THE REVIEW FOR LEGEND OF RUBY SUNDAY IS COMING OUT SHORTLY Edit: Apologies for this video coming out later than expected and being shorter than I would like it to be. My wifi went out on Wednesday and I just got it back up. On the positive side it let me get ahead on some projects I had fallen back on. On the negative side… my wifi went out on Wednesday. Nevertheless I hope you enjoy!
This has nothing to do with this season, but today I convinced my Art teacher, who has never seen dw before, to watch "Vincent and the Doctor" in class 🤣 We'll be watching it on monday
I warmed up to Rogue a little bit when I realized the moment Rogue sacrifices himself for Ruby is really the moment the Doctor properly falls in love with him, but after two viewings I still think it’s one of the season’s weaker offerings.
Rogue is coming back according to my inside source, which is my friend’s cousin’s sister’s mate who was in the local chippy and heard the fish fryer say, and this is a direct quote, “Yeah, they’ll probably bring that Rogue back.” Or maybe they ran out of roe cakes.
For me, it felt like we once again aren't getting a Ruby and Doctor episode, they were once again seperate. It felt to me like an episode you would get in between companions. I also just had trouble believing the relationship here, the dude was a bounty hunter and the doctor seemed to have to problem with that? The Doctor is always crying over ruby in this season, but seems to have no problem just running off and letting her do her own thing, much more so than previous doctors.
That would actually make sense in some ways (the "always a twist on the end" joke makes more sense after seeing more cameos), and I wonder if Disney swapped them for timing purposes. I heard a robot that the devil's chord ended up releasing when it did to be near Eurovision. Then Bridgerton set Rogue just randomly came between part 1 and part 2 of Bridgerton series 3 which is weird timing if completely random.
Since RTD did that farewell tour for Ten back in the day, I have to wonder whether Rogue could reappear in Gatwa's finale, not necessarily as a major part of the plot but as a final farewell thing.
I think episode is way overhated I really like that’s is just a regular doctor who episode. I love this season but my problem with it is there isn’t an enough formulaic episodes (doctor and companion land somewhere and have to defeat an enemy). This episode is one of my top 3 favourites of the season and I really don’t understand why people are hating. Btw love the videos bro I disagree with most of your doctor who opinions but I still watch and love them 😂 keep it up
Dude! I had the exact same thought about Rogue and The Devil’s Chord switching!!! It makes so much more sense for Rogue to be episode 2 than The Devils chord imo
Rouge was a decent episode from my viewpoint. A big number of people say it was a nice paler cleanser after the experimental episodes, and I rather agree with them. Part 1 if the finale is coming out tonight so it’ll be nice to watch this video then hear your thoughts about the new episode later in the night.
Bro you are so right with episode 2 and 6 being swapped. It makes so much sense the other way around! "The one who waits is almost here" works so much better just before the finale!
The best relationships for the doctor are one-off imo: Girl in the Fireplace, Human Nature, and Rogue are my favourites. Even River, though not my favourite, was at least not a regular companion
Ngl when writing my comment completely forgot about The Doctor and Yasmin's relationship lol. Great video as always! It's funny almost every episode that comes out I think "this would have been a much better episode 2 than Devil's Chord"
I believe that nowadays of the showrunner does a massive re-write they get a co-writer credit which is why Steven Moffat is a co-writer on so much stuff in series 8 and 9
I loved this episode from the start. I found it relaxing like a true doctor who episode, not to take away from the other great episodes of the season. It was an easy story which was enticing and fun. The setup between rogue and the doctor felt natural to me and the ending was a great way of showing this. Ncuti was fantastic as always alongisde millie and Jonathan. Overall, I loved this episode like all of the others in this season.
I fs thought this would be the ep you wouldn't like but I'm so glad that this season is delivering for you. Completely agree with your point about fan fictions & your take on the 13th Doctor.
One theory is that Rogue will be "The one who waits". Not sure how I feel about that. It would wreck his character, and seems a little lazy. If it is him, then you're right that this episode should have been earlier in the season.
@14:00 you're sort of right, I think. I knew the running order seemed to have been messed with because there was the double episode with the musical right before Eurovision, so I had been looking out for any episodes which seemed to be definitively after The Devil's Chord. I think that it was probably meant to go Space Babies, Rogue, Boom (or Boom, Rogue, not too sure, because Susan Twist), 73 Yards, The Devil's Chord, Dot and Bubble, and then the final. I don't think TDC can be after DAB as in TDC Ruby says the Doctor has an answer for everything, and in DAB we see that he doesn't, as he can't help the citizens of Finetime due to their racism.
