I kinda wish the writers would have done a little more research on what a true ocean world would be like. an entire planet of liquid water would likely have constant, planet-wide rainstorms and cloud cover like we see on Kamino in Star Wars, not the bright sunshine we see in Waterworld.
That realism would probably make the movie impossible to shoot. Production was hard as it was. Not to mention how you get good shots in lowers light, but also more danger if you shoot in rougher water. In the end you go for pretty picture, not for realism, as that pretty much excludes Waterworld happening The video did skip past the point how much external water needs to be added to reach even a hundred meter of rising, let alone kilometers. I guess best explanation was that the earth somehow shrunk and that this cause out to squeeze out all the water in trapped with in. That way you need less water and got an 'external' source to add water to the surface. But in the end not sure if you can have any scenario what would turn our earth into Waterworld.
It’s bad enough you on a planet full of salt water, to make the weather bad like kamino is like having those “fast zombies” from dawn of the dead makes it impossible to survive the movie lol
I'm surprised there weren't other people living on what remained of the Himalayas. You'd think that people would be migrating there in advance knowing the earth was gradually flooding. Even if the survivors died out like Enola's parents. There should be ruins of structures covering nearly every inch. Entire cities that were built around the mountains. But instead it's nearly untouched.
Yeah, that is certainly a different vision for Dryland and I like what you are thinking! Perhaps it was super populated at one time, but disease (perhaps the same one that killed Enola's parents and their small community) killed off a large part of those original inhabitants.
"You'd think that people would be migrating there in advance knowing the earth was gradually flooding..." Well, unless by "people ", you mean "humans," sure...
I mean the interesting thing is they dont touch on that at all in the movie, so there very well could be an entire civilization built up but the characters in the film just ignore them or don't know they exist.
This is a movie where cigarettes are still ubiquitous despite there being no land left to grow tobacco. I wouldn't get too hung up on the filmmakers' logic or lack thereof.
In the movie "2012", the tectonic plates drastically rearrange themselves, with some dropping and some rising. Which is how you get a tsunami overtaking Mt Everest. And at the end of the movie there's a mention that a point in Africa is now the highest altitude point. Maybe there's a similar process going on in Waterworld, with the continental and oceanic plates rearranging to be more even in elevation. If all of the plates are even, then a world spanning ocean becomes a lot more realistic.
I may be in the minority, but I'm hoping that the TV show does not go too far in exploring how the Earth was flooded. Perhaps a hint here and there, but I feel it's better if what really happened was left to our imaginations. Having a detailed account and revealing exactly what happened would take away the mystery and wonder, and revealing that there's other land out there would take away from Everest's special designation as humanity's last place of refuge and safety. That being said, I think a bombardment of the Earth's surface by meteors, asteroids, or comets are the most plasuable reason why the Earth was flooded. However, I doubt that water on comets caused additional water to be dumped on Earth. Instead, what I think happened is that, instead of tectonic plates shifting from impact, what if the impacts were so strong that they caused the surface of the planet to break up, causing the continents to sink to various depths? This would explain why the tops of Everest and the surrounding areas are above water, while Denver is 400 feet below. Other areas of the Earth are probably at various depths, some of which could be reached by the Mariner, while others are too deep for anyone to get to due to the ocean's pressure and complete lack of light. The Denver scene also provides some clues as to this theory. The buildings there are largely intact and still standing upright, which means that when it was flooded, it happened gradually instead of from a sudden, city-sized wave, which would have scoured the city to the bedrock. This suggests that, while the rest of the Americas were sinking, the Colorado area was largely intact, acting like an island among the ruined landscape around them, but it was still taken in the end. The presence of the submarine suggests to me that the water came fairly quickly, perhaps catching the submarine and carrying it along, where it hit a building and has been stuck there ever since (while we don't see all of it, there's no immediate evidence of being damaged from an explosion or other combat-related engagement, which implies that it was caught up in a natural event that overpowered it). With all that in mind, I think humanity was aware that the impacts was coming and, realizing that there would likely be a lot of flooding, cities were constructed to enable some people to survive, but humanity was caught off guard at how powerful the bombardment was. Thus, the continents broke up and sank, the surface of the planet all but vanished, and those who had time to construct boats and other craft managed to float to safety and try to start over, eventually leading to the events of the film.
I agree, I hope that the TV show does not go to heavy handed on the environmental themes and is more subtle about it like in the film. I think your right, maybe the story should just focus on the Waterworld universe as it is at the time that the film takes place. And I like your idea of the continents sinking due to the astroid bombardment!
I like to imagine that the submarine and it's inhabitants survived the flooding but simply ran out of fuel (which for a nuclear submarine takes 10 years) and came to rest/sank in the area.
I'm in agreement. It's best for Waterworld the TV series to just accept that the global flood as an acceptable break from reality. Adding too many outside reasons for the Great Deluge would really undercut the film's environmental messaging.
Seems plausible. Though with how much most modern shows suck these days you know they WILL over-explain it.....by blaming it on the ever-popular Global Warming but without going into any better detail than that. A decade ago in college I did my '10 page essay' on the subject of the ancient flood myth(s) with the story of Noah's Ark being the main focus. One of the Ice-Cap studying people claimed that even if you did melt the polar caps we'd not have raised the water level enough to flood the earth. In the bible it talks about springs in the ground bursting open and water pouring forth along with a massive rainstorm that lasted for over a month. We can only guess at that, such as subterranean glaciers melting and boiling to erupting from the ground like geysers. Some people that believe that people were on the earth before we had a moon believe that at one point the world was jungle-like and the humidity in the air was MUCH thicker. Supposedly after the moon arrived the planet cooled off and the humidity condensed, causing great rain storms EVERYWHERE, and they think this event was what caused the rains of "40 days and 40 nights" great flood.
Someone's probably mentioned this already, but there's a science fiction book by Stephen Baxter called "Flood" in which water starts rising out of the Earth's crust, eventually flooding the entire surface.
Thanks so much for the new video! I really like trying to balance the inconsistencies of the original telling of waterworld with establishing a sequel’s setting. I think they really wanted a mad max type thing on water for the movie and as an afterthought had to come up with a vague excuse for the water. That being said, just accepting the fact that the water is the height it is (roughly 27k) and adding the other mountains 4 mountains as other dry land communities is an amazing start for a sequel!!. It would be an amazing exercise to take a topo of all of those mountaintops and create a 3D image of what each island would look like and where they would fall in relation to one another.
Joeman! Yeah, I was defiantly thinking that the four other mountain tops would have their own individual communities/kingdoms/cultures, and that story could revolve around them uniting against a common enemy. And yeah, I agree, creating 3D typography of each island would be a great way to start world building. For instance the smallest of the island (Makalu) may only be a smattering of rocks barely above water, and you have to wonder how that would effect the people living there.
I never noticed the NatGeo magazines from the 'future', that's really nice. Like, in The Fifth Element the movie takes place in like the 23rd century but when they show footage of "wars" it's all 20th century conflicts and I wished they maybe shot just a few scenes of fictional future wars to splice in there? It's a small touch that so many future-Earth movies miss, the years between here and there.
