McLaren 765LT - can it beat the Ferrari 488 Pista's time? | evo Leaderboard
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2022
- McLaren's 765LT takes the already monstrously fast 720S and turns the wick up even further. On sticky Pirelli Trofeo R rubber, will it beat the P1 to become the fastest McLaren we've ever lapped around the stunning Anglesey circuit? We called in Steve Sutcliffe to find out...
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It was struggling for traction whole lap, needs a better condition and sticker tyres, Cup 2R alot faster than Tropheos
Exactly. put this on cup2 and put the sf90 on these and the times would be flipped. without the same tires its really more of a tire comparison than a car comparison.
McLaren are adamant about making their cars suitable for anyone to drive. By using less wide of tires, it ironically makes the car safer because it lowers the threshold of grip and therefore makes the performance more predictable. Other companies like Corvette and Porsche rely on wide tires because they are heavily marketed by their laptimes. Ferrari and McLaren are more artistic with their approach and focus on building "drivers cars" as opposed to track machines, although they just so happen to produce very impressive laptimes.
@@Jay-tc9on the Trofeo-R are faster than the cup 2. But I assume you mean the Cup2R
Lame excuses.
These excuses are so funny, does any of you remember that the pista did it’s lap on a partially wet track? The track itself isn’t the problem either, the 765lt got beaten in Hockenheim with its massive streight by not only the pista but also the gt3😂😂
Love the camera angle for the hot lap. Gives so much information on how the car drives and responds!
Evo + Steve = epic ! hope see videos like that more often . i am a fan of Evo since 2010 and i am very please too see you go in the same high level as always !
Unsettling the car riding up on the curbs over and over.... love to see same day testing of this and sf90 on same tires...
Do it up Brooks
Sometimes I wish you were "TrackTimes" or had another channel under that name :))
I’ve never understood why using the curbing at all is ok? It’s like if you’re going to cut the track by not staying on the pavement then why not just use the grass too. Some more softly sprung cars have an advantage too as the are less affected by riding the curbs than the more track focused cars are, not to mention it’s annoying hearing it vibrate the camera gear every single time it runs over the ribbing 🤦🏻♂️
Using the curbs is faster
@@Shadowboost Not necessarily. If it's unsettling the car enough, then you may be losing time not gaining it.
Clearly a matter of confidence, doesn't look as hooked up or like it's as comfortable to push to the limits like the Ferrari's.
That’s seems to be the problem for a lot of people. Even chris harris thought it was a bit too much in terms of power. 720s still has a lot of power but seems more balanced and confidence inspiring to drivers
Also seems like they are in the highest gear all the time and getting a lot of turbo lag.
That is what a Ferrari makes so special. They are always perfectly balanced on the limit. An they give every driver so much confidence🐎
Unless it's a "qualify session" style time attack, 0.3 sec difference means nothing.
These comments acting like Ferrari is better than Mclaren are hilarious. The 765LT is so much better than a 488 Pista it’s literally in another league
Not the ideal track for the 765 and it’s one where tyre grip is going to make a big difference on these slow speed bends!
Cup2R’s are in a league of their own right now and offer ridiculous mechanical grip, Mac need to jump brands!
Also to McLarens credit they do under tyre cars to enhance its drivability but for track specials they should up their sizes. A GT3 RS with half the torque has bigger rears lol
Great comment, I agree completely. Putting hugely-wide cup2Rs would surely drop lap times a fair bit but this isn’t a race car and pure lap times are not the only attribute of a car to optimize.
Not that Lamborghini is far behind in making the incorrect tire choices. Only reason the STO is at the bottom of the chart are lacklustre Bridgestones
No ideal track ? If we follow your reasoning, there should be one track per car... I don't think it's an ideal track for a P1 which would also be more comfortable on faster curves. The facts are there, the 765LT is a monster, it doesn't need to show more to make it understood. But it just so happens that it's not the fastest road-legal car in the world, that's all.
pista & 765LT have the same tyre sizes, not really an excuse. At the end of the pista lap, Steve mentions it likely could be even quicker (he says half a second) in bone dry, warm conditions. The difference between the trefeo R and cup2R are not as much as the gap in laptime. Its simply just not faster here, both cars would prefer a more power track.
