10 Year Old Roubaix Tech Vs Now! | GCN Tech Show 328
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- How do the bikes from 10 years ago compare to today & what tech will the pros be using for 2024? Alex & Ollie discuss! We also discuss the MOST Expensive tyres EVER, the latest 3d printed carbon track bikes made for the Olympics, a new Canyon bike, & an electric pump!
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🤔 Old tech or new tech? Which do you prefer?
Let us know 👇
Don't try and trigger me!
In-focus tech (and presenters)
It doesn't really matter if it's old or new tech, but it must be reliable and can be easily, and inexpensively, serviced. If it's broken and can't be fixed, then the tech is useless.
New tech, obviously!
Though as you can see in the video cover, Nibali actually did use corima carbon wheels on that stage.
2004 Tech.
Now we're talking!!! Tech Vs Tech. Next year let's take it back to 1995 Vs 2025! ❤❤❤
Ooo nice thinking Jon! 👌
And then do 1896 vs 2026
2007 Stuart O'Grady punctured and won. There is a great photo of the Mavic Service staff giving a push on restart..
I love some of the new tech, but who can deny that the Campagnolo Record (and Super Record) mechanical group sets are masterpieces and easily rival electronic shifting? No batteries, easy to work on, and bulletproof!
Aluminum boxed section rims with 32/36 spokes and 25 mm tubs pumped up to 100 psi were used on the cobbles because that rim spoke combination allowed for more subtle ride with the stiffness of carbon frames.
Some have argued that the recent push toward larger tire volumes and lower pressures for road bikes is explained by manufacturers optimizing carbon frames for stiffness. On a classic steel frame, you can get away with thinner tires and higher pressures because the frame itself is a form of suspension.
@@rlm4471 No you couldn't. I came up on really narrow tires pumped up to huge volume. I do not miss it at all.
@@rlm4471 I don't know if you have ridden a carbon and steel frame but it is the opposite. That would only be true if the classic frame had carbon bars, stem, seatpost, seat rails, etc. Steel doesn't have much compliance.
It is interesting to me that bikes from 10 years are not that different from bikes of 20 years ago, but bikes from 10 years ago are ancient compared todays bikes. It is CRAZY how fast the pros are now!
Not sure but I think there must be something on the lens here because Ollie's face is out of focus (yet his laptop and Alex are in focus). Bit distracting.
He's just so aero the camera can't keep up 💨
It happens all the time, and I don't understand why the filming done in the studio has all these issues with focus and lighting that we don't see on the segments shot outdoors. You would think that in the controlled stable environment of the studio it would be easier to get consistently good results.
@@Frostbiker I agree. I would say that they're clearly choosing to use high apertures in studio, though, which they don't do outdoors (mostly) so I think that's occasionally the cause but it really shouldn't be, you're right.
@@FrostbikerIt's because outdoors they shoot in auto mode, while indoors adjust focus manually. Expensive equipment does better job in motion than human operator in ideal conditions. It's not just here, it's everywhere over youtube.
I think they are also using wider lens/closer camera (or just differently positioned). Alex's hands look huge when on the keyboard.
Ahh, back in the good ol' days before tubeless 30's, springy headsets, flex seat posts and auto inflating tires the cobblestones would shake out your kidney stones!
Yeah it was nasty wasn't it! 😵💫
I can remember that back in the late 80's, a common tire set for Paris Roubaix was a Vittoria Pave CG 25mm in front, and a Vittoria Pave CG 27mm in back.
Don't forget that Nibali had Jacob Fuglsang helping him on that stage.
Jacob did an incredible job guiding Nibali through the pavés.
And Lars Boom, which earned him a contract at Astana the following year😂
"Lets talk tech 10 years ago", they start talking about 2014, Im like "uh, thats not 10 years ago". Turns out its already 2024😅
It’s so nice to watch the boys in the studio without obscene microphones blocking their entire existence.
"obscene". What a world.
On @gcnitalia, if I'm not wrong, they explained that the difference in the Pinarello Bolide's frame material between the men's and women's teams is attributed to the ratio of stiffness, weight, and torsion in relation to the varying power outputs they can generate.
