Bulging Disk? Herniated Disk? The BIG LIE you need to know.
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My dad was recommended to get back surgery. He went to several Dr's before deciding to get it done. While he was in the waiting room waiting to be called in for surgery, he saw so many people in pain and misery who already had back surgery, he began talking with them and he saw how miserable they were. He figured he didn't want to be like those people either, so he walked out of the Dr's office. He then happened upon a book about Yoga and began do it what the book described. He did yoga every single morning the rest of his life and even began jogging and eating healthy. He's now in his 80's and very healthy for his age. I can only imagine the lessor quality of life he'd have experienced throughout his life, if he'd had back surgery. Food for thought.
I can t do yoga because of that!!
Many are obese do to poor eating ,or very sedentary life style
congrats to your dad
Oh saved me.. Thanks dear friend 👌
Yoga and walking and bike riding have helped me. I had a hernia L5 s1. Chiropractor helped, physical therapy did nothing and epidurals and acupuncture made it worse.
I had several severe herniations with anullar tears in my mid 20's that was, at that time, EXCRUCIATING to deal with. I met with a good surgeon who looked at the MRI study and essentially said the exact same things these guys said (unfortunately the surgeon didn't have nice theme music like Bob and Brad). He really had a hard time correlating what he saw in the MRI to actual symptoms and pain I experienced. Essentially he seemed unsure where/what to repair, cut or move, without risk of making things worse. I'll never forget that he said he'd seen studies worse than mine where folks had nearly 0 discomfort and referred pain, and then he'd seen nearly perfect studies where folks were in unbearable agony. I turned away from surgery and used PT and smarter exercise habits, and many years later, the back pain has virtually disappeared, except in very rare instances.
Thanks for sharing. I just saw my mri and it’s like this with bumps into my spinal cord where the herniations are. My pain is mild but now I’m scared to death I’m going to become a paraplegic or something
This is so true!!!! ❤
@apri5436 That is very unlikely. I hope that eases your mind a bit. However, if you ever lose control of your bowels, get to a hospital immediately
Hello sir , how much time did it take you to recover from it And did herniation reoccurred in future and what age are you now??
When you said you used PT what is that mean i hope if you will see the message you can help me by answering that thankeo buddy
Just found out i have a bulging disc at 21 on my lower lumbar so now im here
Fucking same💀
Me too
How is it now
@@aniketsingh5570 idk tbh only way of seeing is doing an mri again but atleast i know what activities to avoid now
same 😕
I swear this channel is a ministry! God bless you guys. You are so sweet, optimistic, and helpful! I just found out this morning I have bulging discs. I was getting intense burning in my right leg and numbing toes. Whatever I have to do without surgery, I'll do. Thank God the doctor told me my case is not severe, will likely just require some physical therapy, and just recommended I see an orthopedic spine doctor. I'm grateful that the pain is really something that I experienced twice within the last two years. I don't know what "triggers" it.
How's you now?
I had a herniated disk at the age of 45. it pressed on my spinal cord, it bulged right into my spinal cord and I had pain down my left leg and buttocks for 10 months straight, 24 hours a day. I would cry every day.
My doctor told me I could either have surgery right away if I couldn’t stand the pain, or I could wait it out 6 months and see if retracted by itself. I waited 10 months and all of a sudden it was gone. I was told that if I waited past six months, it could cause permanent damage, But I waited 10 months anyway because I was scared of surgery. The disc retracted on its own and I no longer have had that problem. That was 20 years ago and I’m fine.
Just so it never happens again, I have limited myself to not running, jumping or even swimming( my back would arch and hurt my back )or anything else that could cause an impact on my spine.
did you try any exercises, stretches, lifestyle changes during that period
So you don’t don’t exercise at all?
I've been there....was suicidal for a while. Respect!
Were you able to walk?
I have had back pain before .. all the doctors I met, were ready with knives to get a surgery done on me.. but I kept their hands and knives away from my back .. after watching your video , I learn so much about it and feel so confident after knowing the true side of bad back .. excellent job .. I wish the entire world watch these humble and kind people , sharing so much of their knowledge and experience for people's betterment .. would love to watch more.. great job .. loads of love from India ..
Yo, did anything change with your back? If so how and what happened to bring the change?
And they do it for free!
me too! I was prepared for PLĐ treatment!
Nobody should have surgery on their back for just back pain. Surgery is for leg weakness from nerve root compression, or for symptomatic gross instability. Surgery is not for back pain.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. This is the doctors\surgeons approach. They are more than willing to perform surgery rather you need it or not.
I had a micro discectomy L5-S1. Previously 22 years of pain, Physical therapy, cortisone injections, spinal cord injections, chiropractic hocus pocus, traction, everything. Immediately after the surgery I had relief. I never have back pain. I follow the guidelines and do not do aggressive sports. My lifestyle is more like Tai Chi, swimming. Careful safe, excercise. Zero pain...four years now.. before I was bedridden for weeks sometimes with level 10 pain... wish I had surgery much earlier.
I have herniation same area, the pain is horrible. I have gone to chiro, had the injection and now doing physical therapy. I just don't know which way to turn.
@@tammywoolard6444 definitely get the surgery. They even have 3rd generation disc replacement with incredible results... you don't have to live life this anymore Tammy
I've been in pain 5 months I just got a mri and found out I have a L5 S1 disc bulge to the left been having back pain and exterior oblique pain on my left when I sit or drive this is a headache. Was yours a buldge or herniated disc? Where was your pain ? I'm in houston what city are u in (in case I want your surgeon)
@@freestylebully4849 herniated disc. My mistake was waiting too long. And I also wasn't covered before Obama care. I was in Chicago and had my surgery at Alexian Brothers in Elk Grove. I forgot the doctors name but you can find good ones in Texas. This surgery is super common. Choose a board certified surgeon that is also in a fellowship.
@@freestylebully4849 pain lower back and sciatica down both legs. I was bedridd6 for weeks sometimes. I played the physical therapy and injection games. Surgery is what works
Thank you for that video guys.
During my college days I suffered a ruptured disc at L4. I was treated in a Boston hospital by an orthopedic surgeon who specialized in treating athletes. He gave me three choices: surgery, chemo nucleolysis or bed rest. We decided to go with the bed rest. I was in the hospital for 13 weeks, each week he would check the healing process by lifting one of my legs while lying down and check pain level. Surprisingly each week I gained a little bit more flexion. After 13 weeks I was released with full mobility and the spinal disc healed itself. Since then I've continued in all various athletic activities hockey, soccer, lacrosse and have never had another episode. I've learned better body mechanics so that I don't repeat the injury. I think this is exactly what the author of that book was trying to communicate, surgery is not always necessary. I'm just one example of how my disk healed itself with simple bed rest.
My biggest challenge was patience, to see if anything was actually working. In my case it worked perfectly just as the author of that book indicated.
I had 2 bulging disc's and my legs collapsed. I was told that without surgery I'd never walk again. I did physical therapy and went to a Chiropractor. I'm walking without pain now. Praise God.
Did you take medication, if yes , how long it was? Could you please. tell me.
@@charlottehayward5943what PT did u do?
If that was the the only thing they did for you in the hospital why couldn’t you do bedrest at home? Something’s amiss.
@@charlottehayward5943 can tell tell how much time did it take?
