@@louisiananlord17 he did. There was a novel, I don’t remember the name of it, but I know that he became chief engineer. I also believe that his relationship between Lieutenant Torres is back to normal and their friendship was not affected. In the later novel, he did participated in a rescue mission for belanna and her daughter. If I am wrong, please correct me.
@GalaxyMagician I will dig deep into the Voyager lore and get back to you. Also, I wish we knew who that female Vulcan was who was a Maquis on board that was Chakotay's co-partner when Teero Anaydis tried to murder the crew and take over the ship on season 7.
Writers actually had to clarify on the 7 years thing, yes Vulcans go through Pon Farr every 7 years but they can have sexual relations anytime they wish.
Now I’m just picturing him watching the Vulcan equivalent of Pon Farr porn. Two young Vulcan Starfleet cadets each taking two of their fingers and rubbing them against the other’s fingers all while maintaining the same stoic Vulcan expression.
I like to imagine a Vulcan crew member had just gone through the Pon Far right before Voyager went to the Delta quadrant and was getting worried towards the end of the show because the 7 years was coming up but then Voyager got back and they went "Holy shit, that was close. I gotta go get some, like right now." XD
@@randomlyentertaining8287 Voyager arrives back in the Alpha Quadrant and their first request is for the fastest ship the fleet has. Why? They've got a Vulcan gripping onto his sanity through sheer willpower who needs to get to the Forge right the fuck now.
horrible character. The little scowl when she is told that the Doctor will only discuss the condition with the patient like "ugh whatever!" Bitch how would you feel if you were having your period or uncontrollable orgasms and The Doctor was telling Checotay, Harris, Kim and Sutor "B'lanna is having a hormonal imbalance."
For a long time I thought Ensign Vorik was the same Vulcan from the TNG episode "Lower Decks" (Ensign Taurik) and had transferred over from the Enterprise. They were both assigned to engineering, both played by the same actor, and both had similar sounding names. But obviously they're two completely different characters.
@@KEVMAN7987 Perhaps so. That makes sense. But of course it's not canon. I suspect in the real world that there was simply some kind of trivial legal or copyright reason why they had to rename Vorik as Taurik (just like they had to rename Nick Locarno as Tom Paris).
@@jacksonheathen2092 It's not canon, but it's one of those things that might as well be because enough of the fanbase has added it to their head-canon anyway.
@@KEVMAN7987 Perhaps Locarno & Paris should have been twin brothers too. They both had the same backstory about being great pilots who got kicked out of Starfleet for disciplinary reasons.
I have this idea for a Vulcan-Betazoid hybrid, and I've been wondering what it would be like if they went through the Pon-Farr🤔 My best guess is it would either have a much bigger effect since this person is half Betazoid or they would have a lot more self-control
Well... Vulcans suppress their emotions by choice. Their actual emotions are far more intense than those of humans. Vulcans and Betazoids are also both telepaths and both species have medical conditions where they start subconsciously broadcasting a heightened version of their emotions to people around them. So... A Betazoid/Vulcan hybrid going through the Pon Farr? Sounds like a recipy for 'The Naked Now 2: More Naked, more Now.' :P
I wish they had created a continuity by having the actor reprise the role of Ensign Taurik from the TNG episode Lower Decks. Same with Paris continuing as Cadet Locarno.
Yep. That would have made more sense. In fact for a while I mistakenly thought Vorik was Taurik from the Enterprise since they both worked in engineering, were both played by the same actor, and both names sounded almost the same.
@@jacksonheathen2092 For some reason Trek repeatedly drops the ball on this. They also did it with an actor playing a Benzite science officer. Rather than have him play the same character, they had him play a different Benzite science officer. Even the actor commented on how it didn't make sense to him.
@@josephmassaro I agree. Obviously Startrek recycled a lot of actors into different roles (like Jeffrey Combs). But in a situation like Locarno/Paris, they definitely should have had Robert McNeill continue as Locarno on Voyager instead of creating a virtually identical character and naming him Paris. Especially since they both had a similar backstory about being skilled pilots who were booted from Starfleet. It's also easy to imagine Locarno could have joined the Maquis like Paris.