Enjoying the vibes on the show lately 😄👍
Glossed over a lot of tech, but also missed some important stuff like run-flat foam, disc brakes, wireless shifting, more compliant carbon weave, 1-piece skin suits, and even turned-in levers!
There is too much tech for one show 🤯 Roubaix has always been the test bed for great tech 🙌
21:45 UCI reach around!? Interesting choice of phrase 😳
I ride my 2012 Specialized Roubaix (the comp with Rim brakes and an Ultegra triple!) all the time still - but only indoors on the trainer! Meanwhile I'm riding the Roubaix sportive on Saturday on my Trek Checkpoint with 42mm pathfinder tires.... Big difference! (for reference just look at average Dad Stefan's bike vault submission - I have the same frameset ;-) )
You missed the important part of how the PR stage went in 2014. It was miserably wet, and Nibali broke away with Lars Boom, a cross specialist, and finished ahead of the bunch. His competitors all crashed in the group, with Froome and Contador abandoning. There wasn't more time for Nibali to get, relatively.
Yes, they are real and yes, we will ship them. 🙂
@GoodyearBike glad to hear it! I best get saving my pennies! 😎
"You can't argue with the science" - can I suggest a rephrase "you can't argue with results" :)
This. Argue with* science, don't argue with** science.
* backed up by
** against
Good one. The scientific method is about having an idea, testing it, and the results must be open to falsification. Science is intended to stimulate argument and additional testing to confirm or knock it
19:31 Using something along those lines for my cycle courier work. Worth it.
23:12: it was Garcia Cortina who was visibly struggling on the Koppenberg. Lazkano was probably struggling as well but not clear to see on TV footage.
While Ollie is commenting on accepting new tech, he is slowly convincing himself to wear the Aerohead II on his next TT, or better, in a new video!
Great episode and love the banter 😂 Your should add this as a podcast as well!
Is Alex's top secret bike build a budget build with expensive parts he has just lying around 😜
But at least we know why he chose the secret location: so that nobody intercepts the delivery of those Goodyear tyres
wow......the super bike tool kit, that's awesome m8
Need to put that goodyear tire on my daily commuter.
At the risk of saying obvious: disc brakes are the unsung hero here (the recent reports that yet another race has been won at the record average speed testify to what the motorsport fans know very well: good brakes make you faster).
We're here for this 🙌 Do you think races like this are safer for disc brakes?
@@gcntech Well, discs can still add their own salt to the full speed collision injuries, I am afraid.
However, as Alex said, we needed to make a full circle to bring back (with wider tires) both more comfortable riding and better traction on cobbles.
Hence - yes - I think they are safer overall.
Better drugs that’s the difference
@@Tarmaccyclocross "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat" - they used to say in ancient Rome.
The main reason record average speed is broken in RVV is the wind direction.
@Alex you can charge the pump using your phone as a power bank if you pack a small usb c cable in case you forgot to charge it. Really cool device and with the pressure gauge better than co2 or a mechanical mini pump
Are you sure you’ve got that right? Charged BY a phone? I think I’d seen that it can put a bit of charge INTO your phone.
One benefit Alex and Ollie missed was that in really cold conditions when your hands are freezing this pump is way easier (and faster) and also for people with hand conditions (arthritis etc) who find using a mini hand pump difficult, this is really helpful.
@@rob-c. Yep on Android you can reverse the direction of the charging. Not sure about iPhones.
@@rob-c. Ok I just tested it with my iPhone 15 as well, the phone acts as the power bank and charges the mini pump
As a former employee of Goodyear, and a life-long user of Goodyear tires on my automobiles, I've always wanted a proper race tire for either my road, MTB, or BMx bikes.
I'll still be wanting some at those prices 😂
Edit: the Park Tool utility pick set has little magnets in the ends, just so you know, Dr. Ollie! They are fab!!
There must be a spare dura ace front mech kicking about in a parts bin somewhere to donate to Jacob.