I went to a pain management doctor because the nurse practitioner at the urgent care told me I came in way too often for sciatica, just to get shots and sleep it off and miss work over. She asked me to see a doctor about my back. I went to a pain management doctor. He let me know it was a herniated disc most likely but was pointless to get imaging done and not worth getting surgery for how infrequent the flare ups were. He gave me a prescription for an NSAID to use as needed and a referral to physical therapy. Once I learned how my back worked and how to maintain strength and how to move correctly, i have not had a SINGLE flair up of sciatica since. I had 3 flare ups a year since I was 16. Saw that doctor and went to physical therapy only about a half a dozen times at 30 years old, and haven’t had a flare up since and I am 36 years old now.
This is so much better than missing work and being zonked out on a couch on muscle relaxers and pain killers wasting a whole day to get over a flare up. Its better to just prevent them altogether
I got sad when they started without the intro song. Then i got happy when it played.
It was really funny after a long, painful day. 😂 😂 😂 😂
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@@worldthroughmyeyes8154 true true
i had a major herniated disc that impacted my spinal cord and caused my right leg to feel like it was on fire and being electrocuted while at the same time it felt like a knife was being wedged in my spine. it was the worst pain i have ever felt in my life, and i still have a bit of weakness and foot drop from it, even after surgery. back issues are no joke, and i hope all of you guys in pain in the comments find help. i know what youre going through.
You have drop foot after your back surgery? Has it been fixed? I just had surgery 3 months ago and have drop foot in my left leg. Hasn’t gotten better yet.
@@iMoses14 yes. It went away after a while but I had to work at it. Definitely didn’t happen quick though. Physical therapy helped me a lot. Hope you fell better soon
@@iMoses14when L4L5 disc is affected it causes pressure on nerve that causes foot to lift up. If it is damaged already foot would drop surgery or not.
you're the first person to describe leg pain like I have. I have a herniated disc pressing on nerves and for a month now my left thigh/knee area feel like a live electrical wire landed on them. half my leg feels numb, the other half feels like it's burned and nothing can make contact with it or it sends me through the roof with pain. I walk like I have a wooden leg.
@@PSNmemoryismisery sorry man. All I can say is if you get surgery make sure you stay on top of it. Microdiscectomy worked for me.
At 5:23 they get real, but they gloss over the pain. It’s a process that starts basically in your butt and feels like you pulled a muscle. It gradually over days or weeks moves down the back outer part of your thigh past your knee to your calf and finally your toes. It causes numbness in the toes and the pain in the leg is incredible and nonstop. Loratab gave me exactly 3 hrs of sleep at a time and I had to set my timer to take meds because if I waited too long I was curled up on all fours for a couple hours fidgeting and sweating while it kicked in. My two discs were fully sequestered. Not merely bulged. Steroid packs, and injections helped a little while it was still mildly herniated. PT and chiropractor didn’t help but the inversion table did help early on. Eventually They removed a piece of disc that had squirted out the size of my pinkie, that was pressed along my nerve column. The relief post op was immediate and life changing. I would be an addict and gone insane without micro discectomy surgery.
I absolutely see how it would be easy to become a drug addict. I haven’t had an MRI yet, but this sciatic nerve pain is unending and relentless! Flexeril and Celebrex haven’t brought relief I had hoped for. Im going to PT and the next step I guess is to justify having an MRI. I’ve never experienced anything like this and I hope once this is gone (if it’s ever gone) that I never have this again. It’s been five hellish weeks and counting.
I have an old injury to my low spine that was far worsened this January, I moved my mom back into her new home the old house burned down, I ended up getting and MRI. I had totally ruptured the disc at L5 S1 and slipped the disc at L4 L5, the report also mentioned osteophytes and facet wear, all I know is I was in extreme pain and it was never ending, they no longer give you any pain meds, they prescribed, Flexeril (muscle relaxer), Gabapentin (seizure meds), celebrex (Black box drug/can cause sudden death/anti-inflammatory) and of course Acetaminophen/Tylenol, the only thing these did for me was make me very lightheaded, dizzy and create brain fog, the pain was unrelenting for almost 4 months, I was at the point of thinking if this doesn't stop I don't want to live anymore, I tried everything, stretches, different exercises, which all seemed to make it worse, then I dropped the Celebrex and started taking 800 mgs of Aspirin 2x a day, I finally get to see a spinal surgeon almost 5 months later, this coming May, the pain and pins/needles weakness are still here but better since just taking Aspirin, not sure if surgery is the answer but I know this pain has to stop, it's insane they can prescribe drugs that are also addictive with much worse side effects that do nothing, are vicodin 5 mgs that bad? I know they aren't. I had to add, I also had an epidural steroid injection, with no help and oral steroids as well.
@@Calendar_Girl I do feel your pain and hope that you find relief, I am still trying as well.
@@mjc42701 What did you do then? You got any relief? Surgery?
10 days ago I could hardly walk. Really painful lower back pain. I happened on some of these kinds of videos, and began stretching every morning and night, along with a few other techniques. With that and also in process of dropping a few pounds, I have absolutely no pain today. Thanks so much to you guys for these videos, you have helped me immensely!
did u get MRI?
Its not entirely a lie, you wanna know if you have a back problem, try carrying a half a sack of sugar or wheat on your nape, you will feel where exactly the problem is, just because there is no pain, its alright, no, there is a spinal problem there is a cause and that cause does not always manifest as pain, there is a certain physical limitation where you will figure out unlike those who have normal spine, you don't discover that limitation because your everyday life does not require you to reveal that problem, try carrying something heavy, try lifting weights, try putting something heavy on your head, those limitations will reveal itself unlike those who are normal they won't feel any pain like you do
Good to hear aboutyour recovery. I've jad herniated disc for 3yrs now.less painful tough. Excercise really help. I go swimming regularly now.
Reduces tension and relaxes back muscles.
I've lost 2.5stones in weight and it has helped reduce pain. I really try hard not to lift anything though, but I still have to.
A year and half ago.I was bedridden for 3 months and could hardly walk. I had pain kllers. Physio helped a bit.
Hi what stretching did u do thankyou
You guys rule. You’re like Car Talk for physical therapy. This channel helped me rehab from tendonitis, and is now helping me a bulging disk. Thanks for doing your thing.. Keep it up.
Hah! Exactly! Click and clack, the spine guys.
I am having my 7th lumbar surgery on Feb. 17th. This is not something that I take lightly! I didn't just wake up this morning and decide I just wanted to have surgery again. The damage to my back started in the 80s and continues to this day. A lot of people say to me " your nuts I'll never have back surgery" or "they'll never cut on me", but let me tell you the truth of the matter ; when you hurt so bad that even your thought process is interrupted or you can't even get out of bed without help you will be grateful for that surgery! The one bit of advice I will share is to be sure and find the right surgeon. One that has a good success rate. If I had had Blake Pearson in the beginning maybe this wouldn't be number 7!!!
I agree 100%. If you are wondering if you need surgery, you probably don’t. When a disc ruptures into the nerves, your decision has been made for you.
Totally agree, I was dropped to the ground when my disc ruptured. Was diaphoretic, blood pressure went sky high. My husband called for an ambulance. Ended up having surgery and it is the biggest relief you will ever get. I had no choice in the matter. As you said, the choice was made for me.
I’m 40years old with bone spurs and L4L5 and L5S1 disc herniation. I did aggressive therapy for months with no relief. I’m one month out of surgery and it has changed my life! I can actually walk from the bedroom to the kitchen with no tears!
Any update post recovery?
I'm about to have fusion on s1/l5 due to weak leg and foot drop, impinge auxiliary nerves at that joint from Facet degeneration & disc is shredded. Hoping for a recovery like yours
@@adminadmin9997 very telling they didnt reply. They were only one month out of surgery and numbed out on pain killers still
Lmaooooooo
Bob & Brad will it ever go back in? Does a discectomy make it go back in?
