Fender '68 Custom Deluxe Reverb vs '65 Deluxe Reverb reissue (amp review demo)
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Late 2013 saw Fender revisit the 'silverface' period for the first time when it announced the new '68 Custom Series: a Twin Reverb, Princeton Reverb and Deluxe Reverb that combine the spirit of an era with a few contemporary tweaks, rather than providing exacting recreations of the original models.
Here, Chris Vinnicombe puts the new '68 Custom Deluxe Reverb up against the 'blackface' Deluxe Reverb reissue in an A/B comparison test.
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I keep coming back to this video just to listen to that awesome rhythm and lead. Freaking chilling..on both amps. Best guitar comparison video I have ever heard. Big shout out to all those involved. A+ effort. Saying that...the 65 just hits my ear the right way. Won't throw that 68 out of bed though !
this is probably THE best comparison video of a 68 and 65 deluxe reverb reissue.
they both win in my opinion, each has their own personality.
great job guys!
Ive played both of them in person and the 68 does everything better in my opinion. I swapped put the V-type with a Creamback 65 and its the best sounding amp ive ever played.
Big difference with the creamback?
I was thinking the same. What year is you '68? Not sure if there are different versions or lower noise (important) varieties of '68's.
@@MOAB-UT 🤣 what year is your '68 ?
It's not lost on me, but I think it's just a luck of the draw in quality control rather than specs since it's inception.
@@user-jl9kw9gn3m Yes. Model year and build year are two very different things son. You never said original 68 and even those could be dated + or - a year. There is some luck involved. A fully original '68 is a fine amp though.
@@MOAB-UT 🤣 boy, my blackface is older than your dad. The 68 on topic here was released in 2013 and been cookie cutter every day of the year.
This is the template for how to do an amp comparison. Less talk. Direct side-by-side immediate and just the amps. Excellent and thanks.
I've never heard deluxe on full volume before sound so good, sounds insane
By far the best amp demo I've seen on CZcams.
Best Amp Demo I've ever seen or heard. I personally preferred the '65, but, frankly, either one would do as they both have that incredible Old School Fender sound that I love. Great Job!
I like the 68' for lead and the 65' for rhythm. The reverb on the 65' sound more lush
That's a great little demo. Thank you. Both amps sound terrific. The 65 was a bit tougher sounding, I thought.
The 65 has more dust on it
Don't let the Magisterium hear you say that!
68 reverb sounds like absolute garbage. Sounds worse than most solid state amps. Can’t believe that thing is a tube amp. 65 rocks it’s socks off completely. And in terms of knob and tone usage this video isn’t a great demonstration of that. Idk if this guy was purposely making the amps sound bad or what.
The micro-electro magnetic polarity of the dust from 1965 gives the blackface a warmer more etheric tone. Plus any self respecting sound scientist knows that the color black attracts and absorbs the sun's rays there for supercharging the amps thermodynamic tonal range. Dogs hate it 😂
@@Michael-bt6ht You're nuts, of course.
Dust in my teeths ranging treebles
This is probably my favorite video on CZcams. I keep coming back just to listen to it. I bought a '68, kept it for a few years and sold it. I have Marshall DSL40C now with a Little Black Amp Box to keep the volume down. I had two problems with the '68. 1) I couldn't turn it up loud enough to get the sound I LOVE without getting complaints. 2) I was spending too much money on pedals getting it to sound like a Marshall at reasonable volumes. I will own one again when my living situation allows for it. Such a beautiful amp in looks and sound. I guess I don't know enough about music styles or something, but I don't know how to find more music like this. I would buy albums of this style if I knew what to look for. Certainly, it's Blues & Rock, but what kind within that?
Spectacular demo of the two, really great job, best demo of these amps I've ever seen on the web
This is how a comparison should be done! Thanks for the video.
Eargasm! I could play this on a loop all day. Well done! !!!
Agree with many others; BEST demo of the 68 Custom DR on YT thus far. Choice of song and guitar was also outstanding. Thanks for posting. Went out and bought one last week just off this video.
Great comparison. On it's own I may prefer the 68, but in the mix definitely like the 65.
thanks for doing such a straight to the point, short, well played and objective demo!
68 for me! :)
Now THAT"S how to produce a gear comparison video. Nice work! (And I'm surprised, I think I like the '68 a little more!)