Hahahah we'll see what we can find!
#askGCNtech A good chemistry question for Dr Ollie. It's understood that a tire filled by a CO2 cartridge bleeds the CO2 quickly after being filled, in the next few days. Why aren't these cartridges filled with plain air? It wouldn't be flammable would it? And the air would stay in the tire longer.
My 12 year old road bike came with 25mm tyres (and can take up to 28mm without mudguards) and that was marketed as having the ability to take wide tyres.
24:52 OMG, you could rebuild a car's transmission with that kit 😎.
One addition about minute 09:50 - actually Schwalbe offers their Pro One top end road tire (ridden by Tudor, Uno X and Canyon Sram) even in a 38 mm version. Although I assume that their pro teams are using a 34 mm. But there are more top end options out there than Conti and Pirelli ;-)
52 * 42 chainrings was always the norm for ordinary riders like me (remember Biopace?) with 53 or more for racers and I could spin out 53 * 13 easily but 13 teeth was smallest I could get on a Suntour UltraSix
53x13 is actually a slightly lower gear ratio than 45x11 would be!
Week 56 of asking for a “The UCI has no jurisdiction here” T-shirt
Keep on going .... Waiting for that week 6969 comment
You may have to do it yourself 😮
12:25 I remember Boonen running a 44 inner. And AGAIN: the reason running 55T in the front is not the higher speed, but the smaller increments when changing a gear in the rear + less friction. There is a 9% uphill section on cobbles somewhere in the race (early on), so that 44 inner is still usable or with a 1x you'll have to go to 50 in front and 30 or 32 in the back.
Another reason is the chainline. With a 55, you don't have to ride near the end of the cassette when the pack is really cruising.
I like when Ollie says back in the day which means something totally different for some of us in a higher age bracket, Also I can see he really knows how to keep the peace at work with the bike vault, not the best move .
The shallow rims are surely to help handle the cobbles as a lighter rider? Wooden rims were used on into the alloy rim era at Roubaix for the same reason... I think.
The ultimate irony with 34 mm tyres in Paris-Roubaix would be that then there would be wider tyres in road races than in CX, where the 33 mm UCI limit still applies.
vittoria corsa pro control 34m is made for roubaix, I'm running them on my time adhx and love them
For bad tracks like Roubaix bigger wheels (29'') would help, too. Maybe against UCI regulations?
We'll see some fatter tyres for sure - maybe some 32mm tyres in the peloton 👀
Shut up
29” and 700C are the same…
This is interesting. Ten years ago is like yesterday for me and my bikes. Ten years ago, bikes were not much different from twenty, thirty, forty years ago except carbon fibre and concealed cables. If I could afford, it, I'd go out and get a very good aluminium frame with wide rims for 35mm tyres and lugs for mudguards for group rides and sell my current bikes.
#AskGCNTech Aloha all. On my gravel bike I'm running 700x35 slick tires (Rene Herse Band) for road riding here in the rough city streets. They are amazingly smooth, have lots of grip and let me lean deeper into fast turns.I agree with Alex, more people should try wider tire. I've kicked around the idea of going with an even wider tire in the rear - my bike will fit up to a 50mm tire. Rene Herse makes a number of wider sizes at 38, 44, and 48 of the same slick style tire.
My question: Would a wider rear tire be even smoother, gripper without the much of an aero penalty?
A follow-up question: how wide should I go with a rear tire?
This could make for a great video, the pros and cons of a extra wide rear tire...
Side note: I ride with 700x48 knobby tires (also from Rene Herse) for more off road adventures, and can't state home much better wider tires ride on rough roads and gravel. Wider tires = better rides.
UCI should institute a maximum gear ratio for road stages. Not joking. Speeds don’t need to continue getting faster and faster while there aren’t proportional increases in safety.