I randomly found your Deez video and I have to say it was impressive. I can't believe that there is a channel dedicated specifically to Waterworld, but I can't say I'm not happy to have found it lol
Waterworld was one of those movies that I saw as a kid, and just sort of stayed as a memory, nothing more. I saw it on cable every now and then. But recently saw it again on DVD. I just put it on as I was doing laundry. And I was captivated by it. It's on par with Mad Max. And it's a pretty darn fun and well-made movie!
I prefer the comics explanation, it makes more sense in the overall canon of this world. The impact strikes would have killed off a lot of the population by the strikes alone and those people would have been killed off in minutes. Also, those strikes could have hit fault lines or water causing volcano eruptions, earthquakes, and tsunamis. Those tsunamis would be boiling hot killing off even more people and above ground animals in a matter of hours and wiping out most coast lines. The volcano's and earthquakes could easily rearrange the the land areas. Then, because of those impact strikes, the amount of dust and debris in the atmosphere to rapidly increase and set up a world wide nuclear winter like environment for a decade or so which would have killed even more people and animals. For a decade or more, it would be like dusk or night with the temperatures being year round warm or hot and the humidity being high and sticky. After all that, the earth starts to "heal", the dusts and debris start to settle and dissipate but with the addition water from the "icy death from above" and maybe all the underground "fountains of the deep", the water levels would have starting rising and rising quick. With the already high temperatures any ice caps that was remaining would be gone. Well, according to the documentaries I have seen based on the Yucatan asteroid strike and the Siberian comet explosion so I am just relaying information.
Another video idea might be to look at photos of Denver Colorado today and try to create a visual of how the underwater world in the area might have looked before it was covered with water as depicted in the movie. Maybe some photo overlaying or side by side images; one of the underworld and the other of how it was before.
Yeah, that sounds like a very fun project! I would definitely watch a video that did a side-by-side comparison of Denver to the miniature effects presented in the film!
I always had a feeling about there being more land then mentioned in the movie, but that the land mass to water ratio was so small and that it would by near impossible to map out the ocean with no real landmarks as all thing basically float freely for the most part.
Well, that should pretty much be canon at this point... Sailing is given distances of "horizons" in the film, and IIRC the Portuguense trader the Mariner met said that the atoll was "12 horizons" away. Given the incredibly slow travel of sail, nobody would ever stray from proven resources or harbors farther than they could carry supplies for. In a situation like that, Dryland could have been the size of Australia and nobody would ever have found it.
Ocean level 200 feet up would cover a lot of area, but still leave a lot of land unflooded. I've lived in areas that are a mile or more above sea level. But what I find interesting is, the flooded areas should become fertile shallows, so for that tiny portion of humanity that survives it could be pretty easy to live on fishing. But this isn't taking into account the rising of temperatures in general. Actually we're doomed along with multicellular life in general.
“Doomed along with multicellular life in general”…WTF? Even the worst predictions for global warming and climate change don’t go that far. Billions possibly dying over decades to centuries but not the end of humanity and civilization.
Humans have already survived increased sea levels that inundated far more area than would be inundated if all ice on earth melted. At the ends of the last few glaciations, sea levels rose dramatically. Sea levels are once again rising. Humans will survive but humanity might not. The areas that are slated for recapture by the sea are home to most of the world's population. Or about half. Because the vast majority of humans live within 100 miles of the ocean; should sea levels rise substantially, then even inland waterways will be much higher, too. So even though it's like 900 miles from the ocean, Chicago will flood. So will Detroit, Toronto, Buffalo, and Montreal. Obvs london gone. But so is Memphis and St Louis. Maybe not GONE, but devestation worse than post Katrina New Orleans. It won't be that bad. But it will be bad enough that I believe it's mornoic to fight to save Miami. It's unsavable if we don't stop climate change now.
Thank you a lot for this video, I have always been fascinated by the idea of the Earth completely submerged by water and Waterworld is one of my favorite movies ever. Thank you again and greetings from an Italian fan of this spectacular movie!! 🙏🌊
Same, just a couple days earlier. I now feel glad that Waterworld has a lore channel to preserve the history and canon of the world those characters existed in, even if we only had one movie.
@@TheAtoll Thanks! I've gone by Mariner on the internet since 1995! As for your game issue, if someone hasn't suggested it already, you could run a virtual box computer and install older versions of DOS or Windows onto it. I used to have the PC game but it got lost with most of my Waterworld stash in a move some years ago.
Yeah, I may be able to get it working on something called "DOS Box" with is a DOS emulator. I definitely have thought about buying an old computer too!
LOL Waterworld will always hold a special memory for me. Seated in the theatre, the movie started. I was watching it until I became aware of a man just ahead of me turning and shouting at a woman near me. I had no idea what it was about but after a few seconds I got his attention and told him to turn around and be quiet. I was watching the movie again when two hands gripped my neck from behind, and him whispering in my ear that he was going to kill me. After breaking free, I escaped to the lobby where I guess I did not make myself clear that I was being attacked. Instead the theatre manager and staff forced me out the door to wait for the police (which I said they needed to call), and actually allowed that man to leave out another door. I found out later that they never called the police. Justice was not served.
Wow, only just found this channel and I have to say it's awesome. Each video is really thoroughly researched and brimming with love for the movie. It's infectious. I'm off to pick up the novelization. Keep up the good work.
Another awesome and fabulously detailed video! Sorry I haven't been commenting for a while, have been so busy. I'm going to check out the Deez one today too.
Thank you for appearing completely randomly arbitrarily on my CZcams feed, I didn't realize that I needed to be transported to an alternate dimension where waterworld was still popular as much as I realized after watching this. I miss those days. I'm 35, and I think that this movie is as good as a lot of the other summer Blockbusters from that era. It's not quite Jurassic Park level, but there's really nothing inherently wrong with it. I suppose it had something to do with my age when it came out, or when I watched it, but I feel like it's a good introduction to "babies first post apocalyptic setting"
Haha, yeah, it's a swashbuckling adventure combined with a post apocalyptic film, so it defiantly has it's darkness, but that is countered some fun and silliness too. I also feel there is even a coziness to Waterworld (and The Postman). Anyhow, glad to hear you found the channel!
Still working my way through and learning more about how fleshed out the in-world canon really was for this underappreciated film. Glad someone cared enough to document all the specifics. Smaller the fandom, more important it is to have historians, less things get forgotten. ASOIAF has survived arguing increasingly insane fan theories. SW is the equivalent of our defective national politics with OG fans living in a different canon than the nu-fans with little common ground between different timelines. No one has retconned Waterworld with sequels or prequels yet, so it still has some purity. Also, the fandom isn't big enough to get co-opted by people who hate the movie and waste energy trying to destroy it for the nerds who loved it. Pure, sacred ground in an ocean. May it be safe forever from the oily smokers who'd corrupt and exploit it.
Thank you Maynard for writing this great comment! You have a very well put point. I find so much more fruitful a hobby to delve into this niche (and largely undocumented) fandom. Evertime I sit down to create a new video I make new and fun discoveries!
I would imagine that massive increase in water would lead to dramatic cooling resulting from endless storms. So the next epoc would result in enclaves tenuously existing on icesheets and subsisting into waters either north or south.