Me too but they both sound killer cranked up!
Patrick Szymanski I used to have a '65 DRRI, and before that a Twin Reverb. Had to sell them when I was short on cash. Need to get one again. I've been thinking maybe the '65 Deluxe Reverb Head might be the way to go. Would be even easier to carry without the weight of the speaker. I also use them at home, silently, with a THD Hotplate, running the speaker output into the computer from the Hotplate's line out, then replacing the speaker, cabinet and room with simulated ones in the computer (IK Multimedia's Amplitube, you just disable the amp section). I can rock out at 3:00 AM then and my neighbors have no idea I'm cooking real power tubes on 9. But my preamp, spring reverb and power tubes are all real. Sounds amazing!
Admiral Quality haha that's great.
Admiral Quality can you use the Hotplate with a combo or just amp head?
Patrick Szymanski You could use it with the head alone as it will completely disable the speaker in the LOAD setting. Its line-out works no matter what attenuation (or LOAD) level you have set (and it has its own separate level control in the back).
It's a great product! I had two, a 4 Ohm for my Twin and an 8 Ohm for my Deluxe. (And is yet another thing I'll need to buy again.)
That's why I'd like the head. I can't use the speaker at home anyway, my neighbors would complain after 5 minutes. And when the time came that I had a stage gig, it would be easy and relatively inexpensive to buy or rent (or even build myself) a cabinet.
I have watched this a dozen times now and still keep coming back for the tune you’re playing! Love it :-) BTW, 68’ Custom Deluxe all the way!
Fantastic comparison video. Seems like the 65 has a little more twang like a surf sound, but the 68 sounds smoother. I really dig both amp sounds. Hard to choose as I am considering buying one!
I just bought a new 65 Deluxe Reverb, Super Great When Used with an OCD overdrive pedal and a Uni Vibe pedal
They both sound great to me. Great demo :)
This is exactly how a comparison should be done. Definitely the best A/B quality, well done. Personally prefer the '68 custom but they're both fantastic sounding to me.
Just like others have posted, this is the best comparison on CZcams. I've been through this video 20+ times. At times the 68 sounds just a bit better, yet at times the 65 sounds better. Many times I could not discern a difference. I have a 65. The difference is so minuscule I would not go the trouble to trade the 65 for a 68. Both are AWESOME ! Just change tubes for a slightly different sound. Thank you for an outstanding video. Best ever !
Great comparison video ! Quick question what mic and preamp is being used to record this ? Sounds like it picks up both amps verrrry well.
Awesome demo, superb way to compare the amps! I like the reverb channel on the 65 but the normal channel on the 68..... Tricky one
There is something that absolutely discredits this demo: at 0:25, when changing the amps, the microphone is moved away from its original position. By the other hand, this is the very best comparison I've seen. Thank you very much. I got the'68 before seeing your video. After seeing it, I think I was right. Yes... I was kidding with microphone incident, but it happened, as you can see. ;-) Thank you again.
I just wet myself listening.. this has got to be the ultimate gear comparison vid of all time... excellent work!
Gear comparing youtubers please take notes! Great job! You just affirmed my 65 preference - I like the more beefy less scooped out sound of the blackface just as I did before but with more confidence now. Thank you, god bless!
This is very good demo. You can really hear the difference in the 2 amps. They are both good sounding just slightly different. That last bit must have been loud with those amps dimed.
Thank for this comparison. It really shows the characteristics of both amps. I currently have a 68 Princeton and now this makes me want the 65 Deluxe. For what I play (modern worship/country) my 68 is really warm and dark and breaks up really easy which is great for more rock and roll type music but not too great for me. The 65 Deluxe is brighter with more headroom and has a lot more clarity. Which is perfect. Thanks again for the great video it really put into perspective that I should go blackface this time instead of silver.
You can change the speaker for another with more clarity, like a Jensen C12N or an Eminence, Celestions tends to compress the tone.
I watched this multiple times and then bought the 68 Custom Deluxe. No regrets.
That was awesome!!! Where have you guys been all my life? lol
This beautiful demo made me buy the Fender 68. What an amazing amplifier ...
I like the '68...I played both recently and just like this comparison, to me the 68 is warmer and smoother. Awesome job on this video.