Probably more logical to argue the open diff in the mclaren vs the LSD in the ferrari is a bigger factor. Although the mclaren did launch 2 years after the pista which says alot..
@@mattgallagher4232 tire size is only one part of that story, the compound of said tire can make all the difference.
What a beautifully made video in all acpects! Superb job
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Didn’t quite believe that was Sutcliffe’s voice during the intro. Was thrilled to read the confirmation! More of him on evo!!!
As soon as I heard Steves voice, I thought yes this is going to be a great video 👍🏻😊
Woww what a production! Congrats Evo!
This is proper testing, cheers lads.
I've been expecting this video for so much time.
U should have made lap comparisons with different traction control levels ! Tks steve one of the few journalists who can drive…..
brilliantly delivered by s.sutcliffe
I was beginning to get withdrawal symptoms, as I have seen a Steve video for several weeks. I feel better now 😊 I wonder how fast the 765 could have gone on the right day with the track performing better. Great video as always Mr Sutcliffe 🤗
What a Monster!... Please can we have a fair comparison with both cars on the same tyre...... Cup 2R.
Still gonna get beaten.
@@gcscr Dunno, McLaren don't have as wide tires nor are the ones they're using currently as good as the Horse's tires.
Amazing video and aesthetic.
Respectable lap time relative to the Pista given the superior dry handling of Cup 2 Rs vs Trofeo Rs, though I'm surprised it's only 4/10 quicker than a 720s. Maybe the 765 LT is approaching the limit of what's possible with an open diff on a road car.
Most likely reaching the limit of the open diff and it's undertired for its power. A GT3RS has bigger and stickier tires.
Going by some dyno tests I've seen online, the 765LT is around 850hp at the crank, which makes it quite a bit more powerful than the 488 Pista. So I would've expected it to pull ahead of the Pista, even allowing for different tyres.
I reckon the Pista is a much better track car than 765LT even though it’s short on power to the LT
Not on a damp short track..
@@MRJAYDANGEROUS 5:46 it's CLEARLY DRY AND RUBBERED...Try again
@@Ale55andr082 Sutcliffe even noted how greasy it was.
Sometimes the problem is the driver not the car
More Steve, please!
Great video, but did I detect quite a few sub-optimal gearshifts (one big short-shift around the 23 second mark of the hot-lap..)
I mean the stock tires are pretty trash compared to cup 2 r's that the sf 90 was on. Mclarens never usually have the best lap times because they come on Pirellis and not cup 2 r's. I think with better tires this is easily a full second faster.
Gee have you notified them I'm sure they never knew that
@Jay Why do you start your first sentence with 'I mean'? What's wrong with 'The' to begin the sentence?
@@spaniardsrmoors6817nah but it’s low key true McLaren undersizes their tyre quite a bit to get better road drivability
I think the new 296GTB will be very fast on this small track..
Finally a video that makes me happy I bought this 34" ultrawide.
I have the feeling that the cup2r is simply the better tyre compared to the trofeo r
Agreed
Michelin > Pirelli, always.
How many sets of tires get used making these vids?
Love the slides and the fast laps!
Engine sounds strong throughout.
I’ve done one track day with my Veloster N on the stock Pzeros. I wish it came with PS4S.
“This much energy under your right foot” classic sutcliffe 😂
Perplexing to see the GT3 rs with the cup 2Rs being almost a second faster than the GT2 rs with cup 2s. Wonder what the Gt2 rs MR with the cup 2Rs could do around here. Please make it happen EVO...!!!!
Only point of criticism for the 765LT (all new McLaren really) is the sound. If they had someone like Yamaha tune the sound of this engine it would be perfection. It doesn't sound bad by any means, but could be better from all the ones I've heard in person
Have to agree with this. Every single time I heard a McLaren not seeing what it was at first I thought someone is pushing his Golf GTI with crappy exhaust. Sounds really bad in person.
Struggling for traction, sounded like he couldn't get the pedal to the floor for more than a couple of seconds between corners. Would like to see the throttle trace, I'm guessing only 5% of the lap was full throttle.
awesome machine..
I feel like the wrong gear was selected for most of the corner exits, more manageable with the higher gear but also much more sluggish to build the speed. It's easy to get the power down when you're not in the driver's seat though
Love the 765lt, but it's to much power for those tires it slides a lot and it's problems when you're trying to set good time!!