29:01 - ah, but you don't see the War doctor regenerate into the Ninth Doctor, not in the original episode. You see the regeneration begin and then it gets cut off. Shalka could easily slot between the two
Loved this episode, and LOVE your positivity! I binge your vids so youtube incorrectly recvomends a bunch of negative nelly Who creators to me, but i never bother with them!
12:04 for the i just think the power dynamic was a bit weird with yaz pinning and the doc almost dismissing but it’s not played as toxic it’s played as good
Rogue could come back. The Doctor has Rogue's ring, so he could use that telepathic circuit thing in the Tardis, though does it work across dimensions?
I think the point about "getting over the trauma" is a little iffy. You never really fully heal from certain trauma, you just learn to manage it. It's not like a minor physical injury, the memory will always be with you and inform your thinking and behaviours. Therapy helps with managing it's impact on your life, don't get me wrong, but you don't "get over" things like that fully.
in the context of a long running fictional tv show, you have to make a choice: do you get over it or do you not. you can't pick and choose. every single behaviour he does makes sense if you ignore bigneration and its implications. if you do factor that in, it is simply clunky from a storytelling perspective. you've gotta tie yourself in knots to try and justify it when the truth is, it just makes more sense without it. 13th dr was very reserved, she regenerated and now is much more open >
@@dwfan91- Like dealing with trauma in real life, I don't think that this is that binary a decision. I think what they're aiming to do with that bigeneration "you fixed yourself" stuff is reduce the amount of dwelling on the past traumas of the doctor so that the show can move forward and remain fresh, and giving 10 some emotional closure (as he specifically was one of the most gloomy doctors at points), while still characterising the Doctor as someone with depth. I don't think it's tying the story in knots, unless I'm missing something really all he did was bring up his past poigniantly in a scene that's there to show that Rogue and the Doctor are kindred spirits. I think that's arguably quite healthy behaviour to be able to talk about it. Being over it doesn't mean never talking about it again.
Yeah as someone with cptsd that shit sticks around even after you've been in therapy for a long time. It is not a binary thing at all. I think if they treated it like that it would be a lot less believable. Honestly I think it's a kinda harmful misconception. You can make a lot of progress and still backslide sometimes. It's a lifelong process. Getting retraumatized is also a thing. I know personally being in certain situations again can send me spiraling even if I'd been doing really well before. With the sort of stuff the Doctor's dealing with it's not something you can just get over like that. You can tell he's worked through a lot. He's able to talk more openly about things in a genuine way without getting triggered by it and he's much better at showing his emotions in general. But he still has some questionable coping mechanisms at times. Honestly he reads a lot like many of the traumatized friends I know who have come out the other side of things and worked through stuff but are still shaped by it.
Segun Akinola’s soundtrack absolutely slapped, he knocked it out of the park and I honestly think it’s the most consistently good thing about the Chibnall era! I feel…. middling towards the Chibnall era, but online opinion is so polarised about it I don’t feel like it’s worth arguing about with most people. Season 12 had a lot of bangers, the Angels episode of Flux and the episode about Partition was peak. I want an entire season of the Fugitive Doctor. I think a lot of the stuff in between that was just.. kind of a bit boring My pet theory is the complete lack of marketing did affect how much people thought about it. RTD2 has really built a hype train that feels like the original revival. Compare that to Chibnall era where I would find out (as a self-professed fan) about entire seasons of Doctor Who as they were airing. Combined with the inconsistent schedule, and it just isn’t on people’s radar for most of the year
100% agree with your thoughts at the beginning.. for a standard episode, it’s like an 8/10… compared to the rest of the season I’d have to give it like a 6.5
I'm really liking Ruby. It would be so sad if she ends up being a meanie. Yeah, idk why, but something tells me she will end up being all evil in the end...