I injured my back in 1993. I was 33 years old. Dr wanted to do surgery, second opinion was no surgery. I started stretching and had a series of epidurals. For the better part of 10 years I had pain, drop foot,and tingling in both trunks. I kept active and slowly I began to feel better.I still have symptoms but I feel 70% better than I was. I am now 60 years old still no surgery, still working on construction equipment. Every year we learn new ways to treat and strengthen. Surgery is an option only when I can't walk any more.
I’d like to know more!! I don’t want surgery…
@@zacharyb4097 me too
This is exactly what I’m experiencing but I’m 28. It hurts to walk lately every day. Not sure what to do
I have drop foot in both feet?
How u get rid of drop foot?
Im sorry but surgery probably would have given you years of no pain, you let fear keep you in pain
These guys are absolutely correct . What they failed to mention is the correction of low back pain by chiropractic manipulation of the vertebrae is often quick and relatively cheap. And furthermore what they failed to mention is the shrinking of the discs causes the facets on the top and bottoms of the vertebrae to hit the nerve root mimicking a bulging disc. Easily corrected by a good chiropractic adjustment.
Easily corrected. Two words morons love.
Bob & Bratt, just came here to say; you guys helped me prevent getting surgery! Already had surgery once in my 20s for herniated disc with a left leg barely functioning. 10 years later, it started again, and doctor confirmed it was another herniated disc. You guys put up a video on how to fix it on your own with exercises. It was another video u did. Within no time the herniated disc was GONE. Thanks for spreading these medical truths. Keep it up. Bless.
i hope that will help to me brother thanks for telling your story i hope you are better now. im only 19 and have big herniated disc as an athlete, i can even sit to eat bcs of the pain and barely put on shoes and socks but i will watch and do what the video says that you said it helped you. Also this channel helped to me heal my teared chest(not teared from bone) by their massage technique that i learned from one of their videos so im motivated from recovering this one. Thanks
I´m an orthopaedic surgeon, dedicated exclusively to spine surgery. What these two gentlemen say is absolutely true. It will take some time but the concepts shown in this video will be the state-of-the art. Congratulations
It was my understanding that newer research shows that the pain is largely due to inflammation on a damaged disk, not the disk touching the nerve itself. So that's one reason back surgery doesn't always work.
@@inquisitor4635 My bet is that you are not a doctor.
My last MRI was in 2019 about 4/5 months after a bad relapse of a disc problem on a single level. At the time of the relapse I couldn't walk, but at the time of the scan and results I had no pain. The scan still showed a moderate herniation with some pressure on nerves.
A disc bulge or herniation is likely to cause pain at some point, but it's mere existence is not a straight line to the presence of pain.
I’m 28, I’ve been having a few spinal problems due to such a physically demanding job, I’m going in for my first disc surgery (1 of 3) on 1st October, having my L5-S1 replaced as it’s prolapsed and I’ve been living with severe chronic sciatica down my right leg for almost 3 years causing numbness, weakness, foot drop and I fall occasionally, and just recently I’ve now developed sciatica in my left leg too. I’ve tried everything and nothing has worked, chiropractors and physio made it all worse, and no amount of pain medication helps even in the slightest! I’ve been off work for so long now it caused me so much stress, depression and now I’m constantly fighting with my own mind after a failed suicide attempt.
I really hope this surgery helps! 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
My story is much like yours. I could not convince any doctor how much pain I was in. I was on the verge of suicide when I finally found someone who believed me and agreed to do an MRI which showed three herniated disc, L5-S1 was cracked open. I had minimal invasive surgery six years ago and have had NO back pain since. The most important thing I can suggest is to give yourself time to heal because you only get one chance to heal up right. I did almost nothing for the first 3 days after surgery, taking anti-inflammatory and Tramadol, then went for short walks, gradually building up strength for about 6 weeks. I sincerely hope your surgery was a success.
@@pamflowers8364 oh that’s brilliant news and such a comfort, knowing that you can relate and have gone through the same thing with such great results!
I’m so glad you managed to get it sorted and have no pain left! That’s great!
And thank you, the surgery went well although my back is still very sore from it (mainly the surgical clips) but the sciatica has more or less gone 🙌🏼 I get the odd twinge but I feel that’s more me when I move around too much, they’ve already warned me not to do things too early. I’m finding it hard to walk but it’s still early days 🙌🏼😊
@@tdk9476 Hi! Thank you for sharing your story. So grateful you chose life. I do believe that no matter what, we are here to stick it out as there is something to be learned from the full experience. Glad you are feeling better after surgery! That being said Ive had had back issues for a long time that were manageable until a recent, very stupid and hard fall. I'm unable to participate with my family or play with my son and have found my self crying alone at night. I'm waiting in pain to see a doctor, but with good old American healthcare, I have to wait it out for the referral and initial consultation before I can get any scans done. Just saying, I feel for you! Take good care. Happy Holidays. May your life be long and fulfilling.
Update me please!! Wishing u the best!!!! What surgery did you have?
Very sorry to hear that. I had what I thought was left leg pain at first. Did PT for months - didn't help. Was also on special pain killers as well. Conditions degraded despite meds and PT. Has constant sciatica pain on left leg. Did MRI and revealed 2 bulged disks, with L4-L5 pressing on the nerve root. Was planning to get shots to the back as a next step. But my condition degraded faster than my treatment plan. One day, I was in so much pain and could not sit, stand or walk - basically I can only lay belly down with legs up with the least amount of pain, I was admitted to the hospital. After a day of heavy pain killers and also steroids with little help, decided to do back surgery (diskectomy, lumbar laminectomy L4-L5) on the 2nd day in the hospital. The surgery was done on the 3rd day and I was discharged on the 4th day. Now, I am on my 5th week of recovery and the surgery was a success! Yes, there are some numbness in left foot, which I felt pre-op. And at times the sciatica nerve may have some "phantom sensation". My foot at times feels pain as well. But considering, I am MUCH better than pre-op. I got my life back! Very thankful for the surgery. One does need to take great care right after surgery though. Will have my follow up in less than 2 weeks (form this post) and hope I will be clear for work! Hopefully, you'll consider surgery. And my friend - death does not solve anything. I can relate because of the pain I was in. I have family (wife and kids) and obviously I did not considered that. I am sure there is someone you love/care a lot about and you should live for them. Good Luck!
20 years ago I started having radiculopathy down my left arm. it felt like ants crawling on me, electric shock, muscle spasms etcetera. The doctors did a lot of shall we say passive treatment before they finally had me go in for the MRI. Before that I went to a chiropractor. The chiropractor x-rayed me , didn't see anything and then proceeded to manipulate my spine by pushing down mid back and then up toward my neck, hard! which in effect pushed all of the already herniated disc material ( which by the way is akin to crab meat, not liquid) out of the disc and further into my spinal cord. The pain, which had already been excruciating, was unbearable.. By the time I had the MRI there was a dent in my spinal cord so the material was not only just compressing an ancillary nerve but the entire spinal cord at that level (C4/C5). I had the discectomy and fusion, after which the pain was gone immediately. I did have a recurrence of pain probably from one of the adjoining structures which had weakened from from the discectomy and fusion, but I had a nerve block to that level and I have not had an issue since. I'm now 61 years old. Neck is ok. Not perfect. Will never be, but pain free. However, because of age related degeneration, I'm having low back pain and sciatica down the left leg, which pain indicates a likely L4 L5 herniation or bulge. I won't be going to any chiropractors, though.