So, question I have is which one is more suited to jazz in a small setting, primarily swing, Grant Green, Jazzblues that will also give me an edgey sound for when I want to do more fusion/scofield?
A great comparison. Identical input recorded identically without all the small talk. Well done. Always thought I'd go the Blackface but the '68 sounded great.
Great sound from both amps. It looks like they are two independent channels on each amp with no master volume? So, you are cranking the amp all the way to full volume to get crunch?
In the image the amps are dimed in each setting. Is that accurate to the sound we are hearing?
Just remarkable production quality. Fantastic video.
Which amp would be best for trying to achieve Johnny Marr's sound? (not taking into consideration pedals as well just the amp first). Would they both do the trick or does one edge it?
Fraser Macpherson the blackface for sure
The best comparison you'll find on CZcams
Very nice video. I love the song and the playing is just perfect.
I have a custom 68. Very good amplifier. The only thing needed if need pur vintage tone is to change the speaker. The Jensen 12K is nice or another vintage one.
65 imo is the best of the two if needed pur clean Fender sounds without mods on the amplifier.
68 is customised to be more pedals friendly. No bright cap on vintage channel on the 68. The 68 Celestion speaker is more modern than the jensen. So it's sounds less vintage. But is more pedals friendly on both channel.
For vintage clean tone 65 is my best choice imo. Or a custom 68 modded with another speaker inside if you like features of the 68 with sounds close to the 65. I have bought a Jensen C12K for my 68, the tone is very close now to the 65.
On 68, The channel 1 is a bassman circuit. Channel 2 is the same vintage channel of the 65 without bright cap to be more pedals friendly. The 65 has only one sound on both channel with bright cap on both. Only difference on both channel of the 65 is channel 1 has no reverb, no tremolo. Channel 2 has these effects. The 68 has reverb & tremolo on both channel which is a very nice feature.
Keep in mind that these amplifiers are really loud after 3 of volume. So a good attenuator is not a bad choice even for bands. With an attenuator, the 68 is a little better too cause no bright cap on vintage channel.
Armagedon197238 thanks for the breakdown, very helpful! 👍🏼
Yeah, best review I've seen so far. You should do a video!
this is the way to do demos, nice job
Holy moly, that was Awesome. I'm was looking around youtube for ever trying to find a good comparison because I'm deciding which one to buy and you did such a good job of comparing them. You made me slightly change my mind from the 65 to the 68 because it sounds a lot warmer and louder. Thanks!
***** I'm confused. The volume is on 10. When I play DR amps on 10, that is REALLY loud. My problem with this amp is it doesn't break up at until it's at a volume that is unbearable. What am I doing wrong.
Nick Gallagher You're not doing anything wrong, this is just the way these amps are. They must've just had it very very loud when they recorded it.
Nick Gallagher yeah, these are 85 watt amps. its going to be REALLY loud if you want it to break up. and like zach said, your doing nothing wrong.
most people get these amps for their clean tones, ive never really heard of anyone cranking it unless they are at like an arena.
if you really want this amp, and want to crank it, consider buying an attenuator.
victor teran they aren't 85 watt amps are you high? They are 22-watt amps mate, I know I have one....
Yeah, I'm not sure where 85 watts came from. Still, if you turn up these 22 watt amps (like my Supersonic 22) to 10, it will BREAK YOUR EARDRUMS. I don't understand how they did this demo.
Chris is now editor of Guitar and Bass Magazine well done they change to name if the magazine it is now Guitar Magazine
Best amp comparison of all time.
Hardly. Burying the sound of the amp under a super loud "backing" track is the way to demo an amp?
Rock N Roll ,wow I didnt want this video to stop
I'd like to have that Guild through my 65 DR. Sweet guitar, nice tracks and playing.
This is a really good demo of two amps and they're really close. Normal channel on
the 65 DR has NO reverb - just volume/treble/bass - so it can be a bit ballsier
to my ears. It pedals up very well, with a great blackface tone that you can sculpt
any way you like. Two very nice and close sounding amps. I like the lead tone on
the 68 a bit more, which surprised me, but overall I'd go with the 65. With each amp
on 10 (mine goes to eleven) they both kick ass and are great for any situation overall.
Good job, mate!
Why is the trem stereo? True comparison or post processing?
They sound so similar it would be very easy to adjust either one to sound like the other. They're both nice amps.