@@jacksonheathen2092 With Tom Paris, the reason it was him was because of money. If they had used the TNG character, then they would have to be paying royalties to the writer, which they didn't want to do. In fact, T'Pol was not meant to be T'Pol, it was meant to be T'Pau. But for legal reasons, they decided that it wasn't feasible for T'Pol to be T'Pau. Probably $$$.
Star Fleet Custodial Services is usually attached to a ship's complement to clean up whatever biological mess is left on the holodeck after intensive uses.
Oh, my Vulcan friend, humans are like this *all the time* . Neelix handled multiple Klingons himself. Now, I gotta watch that episode Harry Kim got chased.
I am confused about Pon Farr. Here they say that it happens every seven years in adulthood; in Star Trek III, when Spock hits puberty, he experiences the Pon Farr. Saavik describes it as a burning of the blood. Or is what Spock was experiencing then something different?
In Star Trek III it was the Pon Farr. The thing is that they were on the Genesis Planet and Spock was connected to it because he was sent there at the end of Star Trek II. On that planet time was moving very fast and so was Spock's aging process.
yes your first pon farr is when you hit puberty, and then you abstain from sexual contact until your next pon farr which is 7 years. the cycle continues at the same interval until you and your mate are wed. odds are they eventually hit some form of vulcan menopause which makes the condition much more manageable and less life threatening than when it was during their more 'hot blooded' youth.
my favorite part is when the doctor talks about studying all the different mating habits of biological species. I imagined it like the scene in Ace Ventura 2 when he was "working on his mantra." knock knock knock "Go away, I'm researching!"
Cool episode, but I can't help but feel that a state of the art medical hologram would know the details of an apparently common mating urge in one of starfleet's core races.
This gets me to thinking, what age do Vulcans consider adult? Vorik here says that Vulcans undergo Pon Farr every 7 years of their adult lives, and while I can buy that Vorik is in his 20s, so a young adult by human standards, other Vulcans we see undergoing their first Pon Farr are not. In TOS, Spock is at least in his 30s, due to having been on the Enterprise 10 years previously in The Cage, and is probably nearer his 40s due to his high rank, and in ENT T'Pol is in her 60s before her first Pon Farr. Of course Spock is half-human, which may affect things slightly, but T'Pol is not, so does this mean that Vulcans are kids until they're 60?
Spock was 37 during his first pon farr (born 2230, "Amok Time" is 2267). Real life, of course, they hadn't thought out all the details of Spock's life when they wrote the episode. In universe, pon farr could be like human adolescence... there is a range of years in which a Vulcan can expect to start the cycle. Given the longer life span, that range could be reasonably longer than the range humans expect to start adolescence. Spock being half human could affect that, and perhaps Vulcan females experience it differently. Spock, after being reborn on Genesis, started the cycle in his (relative) late teens/early 20s. Genisis effect likely had some role in that. But that's the closest comparison... human adolescence. No one age in which it kicks in. Some start early, others are late bloomers. Of course, it's also just down to writing... some writers are better and more consistent than others.
"There's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's a normal biological function." ... a few moments later... "You have a severe imbalance in your brain chemistry. If it gets much worse it could become life threatening."
Both of those are appropriate responses. His tone changed BECAUSE of vorik's response notes that he is choosing to not get help about it. There's no easy way to tell someone they have a life-threatening condition
Why didn't he simply go home - on the holodeck. He could take a mate, do whatever Vulcans boys and girls do with each other, let his physiological/psychological dilemma run their courses, and then get back to work when done. Easy. Of course, that's wouldn't have made a good episode. Oh, well.
This episode was actually directed by Andrew Robinson - Garak!
Once again showing that he's not just a plain simple tailor :)
God damn good info.
Really? I didn't know that.
Vorik is a great character, they should have featured him more often.
I think he became chief engineer when they got back to the Alpha quadrant.
At least he shined at all. And when you rewatch prior episodes, you can see there was a buildup to Vorik’s Pon Farr
@@louisiananlord17 he did. There was a novel, I don’t remember the name of it, but I know that he became chief engineer. I also believe that his relationship between Lieutenant Torres is back to normal and their friendship was not affected. In the later novel, he did participated in a rescue mission for belanna and her daughter. If I am wrong, please correct me.