Obviously your opinion is your own, but part of the reason why River Song's character worked so well for me is that beneath all the Moffat-woman-cliches, is a woman that is genuinely in love with the Doctor no matter what face they have, because as Nardole quoted: "Virtue is only virtue in extremis. This is what he believes, and this is the reason above all, I love him. My husband. My madman in a box. My Doctor." Further than that as well, River Song knows her shit. She isn't reliant on the Doctor (and in a similar vein why I liked Clara's confidence despite it getting her killed). It's interesting that you mentioned the River Song trapped the Doctor into being husband and wife, because about half of her appearance is on how the Doctor does NOT trust her. Even after rebooting the universe together, the Doctor still didn't trust her in the Impossible Astronaut. Throughout season 6 he was only flirty with her. Even the wedding at the finale was a last ditch to bring River into the fold and keep his death appearance. I'd argue the Doctor is only truly in love in Angels take Manhattan (I hated the slap but that's a general problem not specific to River. Moms really like slapping). So for me it took a lot of effort for both of them to come together as a couple and so personally, I think that's the opposite of being forced. As for the episode itself, the truth for me is that I never gave a shit about cgi quality. People rambled about Black Panther's cgi while I was oblivious to it. But you should consider that this was directly after Heaven Sent/Hell Bent where they had amazing cinematography (those Gallifrey shots def weren't cheap). And Return of Doctor Mysterio was a whole year later (unfortunately robbing us of 4 Capaldi seasons). I can see why most of Husbands of River Song felt like running around until the climax, but I think the little conversations here and there (like at the dinner table) is just so precious. We went through multiple seasons not knowing who River is and if she's genuinely good or playing a trick on the Doctor (which turns out the be both) but in this episode the dynamic is switched. We see the view point of someone who was unsure if the love of her life can ever love her back. Like I said before the moment in Angels take Manhattan is the first true showcase of the Doctor's love, which was a relatively recent event according to River's diary, and she even felt conflicted when 11 asked her to travel with him. But with 12, with just the one line: "Hello Sweetie", she knows that this Time Lord cares deeply for her. Lastly, this last quote just solidifies it for me: "No, Doctor, you're wrong. Happy ever after doesn't mean forever. It just means time. A little time." After loosing Clara and going through 4.5 billion years just because he couldn't let go, it's amazing to see The Doctor and River ending on such a good note. 24 years together is not forever, and it's not even long for beings like The Doctor, but it is still a happy ending (also reaffirmed in the next episode when he says "Everything begins again too, and that's, always happy"). Like with my comment on Twice Upon a Time, I don't expect to change your opinion, but I hope this makes you see the episode under a different light. At the end, The Doctor and River -both lived- happily -ever after- Anyway, Rogue and the Doctor made me giddied finally seeing an mlm couple on Doctor Who (Jack and Ianto was great but I don't count it)
I feel like you're not wrong in the slightest. In fact I don't hate or even dislike River Song. As I say in the video I even think that 90% of the episodes she's in are incredible 8-9/10s. I just don't really *love* her, and I think that's just down to vibes. Obviously she is a very beloved and successful character so it doesn't really matter what I think, again it comes down to those subjective criticisms that I was talking about in my last video
I kinda hate just about all doctor who romances because it just seems gross that someone so old like the doctor is even thinking about someone around 20-30 feels gross.
River didn't 'trap' the Doctor. She said his name because she didn't have the luxury of waiting for him to trust her in the moment. She also knew she was going to die and needed one last moment of connection. You need to stay out of incel forums.
I like to watch reaction videos to episodes and I could tell Rogue wasnt in my favorites because I watched 1 reaction video and lost interest. Great episode but not very rewatchable in my opinion.
Honestly, I think that the plot twists were super predictable and tropey and that the episode was all the better for it. It's a classic doomed romance. You *know* Rogue doesn't make it out; someone not from present day earth accepting an offer to travel with the Doctor is always a death sentence. But you don't know how, just yet, so that keeps you watching. When they recalibrate the trap to hold more than the 4 known Chulda, you realise exactly what's going to happen. Rogue is going to take the plunge with them; but you don't know how he'll end up there, so you keep watching. And when Ruby is trapped in it, it clicks. Almost immediately, for me. 5 Chulda, and Rogue is going to switch with Ruby. It's obvious, but it's engaging, and it's perfect for that. When you watch a tragedy, you know how it's going to end but you can't help but mourn anyways. You root for Romeo and Juliet in spite of knowing they both die. As Hadestown puts it, you read the same story day after day hoping the ending will change. I knew exactly what was coming around every corner on my first watch of Rogue, but I don't consider that a flaw. I think it's good writing.