@@TheAtoll Sadly, the oceans would likely be deserts as the sea floors would be too deep to sustain large, diverse eco systems. I rather think the good Lord did a fine job with the world he gave to us.
Aww, the video just started but now I gotta go watch the movie. Absolutely love the scene when he takes Enola swimming. Just found this channel and subbed immediately.
I remember studying on university that the inversion of the magnetic poles happen around every 5000 years. Maybe I'm off on the number, but this was determined by the direction in which ferromagnetic particles are arranged in the the rocks from the Atlantic rift, working similar as a compass needle.
The "WATERWORLD: Children of Levia-than" comics could have made a good television sequel miniseries of "WATER-WORLD" during the 1990s and if Kevin Costner couldn't return as the Mariner or "Ulysses", I have a good alternative: "Hercules" himself Kevin Sorbo.
@@TheAtoll very cool stuff man, i watched a few of your lore videos, i had no idea lore went so deep, lol i never understood the mural at the end and that it was a freaking mount everest-how cool is that!!That pinball machine is sick, i watch items on ebay and past few months they had 2 of these machines for sale
Yes, some copies have become quite expensive. I would suggest looking for the 2008 Extended Cut DVD release on eBay for the cheapest way to get your hands on it.
Glad I found this Channel. WaterWorld is always been a masterpiece, it just wasn't recognized at the time due to box office flop and a general dislike for Kevin Costner that was going down in regard of stardome. It's a proper old school movie, with pratical effect, crazy stunts and real (not digital) sets. and Kevin Reynolds is always been also a great director. Fun fact: when I watched in the cinema, the projectionist fu*k up the numbers of the reels, so basically I watched out of order , e.g the Smokers destroyed the Trimaran, and after a while we can see the Mariner on the Trimaran again ahahah It dawned on me during the last re-watching that the characters obviously can't travel very far, and so they can not know every possible "dryland" that can exist in all the world, their perception and knowing of it is limited to the where they live and the distorted view of their history/lore.
Hey Alexander! Glad you found the channel as well! That's a funny story about seeing Waterworld in the cinema. Sounds like they were up in the both making their own cut of the film, The Projectionist's Cut! Haha Yes I agree, the inhabitants of Waterworld must have a very strange relation with "location", being that they are always floating and never truly in one place...something to ponder on for sure!
Personally I don't like the idea of icy death. I'd prefer them to say the earth shrink with whatever reason ( just like the Icy death ) so that the water on earth was enough to do the waterworld. And the shrinking created devastating earthquakes so that more land sunk deeper and more human died in a second. . Because they still need to explain why some languages were preserved but history was lost. There must be a time when there was a huge lost of human population within a very short time. Anyway, wow, it's really a difficult task to construct the waterworld background. And once again thank you very much for another great video.
A shrunken Earth premise is really interesting idea even outside of the Waterworld universe! I can't recall ever seeing a movie or book where the earth collapses in on it self. that's a pretty fresh idea!
@@TheAtoll Godzilla vs Kong introduced the idea of Hollow Earth so yeah why not? I just don't think "the extra water was brought from outer space" was a good idea. As for the earth shrinkage, you can say the idea came from here -> czcams.com/video/85MZ4c1EWkM/video.html
@@TheAtoll The Southern Hemispheric Ice Cap didn't finish forming until around 35 million years ago, if I remember correctly. (It started to form some time after the Chixulub impactor.) The Northern Hemispheric Ice Cap didn't form until 2.5 million years ago, with the coming of the (often popularly misnomered) "Ice Age". In fact between the postulated "Snowball Earth" (roughly 650 million years ago) and the time after the KP Extinction Event (65 million years ago), the planet would likely been free of ANY significant ice sheet coverage.
It always astounds me that people insist that the current “configuration” of earth is the correct one and needs to be preserved at all costs. Continents move, species come and go, ice builds and melts, etc.
@@nwmancusoThe issue with it now is that we are accelerating the process. We want to let it continue it’s natural cycle, we need too, but it isn’t. Currently it’s UNNATURAL because of us, we are making it speed up. No one is insisting that “the current configuration” is the correct one, they’re saying that it’s deviated from how it was naturally and we need to fix that. Climate is changing, we are artificially altering the cycle of warming and cooling, drastically diverting it from its natural climate cycle.
I wonder if one of those National Geographic magazine collections had the one where the impending ice age of the 1970s and early 1980s was the big scare.
@@TheAtoll Yes, it was terrifying for a kid to have a teacher cry in front of the class, reading out of a SCIENTIFIC American, and tell the class how hard we were going to have it as an adult. The impending ice age scare was all over the television, newspapers, scientific journals, and the such. Television programs would be interrupted to talk about the impending iced age. There were plans to cover the poles with industrial soot to captured more heat. There were going to be enormous sheets of dark plastic floated in oceans, and the such. We were supposed to be under 2.5 miles of ice by 2010. The talk stopped in the mid 1980s to allow the purge of the scare tactic from people's minds. Not all forgot. Time Magazine, Scientific American, Omni Magazine, Popular Science, National Geographic, were all spewing that doom. At my old school, a tree was planted to help combat the carbon dioxide and pollution in the air to help stop the ice age. That tree is huge today. It was planted in 1978, when I was just a little boy. Being a geezer has benefits. The memories are like an adventure. I have only been a geezer two years.
I have an idea for a Waterworld TV Show, it would focus on the daughter of Helen and The Mariner, who was conceived on the remains of The Mariner’s Boat. After a great tragedy, she would be forced into the greater Waterworld, where she will make friends and enemies, and eventually find out the world before the The Great Deluge is not dead, and she would eventually find the origins of The Ichthyo-Sapien Race, her biological father’s ties to them, and will have to confront a great calamity that threatens the entire world. There will be a prophecy: A Woman will come, A Daughter of The Land and Sea, Who will unite Two Worlds, And stop The Storm that threatens us all.
Wow, I love it! Interestingly my IRL best friend pitched me a really similar premise for a Waterworld TV show. But yeah, I love the inclusion of a prophecy here. Do you write for television?
@@TheAtoll No I don't write for TV, I mainly write as a hobby. But The Waterworld Story is so awesome, I felt that there was much more wonder and dangers in Waterworld, that one movie couldn't possibly show it all. A TV Series could do all that, and over time I came up with the idea for a series, new characters and their ties to some of the original ones, new heroes and villains, bizarre technologies, new monsters and other evolved life forms, new societies, etc,. So much possibilities, and my idea for a Waterworld TV Series would show just how big this world is, one filled with Wonders and Horrors, Hope and Tragedy, Victories and Defeats. It would show that the world didn't drown in The Deluge, it simply changed, and life has moved on and changed with it. Above and Below The Swell, a world of Dreams and Nightmares awaits, and it all begins with the bravery of one girl, who begins an epic journey, to discover the secrets of herself, and this brave new world, laying just beyond the horizon, of Waterworld.
@@Elfrunner Yeah I thought about talking about aliens in this video. Like potentially the mutants in Waterworld (like the Whalefin) could have been aliens. I didn't realize David Twohy directed The Arrival, but I remember seeing it as a kid. I don't think I realized it had a climate change message.
