial Yes, but the US store is out of stock on the leveler and denium pads??? Where can i buy?
Careful with this method as it may generate a lot of unnecessary heat that could be avoided with sanding. Uneven temp on painted surfaces could cause failure of one of the paint stages. If your compound isn't strong enough to level paint in a few passes, ditch it for wet sanding. What's with the arm swinging lmao that's why the results are so uneven
Doing the whole car would be A bit$!😳
süper
Still not satisfied the result bro
Practice makes perfect! Ideally you want to have the clear coat flatten before starting the paint correction process. Once it's levelled to your liking, start correcting.
We use straight lightings as visual guideline, it helps.
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i'm sorry bro, but i have to tell you that paint is such a bad painting result! Very cheap paint job..
Hi Henry,love all your videos.
Question is I de-orange peeled my van last year with denim pads after watching your vids,great results but I never dared go right to the edge of panels for fear of burning thru.
Or like in this vid where you stopped about 1/2 inch short of the door handle scoop raised edge,have you got any tips on how to get right to the edges,raised edges etc ??
would you use the tilt the rotary technique,or tape the edges to within a couple millimetres ??
would love to be able to get rid of 100 percent of the orange peel.....
thanks,keep up the great work and more vids please !!
I probably watch more detailing vids than is healthy but gotta say I love your no nonsense,to the point explanations and for someone with such obvious skills you seem a really humble guy,keep up the great work !!
Hi Steve Morley,
Thank you for watching our videos and for your kind words! It encourages us to make more videos :)
As for your question, I would use the "tilt the rotary" technique but at a lower rev, say 800 - 1000rpm max. I would also apply the compound manually on the edge on where I want to hit. But you still have to be careful as not to over tilt the machine. Taping would be safe but it would also mean you'll never gonna get the extra millimeter. Hahaha.
There is another pad which you can consider to hit the edge. It's a 83mm flat denim (not beveled ). More info on the link below
www.osren.com/product/other-pads--backing-plates/all/83mm-foam-disc-2000
OSREN (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD thank you !!