Holy cow!
What a wonderful car
Not the right track for a supercar tbh. Not big enough to let the cars exploit their power.
P1 showed us Mclaren's modern potential with similar howling. I'm sure it will be raised again soon
That looks like the most fun to drive production car I've seen in a long time.
GT3?
Aren't Cup 2 R (worn by the Ferraris) another level of stickiness above the Trofeo R?
Porsche have them aswell
did you do the timed lap before or after the initial shots of going sideways everywhere? the track was dirty as hell (5:46), not the best conditions for a flying lap.
Amazing these cars are legal on the road , 765 lt had way more power than grip , what fun !
I barely watch car reviews these days but when Steve Sutcliffe or Chris Harris make a review, I watch. I really appreciate this dude and his reviewing and driving style.
Those track conditions were appalling. Look at that dirt on the track.
When you testing the Radical new version???? Been yrs
600LT Spider for me, everytime, most fun Mclaren to date!
I sell them and I agree with you. The 600LT is my fave too
I initially read it as "Pasta's time".
decent push
Rerun on the Cup2R
pista ❤
The 488 pista Is an Absolute Beast aroud here. Half a second faster than a track focused McLaren with 50 more hp. Half a second faster than a P1 wich was using semi-slick . 2 second faster than a P1 on standard tyre, 2 second faster than a 918
Yes, and don't forget that the Pista was developed with the 2009 458 chasis. And it's heavier. The Pista is a real track focused car. The 765 was developed just to rip off McLarens fans.
You said P1 "was using semislick" but Pista was on even better tyres than both McLaren's,Porsche was on just regular Cup2
Pista is a great track-car,but on same tyres it would be closer
Need a GT2RS time on that board !
There was
But definitely not tested right…. The leaderboard is confusing
Right ? They need to test it ! Had to be faster than the 991.2 gt3rs !
@@USSKelvin exactly also 488 pista is fast but not faster than a gt2rs or a 765lt or list confusing
@@sameerjg What makes you think the Pista isn't faster than the GT2RS?
Let's get all the key contenders on the track togetther with the same tires...
Make it happen Steve!!!!
Great video!!!
Y the opposite paddle move whiles changing gears?
This fast shitbox rattles more than my '03 s40 Volvo!! You cant live with it... But MAN, nothing else on this PLANET can give you a spine shiver like this MONSTER!!!
I can tell that that car handles extremely well just by watching it.
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Hi, the 675lt track time is no longer on the hotlap list. A particular reason?
Still the best, Steve. So glad you're still out there testing.
Isn’t accelerating over, and going over those rumble strips having a negative impact on those times ?.
Why the P1 doesn't have holes
in the brake disc..?
if it's just lap times we're looking to improve maccas simply need wider tyres, front ones especially. All of them - even the Senna for heaven's sake - have absurdly narrow tyres for a true track focused setup. However I don't believe it's a mistake as such rather than a knowing trade off given McLaren appear to want their cars to communicate alot to the driver, which narrow tyres do better.
Quite simply the best driver on CZcams currently and conveys such emotion and feeling through his senses . Brilliant !!!
Right from the start of the video I was pessimistic. Weather looked cold, and my first thought was the test would be invalid due to not testing cars on the same day & same driver.
Secondly tyres, as the Ferraris were shod with super sticky "qualifying tyres", which are only optimal for a few laps. Which is also an SF90 trick too i.e. qualifying mode to give one or two hot laps. The McLaren will keep performing lap after lap, and its tyres are genuinely fitted to road car ordered by customers - unlike the Ferraris where they are just an option, so they can generate good press results.
doesnt suprise me it couldnt pull out ahead of the pista it is such a fast car its crazy
Pleaee do a lap with the AMG GT Black Series
I'm surprised the EVO team hasn't tried the Senna yet. It should be faster than the 675LT on the track, right ?
And now, we are waiting for the replacement of the Aventador which should be monstrous, then perhaps the return of a holy trinity of replacements 918/P1/Laferrari around 2024 ? I look forward. All this should run faster than an SF90, it's going to be crazy.
There's a SF90 VS in the making as well.
I think there's a second or two in that car, Sutcliffe was upshifting in corners and not very confident in his ability to control the LT. I think in different hands it could go a fair bit faster.