Rogue was a good episode yes and there were moments that I loved however for me personally I wasn't a fan of it and I will admit it is solely because of the era it is set in. I really dislike regency era and find it boring but that is just me. So is it a good episode yes will I rewatch it no same as I don't rewatch Girl in the Fireplace they are just not dor me episodes. As for the Chibnall era I am one who actually enjoyed it on the whole. Did it have it's bad points yes, could the writing have been better sometimes yes. However overall I did enjoy it and will revisit it when binge watching just skipping the episodes I didn't like much.
your least favorite???? bro it has jonathan groff that should be enough to be in top 1, the doctor being gay just make me happy. You dont care about Rogue??????????? he´s the new captain jack but better cuz jonathan is a decent human being, bro is so tasteless in this one
THE REVIEW FOR LEGEND OF RUBY SUNDAY IS COMING OUT SHORTLY
Edit: Apologies for this video coming out later than expected and being shorter than I would like it to be. My wifi went out on Wednesday and I just got it back up. On the positive side it let me get ahead on some projects I had fallen back on. On the negative side… my wifi went out on Wednesday. Nevertheless I hope you enjoy!
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This has nothing to do with this season, but today I convinced my Art teacher, who has never seen dw before, to watch "Vincent and the Doctor" in class 🤣
We'll be watching it on monday
I honestly didn't expect the end like people where theorising that's who he is but I didn't think it'd be true
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he'll only ever have 2 fans at the lowest. I'm there 'til the end bro
It feels fantastic to have a majority positive community reaction to a series. It's so refreshing if you ignore a certain part of the community
Yeah it really is. I've seen good critiques for this ep & I've also seen so many hate this one cuz they literally don't know what fun is.
I warmed up to Rogue a little bit when I realized the moment Rogue sacrifices himself for Ruby is really the moment the Doctor properly falls in love with him, but after two viewings I still think it’s one of the season’s weaker offerings.
I think it was designed that way, like a fun little romp just before that insane 2 parter finale
Rogue is coming back according to my inside source, which is my friend’s cousin’s sister’s mate who was in the local chippy and heard the fish fryer say, and this is a direct quote, “Yeah, they’ll probably bring that Rogue back.”
Or maybe they ran out of roe cakes.
I swear episodes that are meant to be filler are sometimes the best out of the series
For me, it felt like we once again aren't getting a Ruby and Doctor episode, they were once again seperate. It felt to me like an episode you would get in between companions.
I also just had trouble believing the relationship here, the dude was a bounty hunter and the doctor seemed to have to problem with that? The Doctor is always crying over ruby in this season, but seems to have no problem just running off and letting her do her own thing, much more so than previous doctors.
Rouge and Devils Chord were totally switched! For some reason I used to be under the impression the Devils chord was episode 6, this would make sense
That would actually make sense in some ways (the "always a twist on the end" joke makes more sense after seeing more cameos), and I wonder if Disney swapped them for timing purposes. I heard a robot that the devil's chord ended up releasing when it did to be near Eurovision. Then Bridgerton set Rogue just randomly came between part 1 and part 2 of Bridgerton series 3 which is weird timing if completely random.
Since RTD did that farewell tour for Ten back in the day, I have to wonder whether Rogue could reappear in Gatwa's finale, not necessarily as a major part of the plot but as a final farewell thing.
I think episode is way overhated I really like that’s is just a regular doctor who episode. I love this season but my problem with it is there isn’t an enough formulaic episodes (doctor and companion land somewhere and have to defeat an enemy). This episode is one of my top 3 favourites of the season and I really don’t understand why people are hating. Btw love the videos bro I disagree with most of your doctor who opinions but I still watch and love them 😂 keep it up
New dwfan91 video let's gooooooo. Rogue was such a great episode, I loved it!
Dude! I had the exact same thought about Rogue and The Devil’s Chord switching!!! It makes so much more sense for Rogue to be episode 2 than The Devils chord imo
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Rouge was a decent episode from my viewpoint. A big number of people say it was a nice paler cleanser after the experimental episodes, and I rather agree with them.
Part 1 if the finale is coming out tonight so it’ll be nice to watch this video then hear your thoughts about the new episode later in the night.
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Rouge is great! ❤
As a DnD player, I can assure you that plenty of DnD players would be even worse than Rogue at roleplaying in that situation 🤪
Just watched part one of the finale... AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My thoughts exactly! I'm shivering 🤣
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I'M SO HYPED FOR THE FINAL EPISODE
Welp… I didn’t make the cut this time, but as always: I enjoyed the video a lot! Always a pleasure to see a notification from you, sire!