Nice demo. I have the 65 but can't play with the treble on 10 when turned up full. The ice pick highs would take your ear drums out. Maybe it's just my DRRI but I have to back treble off to 3 at high volume
A/B'd both at a SLC area Guitar Center before opting to buy the 65... no regrets. The 68 certainly is/was interesting, but the 65 had more to offer to my ears and the build quality seemed a bit better. YMMV.
Both are very cool. I feel like the 68 may sit better in a mix, but the 65 reverb sounds way cooler in my opinion. Probably would get the 68 because it's a bit less and you can just turn up the verb if wanted. Plus, has the baseman circuit on the other side👌🏼
I can speak on the differences around 3 or 4 on volume, not cranked though. The 65 is clearer and more bright cause of the bright cap. The 68 sounds like it has a blanket over it, even with treble at 10 and bass at 1. However, I think I’m gonna go with the 68 cause of the bassman channel and with some eq tweaks on a eq pedal I think it could get pretty close to the 65. Also the 65s reverb is deeperZ
That was a great comparison. Played them both but not at the same time or place. I never would have guessed that I like the 68 better. But that's what your video tells me.
What a fantastic video, thank you. You helped a lot for my decision.
I am set on a 65 reverb but there are two types: deluxe reverb and twin reverb. does anyone know the difference between these two 65's?
A pleasure to listen with the headphones on and up! Great demo. Thanks. I still prefer the '68 but it's hard to go wrong either way.
Wait, I just realized that both amps were on '10' for the leads. So is all that grit from the amp or was there an OD pedal in front?
Awesome work! Love ur playing!
Everything sounds fantastic! Ah... if only I could find somewhere to play my '68 CDRRI on "10"' LOL. That had to be blisteringly loud in that room!!!
Both of 'em definitely nail the Brian Jonestown Massacre sound. This awesome video doesn't make decisions any easier. I love them both, I wonder how the 68 Custom might sound with a Jensen or a Tone Tubby speaker.
by far the best video and tasteful Playing, thank you very much! where can i get this feckin' awesome backingtrack???
Looking for a 65 DR in GC, and walked out with a 68 CDR.
Wonderful sounds and playing !!
65 has more bite and less gain.
68 is crunchier, darker and more mids.
God, I want both of them.
Wonder how much that has to do with speaker differences. I bought both and returned the 65. I'd like to try mine with a 212 cabinet.
Spot on
Did you ever end up getting your Reverb amp? I want a '68!
Nice demo and thanks for posting. Your video made me think, "It might be interesting to hear a comparison between the Custom 68 custom channel (ch 1) with the tremolo/reverb on versus the DRRI vibrato channel (ch 2) with tremolo/reverb on." The reasoning being that the bassman tone stack is a little different and, unlike the DRRI, the custom channel (ch 1) in the 68 custom can engage those effects whereas the normal channel (ch 1) in the DRRI cannot engage the effects (dry). Just an idea and thanks again for a top class demo!!
Would a WGS et 65 be a upgrade over the V type Celestion speaker?
Fantastic comparison. This is the right way to do it. Too many comparison demos involve playing long passages and by the time you get to the second amp, you're too far removed from the duplicate phrases played through the first to detect the differences in nuance between them. Both guitars sound great to me, though somewhat different. The 65 is a little brighter and more edgy sounding here. The 68 has more mids and is slightly darker. The 65 cuts through the mix better here, though I might prefer the 68's voice overall. Both are great sounding amps, though.
They both sound good. Great playing!
Killer tone, playing, guitar and amps. I want them all!
I wonder how big of a role the speaker plays in this test, because im thinking of getting the 65 deluxe reverb head and will then be using my own cab.
the Jensen speakers used in Fenders are pretty significant in their tone. Feel free to mix it up, but you probably will want a vintage voiced speaker (for example Celestion Blues, Greenbacks, or V30s if you prefer less speaker distortion)
Can't compare two amps any better than that. Great job.
Each amp sounds better than the other ! I really like them both, and would love to have both in my set up. The music track reminds me of CCR's song "Effigy" very cool !