@GalaxyMagician I will dig deep into the Voyager lore and get back to you. Also, I wish we knew who that female Vulcan was who was a Maquis on board that was Chakotay's co-partner when Teero Anaydis tried to murder the crew and take over the ship on season 7.
Writers actually had to clarify on the 7 years thing, yes Vulcans go through Pon Farr every 7 years but they can have sexual relations anytime they wish.
a win is a win
...and prefer it with a Tenusian sun devil crab. Odd, but very, very true.
so Pon Farr basically turns Vulcans into Romulans every seven years.
Very very horny Romulans XD
"youll have to wear this loud beeping thing behind your ear at all times." lol
Now I’m just picturing him watching the Vulcan equivalent of Pon Farr porn. Two young Vulcan Starfleet cadets each taking two of their fingers and rubbing them against the other’s fingers all while maintaining the same stoic Vulcan expression.
It ended up to be way funnier than I expected it to be when I started reading. 😅
Dang that is way too hot for CZcams!
Porn farr
So basically being trapped in the Delta Quadrant is the Vulcan version of No Nut November.
Lmao I thought the same
No Nut Years
I like to imagine a Vulcan crew member had just gone through the Pon Far right before Voyager went to the Delta quadrant and was getting worried towards the end of the show because the 7 years was coming up but then Voyager got back and they went "Holy shit, that was close. I gotta go get some, like right now." XD
@@randomlyentertaining8287 Voyager arrives back in the Alpha Quadrant and their first request is for the fastest ship the fleet has. Why? They've got a Vulcan gripping onto his sanity through sheer willpower who needs to get to the Forge right the fuck now.
More like being in an extreme form of heat.
Good episode. One particular thing that I like about it is that this is one of the first episodes that shows Belanna's affection for Paris.
I am the only one to notice that Kes just straight up vanishes suddenly?
I think you hear the door sound twice so it seems like she quickly leaves right after Torres does. They probably had some time constraints there.
Probably didn’t want to be in the same room as Vorik…
She leaves after the Doctor says he needs to discuss the condition privately
Live long and pon farr........
Poor Vorik...
I knew him well
B'elanna was quite something in this episode.
horrible character. The little scowl when she is told that the Doctor will only discuss the condition with the patient like "ugh whatever!" Bitch how would you feel if you were having your period or uncontrollable orgasms and The Doctor was telling Checotay, Harris, Kim and Sutor "B'lanna is having a hormonal imbalance."
For a long time I thought Ensign Vorik was the same Vulcan from the TNG episode "Lower Decks" (Ensign Taurik) and had transferred over from the Enterprise.
They were both assigned to engineering, both played by the same actor, and both had similar sounding names. But obviously they're two completely different characters.
Extended lore states they are twin brothers.
Somewhere I read they were twin brothers, but I'm not sure that's cannon. It would explain some things though, like the similar interests.
@@KEVMAN7987 Perhaps so. That makes sense. But of course it's not canon. I suspect in the real world that there was simply some kind of trivial legal or copyright reason why they had to rename Vorik as Taurik (just like they had to rename Nick Locarno as Tom Paris).
@@jacksonheathen2092 It's not canon, but it's one of those things that might as well be because enough of the fanbase has added it to their head-canon anyway.
@@KEVMAN7987 Perhaps Locarno & Paris should have been twin brothers too. They both had the same backstory about being great pilots who got kicked out of Starfleet for disciplinary reasons.
Well we know how that goes in the episode, Thanks to Spock bring this area of Vulcan life to our knowledge.
0:55 he's such a grumpy little vulcan BJQVEBIFNEKDEN
I have this idea for a Vulcan-Betazoid hybrid, and I've been wondering what it would be like if they went through the Pon-Farr🤔
My best guess is it would either have a much bigger effect since this person is half Betazoid or they would have a lot more self-control
Well... Vulcans suppress their emotions by choice. Their actual emotions are far more intense than those of humans. Vulcans and Betazoids are also both telepaths and both species have medical conditions where they start subconsciously broadcasting a heightened version of their emotions to people around them.
So... A Betazoid/Vulcan hybrid going through the Pon Farr? Sounds like a recipy for 'The Naked Now 2: More Naked, more Now.' :P
@@RvEijndhoven The Naked Now 2: more Naked, More Now, More 2
Or if such a hybrid went through the Betazoid Phase or that other thing that Lwaxana went through on DS9, talk about hedonistic orgies.