Hi I’m 26 suffering from raficulopathy into head and left arm and shoulder and my neck is painting a lot and it’s been from 4 months not going at all .
I’m currently doing physio sessions
Could you please suggest me which is the best treatment for this
No chiropractors, a very wise choice. That is exactly how I got my degenerative disc in my neck. Massages, yes! Chiropractors, NO :)
10 years with herniated l5-s1. Without drugs I felt better 3 days after surgery than I did walking into the hospital. Best day of my life. They cut me open and it came out like cheesewiz. Presurgery I was told the pain was all mental.
How could they tell you your pain was mental and still want to operate?
@@susanfudge1737 I think that it is part of the process. Many people have herniations without pain and many have herniations that can be desensitized with physical therapy. I feel Dr's do this to limit malpractice regardless of what they actually think.
I've been in pain 5 months when I sit on the left side of my back not sciatica from my legs. I found out I have a l5 s1 disc bulge to the left. I dont hurt when I walk or stand. Who did your surgery? What city and state are u in? I'm in Houston. Did you have a disc buldge or disc herniation?
@@freestylebully4849 I believe it was herniated. I had similar symptoms. My Dr. was Dr. Jamie L Baisden, MD. out of Froedert/ Medical College of Wisconsin. She is a great surgeon don't get me wrong but you will be fine with someone with the same with the same credentials. You need to seek out a neurosurgeon and nothing less.
@@freestylebully4849 Yeah, I had the same symptoms. I had a dime size spot left of center that always hurt like a broom handle pushing on my back and I had what I called the pork chop of pain on my left side because that was the shape of the pain that went into my upper butt cheek. I had a little sciatica on the outside of my left calf but it was the back pain that kept me down. It's still early in the year, find your surgeon and start the process to recovery.
I have a ruptured disk L4-L5 from a weight lifting accident when I was 19yo. Pain was pretty extreme. I discovered that the pain is caused by inflammation push against the nerves, bad enough to drop me t my knees. I discovered this because I took an anti inflammatory horse pill that a friend of mine had due to kidney stones, and my pain lessoned considerably. What I did from that point is lift weights, just nothing to do with my back or spine. Working my legs, arms, chest etc. so I did not put strain on that part of my body. When lifting weights your body releases a natural anti inflammatory and by working out other parts of my body it cleared the pain from my back. Now just working out like that, and sleeping with a thick pillow between my legs to keep my spine aligned, is all I need. I knew at the time that getting a spinal fusion was not going to solve the issue and figured it out on my own.
This video is 5 years old? It still helped me.. Thank you guys!
I tried everything first. Put up with chronic pain for 8 years. Became addicted to pain killers, quit my job, put unnecessary stress on my family and marriage. Had the surgery. Never been better! Never looked back!
I'm happy to hear you are doing well.. I'm getting ready for surgery my self.. You can only put a bandaid on for so long..
Never looked... BACK 😆
Wow. I'm so afraid of having surgery but this pain kills me sometime. Glad to hear it worked out for you
Look at video again and look at the comments for your solution...
V.Cookie Fuentes surgery is the last resort. You’re cutting into a bunch of healthy tissue to do the surgery that’ll develop into scar tissue over time. Sometimes you need it but def last resort. Plus the longer you put it off, the better a chance something more cutting edge will come out in the future that’s better than what we have today.
Good advice, and I’m glad you acknowledged the need for surgery if you can’t feel your entire leg down to the toes. I’m definitely having surgery! Minimally invasive. Hoping for the best.
how did surgery go for you?
How did your surgery go? Hope all is well!
How did it go? I'm scheduled for minimally invasive surgery but I have a month to wait and I could change my mind. My left leg is numb and weak. My back hurts all the time.
Napolean Bone-apart....hahaha. Too great. Thanks for explaining things so simply. Your videos are always so informative.
Best PT videos on CZcams! Thanks sooo much!🙏👍❣️😊
After dealing with lots of pain in my left glute and lower back, I finally got an X-ray and physical therapy. Doctors office said it was degenerative changes and therapist guesses it’s a disc. These physical therapists are life savers. They’ve given me a whole arsenal of useful exercises just for my problem. I never knew having this problem weakens the muscles!! I’m building muscles and getting better each day. I’ll never do surgery unless absolutely needed. I saw my mom get so many surgeries on her back growing up and I watched her get worse and worse but she doesn’t exercise which is a huge problem.
Hello Christine, how is it going?
I also get weaker right leg muscle now and then but my exercises can't build my loss muscle now so can you help me which exercises you do? I am thinking I got L4, L5 and S1 from deadlifts.
Not exercising was likely her primary problem. How can a spine support full body weight with minimal, weakened musclature.
I'm 57 years old. I was in major pain for over a year with no relief in sight. It was compressing the nerve canal. My surgeon gave me my life back. I have no regrets from the surgery.
I'm 68, with a herniated disc L5, S1 nerve. It's pushing on the nerve so bad, I can't walk through a store, stand up for even a minute.. The pain goes all the way down my leg. I'm having a steroid injection done, but that won't solve the problem. At my age, physical therapy will wipe me out. I've been laid out for years, unable to do much, so a sedentary lifestyle with physical therapy.. I don't know. I'm just in so much pain, I can't do anything. Over the last 3 months, the pain has gone down from a 10 to a 7-8. I guess that's progress..
I hate being sidelined. I haven't been able to plant a garden at all..
Sorry for complaining.. Maybe it's more like commiserating.. :/
@@cookiemama4 I know how you feel. My life was exactly the same as yours. Two steroid injections gave me no relief. It gets depressing over time, it's not something you learn to live with because the pain is too much. Hope you get well soon
@@PJHEATERMAN
Thank you! I'll try one steroid injection, then go to the surgery. There's no reason for anyone to go through this. 😫
@@cookiemama4 hey I have the same problem as u L5 s1 disc bulge. My back hurt bad when I sit. 5 months of pain 😥 did u get surgery? Or get better without surgery?
@@freestylebully4849
It's been over a year now. They did not do surgery. I'm scheduled for an epidural soon. They want to do a 4 part medial branch block, which I'm wary of..
Look online for exercises to do. I'll be going to physical therapy after the epidural.
Back pain is... painful!
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Thank you so much for clearly demonstrating what bulging and herniated discs look like and also what happens to the disc when bending forward! I hadn't understood before why the forward bend was so bad for the back! I have been suffering with sciatica for 8 months now which my doctor has put down to a possible herniated disc. I am hoping that physio will help - visits to a chiropractor didn't. I certainly don't want to go down the surgery route!
Interesting, I find the forward bend actually receives my back pain and sciatic pain!
Hope you are better
Awesome information. Thanks so much. I was just an emergency and it showed I had a bulging disc so I’m hoping I can get this taken care of in time with physical therapy and care.
This is absolutely amazing! Thank you, Doctors, for your explanation
You two guys are a prime example of reality to what happens to us when we come to you for help. You turn things around and try to make us believe that we’re all crazy and that what we’re experiencing is not real. It’s bad enough that you try and hide the pain from those around you because you know the repercussions that follow. The snickering and gossip behind your back is very real. You are viewed as weak and a liability. I find the only people that can relate with you are the ones experiencing what you are. It’s pretty frustrating, but don’t give up. There are still some good doctors out there. You just have to find them.
This is so true... they make you think it's in your head, even refer you to Psy and increase your painkillers, they make you feel little.