@@TheAtoll It really drove home global warming. Aliens from a dying star system had made it to Earth decades prior and set up greenhouse gas factories to hasten the damage to the environment - they preferred it very hot. To quote Ron Silver's character Phil Gordian: "We're just finishing what you started. What would have taken you one hundred years we'll do in ten. Just speeding along your own demise. If you can't tend to your own planet, none of you deserve to live here." This would actually make sense in the context of Waterworld, the speed at which the climate grew hotter and increased flooding.
Just watched Waterworld again and was pondering how it could happen. My leading theory is tectonic movement, raising the ocean floor and displacing the water upwards. Interestingly, the movie mentions the magnetic poles shifting, and we can track the magnetic polarity of earth over time using the mid ocean ridge where tectonic plates separate and magma flows up.
Maybe if Uranus and or Neptune were torn up and contributed a comet swarm that hit the Earth, that could explain it. Because as you point out, there isn't remotely enough water already on the planet to cover as much land as is covered in this setting.
Yeah both are ice giants. So if one or both got tore up somehow, it could cause a bombardment of new comets. This would make a mess of the whole solar system and if Earth was unlucky, cause a few gigatons of that ice to rain down on the planet. There isn't a lot that could cause that though, short of a rogue planet(oid) smashing into one of them. For that matter, this hypothetical rogue planet itself could be the source of the water, but again I'd imagine it would have to be torn up to deliver it's water over a few years to a few decades as I'm skeptical that the amount of water seen in Waterworld could be delivered in one go without larger issues like wiping out ALL life.
@@TheAtoll The moons of Jupiter & Saturn are easier candidates for this, they have subsurface oceans and they might even contain life! At least one of them was found to contain phosporous, a very important element for life.
Glad you enjoyed it! I having been thinking more about the 1k sub video and I think your right, a video just openly speculating about the TV series would be really cool!
Definitely. I assume that if a TV series was made that they might focus on some recounting from the elders about how they remember things as they were younger and stories passed down to them from how “the land days were”. Maybe they even will have some kind of school at some point for small children? My point being that they may want to even try to educate the viewer about land time’s impact on our climate and the very real horrors of that.
Maybe in this alternate universe of Waterworld, there is more permanent ice at the poles. Enough to cover the world with water. Pure conjecture, of course, but if nothing else I think this could prove believable.
What's really interesting is our planet has had plenty of times where the ice caps melted due to carbon in the atmosphere, it's what actually distinguishes an Ice Age. We are technically in an Ice Age, but that'll change thanks to manmade carbon emissions amd runaway effects.
Yeah, a lot of people have commented on this video about how the climate has had heat ups and cool downs over the history of the Earth and long before mankind existed, but you have to wonder what a rapid heating up like we are experiencing now will do to the environment. Will nature and evolution be able to keep pace? I don't know and I fear it will lead to a lot of unforeseen consequences.
My fun theorie is, that somehow the solid earth crush shrank (maybe the hollow-earth collapsed, lel), so the water now covers less surface - which results in the water covering almost everthing.
Ok, to my knowledge, 25k feet is the start of the Death Zone, so if all these people are at 27k, how is the air thick enough for them to breath at that elevation?
Atmospheric pressure at sea level is the same regardless of where sea level is, as long as the composition and amount of gases remain the same. The stratosphere would be pushed up tens of thousands of feet.
Best advice I can give you for running that old PC game is get in touch with Clint. He runs a channel called LGR. Lazy Game reviews. He has a whole collection of old machines for running old games that are incompatible with modern machines.
Aw, yes, I love LGR! And thanks for the suggestion! I got it running on my mac with a dos emulator, and in fact, I am just finishing up my deep dive on the Waterworld computer as we speak! It should be dropping at the beginning of next week.
I'm going to add something here, having watched the movie again recently, and finally getting around to reading the novelization. When it is finally revealed that the "world is upside down" and that the "poles have reversed themselves" they are literally stating that the earth has physically flipped about it's axis.....not the magnetic poles but the entire world. This is backed up in the movie when Gregor takes a bearing on the sun using his sextant and reverses the coordinates to find dry land. If the earth only suffered a magnetic pole reversal, navigating visually with optical aids would not be affected....only if a magnetic compass was used to navigate would navigation be 180 degrees off. Another clue in the movie is the night scene on the Mariners boat. The show the moon at 3/4 full with the dark part of the moon in the LOWER RIGHT. A waxing or waning gibbous moon would put the shadowed area towards the upper left or right, not lower. Also in the novelization, when the mariner returns to his burned out boat to salvage what he can, he discovers his home-made chart of all the city mapping he's performed is still intact. The latest city he's added is Denver. He compares this to a world map he managed to obtain and realizes that with the addition of Denver to his chart everything comes into focus. When he flips his chart upside down it matches the original world map before the disaster with all his plotted cities. This would definitely help explain why the disaster occurred so rapidly and why so few survived to even make it to the highest ground.
Wow, interesting theory! This has really had my brain going the past few days. I have even created some 3d models to help me visualize it better, and I can see how this could work. Question though, would magnetic north still point toward the artic? Also, I looked for that moon shot you referenced, but could only find a moon shot were it appears the shadow is on the top of moon. Very strange, but I think it was composited like this so the Trimaran siloute could fully pass across the face of the moon. But yeah, I plan to revisite the poll reversal subplot in my next channel update/follow-up video because I have some additional thoughts here too!
@@TheAtoll OK, I may have reversed top and bottom when referring to the moon scene.....lol...really take a look at that shot of the moon.....the first time I saw it, i realized something didn't look right.. ..which means I still stand by the earth physically flipping on it's axis both from the visual navigation by Gregor and the revelation experienced by the Mariner when he compares his chart to a pre-disaster world map. If the earth physically flipped, there is no reason to think the magnetic poles wouldn't follow the location of the physical poles, so a compass pointing to the north pole is now pointing south. Think about it, especially the Mariner scene in the novelization......magnetic compass bearings would have zero affect on the physical orientation of the cities charted on a map.....in that scene the Mariner had to turn his chart upside down to match the pre-disaster map. Also it readily explains the total lack of preparedness of the population to get to high ground. Global warming and climate change wouldn't explain a flood so sudden that only a relative handful of humans managed to eventually make it to Everest.....and the few that did most likely stumbling upon the mountain rather than fleeing there prior to the earth flooding....and there were so few the community died out anyway. Again, a magnetic pole reversal would have zero affect on celestial navigation but Gregor had to reverse the coordinates after taking a bearing from the sun (strangely in the novelization it was the Mariner who navigated to dry land).
You really covered a lot of interesting topics here, however the story of Noah is not primarily Christian... Well because Noah is Jewish, so therefore he's also mentioned in the other two Abarahamic religions Jewish and Islam. Also the PC game you have is PC, so its is not likely to run on a Mac, since in the 90's most games were not meant to run on a paperweight, not trying to be rude, its just what Mac's were in the 90's. You might want to look for a used PC and run it in compatibility mode, or look for an emulated copy. On a final note, if might be nice to mention that Flood Earth website I told you about, where you can see what a flooded earth would look like by entering in values in meters. Thanks for the great video.
Yes, excellent point about the story of Noah being from the old testament. Thank you for that correction! And, yes, I might need to get an older machine to run The Quest for Dryland. Sorry I completely forgot about the website you showed me! I will make a post about that before the weekend!