Heh... "Meditations"
Crap that must mean every teenage boy is Vulcan lol
The Vulcan No Nut November.
The Doctor Reveals to Vorik that he's in another Writer's Fetish Episode
Hmmm a Vulcan in Pon Farr vs a Klingon woman. Should be a interesting time in the sack.
That's going to be a violent date.
so it is no difference then a human dating a Klingon right?
I wish they had created a continuity by having the actor reprise the role of Ensign Taurik from the TNG episode Lower Decks. Same with Paris continuing as Cadet Locarno.
Yep. That would have made more sense. In fact for a while I mistakenly thought Vorik was Taurik from the Enterprise since they both worked in engineering, were both played by the same actor, and both names sounded almost the same.
@@jacksonheathen2092 For some reason Trek repeatedly drops the ball on this. They also did it with an actor playing a Benzite science officer. Rather than have him play the same character, they had him play a different Benzite science officer. Even the actor commented on how it didn't make sense to him.
@@josephmassaro I agree. Obviously Startrek recycled a lot of actors into different roles (like Jeffrey Combs). But in a situation like Locarno/Paris, they definitely should have had Robert McNeill continue as Locarno on Voyager instead of creating a virtually identical character and naming him Paris. Especially since they both had a similar backstory about being skilled pilots who were booted from Starfleet. It's also easy to imagine Locarno could have joined the Maquis like Paris.
@@jacksonheathen2092 With Tom Paris, the reason it was him was because of money. If they had used the TNG character, then they would have to be paying royalties to the writer, which they didn't want to do.
In fact, T'Pol was not meant to be T'Pol, it was meant to be T'Pau. But for legal reasons, they decided that it wasn't feasible for T'Pol to be T'Pau. Probably $$$.
@@Locutus Well, that makes complete sense. In fact that's undoubtedly the only reason that makes any sense. 🖖
Vorik was so thirsty he got some on the holodeck and then wanted B'Leanna on the planet. Crazy, I wonder if the Romulans have this too.
Romulans don’t
They are 2 different species now.
@@summbuddie9120 It would be interesting to see if the Debrune have it or not as well.
@@dakkenblah1450 Duh, I know this.
He’s also on TNG Lower Deck Episode. Vulcan Ensign. 7th season so it’s after Voyager Pilot.
One of my favorite episodes
Star Fleet Custodial Services is usually attached to a ship's complement to clean up whatever biological mess is left on the holodeck after intensive uses.
Oh, my Vulcan friend, humans are like this *all the time* . Neelix handled multiple Klingons himself. Now, I gotta watch that episode Harry Kim got chased.
I am confused about Pon Farr. Here they say that it happens every seven years in adulthood; in Star Trek III, when Spock hits puberty, he experiences the Pon Farr. Saavik describes it as a burning of the blood. Or is what Spock was experiencing then something different?
In Star Trek III it was the Pon Farr. The thing is that they were on the Genesis Planet and Spock was connected to it because he was sent there at the end of Star Trek II. On that planet time was moving very fast and so was Spock's aging process.
What do you think happened on this planet to relieve Spock? 😆
@@sg39g Shame they cut the pregnancy from the beginning of The Voyage Home.
@@sg39g Let's just say, Saavik "relieved" young Spock of his, ahem, "duties"... :P
yes your first pon farr is when you hit puberty, and then you abstain from sexual contact until your next pon farr which is 7 years. the cycle continues at the same interval until you and your mate are wed. odds are they eventually hit some form of vulcan menopause which makes the condition much more manageable and less life threatening than when it was during their more 'hot blooded' youth.
All right.... I've had it.... This has Pon on Farr enough.....
my favorite part is when the doctor talks about studying all the different mating habits of biological species. I imagined it like the scene in Ace Ventura 2 when he was "working on his mantra."
knock knock knock
"Go away, I'm researching!"
Cool episode, but I can't help but feel that a state of the art medical hologram would know the details of an apparently common mating urge in one of starfleet's core races.
Meditative techniques. Said every teenager ever.