It Will be an aero bike with Big chainrings, and they Will also break the speed Record this year for Paris-Roubaix😉
Do they use the seat and handlebar suspensions at pro level? After watching the GCN video, seems like these make a huge difference
that old tinkoff saxo kit at 2:00 brings back memories. it is one of my 3 favourite kits ever. other 2 are the mapei kit and the lidl trek one.
just thought of a question. Do you remember when TS began producing 2 kits per season? they had a training one (i think it had a camouflage design) and then their race kit as shown at 2:00 Do teams still do that, or is it back to one design?
Can't speak for the sponsored professionals, but for us mere mortals it's not that we're afraid of change, it's just we don't have the change for the latest tech...
I usually use a 56 * 47 when I ride the cobbles.
Something looks very much off in the studio. The UCI Label on the laptop seems almost in focus, Oli is completely out of focus, Alex is perfect in Focus but seems further away from the camera than Oli. Maybe you guys should use a propper camera for this instead of a smartphone with fake depth of field. (Or was the glass on the top right dirty?)
Can anyone explain why tubulars have almost totally disappeared from the pro peloton with the introduction of tubeless? Theoretically tubulars would work just as fine at stopping punctures as clinchers if you add some sealant to them.
A “tubular/tubeless” setup would fix the problems of tires coming off the rims?
What about shock absorption? Seats, bars, etc.?
That toolkit was pure little boys christmas mode.
It's great to see more and more pros moving backs to tubs. Riders who really want reduce the odds of a tire failure are finally starting to wake up! Tubs still dominate CX for a reason. Tubs don't burp. Tubs don't pinch flat. Tubs are more comfortable owing to having a full 360 casing. Tubs make the wheels much lighter. But alas, Tubs are handmade, so can't generate the same profit margin as an open format tire. How will the industry survive!
Hell I have an old cervelo RS! Developed just for cobbles!
I carry an electric pump - it's called Fumpa, and it's as good as they come. You can pump six tyres up before recharging and it takes around 10 seconds [yes 10 seconds] to get your tyre to 80psi.
So why do the UCI limit tyre width to 33mm in CX races? Is there no UCI for tyre width in road races?
This years PR will be won on a Canyon Aeroad CFR in size large. No doubt😅
The GCN staff seem to have a preference to the Hunt wheels :-)
Good wheels
Wasn't Matty Hayman also the first to win Roubaix on an aero bike in 2016 -- using a Scott Foil? Now everybody's using them.
Great bit of trivia 🙌 Would you choose an aero bike for Roubaix?
I'd use a gravel bike...@@gcntech
Aeros a joke
A colleague of mine tried tubeless, had too many issues and started switching back to tubes. I see a lot of commuters here in Cape Town that use totally bottom end bikes that barely function and are missing pieces. The cyclists with the expensive gear probably have tubeless, but I am not sure.
As your thumbnail shows, Nibali actually rode the cobbled stage with his medium profile corima, not with the low profile alloy.
and judging from the pictures at least with a 25mm tire.
Question. Can I use my heated drying rack without harming my kit?
After all of the really bad crashes lately (especially today in the Basque Country) is it time for a conversation about the speed of the peleton? It seems that each race is breaking the Avg speed of the prior year. Or has it always been this bad? Just my thought on seing so many people going down and staying down. Great show again by the way🙂
I think it will be won on an aero bike too. There are non cobbled sections and the aero bike is best for that
More interesting (or useful) than the existence or otherwise of punctured winners would be overall puncture stats. Did more riders puncture ten( or twenty) years ago than now? Are wider tires and lower pressures statistically more puncture resistant? ParisRoubaix is the litmus of puncture resistance....
Park Tool dreams times 1,000 at least! I hope Alex is building a new secret bike for Chloe. She is Kasia's favourite GCN presenter after all.
That would be amazing, but unfortunately not😢
@@alexpatonGCN Well, still excited to see this mystery bike build!
@@BrentonChan me too! A few weeks to wait yet though!
It hurts that Ollie didn’t put those tools back properly
that was pretty cool seeing the GCN staff bikes! I'm curious to see more if Cillian's too wiped out after his big ride to fix the uploader :P
Hahaha it'll be a picture of Cillian with his feet up. he'll deserve a rest after this effort 🙌
21:44 The idea of a 'UCI reacharound' is quite disturbing for those of us old enough to remember 'Full Metal Jacket'...