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'Kill the gays' is a trope they were referring to. This, however, did the 'gays fall in love really fast' trope x
Bro you are so right with episode 2 and 6 being swapped. It makes so much sense the other way around! "The one who waits is almost here" works so much better just before the finale!
I thought this episode was mid. That being said, this is undoubtably the best looking episode in the entire 60 year run. It looks phenomenal.
Really? I thought it looked pretty pedestrian compared to the rest of this series.
I wait for your videos every week on the next episodes
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The best relationships for the doctor are one-off imo: Girl in the Fireplace, Human Nature, and Rogue are my favourites. Even River, though not my favourite, was at least not a regular companion
Ngl when writing my comment completely forgot about The Doctor and Yasmin's relationship lol.
Great video as always! It's funny almost every episode that comes out I think "this would have been a much better episode 2 than Devil's Chord"
Was just about to sit down and watch episode 7. But a new dwfan91 video means that can wait!
I believe that nowadays of the showrunner does a massive re-write they get a co-writer credit which is why Steven Moffat is a co-writer on so much stuff in series 8 and 9
Yeah, Rogue is excellent. Can't wait for your video regarding the latest episode!
great video! and i can’t wait for you to post your reaction and review tonight’s episode with hehehe someone special
I've been loving the new series. It's been so fun. Ncuti has completely filled the shoes
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I wouldn’t mind if Rogue came back.
15 and Rogue could be the new 11 and River
I loved this episode from the start. I found it relaxing like a true doctor who episode, not to take away from the other great episodes of the season. It was an easy story which was enticing and fun. The setup between rogue and the doctor felt natural to me and the ending was a great way of showing this. Ncuti was fantastic as always alongisde millie and Jonathan. Overall, I loved this episode like all of the others in this season.
I fs thought this would be the ep you wouldn't like but I'm so glad that this season is delivering for you. Completely agree with your point about fan fictions & your take on the 13th Doctor.
One theory is that Rogue will be "The one who waits". Not sure how I feel about that. It would wreck his character, and seems a little lazy. If it is him, then you're right that this episode should have been earlier in the season.
Just finished the first part of the finale and woah that was good
holy moly batman hes spitting fax about rogue being after space babies (also devils chord is my fav perfect in my eyes)
@14:00 you're sort of right, I think. I knew the running order seemed to have been messed with because there was the double episode with the musical right before Eurovision, so I had been looking out for any episodes which seemed to be definitively after The Devil's Chord. I think that it was probably meant to go Space Babies, Rogue, Boom (or Boom, Rogue, not too sure, because Susan Twist), 73 Yards, The Devil's Chord, Dot and Bubble, and then the final. I don't think TDC can be after DAB as in TDC Ruby says the Doctor has an answer for everything, and in DAB we see that he doesn't, as he can't help the citizens of Finetime due to their racism.
29:01 - ah, but you don't see the War doctor regenerate into the Ninth Doctor, not in the original episode. You see the regeneration begin and then it gets cut off. Shalka could easily slot between the two
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Something i would like from the new series is more tardis chill time perhaps
Loved this episode, and LOVE your positivity! I binge your vids so youtube incorrectly recvomends a bunch of negative nelly Who creators to me, but i never bother with them!
12:04 for the i just think the power dynamic was a bit weird with yaz pinning and the doc almost dismissing but it’s not played as toxic it’s played as good
What if the shalka doctor is from a universe where the 8th regenerates into it, and he slipped into this universe?
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Rogue could come back. The Doctor has Rogue's ring, so he could use that telepathic circuit thing in the Tardis, though does it work across dimensions?
I think the point about "getting over the trauma" is a little iffy. You never really fully heal from certain trauma, you just learn to manage it. It's not like a minor physical injury, the memory will always be with you and inform your thinking and behaviours. Therapy helps with managing it's impact on your life, don't get me wrong, but you don't "get over" things like that fully.
in the context of a long running fictional tv show, you have to make a choice: do you get over it or do you not. you can't pick and choose. every single behaviour he does makes sense if you ignore bigneration and its implications. if you do factor that in, it is simply clunky from a storytelling perspective. you've gotta tie yourself in knots to try and justify it when the truth is, it just makes more sense without it. 13th dr was very reserved, she regenerated and now is much more open >
@@dwfan91- Like dealing with trauma in real life, I don't think that this is that binary a decision. I think what they're aiming to do with that bigeneration "you fixed yourself" stuff is reduce the amount of dwelling on the past traumas of the doctor so that the show can move forward and remain fresh, and giving 10 some emotional closure (as he specifically was one of the most gloomy doctors at points), while still characterising the Doctor as someone with depth.