I didn't know anything about this Expanded Universe of Waterworld. And I was imagining a fanfic that explained the excess of water by ice meteors coming from the Oort Cloud, and advanced societies hidden and submerged at the bottom of the oceans. And that all this occurred at the same time that the Polar Ice Caps were melting with Global Warming. I'm impressed that there was already expanded material explaining all of this. (I didn't imagine wrong then, I unknowingly got the Expanded Universe right) Can the mutation of the protagonist be explained by genetic engineering of the people existing in these submerged cities? Does it have its origin in any of them? This would be interesting and would even logically explain its mutation.
Wow yeah, it sounds like you have a lot of the same ideas as the Waterworld comic book writers. Yeah, I think I talk more about the genetic engineering subplot of the comic in my video on the Mariner's Backstory and my deep dive into the Waterworld comics themselves. But yeah, a definitive answer is still a little ambiguous, but might have been elaborated on if the comics had had a second mini series.
@@TheAtoll A sequel called... Legacy Waterworid would be perfect. Where it showed that the protagonist had had a son, or daughter with Enola's protector raised in Terra Seca, and returning to the ocean in search of his father, perhaps with a grown Enola, and the justification would also be to protect Terra Seca from an invasion of some other clan. And finally discovering all this. It would be the ideal argument for a series, or a sequel film.
@@TheAtoll And congratulations on the channel. I grew up watching this movie as a child. Good to know that there is a Waterworld fan base and your channel is bringing it together from all over the world. Hugs from Brazil. City: Salvador. State: Bahia. My piece of the sea is here. Waterworld fanbase united!
I love how they changed the universal studio globe it was a great story origin. Genius. The only other time I saw the globe change was the first Doom movie with the rock where it was Mars as the globe genius again 😅😅
If that plack was originally at the summit of Mt. Everest, then we can certainly assume that it was moved down the mountain, given the fact that Hellen and Enola are not at the top of the highest mountain. Therefore the water does not have to have risen all the way up to the top of Mt. Everest. (which would also mean that all of the mountain, except the summit, would be under water) But you are probably right that the difference in comparison with Denver would be too much. PS: Asteroids are WAAAAAAY to small to have any significant impact on tectonic movement. And any asteroid that is large enough to have such an effect would sterilize the planet.
@TheAtoll It would be a more realistic story too, as water evaporates, so the sequel would be about the water receding and the continents on their way to being restored.
The cold war 'thaw' combined with the mention of the free market heating up leads me to believe the message in that text wasn't that nuclear war was the cause, but the collapse of the soviet union leading to endless growth economies worldwide with a constant race to the bottom. I just don't see how the line about the economy would make sense if nuclear devastation had resulted from the cold war actually going "hot" so I think a different interpretation was taken.
Yeah, the original script seems to be drawing a direct line between an unregulated market economy and the environmental damage that can inevitably lead to. I totally agree.
It is interesting to see how the fans plug the holes of the original story's weaving. However, I do indeed believe that the disasters that the fans came up with would be indicative of extinction-level eventS so terrible that it would be highly doubtful humanity would survive. But still, I suppose it is...possible. Who knows, it might not even be so much of a stretch of reality as I believe it would be!
I think part of the fun of fandom is looking at all the known cannon of an intellectual property and creating theories that can exist within those parameters. It's almost like a creative writing exercise I suppose.
waterwold was one of my favorites as a kid, and i lived in Denver at the time, and some how i missed that the underwater city was Denver...... im guessing its only one one, or some of the different edits of the movie, and i just never caught it.
When I was a kid I was watching syfy channel and they had water world and I noticed it was different then mine and I recorded it on vhs so all my friends would bage me for it lol
I actually got it running on my mac with a Dos emulator. In fact, I am scripting my video on the pc game as we speak, so keep an eye out for that in the coming weeks!
I kinda wish the writers would have done a little more research on what a true ocean world would be like. an entire planet of liquid water would likely have constant, planet-wide rainstorms and cloud cover like we see on Kamino in Star Wars, not the bright sunshine we see in Waterworld.
Hmm, yeah I see what you mean. However, I have always enjoyed the sunny Hawaiian vibes of Waterworld!
That realism would probably make the movie impossible to shoot. Production was hard as it was. Not to mention how you get good shots in lowers light, but also more danger if you shoot in rougher water. In the end you go for pretty picture, not for realism, as that pretty much excludes Waterworld happening
The video did skip past the point how much external water needs to be added to reach even a hundred meter of rising, let alone kilometers. I guess best explanation was that the earth somehow shrunk and that this cause out to squeeze out all the water in trapped with in. That way you need less water and got an 'external' source to add water to the surface. But in the end not sure if you can have any scenario what would turn our earth into Waterworld.
You have no idea what could go on so anything is possible
It’s bad enough you on a planet full of salt water, to make the weather bad like kamino is like having those “fast zombies” from dawn of the dead makes it impossible to survive the movie lol
@@Hcaz1113 Ridicule is the last weapon of the intellectually weak. Do better.
I'm surprised there weren't other people living on what remained of the Himalayas. You'd think that people would be migrating there in advance knowing the earth was gradually flooding. Even if the survivors died out like Enola's parents. There should be ruins of structures covering nearly every inch. Entire cities that were built around the mountains. But instead it's nearly untouched.
Yeah, that is certainly a different vision for Dryland and I like what you are thinking! Perhaps it was super populated at one time, but disease (perhaps the same one that killed Enola's parents and their small community) killed off a large part of those original inhabitants.
"You'd think that people would be migrating there in advance knowing the earth was gradually flooding..."
Well, unless by "people ", you mean "humans," sure...
I mean the interesting thing is they dont touch on that at all in the movie, so there very well could be an entire civilization built up but the characters in the film just ignore them or don't know they exist.
@@seand.g423people are humans lol
This is a movie where cigarettes are still ubiquitous despite there being no land left to grow tobacco. I wouldn't get too hung up on the filmmakers' logic or lack thereof.
In the movie "2012", the tectonic plates drastically rearrange themselves, with some dropping and some rising. Which is how you get a tsunami overtaking Mt Everest. And at the end of the movie there's a mention that a point in Africa is now the highest altitude point. Maybe there's a similar process going on in Waterworld, with the continental and oceanic plates rearranging to be more even in elevation. If all of the plates are even, then a world spanning ocean becomes a lot more realistic.
Yeah, I got to re-watch 2012 to fully respond here Ryley. Thanks for checking out the vid!
Yeah, and we all know movies are scientifically proven events that could happen and are true to warn us, and not for making money!!
@briankerbs Make believe is fun you should try it.
Catastrophic plate tectonics. Not a bad theory … would explain the “Noah’s flood” legend that is common among many cultures.
@@steveschritz1823except it's complete pseudoscience bunk
Waterworld is the best under-rated movie I've grown up loving.
1000%
They always ripped on this one and The Postman as being bad but I thought both movies were really good movies
Check out the Ulysses Cut of this film
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I may be in the minority, but I'm hoping that the TV show does not go too far in exploring how the Earth was flooded. Perhaps a hint here and there, but I feel it's better if what really happened was left to our imaginations. Having a detailed account and revealing exactly what happened would take away the mystery and wonder, and revealing that there's other land out there would take away from Everest's special designation as humanity's last place of refuge and safety.
