EP6 On The Vietnam War with Sir Max
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- čas přidán 28. 10. 2018
- Description: This show comes in two parts, an overview of the Vietnam War era by Dan, followed by a conversation with famed writer, historian and war correspondent Sir Max Hastings about his experience in Vietnam and his new book on the Vietnam War.
Show Notes:
1. Vietnam: An Epic Tragedy, 1945-1975 by Max Hastings
2. Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945 by Max Hastings
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Thank you Dan Carlin for all the hours of dedication. You have singlehandedly engaged me in history in a way that I never experienced in school.
Fracton. Couldn't agree more. I'm an engineer that kinda muddled thru History in HS.. It was ok, but mainly just regurgitating facts, etc.
wow I had a drunk history teacher, quite literally. Imagine having Dan Carlin as the teacher indeed..
History really is taught very coldly here in America. Have had only one teacher I can remember who made history into an interesting story to tell like Carlin. Oral history really should be more prevalent.
@@TheForsakenEagle same can be said about Spain and I bet about most countries too. The main problem imo is that they tell you 'this is what happened and why' and you have to memorize it. Whereas true history is about understanding what happened, why, who was involved, how it happened, how it cuold've happened, what ppl at the time made of it, etc etc. So in school they get all the fun out of the ecuation.
@@TheForsakenEagle doesn't even seem like they teach history anymore.
Hands down THE best book on the Vietnam War I've ever read. I still enjoy rereading that book.
As is often the way with Carlin's podcasts, upon finishing this episode I immediately started re-listening to it. Brilliant as ever.
This podcast isn’t brilliant at all. It is a disgrace.
Dan Carlin says he finds interesting the extremes in human nature or human experiences. I feel like his podcasts are a reflection of this as he is the pinnacle of extreme excellence, setting the bar the highest it's ever been.
Enjoy him while we have him. What if Dan decided to never put out another podcast ? The word would be a darker , dumber place.
@@thomasmitchell4128 - True.
Bowden's oratory was better, but for long format podcast Dan is very good yes.
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Congrats on getting nominated for podcast of the year!
I didn't know 😮
Can I vote?
Everytime my CZcams front page displays an unfamiliar Hardcore History title life gets a little better.
Thank you so much for that Dan, that was incredible
I have no words for how Dan's podcasts have enriched my life. Thank you so much.
Thank you Dan Carlin !!! Your videos make my day !
Thanks Dan. Every podcast is a gift. You make all our days better.
my grandfather was a vietnam vet and it never left him. I thank you Mr Carlin for this, it really gave me some insight into the whole conflict. makes me understand his demons a bit more. you’ve gained a huge fan.
Yessss! By far my favorite podcast/channel. Thanks Dan!
dan carlin's podcast are pure gold.
thank you Dan. your work is incredible.
Fantastic interview/show - as always!
Dan Carlin sir!... Thank you for what you do
Waiting on the next japenese episode.👀
panzerman22 if only you realized how long it takes him to make an episode like that.
@@JohnDoe69986 i don't need to realize anything. it was just a statement . man people on the internet act like woman😐
panzerman22 jeez dude it was just a statement, relax. “Act like woman” you’re the one getting upset lmao. But like you said “people on the internet”
@@JohnDoe69986 I listen to all his podcasts . I don't need you to tell me to understand anything why do you feel it's your place to say that you don't dictate anything. And yes you act like a woman you posted first underneath my comment. Nice try with your reverse shaming tactics. Everybody who listens to his podcast knows the longer ones take a while to produce. You said that to be a smart-ass. And if only you understood that nobody cares about your opinion keep it to yourself do you understand that or do you realize that. Again you don't dictate anything realize that.
I've listened to the first Japanese episode four times already. Can't wait for part 2. Love learning about Japan's hardcore history.
Dan- Thank you for your great work.
Thank you for a new Video. You and your guys are awesome!
Amazing way to tell history,thank you Dan Carlin.
Awesome show and always fun to hear from Sir Max Hastings.
Started off with wrath of the khans now I cant get enough off everything history related Dan puts out... if I was still in high school when I found you I probably would be doing something history related as a career.. Im Currently an engineer and blown away by your content dan !!