I love you guys! I'd like to add... I'm 1 month post op of ACDF and Dural tear repair. During the surgery they found a Dural tear under the herniated disc because the herniated was so old and massive. The Dural tear causes more pain than the herniated discs. I'm so very glad I got the surgery because I feel so much better. I've been told "everyone has a a bulging or herniated disc but they don't feel pain so you shouldn't either". So I took the pain for 10 years and stopped complaining. I have a new doctor, went to him for shoulder pain and he knew it was from my neck... Within 1 week I was at the neurosurgeon's office and a 2 weeks after that I had surgery. My neck was so bad.
Again, I love you guys, but this type of thought can be damaging to the patient.
Totally agree with you!!!
My L5/S1 disc is gone and the Facets are compressing branch nerves exiting that spot. Muscle weakness & footdrop on the Left leg, started 6 mo ago with sharp stabbing pains in my L hip. No spinal cord compression & very little static pain in the back but highly restricted flexibility. Simultaneously got a DVT in left leg, undiagnosed for 5 mo. Swelled up like crazy, big pain but it's finally clearing. Surgery in 10 days. Scared but hopeful I'll walk normally again.
@@barneyrubble4827 what happened how are you now?
Thanks you for sharing this information. Great description of the research 💪!
I thank you for this. I have a 12 mm disc herniation at L5-S1 but knowing what i know i will not get surgery. This just continues to encourage me
How are you now bro?
Nice video, I'm in the process of healing from a pinched nerve in my shoulder due to heavy standing cable pullover exercises. I felt something pull in my rhomboid area, then came the numbness down the arm and into my fingers. Its been my understanding that a disc can heal on its own with rest, so I stay hydrated and backed off the exercises to which I'm starting to feel relieved after 4 weeks. It's also my understanding that drinking plenty of water helps to keep the discs plump so they won't shrink with age.
I had a herniated L5 and a bulging disc L4 that I lived with for many years with severe sciatic pain (couldn't stand or walk for more than 5mins before I needed to sit). After Physical Therapists, needles in the spine, inversion tables and getting addicted to Vicodin I finally had surgery, was home the same day and pain free since. That I waited so long and lived with that pain for so long was criminal when the fix was so easier.
what kind of surgery?
wow,,,was the recovery hard? was it invasive? so glad that you are better
Had similar experience. Copied most of the text from another "thread" ... I had what I thought was left leg pain at first. Did PT for months - didn't help. Was also on special pain killers as well. Conditions degraded despite meds and PT. Has constant sciatica pain on left leg. Did MRI and revealed 2 bulged disks, with L4-L5 pressing on the nerve root. Was planning to get shots to the back as a next step. But my condition degraded faster than my treatment plan. One day, I was in so much pain and could not sit, stand or walk - basically I can only lay belly down with legs up with the least amount of pain, I was admitted to the hospital. After a day of heavy pain killers and also steroids with little help, decided to do back surgery (diskectomy, lumbar laminectomy L4-L5) on the 2nd day in the hospital. The surgery was done on the 3rd day and I was discharged on the 4th day. Now, I am on my 5th week of recovery and the surgery was a success! Yes, there are some numbness in left foot, which I felt pre-op. And at times the sciatica nerve may have some "phantom sensation". My foot at times feels pain as well. But considering, I am MUCH better than pre-op. I got my life back! Very thankful for the surgery. One does need to take great care right after surgery though. Will have my follow up in less than 2 weeks (form this post) and hope I will be clear for work!
I know, it's stupid insurance, they won't let anyone to have MRI before at least 6 to 8 weeks of PT! And I swear the PT folks were guessing and not knowing what they are going. It's criminal to have people suffer through this.
Thank you for this video. Very interesting. I have a couple of bulging discs, and I am 70 and just started having pain. I exercise and walk. It helps me a lot.
I am 18 years old and have a disc protrusion, as well as a bulging disc in my lumbar spine. This was very helpful, thanks!
How are you now ?
i am 17
I'm glad I saw this video. I just got an MRI and was told I have protruding disks in L1,L2 and Sacrum. I was offered Surgery or Pain Management. I opted for the Pain Management. I am also scheduled for Phy. Therapy tomorrow. My last Dr. thought it was Sciatica which makes good sense. It gets so bad that I sometimes can't walk, at all. I'm 69 and they told me it's a natural part of aging. I was hoping you would show some method of fixing it or at least to manage it. Do you have a video on that aspect?
Howdy William, any status on how your back/leg is doing? :)
Hope your feeling a lot better after a year.
Slip disc breaks all my dream and wishes ,,i have suffered since 1 year 😢😢😢😢😢
What about now ?
Check Mckenzie technic
Master hippocrates herbalist, from athens..... ginger tea, lemon, and honey...... lack of mjnerals.
me too brother me too
It gets better bro, do hip thrusts
I just love the both of you 😀thank you for your expertise knowledge and help in this painful situation most of us are in
Thank you sir bob and sir brad .. ..i was experiecinv this condition...and told for a surgery...thanks to you guys i better off and start your physical therapy directions
Yes i had foot drop, terrible nerve pain for 2 years. Currently in recovery after surgery, most of the pain is gone, i can finally walk without a limp, recovery is happening faster than expected and it wasn't a very invasive procedure. Did physical therapy 3 times a week for a year and a half and it changed nothing so there are cases where you should consider surgery. Friend of mine had same procedure, he is now a state trooper who rides horse back so it couldn't have been a bad choice if he can ride a horse without pain!
Hi Justin. Glad to know that you recovered fully. I m facing the same issue n dr is recommending surgery. Can you tell me what was the issue with your disc and if you faced any problems after surgery
Glad to hear about your friend riding his horse! I'm hoping same will happen for me.
How did u get rid your foot drop ?
U should try stem cell therapy from bone marrow
I'm so glad you published this. I have this discussion in my office over and over, and with primary care doctors. Bulging discs are NOT abnormal, and by themselves do not require surgery. The only things we fix surgically are leg pain or weakness from nerve or spinal cord compression, and movement exacerbated back pain from instability, and that is ONLY if it doesn't get better after exhausting all non-surgical options. Everything else on the MRI is irrelevant. Your description is spot on, and your explanation of when surgery becomes necessary is perfect. Foot drop and incontinence should prompt an MRI and a surgical evaluation right away. Otherwise, give it a few months and try your non-surgical options before going to a surgeon.
How I wish what you are all saying is true... suffered from PID discs since 14 years now, done key holes operation on L5/S1 disc in the 2nd year, cut opened to remove scar tissus 3 years after. A complete and healthy disc is now found at L5/S1 in latest MRI 2022. But more damaged discs are found in the neck and lumbar due to pain since Dec 2019 then come covid and no operation done yet, now got severe canal stenosis at L2/L3, L3/4 and still on waiting list at the hospital for decompression... I dont lnow if this operation will help but i would prefer to do it and get better like the one i did before than living with the horrible pain in my neck going down both shoulders and arms up to the finger tips and with the Lumbar discs, the pain is as excruciating as it is in my neck with deterioration of my health, Indigestion, Reflux, Diaphragm cramps, hiccups, heartburn, insomnia, dreading to eat or sleep, angry, frustrated, change of personality, depressed, sudden horrible pain and needles any where on my body at any time. Am under maximum intake of very strong pain killers and many more other meds to take everyday and I still can feel the pain, patiently awaiting for the hospital to call me in, its deteriorating every single day, has now developed a heart problem since March'22, feel so depressed that sometimes I just want to swallow all the meds in one go...