That being said, I think a bombardment of the Earth's surface by meteors, asteroids, or comets are the most plasuable reason why the Earth was flooded. However, I doubt that water on comets caused additional water to be dumped on Earth. Instead, what I think happened is that, instead of tectonic plates shifting from impact, what if the impacts were so strong that they caused the surface of the planet to break up, causing the continents to sink to various depths? This would explain why the tops of Everest and the surrounding areas are above water, while Denver is 400 feet below. Other areas of the Earth are probably at various depths, some of which could be reached by the Mariner, while others are too deep for anyone to get to due to the ocean's pressure and complete lack of light.
The Denver scene also provides some clues as to this theory. The buildings there are largely intact and still standing upright, which means that when it was flooded, it happened gradually instead of from a sudden, city-sized wave, which would have scoured the city to the bedrock. This suggests that, while the rest of the Americas were sinking, the Colorado area was largely intact, acting like an island among the ruined landscape around them, but it was still taken in the end. The presence of the submarine suggests to me that the water came fairly quickly, perhaps catching the submarine and carrying it along, where it hit a building and has been stuck there ever since (while we don't see all of it, there's no immediate evidence of being damaged from an explosion or other combat-related engagement, which implies that it was caught up in a natural event that overpowered it).
With all that in mind, I think humanity was aware that the impacts was coming and, realizing that there would likely be a lot of flooding, cities were constructed to enable some people to survive, but humanity was caught off guard at how powerful the bombardment was. Thus, the continents broke up and sank, the surface of the planet all but vanished, and those who had time to construct boats and other craft managed to float to safety and try to start over, eventually leading to the events of the film.
I agree, I hope that the TV show does not go to heavy handed on the environmental themes and is more subtle about it like in the film. I think your right, maybe the story should just focus on the Waterworld universe as it is at the time that the film takes place. And I like your idea of the continents sinking due to the astroid bombardment!
I like to imagine that the submarine and it's inhabitants survived the flooding but simply ran out of fuel (which for a nuclear submarine takes 10 years) and came to rest/sank in the area.
I'm in agreement. It's best for Waterworld the TV series to just accept that the global flood as an acceptable break from reality. Adding too many outside reasons for the Great Deluge would really undercut the film's environmental messaging.
Seems plausible. Though with how much most modern shows suck these days you know they WILL over-explain it.....by blaming it on the ever-popular Global Warming but without going into any better detail than that. A decade ago in college I did my '10 page essay' on the subject of the ancient flood myth(s) with the story of Noah's Ark being the main focus. One of the Ice-Cap studying people claimed that even if you did melt the polar caps we'd not have raised the water level enough to flood the earth. In the bible it talks about springs in the ground bursting open and water pouring forth along with a massive rainstorm that lasted for over a month. We can only guess at that, such as subterranean glaciers melting and boiling to erupting from the ground like geysers. Some people that believe that people were on the earth before we had a moon believe that at one point the world was jungle-like and the humidity in the air was MUCH thicker. Supposedly after the moon arrived the planet cooled off and the humidity condensed, causing great rain storms EVERYWHERE, and they think this event was what caused the rains of "40 days and 40 nights" great flood.
There is something to be said by keeping secrets secret.
Someone's probably mentioned this already, but there's a science fiction book by Stephen Baxter called "Flood" in which water starts rising out of the Earth's crust, eventually flooding the entire surface.
No, I don't think anyone has mentioned Flood! I'll have to check it out!
A lot of people think thats how the Biblical flood occurred; as the Bible says in Genesis "the fountains of the deep".
That's not science fiction, it actually happened if you read the Bible.
@@slipstreamxr3763the bible's true because it said so?
That's even more relevant since the recent discovery of subsurface oceans under the Earth's crust that contain more water than is even on the surface
Thanks so much for the new video! I really like trying to balance the inconsistencies of the original telling of waterworld with establishing a sequel’s setting. I think they really wanted a mad max type thing on water for the movie and as an afterthought had to come up with a vague excuse for the water. That being said, just accepting the fact that the water is the height it is (roughly 27k) and adding the other mountains 4 mountains as other dry land communities is an amazing start for a sequel!!. It would be an amazing exercise to take a topo of all of those mountaintops and create a 3D image of what each island would look like and where they would fall in relation to one another.
Joeman! Yeah, I was defiantly thinking that the four other mountain tops would have their own individual communities/kingdoms/cultures, and that story could revolve around them uniting against a common enemy. And yeah, I agree, creating 3D typography of each island would be a great way to start world building. For instance the smallest of the island (Makalu) may only be a smattering of rocks barely above water, and you have to wonder how that would effect the people living there.
I never noticed the NatGeo magazines from the 'future', that's really nice. Like, in The Fifth Element the movie takes place in like the 23rd century but when they show footage of "wars" it's all 20th century conflicts and I wished they maybe shot just a few scenes of fictional future wars to splice in there? It's a small touch that so many future-Earth movies miss, the years between here and there.
Yeah, totally! Waterworld is filled with these nice little touches.
Yeah. They did that in Soldier with Kurt Russell. It really helped to cement the story.
I randomly found your Deez video and I have to say it was impressive. I can't believe that there is a channel dedicated specifically to Waterworld, but I can't say I'm not happy to have found it lol
Hey so glad you found the channel as well! Welcome aboard!
Worth pointing out that the Earth's poles have swapped several times already.
Yes, correct. I think I go into a bunch of detail about that in the video on the mysteries of Enola's tattoo
I believe they are about to do so again soon, if they have not already.
Waterworld was one of those movies that I saw as a kid, and just sort of stayed as a memory, nothing more. I saw it on cable every now and then. But recently saw it again on DVD. I just put it on as I was doing laundry. And I was captivated by it. It's on par with Mad Max. And it's a pretty darn fun and well-made movie!
Yes, well said, It's a darn fun movie!
I really love Waterworld, one of the best post apocalyptic movies I've ever seen!
I have always LOVED Waterworld. I have both versions on DVD and always watch it when it's on cable.
Always great to meet a fellow drifter! Welcome aboard. I hope you find some interest and entertainment from the videos here on The Atoll!
I prefer the comics explanation, it makes more sense in the overall canon of this world.
The impact strikes would have killed off a lot of the population by the strikes alone and those people would have been killed off in minutes. Also, those strikes could have hit fault lines or water causing volcano eruptions, earthquakes, and tsunamis. Those tsunamis would be boiling hot killing off even more people and above ground animals in a matter of hours and wiping out most coast lines. The volcano's and earthquakes could easily rearrange the the land areas.
Then, because of those impact strikes, the amount of dust and debris in the atmosphere to rapidly increase and set up a world wide nuclear winter like environment for a decade or so which would have killed even more people and animals. For a decade or more, it would be like dusk or night with the temperatures being year round warm or hot and the humidity being high and sticky.
After all that, the earth starts to "heal", the dusts and debris start to settle and dissipate but with the addition water from the "icy death from above" and maybe all the underground "fountains of the deep", the water levels would have starting rising and rising quick. With the already high temperatures any ice caps that was remaining would be gone.