Mr. Carlin thank you for everything you do.
I just revisited 'Blueprint for Armageddon'. Still mind blowing. Thanks for keeping them coming.
I wish I knew more people who loved history the way I do. Thank you Mr. Carlin!
Brilliant conversation.
Excellent! Been waiting years to hear you speak on Vietnam.. Of course id love the full HH treatment for it, but this is great too.
Been waiting for this one... Cheers Dan.
thank you both
Thanks Dan, I got a project I'm working on and having this in the back ground makes my shop feel like heaven.. 🤘☠
Delightful slant on offering history to us, keep safe you and Sir Max.
YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! new hardcore history!!!!, not tired of constantly replaying blue print for Armageddon though. thank you Dan!
One day, I'm gonna animate that series - I'm thinking of doing a Tarantino style series of vignettes, and submit it to Mr. Carlin for approval. I'm pretty sure that history can't be copyrighted (and I have no intention to plagiarize), but as the inspiration, Dan would deserve some proceeds.
daniel mosher same! I must have listened to it through about 10 times
I can't wait to listen to it again, I finished blueprint last week and I'm still reeling from it.
The recent pace of HH content is amazing, Dan. Not all heroes wear capes.
I would love to hear Dan do a segment on Che Guevara. Most of what we hear is propaganda from one side and the other....it would be nice to get an in-depth and unbiased look into the life of the man.
A good book to read that is an unbiased look and highly in-depth (800 or so pages) biography of Che Guevara is written by the American journalist Jon Lee Anderson called "Che Guevara A Revolutionary Life" he uses unclassified C.I.A documents as well as meeting his wife etc, so its well researched.
I have actually read Anderson's book. While I have read other books on Che (including "Guerilla Warfare" which my father still had from his days in the Army..still has the Army library stamp), Anderson's biography is the only Che biography I have read. I have a bit of a nuanced view of Che because of these books, but I never hear the pertinent facts of the man delivered by "lefties" or "righties". The truth is probably closer to the middle (or Anderson's book)...and like Genghis Khan, there is plenty of good and bad to talk about.
@@Gekokujo76 he fought for a system of slavery and dictatorial powers by using violence. He wasn't special, just a douche.
There are two played out sides of that debate...and you obviously know one of them. "He wasnt special, just a douche"....I think you're projecting. Please tell me how "Genghis Khan was a murdering jerk wad" and feel free to believe that you just educated me on the finer historical points of the man. What a self important turd you are...thanks for your input.
@@drumyogi9281 He was a medic and joined a coup against a tyranny, then the new gobernment allied with the URSS as a mean to survive; he participated for a while then left to join/plot other coups against other tyrannies. My summary of his life is not good but yours is way worse, he always fought against "a system of slavery and dicatorial powers" (not to say he succeded of course, but from what I know it seems like he did try).
Was really hoping "Sir Max" would turn out to be Hastings. So happy.
I cant wait for this to be an episode
I’ve been waiting for this since the last HHAdendum! Thank you, Dan!
Perfect timing! Thank you Dan!
Thank you for letting us listen and watch you grow as an artist through out these series of orations Getting closer to addendum #1 I can feel it . Truly an art. When I introduce people to your stuff I always refer to you as the Shelby Foote of our generation. I hope that isn’t an insult to you or mr. Foote. Or maybe even Ed Bearss ...... ?
I like this bloke and I'm British.I listen to his podcasts all the time.
Great work!
I spent five weeks in Vietnam back in 2014. Very warm friendly people very young population that really surprised me. Young vibrant energetic fun population.
As a U.S. Navy and Army veteran with a master's degree in International Studies, I've learned to sympathize with most democratic leaders and the difficult choices they had to make during the 20th century. I especially sympathize with LBJ. He was a builder (Civil Rights, Education, War on Poverty) and he was overshadowed by the Kennedys and the Vietnam War. He didn't possess diabolical intentions regarding Vietnam, he was a leader who was dealt an unpredictable hand at a precarious time in history. His own son-in-law served in the war itself. As Sir Max stated at the end, ironically it was American soft power (culture) that ultimately won over Vietnam.
Me hizo el día. Como siempre, impecable.