So I think you both don't have a clue what you are talking about because maybe you haven't yet experimenting a back pain🤐😲🤐
@@clarellesaintas-adams7038 Maybe watch the video again, and read my comment again. None of us say that discs NEVER cause pain or EVER require surgery. We all said that the bulging disc alone without any nerve compression or instability often does not cause any symptoms. The physical therapists in the video, and I in my comment, discuss the reasons a "bulging disc" may require surgery, and they correctly point out a large portion of people have a "bulging disc" on MRI without any symptoms, and don't require surgery. Not knowing your history, I'm guessing you had one of those reasons for surgery that we discussed, in addition to the bulging disc. Just like now, your surgery will be to treat cauda equina compression from the severe stenosis. Whether that's caused by facet hypertrophy, or ligament hypertrophy, or a bulging disc is irrelevant. The surgery is for cauda equina compression. THAT's the reason for surgery. If you happen to also have bulging disc at that same level, then okay. Even if the bulging disc is causing the cauda equina compression, then okay. But it is the cauda equina compression that is the problem that justifies the surgery, not the bulging disco stenosis. If the bulging disc wasn't causing nerve compression, then the bulging disc alone would not justify a surgery. I'd caution you about assuming things about people you don't know. You think I don't have a clue about what I'm talking about, but I personally have had 2 surgeries on my neck for paralysis (different discs, unrelated surgeries), and I have multiple "bulging discs" in my own back that so far have not caused anything that would require any surgery. I am a board certified neurosurgeon that has done thousands of lumbar and cervical discectomies and fusions, and spared tens of thousands of patients from operations they did not need over the last 20 years. You will walk much better after your cauda equina is decompressed, just make sure you don't let anyone do a laminectomy for that. The literature is very clear that the chance of developing back pain from instability leading to a fusion in the future is much higher after laminectomy than after the same decompression through a minimally invasive hemilaminotomy.
The ending “or we’ll come out and slap ya” 😂😂 sent me into orbit. Great video thank you so much. Nice to hear surgery isn’t the only option. Came to this video after doing a yoga video for bulging disc. Thanks guys very helpful
New information for me. I recently got over what may have been a lumbar disc problem, and I was on a stroller for over a week. Since then I've climbed ladders, run a jack hammer, walked a lot and I'm feeling better. I am 60 and realize I should not over exert my back.
Thank you , i had a herniated disk and followed your advice. After 4 weeks I was back to normal .
how are you now
I take their point and by 5:30 they finally get to explaining when you should have surgery but I fought this sort of rationalization for 7 years while in extreme debilitating pain. With the latest in minimally invasive orthoscopic, laser and now even Ozone/Oxygen discectomies, doctors should no longer wait once this is causing pain. Waiting causes lost time to pain and suffering, other health problems due to being immobile and in pain and permanent damage to nerves.
To be accurate, you need to specify what time frame you are taking about. Waiting a year is unreasonable. Not waiting a few weeks is also unreasonable. If you are the person that has a persistent CSF leak or gets discitis or becomes unstable after a surgery you didn't really need, you will regret not waiting. Sure, those are rare, but they do happen. Pain is a terrible reason to have surgery. Weakness and immobility or incontinence are indeed good reasons to move on to surgery.
Which form of surgery did u end up having
Love you Guys and your content. Always a pleasure❤️❤️👏👏
This is very very helpful, thank both of you so much👍👍👍
Hi! I like your advice! Thanks I have to ask about Central herniated disc, is there possible treatment?
I’m a Disabled Veteran. Due to a military injury, I had a two-level artificial cervical disk replacement 4 years ago. This video came out 1 year before.
After a long recovery and lots of PT, and discipline, I feel much better than I did before the surgery on most days.
I want you to know that I sincerely thank you for your service sir!!!
Prayers for your health to improve and your heart to strengthen. 🙏🇺🇸
Thank you for your service.im glad you feel better. You are a hero and most of all I'm glad you made it back and still with us.God bless you and all those connected to you.
Sharing my experience to help others:
I suffered from L4-L5 disc prolapse (herniated disc, slip disc) due to lifting heavy weights in the gym. I had constant pain running down my legs, wasn’t even able to sit or walk. It was the worst phase of my life, I was on bed for 4 months completely. Almost 1 year since the injury, I am now able to go out regularly, walk as much I want, only thing that I’m avoiding is running.
Doctors gave me muscle relaxants, pain killers which didn’t help. When the effect of pain killers subsided, I felt increase in pain as pain killers increase your sensitivity towards pain. Doctors also recommended for surgery. Many of my family friends, some of which are doctors themselves suggested me to avoid allopathic treatments and surgery; as even after surgery patients report issues and one of my friends had to go for another surgery after 10 years.
Being 28 years old, friends and family recommended to take rest and let it heal on its own. As it’s even scientifically proven that the disc heals on its own through disc regeneration. Here’s what really helped me:
* Homeopathic medicines: Colocynthis, Avena Sativa, Hymusa Syrup, Rhus Tox, Kali Carb (The first day I took these medicines, I instantly felt the reduction in pain and better mood and sleep. Believe me this reduction in pain was not like that of painkillers. Homeopathic medicines push/trigger your body to heal the injuries on its own)
* Maharasnadi Kashayam/Kadha: Ayurvedic medicine to help with joint issues
* Avoid sugar, alcohol, processed foods (like bread etc., anything made in a factory)
* Spinach (On the days I had spinach, I could clearly feel more reduction in pain the next day. Spinach has a lot of vitamins and minerals, that would have helped the recovery. I tried taking vitamin/mineral supplements as well, but those didn’t have the same effect. Spinach has many compounds other than the commonly known vitamins/minerals like kaempferol. etc. )
* Pomegranate
* Yoga poses or Physiotherapy with backward bending motion (Initially I was only able to do poses like raising my head up while lying on my stomach, increasing the curvature slowly, later kept doing the cat-cow pose)
Have you been able to regain flexion (forward bend)?
@@jasonbot yes, it has gotten better. But I try not to bend forward, instead I just sit by bending my knees and get the things done.
Yoga definitely improves the flexibility, I will do that once I'm able to run fine. Bending forward is the last thing that I'll improve on.
Thanks so much Gaurav!! Maybe my son can try this!!😊. Sejal
@@GauravKushwaha999hey can I know more about your injury.
Nd how's you feeling now?
You to therapists are a godsent
Beautiful content substance wise if you guys could get the audio on point it would make your guys's content a lot more enjoyable and aesthetically pleasing to the ear thank you guys for all your hard work
I got first compression @ my 26 hospitalized 2 week immense pain, then took best rest for 6 month , there was no pain but right fingure tip numbness ,
After 11 years got the 2 nd one , MRI confirms herniated disc ,
Painful then the last & recommend for surgery , I was ready for pain but surgery ,
First immense pain all over hip
The decreased hip& came to butt
Then decreased butt& came to hamstring
Then decreased hams & now at heel ...
Am sure will go off soon ....
Read lot & watch these guys - feel confident ...
Identify in time if it needs surgery ...
But. Most of them need will power alone ...
Forgot to say , I got last national medal in bodybuilding 2 years later my first disc herniation ...
So it tells me that i might have got disc buldges from weight lifting too?
Wow
I have an L5-S1 protrusion. If I'm not extremely careful, I'm back to misery town. These guys act like it's no big deal.
Pdwlx4 Right? It’s hell.