Well, according to the documentaries I have seen based on the Yucatan asteroid strike and the Siberian comet explosion so I am just relaying information.
Wow! This is a nice timeline of the events that could have lead to Waterworld! Thank you for this comment, I greatly enjoyed reading it!
Another video idea might be to look at photos of Denver Colorado today and try to create a visual of how the underwater world in the area might have looked before it was covered with water as depicted in the movie. Maybe some photo overlaying or side by side images; one of the underworld and the other of how it was before.
Yeah, that sounds like a very fun project! I would definitely watch a video that did a side-by-side comparison of Denver to the miniature effects presented in the film!
Have you ever thought of writing your own story in the waterworld universe and trying to get it published? I want to do this for Alien.
Yes! We have a 1k sub video planed which we will talk a little more casual our hopes for the upcoming TV series.
@@TheAtoll New series aside I genuinely think you could pull off some good fan fiction at the very least. I would check it out for sure
I always had a feeling about there being more land then mentioned in the movie, but that the land mass to water ratio was so small and that it would by near impossible to map out the ocean with no real landmarks as all thing basically float freely for the most part.
Yeah, it would be cool to see other islands in a possible sequel!
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Well, that should pretty much be canon at this point... Sailing is given distances of "horizons" in the film, and IIRC the Portuguense trader the Mariner met said that the atoll was "12 horizons" away.
Given the incredibly slow travel of sail, nobody would ever stray from proven resources or harbors farther than they could carry supplies for. In a situation like that, Dryland could have been the size of Australia and nobody would ever have found it.
I think.a good sequel.would be the polar caps reforming, and the flooding of the earth reversing.
Ocean level 200 feet up would cover a lot of area, but still leave a lot of land unflooded. I've lived in areas that are a mile or more above sea level. But what I find interesting is, the flooded areas should become fertile shallows, so for that tiny portion of humanity that survives it could be pretty easy to live on fishing. But this isn't taking into account the rising of temperatures in general. Actually we're doomed along with multicellular life in general.
Haha, wow! This comment was a journey!
“Doomed along with multicellular life in general”…WTF? Even the worst predictions for global warming and climate change don’t go that far. Billions possibly dying over decades to centuries but not the end of humanity and civilization.
Humans have already survived increased sea levels that inundated far more area than would be inundated if all ice on earth melted. At the ends of the last few glaciations, sea levels rose dramatically.
Sea levels are once again rising. Humans will survive but humanity might not. The areas that are slated for recapture by the sea are home to most of the world's population. Or about half. Because the vast majority of humans live within 100 miles of the ocean; should sea levels rise substantially, then even inland waterways will be much higher, too. So even though it's like 900 miles from the ocean, Chicago will flood. So will Detroit, Toronto, Buffalo, and Montreal. Obvs london gone. But so is Memphis and St Louis. Maybe not GONE, but devestation worse than post Katrina New Orleans.
It won't be that bad. But it will be bad enough that I believe it's mornoic to fight to save Miami. It's unsavable if we don't stop climate change now.
@@burtan2000 the seas are rising at about a millimeter a year I think we have time. also Miami is sinking the sea isnt rising there.
@@dougkleen9917 About that, climactic mechanisms are additive, just look for info on the Siberian permafrost going haywire.
Don’t know how I missed this one! Another amazing video, my friend. Top notch research as always. Keep them coming
Thanks, will do!!!
For some reason my notifications for this channel turned off, so i missed this one come out
Yeah, CZcams can be like that. Thanks for checking out the video Pander TV!!!
a dedicated waterworld channel.... i love this place
Haha, yep, here we are!
Thank you a lot for this video, I have always been fascinated by the idea of the Earth completely submerged by water and Waterworld is one of my favorite movies ever. Thank you again and greetings from an Italian fan of this spectacular movie!! 🙏🌊
Glad you enjoyed it and glad that you found the channel!!!
I just found out about this channel and I never knew I needed this, but here we are.
Haha! I'm glad your enjoying!
Same, just a couple days earlier. I now feel glad that Waterworld has a lore channel to preserve the history and canon of the world those characters existed in, even if we only had one movie.
Can you show us the Extended version of the movie cause I tried to find it, but no luck.
I perhaps could do a break down of all the differences between the different versions in the future!
@@TheAtoll I, but first DRYLAND IS OUR DESTINATION!!!!!!
@@TheAtoll That’s a great video idea.
Excellent work my brother.
Thank you! And thank you for your help on researching this one!!!
Wow, a channel that is as nerdy about Waterworld as I am. Kudos! *subscribes*
Haha! Glad you found us and I love your screen name!
@@TheAtoll Thanks! I've gone by Mariner on the internet since 1995! As for your game issue, if someone hasn't suggested it already, you could run a virtual box computer and install older versions of DOS or Windows onto it. I used to have the PC game but it got lost with most of my Waterworld stash in a move some years ago.
Maybe the game runs on a virtual machine? Or maybe get some older Windows XP machine?
Yeah, I may be able to get it working on something called "DOS Box" with is a DOS emulator. I definitely have thought about buying an old computer too!
LOL Waterworld will always hold a special memory for me. Seated in the theatre, the movie started. I was watching it until I became aware of a man just ahead of me turning and shouting at a woman near me. I had no idea what it was about but after a few seconds I got his attention and told him to turn around and be quiet. I was watching the movie again when two hands gripped my neck from behind, and him whispering in my ear that he was going to kill me. After breaking free, I escaped to the lobby where I guess I did not make myself clear that I was being attacked. Instead the theatre manager and staff forced me out the door to wait for the police (which I said they needed to call), and actually allowed that man to leave out another door. I found out later that they never called the police. Justice was not served.
Well...this is probably one of the craziest comment I have seen on the channel, haha!
Wow, only just found this channel and I have to say it's awesome. Each video is really thoroughly researched and brimming with love for the movie. It's infectious. I'm off to pick up the novelization. Keep up the good work.
Wow, thank you! These are the types of comment that keep me going. So glad you found the channel! Have fun with the novelization!
I never thought this to be so popular...
Good to know I was not the only one that actually liked the movie.
Haha, glad you found us fellow drifter! Welcome aboard!
Thanks again for an amazing video!
Thanks for making it to the premiere of this one!!!
Glad to see someone else appreciate the film. Thanks for compiling the lore. I always liked it... never understood why it was so universally hated.
Yeah, it's a shame Waterworld gets trashed on. Its world building is top notch!
Another awesome and fabulously detailed video! Sorry I haven't been commenting for a while, have been so busy. I'm going to check out the Deez one today too.
Hey Dan! No problem! The videos are here forever (hopefully?) so catch up whenever you get a chance. Hope you're doing well man!
Thank you for appearing completely randomly arbitrarily on my CZcams feed, I didn't realize that I needed to be transported to an alternate dimension where waterworld was still popular as much as I realized after watching this. I miss those days. I'm 35, and I think that this movie is as good as a lot of the other summer Blockbusters from that era. It's not quite Jurassic Park level, but there's really nothing inherently wrong with it. I suppose it had something to do with my age when it came out, or when I watched it, but I feel like it's a good introduction to "babies first post apocalyptic setting"
Haha, yeah, it's a swashbuckling adventure combined with a post apocalyptic film, so it defiantly has it's darkness, but that is countered some fun and silliness too. I also feel there is even a coziness to Waterworld (and The Postman). Anyhow, glad to hear you found the channel!