I just got Max's book, looking forward to getting into it!
My youtube popped up to tell me there was a new hardcore history and I almost sharted myself!
Yeah, I had to change my pants too, but it wasn't a shart... Gotta say, it's not my proudest fap (quite somber, actually), but I have no regrets.
Edit: Welcome to CZcams comments Sir Dan 😋
drunk...again.
Joe Rogan sent me my good sir. Thank you for the wonderful content
As always thanks Dan!
Hi Dan, and thank you for a great show. I'm sure by the way that I'm not alone in wishing you would make a series on Medieval Europe, wouldn't that be cool? Possible subjects: The Italian wars, the Holy Roman Empire, the Crusades, the journey of Marco Polo, the War of the Roses, the discovery of the Americas, the Byzantine Empire, the Teutonic Order.
Always a good day when there’s new Hardcore History materials
Man I love these interview addendums.
Thanks Dan. I showed these to my history teachers and they love you too.
That was fantastic
Ken Burns “Vietnam War” is a must, much more in depth stories.
Thank goodness it's short, I already called off work once this week. (It's Monday)
Right on. I was going to bed, but not now. Luv me sone hard core history
@ 60 remember veterans from three wars n very glad I had the privilege of being friends n what I was taught!!
Holy shit Dan on Vietnam? Am I dreaming?
Thanks for the episode. I will pay you back by not sleeping tonight.
Max Hastings was recently at the Pritzker Military Museum in Chicago. Dan you should come visit!
Dam you dan carlin, keeping me from doing my homework with your amazing content.
M Jojo this knowledge and perspective is invaluable, and the fact that you seek it out speaks volumes about you, and the sort of person you are, and want to be. This is definately more important subject matter than spelling, but I'll be the asshole that tells ya that a dam holds back water, and damn does'nt do much other than be short for damnation. Phone lines are now open for all to correct my (likely) numerous punctuation and grammatical errors...;▪}
lol
Dan. Love your work. One thing I would tell you i slightly disagree with you said at the start. And thats that the Soldier doesn’t want to be at the bad place. I know what you mean and you are somewhat correct. But for me, as an Infantryman. And for my buddies and I in Iraq. We wanted to get into a fight. That was our job. An Infantryman trains for that. Thats why we join. To prove to ourselves. Prove to whoever. Call it what you want. But we were always Itching for a fight. In Vietnam I understand we had many Draftees who did NOT want to be there. Respect to those guys for having to go through that. 11B. OIF. 2005 - 11ACR Blackhorse.
Falling asleep to this tonight
Woot. Thanks dan.
Listen mostly while working .
So there's at least one tilesetter learnin' bout gaul
oh damn, why isn't this on your main site dan ? Didn't even know you had a youtube channel.
Subbed and going to be listening to this tonight.
You people must really like this guy to be able to derive any enjoyment out of this video...
Agreed. I don't see the attraction.
I would ask A. What were you expecting and B. What about Dan’s style do you not enjoy exactly?
@@thejacksvn For a podcast type thing like this, my expectations are that the subject is going to be subject matter. He is not nearly charismatic enough, entertaining enough, or insightful enough for me to be able to take his rapid-fire chattering about himself or his feelings without getting bored. Quickly.
As I listen to this podcast, I’m on a bus traveling from Saigon to Bao Loc. This is my 8th trip to Vietnam. I’ve traveled to 36 countries, and of all of these, Vietnam has the most positive view of America that I have experienced. The people here love our culture and freedom. Vietnam is a beautiful country filled with some truly amazing people. Hopefully history will show that our intentions here were good and honorable. But, as with most things in life, outcomes are unpredictable when high ideals run headlong into reality.
Given the 'blow-back' narrative of terrorism, the people who ought to be anti-American terrorists should be the Japanese and the Vietnamese, yet this is not the case. Islamic terrorism is not based on what was supposedly done to them but what they are are commanded to do by Allah.
@B M if you say so comrade
Dan, my nephew's, having trouble in school started listening to your work, as I would play it at home in the background until they all wanted more, after a few short weeks the are begining to crave knowledge. The children are CRAVING knowledge because of your work Dan! A hug with a one leg side hook is not enough. Thank you my good man!