I have the 68, custom, and its the best sounding amp i have ever owned, in the past i was always completly uinspirerende by clean sound playing, that have taken a complete uturn with the 68. With the spring reverb on 7-8 and it sounds godly
Been watching Princeton65/68 and deluxe reverb 65/68 comparisons. Fair to say 65's are brighter??
awesome video!! very clear, concise & accurate ! great
Wow Bravo on this demo. Both very useable platforms tonally. I think the 68 sounds a bit more chimey and 3D sounding. It also gets creamy smooth when you push the custom chan into overdrive, but not as gainy as the SS22 which may be more than I need. The 65 Blackface is really my go-to tone ... Hmmm, maybe its time for a change. Im not a big fan of how these are wired these days, but I gotta admit they sound good and its better than getting your vintage gear knocked around on your regular club date. Cant go wrong either way on the used market.
The problem with these amps is to find that ideal sweet spot you need to constantly set the volume on 8, or 9, or in this case 10.That means the band needs to adapt to you (no matter what size room or audience) or if you are playing solo or even in your basement, you have to crank it. This is a loud 22 watts. Great sounding, for sure, both black and silver.
The song played throughout this is brilliant :D
Great side by side comparison....I think I want both amps.
Love the sound of the Deluxe 68. I own a Marshall dsl 40cr but am in love with the sound of the 68.
Well... I threw in the towel, and decided to buy both. 44 watts of bliss...
That's exactly what I'm thinking of doing lol
Little late to the party, but I just bought a 68’ reissue with the red back celestion speaker and wanted to get the blackface as well, to run in stereo. After 6 years, what were the pros and cons of combining? Maybe no cons here lol
I wonder. the 68 sounds more overdriven. maybe it has a different input impedance? wish I could hear both of them in their clean state side by side. great comparison try though. it's very difficult to do them.
.i must be in need of hearing aides...I hear the '65 as a fuller less tinny sound than the '68. I'm a newbie for the most part that's use to my mustang 3 .im looking to upgrade to one of these two (I'm pretty sure) and was leaning '65 till I read the comments lol...I like the brighter tones of the 68 but to me the 65 breaks up nicer or warmer .. Curious to , which would take my hw ts 808 better? I'm so confused!?!? Lol
The 65 is an actual reproduction of a 1965 Custom Deluxe. But the 68 has nothing at all to do with the Custom Deluxe--it's just a name.
I bought the '68 - I highly recommend it because the reverb and vibrato work on both channels. The input channels on the '68 are standard #1 and -6Db on #2 (both sides) giving it flexibility with higher and lower output guitars (I have a Telecaster with 17-ohm output pickups). Channel #1 is your pedal board input and the Vintage section is where you want to play a raw guitar. The amp is stunning and sounds full on 2.5 to 3 -- so doesn't need you to wake the neighbouring farm to hear it well. And just a note, I have a ToneMaster version of the '65 as well and in comparison it is not great at all.
Does anyone know what brand 6V6 tubes are used in these? My stock of NOS RCA tubes are running low.
JJ 6V6's and 12ax7's in the gain stages, sovtek 12T7's, reverb and phase inverter 12ax7's.
The 68 has a longer decay than the 65. I am suprised. I prefer the blackface on looks but the silverface tone is better in this instance. Great video. Subscribed.
Sure wish I had one of these. Great tone. Great amp
"We've concocted a subtably sixties-sounding backing track using a Gibson Les Paul....". Nice! Great professional demo.
The '68 sounds so much better. I can't imagine why some are going for the '65.
so im thinking about getting one of these. I love the bassman channel and how the silverface breaks up a tad eariler and takes pedals a bit better. But it sounds a bit thin to my ears. I like the black face but it just has reverb for days and doesnt have the bassman channel =( opinions?
Same boat dude. Those are my same reasons for not having decided yet. But i think im either going for a cheap 68 or vintage silver face
Great video/comparison. I want to have both, the 68 for clean stuff (e.g. Jazz, Funk) and the 65 for the more dirty (Rock'n Roll) playing :-)
Why no stratocaster demos! :(
After a lot of research, I went with the 68, loved it for a while but be aware, it has the notorious whistling defect that others talk about.
Im sure you have a reason but Bass and Treble both on 10? Help me out please. Thanks
Great comparison demo....I just bought a 65.
I had the 68 and it was just to warm and bassy. The 65 is brighter more bite and snarl. Ans the reverb sounded better to me. Definitely gonna grab one!
I prefer the custom 68. Excellent demo. How is made the record of the bass ? DI ?