Traction limited. That's why he short-shifted
Seems a bit old information, I want to know how it stacks up against newer stuff like the Ferrari SF90 or 296GTB
Please, what is the name of the song at the end of the vídeo?
Steve!!!
Looks pretty darn violent
Change driver?
Ferrari press cars are notorious for not being representative of the tuning they end up giving to their owners. The cars are always faster in the automotive tests than in real life. Maybe that's not the case now but it has been before.
Excuses LMAO
If test was on Cup2r tires it would be second faster
It's been shown the 720s on with the track pack, trofeo R tyres, has lapped better than the 765lt. It just puts down the power better
When the 765 first came out it was slower yes, but since, as said by many journos, it’s become a different car, and is definitely faster round a circuit
Please bring the AMG GT black series.
I think we can all agree, as modern cars become more and more powerful, the importance of good tyre is amplified. I'm surprised by McLaren on this decision.
Sureprised to see the P1 still being the hero. And that its not faster than the Pista. The Mclaren 765 was no doubt targeted towards the Pista.
Like I've said before... **SINCE** we're throwing 'Cup 2Rs' on EVERYTHING, FINE... let's get a '992 Turbo S' (w/Lightweight Package) throw some 'Cup2Rs' on it & let's see what it'll do!
It won’t do shit, it was slower than the f8 on the same cup2 tyres
Forgive me for saying, you can see he is braking too early, is slow around the bends, yet gives it the full beans coming out of a corner. This guy is a journalist, not a race driver.
Consider the price to performance, 720S is still my choice
Most buyers of this car probably won't track it as it was intended. That being said, i certainly can appreciate it, but that Singer DLS, that Chris Harris just drove, seems way more fun.
Where is the EVO laptimer, would be a great addition for your fans. Jus saying…
Better tyres or not it should be trouncing a Pista.. I think Ferrari’s give the drivers more confidence to attack.
Two things to know:
1 Pirelli’s suck balls big time and they are no comparison to Cup2r’s
2 McLarens need a limited slit diff badly to put its power down out of corners better and be more stable under power - thank god, the new Artura has got it, finally
Why is it always a rolling start?
If it had ‘all season tyres’ maybe .5 sec quicker? 👀
All seasons are much slower
@@freddiejones4598 I think he is kidding but I don’t get the joke lol.
Need a driver mod an re-run both cars. To much Revs going into turns. Just sounded like the driver wasnt comfortable with the car, but that was only listening 😅 but the McLaren’s are so light when you apply to much rpm going into turns they wana straighten out instantly.
I see so many spots where the McLaren could’ve been faster
they can try designing and building their own engine
I think 765LT needs a suspension setup dialed in for the driver tastes to be fastest
Seemed to be a bit too much car for either the track and/or our pilot this time! Don't know if this is a good or bad thing. Here's where we are today: too much? Not that I wouldn't do bad things to have one in my garage, though...
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The 765LT looks like a hairy ass car to drive fast, which gives it a kind of charm imo. I still prefer the Pista, but the McLaren is definitely a rocket that’s probably trying to kill you, which is kind of cool lol.
I own 765, it’s easier to drive it than Pista. Much easier. If you have some experience with driving cars fast.
@@exoticsautoclub9329 Interesting! In what ways is the 765 easier to drive than the Pista, and what makes the latter car harder to drive?
@@danieldickerson4838 765 is just easier to drive and it’s faster. I assume Cup2R is the only reason Pista posted faster time and as the author said slippery track and cold windy day.
Drive them both and you will know what I mean.
Did this car (or the Ferrari) come with its own track engineers to optimize setup at the track? I know Ferrari was quite infamous for that in the past.
They all do. Except Porsche (sometimes)
makes no difference, everyone looking for an excuse against Ferrari,lol.
@@Happy-wb8gi there's a huge difference between billiard smooth tracks where the cheaply built Ferrari's super hard setup can look good (same with the Lamborghini Performante, GT2RS etc) versus more mixed surfaces where the carbon chassis and sophisticated suspension of the McLaren (not to mention its 40% superior power to weight ratio) pull it well ahead.
@@rocket06 I get the impression you don't like Italians!
So the LT is only worth 3 tenths!!?? Is that right? I thought it would be closer to a full second maybe more??