I don't think it's tying the story in knots, unless I'm missing something really all he did was bring up his past poigniantly in a scene that's there to show that Rogue and the Doctor are kindred spirits. I think that's arguably quite healthy behaviour to be able to talk about it. Being over it doesn't mean never talking about it again.
Yeah as someone with cptsd that shit sticks around even after you've been in therapy for a long time. It is not a binary thing at all. I think if they treated it like that it would be a lot less believable. Honestly I think it's a kinda harmful misconception. You can make a lot of progress and still backslide sometimes. It's a lifelong process. Getting retraumatized is also a thing. I know personally being in certain situations again can send me spiraling even if I'd been doing really well before. With the sort of stuff the Doctor's dealing with it's not something you can just get over like that. You can tell he's worked through a lot. He's able to talk more openly about things in a genuine way without getting triggered by it and he's much better at showing his emotions in general. But he still has some questionable coping mechanisms at times. Honestly he reads a lot like many of the traumatized friends I know who have come out the other side of things and worked through stuff but are still shaped by it.
Segun Akinola’s soundtrack absolutely slapped, he knocked it out of the park and I honestly think it’s the most consistently good thing about the Chibnall era! I feel…. middling towards the Chibnall era, but online opinion is so polarised about it I don’t feel like it’s worth arguing about with most people. Season 12 had a lot of bangers, the Angels episode of Flux and the episode about Partition was peak. I want an entire season of the Fugitive Doctor. I think a lot of the stuff in between that was just.. kind of a bit boring
My pet theory is the complete lack of marketing did affect how much people thought about it. RTD2 has really built a hype train that feels like the original revival. Compare that to Chibnall era where I would find out (as a self-professed fan) about entire seasons of Doctor Who as they were airing. Combined with the inconsistent schedule, and it just isn’t on people’s radar for most of the year
100%
100% agree with your thoughts at the beginning.. for a standard episode, it’s like an 8/10… compared to the rest of the season I’d have to give it like a 6.5
i love rogue!
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I'm really liking Ruby. It would be so sad if she ends up being a meanie. Yeah, idk why, but something tells me she will end up being all evil in the end...
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Obviously your opinion is your own, but part of the reason why River Song's character worked so well for me is that beneath all the Moffat-woman-cliches, is a woman that is genuinely in love with the Doctor no matter what face they have, because as Nardole quoted: "Virtue is only virtue in extremis. This is what he believes, and this is the reason above all, I love him. My husband. My madman in a box. My Doctor."
Further than that as well, River Song knows her shit. She isn't reliant on the Doctor (and in a similar vein why I liked Clara's confidence despite it getting her killed).
It's interesting that you mentioned the River Song trapped the Doctor into being husband and wife, because about half of her appearance is on how the Doctor does NOT trust her. Even after rebooting the universe together, the Doctor still didn't trust her in the Impossible Astronaut. Throughout season 6 he was only flirty with her. Even the wedding at the finale was a last ditch to bring River into the fold and keep his death appearance. I'd argue the Doctor is only truly in love in Angels take Manhattan (I hated the slap but that's a general problem not specific to River. Moms really like slapping). So for me it took a lot of effort for both of them to come together as a couple and so personally, I think that's the opposite of being forced.
As for the episode itself, the truth for me is that I never gave a shit about cgi quality. People rambled about Black Panther's cgi while I was oblivious to it. But you should consider that this was directly after Heaven Sent/Hell Bent where they had amazing cinematography (those Gallifrey shots def weren't cheap). And Return of Doctor Mysterio was a whole year later (unfortunately robbing us of 4 Capaldi seasons).
I can see why most of Husbands of River Song felt like running around until the climax, but I think the little conversations here and there (like at the dinner table) is just so precious. We went through multiple seasons not knowing who River is and if she's genuinely good or playing a trick on the Doctor (which turns out the be both) but in this episode the dynamic is switched. We see the view point of someone who was unsure if the love of her life can ever love her back. Like I said before the moment in Angels take Manhattan is the first true showcase of the Doctor's love, which was a relatively recent event according to River's diary, and she even felt conflicted when 11 asked her to travel with him. But with 12, with just the one line: "Hello Sweetie", she knows that this Time Lord cares deeply for her.