Pdwlx4 same thing here
Pdwlx4 same ..I just start to take treatment
I have the same, was told to quit lifting weights and quit working, but couldn't get disability and got tired of fighting after 6 years. Turns out I had upper and lower cross syndrome. I saw on a forum someone saying that the Dr. told them to quit working out and they ignored them and it made their pain go away. Well, I can now second that. The back problems will still be there, but having the muscles better support the frame instead of the bone taking all of the work definitely reduces the pain. I have 3 herniated disks, L-3-5 and into S1, and narrowing disks in my neck, but I'm able to deadlift 400 pounds in the gym again. Not saying everyone should do this, situations definitely differ, BUT, don't only rely on what Dr's tell you as that may actually hold you back. Dr's want customers, not necessarily cures. We have to be as knowledgeable as possible ourselves to be of greatest help and future potential. Since I've started learning what it takes to be healthy and independent, I realize the worst thing I've ever done was to take a Dr's word as 100% and never reading up on it myself. Understanding =empowerment. A lot of back pain isn't in the defects themselves, but in lower cross syndrome. That's mostly from excessive sitting. The Quads and hip flexors tighten and shorten, and the hamstrings, calves and glutes all lengthen and weaken. This tilts the pelvis forward and strains the SI joint area. Reversing this by strengthening the hamstrings, calves, glutes and spinal erectors has reduced my back pain significantly.
Eclipse KCB u were jobless for 6 years? Lord
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These guys are awesome. Keep up the great work :)
Friends don't let friends get fusion's.
Bob and Brad are passionate about learning as well as teaching.
What about Ford Fusions? Bad joke. Bad joke. 😜
@@christytdale8225 omg hahhahaaha that is to funny because I actually own a ford fusion but not a spinal fusion
@@amycuaresma Hilarious!
Sometimes fusions are necessary. I was almost paralyzed and needed an emergency fusion. This was before artificial discs
First time I have disagreed with these guys. I had a blown out disc that had released material against my spinal cord. I had significant pain, but over time my body "re-absorbed" the gel like material that was pressing on my spinal cord. I don't know enough to say that will be the case with any particular person, but my disc pain ended when my body disposed of the material. I'm not saying nobody should get surgery, but that even disc core material pressing on the spinal cord may not be the crisis it can sound like. I was lucky enough to have doctors who counselled waiting to see how I healed. They were right.
I can so relate to you.. I had disc bulge in l5/s1 which pinched the sciatic nerve and I had extreme pain in my left leg, along with tingling and weakness. I went to the doc and he immediately told me to get an MRI and seeing the results told me to get surgery as I had weakness. I told him I have pain but I can still walk with a limp, he insisted on surgery and made me so fearful saying surgery is important in your case. I was depressed listening to him but I was super unwilling to go under the knife unless my symptoms deteriorated. I followed the conservative method of anti inflammatories for 3 weeks, walking 1 hour a day with rest every 10 mins and after a month my pain and symptoms came to a 2 from 9 .. so I would say even if you have a pressed nerve due to a disc bulge or herniation, don’t go for surgery until your symptoms are severe as in you’re unable to walk at all, there is footdrop or you have bowel or bladder issues(which is an emergency btw). Hold on, stay strong, your body heals, give it sometime and be positive no matter what! Bless ya! ❤️
Explaining is very gorgeous to people eyes.
THANKYOU guys for the help
I love you guys. You are the best. I'm having back pain for 3 years and everytime I go to doctor and get my MRI done, it says disk bulge in L5. But I was 200% sure that it's not where my pain is coming from. After watching this video, I got my GP to give referrel for a rheumatologist who found out that I have SI joint problem, not in disk. So thank you very much guys
What tests did you do to find this ?
This is so true, surgeons love hyping this stuff-up because its so lucrative.
Surgeons make very little money when not performing surgery. Remember this before agreeing to be cut open.
@@OfficialJoeKingOne
So glad I stumbled onto this video!! My back and neck are a mess !! I’m currently getting PT and I was curious if I’m doing more harm than good!! 👍
Mine too how are you doing?
Two jokesters but very informative and helpful.
They are honest smart and funny at the same time,that is legendary
Yall would love to get your hands on me. I shoudnt even be walking from what xrays and MRI say. No meds yes there is pain. But its the weakness thats the issue.
I’m so glad I came across your video. Thank you.
Thanks for this video, it encouraged me to do more exercise for my L4 L5 disc bulge.
I’m 36 was almost paralyzed waiting to have a discectomy. Because of that wait I have permanent numbness in my posterior Rt leg. Also that led to 3 more surgeries with two fusions and a cage at L4L5 and cage at S1. As an ER RN I would tell people do not have surgery unless you can’t do your daily activities or have severe nerve pain.
wow, are you still able to work as an ER RN?
Had my discectomy on my L5 disc in 1992, when I was 31. Best thing I ever did. It gave me my life back and got me off naproxen, which was giving me intestinal bleeds. So grateful for socialized medicine in Ontario! Of course, with all the budget cuts since then, if I'd herniated my disc AFTER 1992, I'd probably have just been handed a bottle of percs or oxy's. Physio was very important and helpful post-op, but not instead of surgery. And stay away from chiropractors! There are MANY snake-oil sales types in the low back pain racket. I have nothing but contempt for anyone who would exploit someone suffering in so much pain by stringing them along, promising relief after "just another session", when proven and safe surgical options are available. I suppose in the US there are some doctors who will recommend surgery for a pimple or hangnail, but in my opinion, anyone suffering the sciatica I went through should have the surgical option available to them as soon as possible, regardless of their circumstances.
I agree. I was incapacitated from the agony of sciatica and had to live on cortisone to be able to dress. Thank God surgery saved my life. I had two children.
I’m have been unable to lay down for more than 3 hours at a time since January I was referred to a pain management specialist he told me the same things these two quacks have said in the video and suggested I download a pain management app. As a doctor you would think that seeing someone who has been sleep deprived for months would understand the negative complications to over all health and would suggest definitive care. Nope! Just like these two they have a sales pitch, they are looking for life long clients. They aren’t looking to heal the injured.
I have L5S1 desiccation causing an impingement on the S1 nerve root in the lateral recess. Im on Keystone First in the USA. My insurance company denies treatment for everything. I had Rothman tell me they can change my life forever with a minimally invasive procedure. My insurance denied it! Please help me! I lost my entire life. All my money is gone. I will not be able to take care of my dad. My whole life deteriorated because of this. I lost everything, stripped with nothing. I waited to see my girlfriend in the Philippines to get married to her. It all fell apart. Even my friends dont hang out with me anymore, because i lay in bed. Ever since my acute flair up in august 2021. I make sure to get up everyday and push myself upright. I beg and cry so much that there is someone who is telling me they can fix me for sure. And my insurance company likes to not approve for some reason :(
Surgery literally saved my life.
Excellent presentation!
This video is so helpful! thank you!
Build-a-Posture wedge seat cushion and back pad have completely eliminated my back pain from bulging discs in my lower back when driving in my car. It makes a huge difference... car seats are so uncomfortable.
Big thumbs up for this video. The following long rant is to help other people who have injured their lower back and think they may have a herniation or slipped disc, and are lucky enough not to need surgery. There is another way.
Three weeks ago exactly on my last dead lift I heard three distinct and loud pops from my lower back(so loud i heard them over the music in my headphones). I dropped the weight just inches off the ground and knew immediately I had done something very stupid. I tried to push out an extra rep at heavy weight and my form slipped. I felt like I was going to black out for a good 5 minutes. I couldn't bend over and after another 5 minuted I had a lot of trouble removing the weights from the barbell and re-racking everything. I managed to hobble to a chair and continued to feel light headed for at least 10 more minutes. Finally I mustered up the courage to head home. Being that I don't have insurance or money to spend on a doctor visit I did what most people do and consulted the internet. My worst fears were confirmed. Everyone who has experienced the same thing as me suffered either slipped or herniated discs.