Great podcast! I would pay a lot of money to hear Mr. Carlin do a podcast on the 20th century from the prospective similiar to Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope! Or just to hear him do some sort of blitz show on the book. Anyone agree?
Dude, your awesome.
This guy would be awesome to spend an afternoon with a beer and talk about mind blowing historical facts.
Oh nice we have the same birthday, didn’t know a terrible battle took place on that day
I think it’s really sad how terribly veterans from Vietnam were treated by their own countrymen. I cannot even believe being called a “baby-killer”.
People had to demonize to cover for their own crippling insecurities
Unfortunately there was a small minority of American troops who did kill babies.smoke fire etc.
The far left will do the same thing if God forbid we have another war anytime soon
Merci
How can someone dislike this?
Why did you private you world war videos dan? I was loving them
Would highly recommendDon McCullin's 'Unreasonable Behaviour' to anyone here. War photographer, a harrowing read indeed.
Awesome
Keep it up Dan !
Love your podcast and get back on JRE please!!!
lets go a new Episode!
You are the light of my life haha :)
heard your latest common sense episode. i appreciate your work so much my friend! take your time. this is quality stuff. fuck demand if you gonna sacrifice quality. you have my back either way man.
Sir Max is the real deal.
I was supposed to get married tomorrow morning but i am staying up all night listening to HC History!!!!
How did it work out?
Nerves!?
Dan you can talk about anything don't let someone bully you into talking about a century or period of time you don't feel like
Hey Dan and group what name of the author who was wring books on the rebuilding the Us military after Vietnam? Do you have a book title by chance?
Gonna donate as soon as I can.
I sent $50. My debt though, is much larger 🙄
Yo Momz lol daaaaang
I watched a talk with McNamara it was quite eye opening even he realizes the mistakes
I think a revolutionary war/early United States episode would be amazing.
It doesn't really matter if a president lies to us or not in the big picture what really hurts the most is when our press lies to us that's when we're doomed and that's where we're at today
Even worse a year on
You're the best!!!!
some moderns soldiers upload their gopro videos to the the internet but it doesn't compare to how they used to show it on tv in the Vietnam War.
21:17 +1 for Andrew Bacevich. He's a brilliant and insightful historian.
I was in the Marines 84-88 and served under Korean and Vietnam vets and they were all about not wanting to go into war too eagerly. Even those you’d call “right wing” these days.
I would be interested to hear this man's perspective on America's current war in Afghanistan.
Depends on his involvement with it, y'know? He's got an intimate knowledge of the conflict in Vietnam. He was there. I don't know if he's got that same relationship with Afghanistan.
very touchy subject. maybe to fresh. but I certainly agree.
1:00:20 ”The great Norwegian resistance hero Knut Hamsun”? He must be referring to someone else. I find the name ”Knut Haugland” on Wikipedia, could it be him?
Hmm I’ve spent 5 years of my life in Vietnam and speak Vietnamese at an upper intermediate level.
While the government isn’t great at all they certainly aren’t what Sir max makes them out to be.
Perhaps the most ridiculous is the gross generalisation made about the Vietnamese people all wanting to be Americans and that they’re all hooked on American culture.
I’ve been lucky enough to have been able to experience and communicate with Vietnamese people from numerous facets of society - from rich to poor and city dwellers to extremely rural and this certainly not the case at all.
I really enjoy Dan’s stuff but this one has definitely reminded me to take all things you hear or read with a grain of salt
Thanks Luke, Dan's great...but when Sir Max starts off with giving American leaders a tongue bath then proceeds to call Ho Chi Minh a "bloodthirsty" revolutionary. Effectively saying, the U.S. killed too much because it cared too much, the North won just by virtue of being Vietnamese, i.e. patriots by default of occupation. I tuned out at that point.
Thank you, Luke. We appreciate American like yourself.
@@thinhphan2669 I’m from New Zealand not America :)
@@lukemarkham6246 even better!
I take it you have not read the Declaration of Independence of Vietnam, and people you talked to are like this Thinh Phan. Good.
Dan - have you seen or read "The Trials of Henry Kissinger?"
Post a picture of your library, Dan.