This gets me to thinking, what age do Vulcans consider adult? Vorik here says that Vulcans undergo Pon Farr every 7 years of their adult lives, and while I can buy that Vorik is in his 20s, so a young adult by human standards, other Vulcans we see undergoing their first Pon Farr are not. In TOS, Spock is at least in his 30s, due to having been on the Enterprise 10 years previously in The Cage, and is probably nearer his 40s due to his high rank, and in ENT T'Pol is in her 60s before her first Pon Farr. Of course Spock is half-human, which may affect things slightly, but T'Pol is not, so does this mean that Vulcans are kids until they're 60?
Spock was 37 during his first pon farr (born 2230, "Amok Time" is 2267). Real life, of course, they hadn't thought out all the details of Spock's life when they wrote the episode.
In universe, pon farr could be like human adolescence... there is a range of years in which a Vulcan can expect to start the cycle. Given the longer life span, that range could be reasonably longer than the range humans expect to start adolescence.
Spock being half human could affect that, and perhaps Vulcan females experience it differently.
Spock, after being reborn on Genesis, started the cycle in his (relative) late teens/early 20s. Genisis effect likely had some role in that.
But that's the closest comparison... human adolescence. No one age in which it kicks in. Some start early, others are late bloomers.
Of course, it's also just down to writing... some writers are better and more consistent than others.
"medical techniques" in the holodeck
I always had the impression his name was Vorak. Am I the only one? lol
Kudos to the Doctor who knew when to back off.
i really loved that this show had the guts to have multiple vulcans on the ship.
Why is Vorik embarrassed? He does know that he is speaking with a computer program, right?
Vulcans only pretend to operate by pure logic.
Good point. But a computer program that had difficulty keeping his holographic mouth shut.
@@jacksonheathen2092 Or Vorik already accepted the doctor as a person
It's a lot more difficult to treat him like a computer when he's indistinguishable for a normal human most of the time
"There's nothing to be embarrassed about. It's a normal biological function."
... a few moments later...
"You have a severe imbalance in your brain chemistry. If it gets much worse it could become life threatening."
Both of those are appropriate responses. His tone changed BECAUSE of vorik's response notes that he is choosing to not get help about it.
There's no easy way to tell someone they have a life-threatening condition
Ahh, Pon Far!!!
He'll just rely on his old pal Lefty.
Plot twist: The bride is Jamie Farr!
As if you couldn't treat Pon Farr with the Holodeck and some pheromones produced by a replicator..
The Vulcan ponn-farr is a complex condition that none of the Vulcans care to discuss in public, they make it a policy to keep it to themselves.
It would be cool to have the powers of a Vulcan
But what the go through when it comes to emotions must really suck donkey balls
If Vulcans have an irrisistible urge to return to the homeworld what do they do in the Kelvin timeline now that Nero destroyed Vulcan?
Apparently, the writers of that movie didn’t take that or much else into account.
The worst thing is being a Vulcan is being in love. Then you wonder how came up with get up with the t holograph
i usually pon farr once or twice a day.
that was me at 13 to 15ys old
he asks
he doesn't reveal
Well, I like Doctor's phrase: for an advanced species, your views on sexual practices are positively Victorian. He will say it to Tuvak later!!
I suppose I need to ask more, but why don't Romulans go through Pon Farr or an equivalent?
Because the romulans run on their own emotions that's why
how do vulcans deal with this condition?
"doin' the nasties"
First view, First like, First comment
Irrelevant! You are Borg.
Confirmed
Nobody cares
Why not just create Vulcan and a vulcan female on the holodeck?
Why didn't he simply go home - on the holodeck. He could take a mate, do whatever Vulcans boys and girls do with each other, let his physiological/psychological dilemma run their courses, and then get back to work when done. Easy.
Of course, that's wouldn't have made a good episode. Oh, well.
The Doctor tried that it didn't work
@@ff3player
Damn.
Can’t they just rub one out?
Surrendered techniques.... just gonna jack it for a month strait 🤣
Number of the episode please :)))))
Episode 16
Am I the only one to notice Vorik looking like Ben Shapiro?
Masturbations a rough thing in the future.
is Pon farr the same as puberty?
No, it's to Vulcans what the drive for Salmon to return to their birth stream is. Spock confirmed that "humans have no conception" of the Pon Farr.
The pon farr is the equivalent of the rutting period.