I was devastated, but I knew if I had any chance at recovery I had to be proactive about my injury and do everything I can to rehabilitate myself. Immediately I began icing my lower back and taking ibuprofen. For the first two days I didn't do much of anything else, but slowly I felt the pain subsiding and my rage of movement increasing slightly. The next day I laid down and rolled on a tennis ball and then a wooden practice hockey ball, very gently. That afternoon I had a localized cryotherapy treatment and i continued icing and taking ibuprofen. I began doing light stretches the next day in bed and on the floor(cat/cow, child's pose, sphinx pose, etc), and after rolling on the tennis ball and hockey ball i used a supernova ball and a foam roller. Then I went in the pool. In the water my ROM was much better and my pain was dramatically decreased. I was careful but I started by doing leg swings, trunk twists and using the steps in the pool to elevate each leg for a stretch. I let the water assist me while i tried to bend forward for a toe touch and realized I had a long way to go.
Over the last three weeks I have been doing these things every day, ibuprofen and icing less and less. I did go for one more localized cryotherapy and EDM massage treatment which I feel helped quite a bit. I began lightly exercising with a resistance band after about week 2 and started building back up walking longer distances. The first day I walked half my usual route with the dog(about 1.5-2 miles) but by the third or fourth day I was able to walk the full 3.5-4 mile route without feeling any pain after. Still every day using the foam roller, ball, stretches and exercises.
I have been very meticulous about not re-injuring myself. Taking things slowly and only slightly progressing each day. A few days I have done no exercises and only stretched(lazy days are necessary too). Today I walked the dog 4 miles, jogged around the backyard for 20 minutes and hit the heavy bag(lightly) for another 30 minutes, cycled for an hour at a relaxed pace and went through a heavier resistance band routine. No pain, basically full ROM. I am healing better using active and intelligent rehabilitation and PT techniques than I ever thought I could. Initially I thought I would never be able to touch my toes again. Today I can with no pain. I only feel some slight soreness in the morning when I wake up and some sort of sting when rolling on the hockey ball(the kind of good pain that brings relief after like it is breaking up stiff tissue).
My plan is to take at least another 2-3 weeks of this path, slowly progressing every day and reassess how I feel then. If I am not completely pain free with full ROM and no A.M. soreness or tension when stretching by week 6 I am going to see a Dr/get an MRI (I will have saved enough money by then). The point to all of this is exactly what the video states. Surgery should not be the first option and these gentlemen along with many others on youtube have shared a wealth of knowledge that can help you recover better and faster than you ever thought, as long as you are careful and take it very slow. I took my time to write all this because it has been a profound and very eye opening experience in my life to not over-exert yourself and to not jump into anything. In the past I went the surgical route for plantar fasciitis and in the end the only thing that actually helped was to ditch the soft squishy high arched shoes and regain strength and mobility in my foot through PT and weight loss. Hopefully this helps anyone coming here looking for hope, I know that when I first hurt myself I thought it was going to be a major life changing issue. Good luck.
If you havent gotten an MRI to know what is exactly wrong then i dont agree with your plan. Conservative treatment is fine but you need to make sure its not something serious first
How are you now? Sounded like you did some damage?
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You work really well together, funny thing you look younger now in the latest videos!
Hi Bob and Brad,
Where did you get that ball and model vertebra to demonstrate a disc buldge??
I have 8 herniated discs and it’s the worst pain in my life everyday, some morning I cannot even move my legs out of bed.
U won't get you spine fused?
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Also bladder and bowel involvement.
I have this exact issue, only my treatment so far (including surgery which did nothing) has addressed the herniated disc, and not the Retrolisthesis. I’ve been in chronic pain for over a year now. Just waiting for the doctors to come to the conclusion/s that I already know so that I can get the appropriate treatment. 🤦🏻♀️
Great video!! Learned a lot!!!👍
I am 19 years old and have had back pain since I was 14. I just found out from an MRI that I have a bulging disc. Prevents me from doing a lot of exercises
See an orthopedic, or go to pain clinic, 2 epidurals fixed my life when I was 21 yrs old w 2 disc herniations
I have my L5 touching the spinal chord. Is surgery a "must have" to avoid more damage or can PT, chiro, etc. help with this? And, if doing PT, chiro, how long should I keep trying it before I move onto something else? I've been trying the PT, and chiro care for about a year and while it has helped some regain my mobility and pain in surrounding area of my back I still have the "main" sharp pain. I've avoided seeing a surgeon for obvious reasons but I'm getting frustrated. What are your thoughts on microdiscectomy? Very grateful for your informative videos. Thank you
So, how'd you make out? I have the same problem.
Love your videos, they have helped me so much - Thankyou. However today there seemed to be a lot of background noise and I found it quite distracting…just wanted to mention it in case you were not aware that it was being picked up by your mic.
I appreciate you guys so much.
I have been suffering with lower back issues since 2006/7. So 16 years roughly. It all began just as I lifted a Henry hoover. I struggled so much with the pain. Even though I went to many different doctors I was never actually taken seriously. During the fisrt stage of lockdown I was on furlough.and could feel my pain gradually getting worse over the few months but then went back to work and carried on as normal. Coping like I always had. Long story shorter....this year....May 19th I went to work crying this time as the pain was that bad. Just kept hoping the pain would leave me one day....it didn't. By the time I went home the only way I could relief myself from the pain this time was to lay down. But when I tried to get up and move again I could not walk. I was like that for two days. After injections, a shed load of pills, an apparent URGENT MRI scan a month later???? They said no operation. After seeing an actual consultant he asked some questions.and did some tests. He used a pin on the top of my left foot which i couldn't feel the pricks and he did the reflex test on the back of my heel and there was nothing. That's when he decided it was time for me to be operated on. My question is can you or anyone here point me in the direction of advice and aftercare to look after myself. As I have had none offered. After having the operation and being told I have DDD I am still in pain. Not as much as I was...granted but defiantely has not removed it altogether. And i still have a cold left foot with no feeling in it. I apologise for going on but I kind of feel quite alone with this atm
I’m in a similar situation, physiotherapy might welp you. Also getting back support harness or hernia support.
Sounds like a bulging disc is pressing on your nerve. Very common. Talk to your doctor about a lumbar discectomy. I'm not a Dr but it might be worth a look.
@edwardbyard6540 hi. Thanks. I had an op 30th august and have had no follow up appt yet. But on the 23rd dec i finally get to speak to a consultant again. Will be bringing it up with him.
@@pollypocket7798good luck❤
Also use B1 benfothiamine as part of your recovery with whichever route you choose. Itll help the nerves over a few mos of usage.
Good informative video Now my MRI seems okay
You two dudes are awesome 👍alot of good info on this channel 😎 thx
You both are great. Thank you.
I have a right sided herniation, and while I had pretty bad pain for a few months I’ve gained a lot of my mobility back and reduced my pain. I still get occasional pain but it has not hurt as bad as it used to in a long back.
What did Yu have done?
I was kicked out of physical therapy because I would not get an mri. I got a inversion table and corrected the pain on my own!
Dog Moon did you have a bulging/herniated disk? if so which one & how long did it take for the inversion table to do its job? (:
MRI and imaging too many times causes even more issues over time. As anything does. There is no more treat the patient because I want to heal them and I care. It is all about money. Even cancer patients will not get any form of help if they choose to not undergo chemo etc. Same as what you are dealing with here. It is all about money.
haz kandi it around 8 months. I did core strengthening exercises as well. I looked those up on you tube.
I was told not to get one because of my high blood pressure.
Video provide good information 👍
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Awesome video. Thank you, so very much.