Lastly, this last quote just solidifies it for me: "No, Doctor, you're wrong. Happy ever after doesn't mean forever. It just means time. A little time." After loosing Clara and going through 4.5 billion years just because he couldn't let go, it's amazing to see The Doctor and River ending on such a good note. 24 years together is not forever, and it's not even long for beings like The Doctor, but it is still a happy ending (also reaffirmed in the next episode when he says "Everything begins again too, and that's, always happy").
Like with my comment on Twice Upon a Time, I don't expect to change your opinion, but I hope this makes you see the episode under a different light. At the end, The Doctor and River -both lived- happily -ever after-
Anyway, Rogue and the Doctor made me giddied finally seeing an mlm couple on Doctor Who (Jack and Ianto was great but I don't count it)
I feel like you're not wrong in the slightest. In fact I don't hate or even dislike River Song. As I say in the video I even think that 90% of the episodes she's in are incredible 8-9/10s. I just don't really *love* her, and I think that's just down to vibes. Obviously she is a very beloved and successful character so it doesn't really matter what I think, again it comes down to those subjective criticisms that I was talking about in my last video
So Rogue is familar with tabletop RGPs but not LARPs - problem solved.
I enjoyed river and 12 because of the speech's
Oh dont get me wrong I love the 12th Doctor, I just don't particularly like the episode where River Song is in it. Peter Capaldi is perfection
@@dwfan91- the speech before river knew that 12 was in the room with her was perfect
I kinda hate just about all doctor who romances because it just seems gross that someone so old like the doctor is even thinking about someone around 20-30 feels gross.
Bro I don’t care about rogue EMPIRE OF DEATH JUST CAME OUT
River didn't 'trap' the Doctor. She said his name because she didn't have the luxury of waiting for him to trust her in the moment. She also knew she was going to die and needed one last moment of connection.
You need to stay out of incel forums.
Jenifer don't be rude.
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1 minute late, disappointed.
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Tut-tut... 😂
I like to watch reaction videos to episodes and I could tell Rogue wasnt in my favorites because I watched 1 reaction video and lost interest. Great episode but not very rewatchable in my opinion.
Honestly, I think that the plot twists were super predictable and tropey and that the episode was all the better for it. It's a classic doomed romance. You *know* Rogue doesn't make it out; someone not from present day earth accepting an offer to travel with the Doctor is always a death sentence. But you don't know how, just yet, so that keeps you watching.
When they recalibrate the trap to hold more than the 4 known Chulda, you realise exactly what's going to happen. Rogue is going to take the plunge with them; but you don't know how he'll end up there, so you keep watching.
And when Ruby is trapped in it, it clicks. Almost immediately, for me. 5 Chulda, and Rogue is going to switch with Ruby. It's obvious, but it's engaging, and it's perfect for that. When you watch a tragedy, you know how it's going to end but you can't help but mourn anyways. You root for Romeo and Juliet in spite of knowing they both die. As Hadestown puts it, you read the same story day after day hoping the ending will change.
I knew exactly what was coming around every corner on my first watch of Rogue, but I don't consider that a flaw. I think it's good writing.
i agree
Rogue was a good episode yes and there were moments that I loved however for me personally I wasn't a fan of it and I will admit it is solely because of the era it is set in. I really dislike regency era and find it boring but that is just me. So is it a good episode yes will I rewatch it no same as I don't rewatch Girl in the Fireplace they are just not dor me episodes.
As for the Chibnall era I am one who actually enjoyed it on the whole. Did it have it's bad points yes, could the writing have been better sometimes yes. However overall I did enjoy it and will revisit it when binge watching just skipping the episodes I didn't like much.
Also the only problem is have with the chibnal era is that i find the companions boring and like the most average people ever
I didn't like the first two eposodes just thought they were half baked think what you want tho
Thought it was bad the Romance was so unbelievable because rogue is a Bounty Hunter and the doctor isnt supposed to be a horny teen
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your least favorite???? bro it has jonathan groff that should be enough to be in top 1, the doctor being gay just make me happy. You dont care about Rogue??????????? he´s the new captain jack but better cuz jonathan is a decent human being, bro is so tasteless in this one
15 more minutes before finale🗣️💯
WE STAYING UP TILL 9AM W THIS ONE