#askGCNtech My bottle of chain drip wax froze for a few days while in my garage over the winter (I live in Canada). There is a warning on the bottle to not let it freeze. Is it still OK to use? And this got me to thinking, what about the wax on my chain when my bike is stored in my garage or shed over the winter? If the wax in the bottle shouldn't be frozen, what about the wax on our chains? Should we be dewaxing our chains when storing them for winter?
28:30 so that Alex can mash bikes more thoroughly with a wider range of tools #pearlsbeforeswine
People were afraid of Di2 because of Mavic's failed groupset.
Been using an electric pump at roadside for a while now. It’s the best bit of tech I’ve had for years. Can get tyres up to 100 psi no problem. No more squidgy tyre training. Can do this 3 times on 1 charge. In a few years everyone will have them, pumps will be a thing of the past…
That's awesome! Do you think it'll be the next big thing in everyones saddle bags?
Definitely, they speed up repairs at roadside and enable you to carry on riding with a fully inflated tyre. I charge my Di2, my Wahoo and check the charge in my electric pump.
I think the UCI needs to tighten up its rule on equipment being made available for the public to purchase.
Since "wider tires are faster", I can't wait until next year's tour, everyone should be on fat bikes then since they're obviously the fastest.
The type of bike which will win depends on whether Pedersen chooses to ride the Madone or the Domane
sagan won the junior world mtb champs in 2008, when alex came in 47th, one lap behind. alex was on the team relay team the same year though, finishing 14th and beating slovenia. so you could say alex actually beat sagan, if sagan had actually been on the slovenian team, which he sadly wasn't because he is from slovakia and the slovak team finished 11th.
Try 2007, you'll have more luck. My mistake Sagan won the year after haha
@@GCNalexcorrect! sagan was 8th in 2007. you finished before avancini that year!
Following the crash today. And the dicusions. Could you make a (serious) video about how to slow down the bikes that became "to fast" ?
I’m doing a top secret bike build soon (my wife hasn’t got a clue) where do I apply for the free park tool kit please 😊
I'll stick with my $55 Michelins 😄😃😀.
Much better looking bikes though 10 years ago! 😉
Ollie was in a hornery mood for this show
I don't think the conclusion of Hank and Conor riding cobbles with the suspended seatposts and stems was that they would have preferred rigid posts and stems with fatter, softer tires.
Suspension systems can be beneficial for sure. But my opinion and a logical perspective is that you should maximise what's possible from tyre choice, size and pressure before looking at any extra suspension system
Definitely no 34mm uci rule 33mm ah come tech guys gen up
Aero bike, 30mm tyres. MVDP for the treble 🎉
Has anyone tried calling the number provided by Bertrand?
I rode the 1991 amateur Roubaix on an Eddy Merckx Columbus sl , Mavic Roubaix rims 36 spokes, cheap training singles, and 2 pairs of gloves and tyre pressure about 60 psi, 23 mil. Didn’t crash no punctures, how’s that tech.
fair play! Those Mavic Paris Roubaix SSC rims were beauties weren't they?!
I will always use tubes in training
Nibali was riding a roubaix in 2014...
Heaven forbid ENVE release a new tire that’s a WHOLE FOUR DOLLARS more expensive than the MSRP of the Continental GP5000 S TR. People just complain for the sake of it at this point.
I thought the Pinarello Bolide would be 3D-printed magnesium....
The answer to which type of bike is gonna win is easy. It's whatever Mathieu chooses to use 😂
he is certainly the hot favourite !
These mics sound great, better than the other boys....or maybe I just don't like change ;-)
Rockshox of the early 90s
The TURD was classic!!!
Totally disagree agree with Nibs alloy wheels far more flexible than carbons allowing more comfort and control through the bars allowing a more relaxed grip therefore easing pressure from the hips, it’s not all about aero carbon, don’t get me started on bars and levers
32 Continentals with Victoria inserts