Still working my way through and learning more about how fleshed out the in-world canon really was for this underappreciated film. Glad someone cared enough to document all the specifics. Smaller the fandom, more important it is to have historians, less things get forgotten.
ASOIAF has survived arguing increasingly insane fan theories. SW is the equivalent of our defective national politics with OG fans living in a different canon than the nu-fans with little common ground between different timelines. No one has retconned Waterworld with sequels or prequels yet, so it still has some purity.
Also, the fandom isn't big enough to get co-opted by people who hate the movie and waste energy trying to destroy it for the nerds who loved it. Pure, sacred ground in an ocean. May it be safe forever from the oily smokers who'd corrupt and exploit it.
Thank you Maynard for writing this great comment! You have a very well put point. I find so much more fruitful a hobby to delve into this niche (and largely undocumented) fandom. Evertime I sit down to create a new video I make new and fun discoveries!
Congrats on 1K subs!
Thanks DudeOut! And thank you to making it to the premier for this one!
Sea creatures: Wait something happened?
Land animals: Yemen
Fresh water creatures: X_X
Haha! Nice.
i am thrilled to know there is a waterworld fandom
Haha, yep! Just a band of merry drifters out here on the endless seas of the internet!
I would imagine that massive increase in water would lead to dramatic cooling resulting from endless storms. So the next epoc would result in enclaves tenuously existing on icesheets and subsisting into waters either north or south.
A very interesting theory!
@@TheAtoll Sadly, the oceans would likely be deserts as the sea floors would be too deep to sustain large, diverse eco systems.
I rather think the good Lord did a fine job with the world he gave to us.
Found this vid. Now on a binger.
Oh nice! Glad you're enjoying the channel! New video drops tomorrow!
First time I saw Waterworld, I had a super bad fever and start having really heavy fever dreams about the Waterworld.
Oh no, that's not fun! I hope it didn't spoil you opinion of the film!
Aww, the video just started but now I gotta go watch the movie. Absolutely love the scene when he takes Enola swimming. Just found this channel and subbed immediately.
Glad you found the channel and thanks for the sub GPtwo!
Any updates on that series?
None yet. I check everyday though. If it happens, it probably will not be until 2023 when we start seeing anything.
After 2 videos, this has become one of my top 10 subbed channels. These are awesome and you are great.
Hey thanks drew! I hope you enjoy the rest of the video collection! I should be publishing a new deep dive video around the end of the month.
Can’t wait!
Me too!
I remember studying on university that the inversion of the magnetic poles happen around every 5000 years. Maybe I'm off on the number, but this was determined by the direction in which ferromagnetic particles are arranged in the the rocks from the Atlantic rift, working similar as a compass needle.
Intresting info! Thanks for dropping this knowledge on us Thiago Dantas!
When watching another video about the tatoo, you mentioned this phenomenon in more detail, but I just saw after writing that coment. 😅
This is great! Thanks for explaining 👍🏼
Glad it was you enjoyed it! Thanks for checking out the video!
The "WATERWORLD: Children of Levia-than" comics could have made a good television sequel miniseries of "WATER-WORLD" during the 1990s and if Kevin Costner couldn't return as the Mariner or "Ulysses", I have a good alternative: "Hercules" himself Kevin Sorbo.
Yeah 100% JOSH! I would have loved to see this.
i cant believe this movie is getting attention after all this time, i love it as a kid and its still one of my favourite movies
Hey glad you found the channel! Yep, we like Waterworld around here haha!
@@TheAtoll very cool stuff man, i watched a few of your lore videos, i had no idea lore went so deep, lol i never understood the mural at the end and that it was a freaking mount everest-how cool is that!!That pinball machine is sick, i watch items on ebay and past few months they had 2 of these machines for sale
I'm looking for a copy of the extended cut. It's become a little expensive.
Yes, some copies have become quite expensive. I would suggest looking for the 2008 Extended Cut DVD release on eBay for the cheapest way to get your hands on it.
Glad I found this Channel.
WaterWorld is always been a masterpiece, it just wasn't recognized at the time due to box office flop and a general dislike for Kevin Costner that was going down in regard of stardome.
It's a proper old school movie, with pratical effect, crazy stunts and real (not digital) sets.
and Kevin Reynolds is always been also a great director.
Fun fact: when I watched in the cinema, the projectionist fu*k up the numbers of the reels, so basically I watched out of order , e.g the Smokers destroyed the Trimaran, and after a while we can see the Mariner on the Trimaran again ahahah
It dawned on me during the last re-watching that the characters obviously can't travel very far, and so they can not know every possible "dryland" that can exist in all the world, their perception and knowing of it is limited to the where they live and the distorted view of their history/lore.
Hey Alexander! Glad you found the channel as well! That's a funny story about seeing Waterworld in the cinema. Sounds like they were up in the both making their own cut of the film, The Projectionist's Cut! Haha
Yes I agree, the inhabitants of Waterworld must have a very strange relation with "location", being that they are always floating and never truly in one place...something to ponder on for sure!
This is a beautifully done and informative video.
Aw thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
This channel is so relaxing
Haha, thanks! I love when I get comments like this!
Personally I don't like the idea of icy death. I'd prefer them to say the earth shrink with whatever reason ( just like the Icy death ) so that the water on earth was enough to do the waterworld. And the shrinking created devastating earthquakes so that more land sunk deeper and more human died in a second.
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Because they still need to explain why some languages were preserved but history was lost. There must be a time when there was a huge lost of human population within a very short time. Anyway, wow, it's really a difficult task to construct the waterworld background. And once again thank you very much for another great video.
A shrunken Earth premise is really interesting idea even outside of the Waterworld universe! I can't recall ever seeing a movie or book where the earth collapses in on it self. that's a pretty fresh idea!
@@TheAtoll Godzilla vs Kong introduced the idea of Hollow Earth so yeah why not? I just don't think "the extra water was brought from outer space" was a good idea. As for the earth shrinkage, you can say the idea came from here -> czcams.com/video/85MZ4c1EWkM/video.html
@@garyslwong7677 Hahahahaha!! Nice.
Apparently permanent ice on earth's surface is actually a rarity in geologic history.
I was not aware of that. It does seem the Earth must go through periods of warming up and cooling down, hence the Ice Age I suppose.
@@TheAtoll The Southern Hemispheric Ice Cap didn't finish forming until around 35 million years ago, if I remember correctly. (It started to form some time after the Chixulub impactor.) The Northern Hemispheric Ice Cap didn't form until 2.5 million years ago, with the coming of the (often popularly misnomered) "Ice Age". In fact between the postulated "Snowball Earth" (roughly 650 million years ago) and the time after the KP Extinction Event (65 million years ago), the planet would likely been free of ANY significant ice sheet coverage.
It always astounds me that people insist that the current “configuration” of earth is the correct one and needs to be preserved at all costs. Continents move, species come and go, ice builds and melts, etc.
@@nwmancusoThe issue with it now is that we are accelerating the process. We want to let it continue it’s natural cycle, we need too, but it isn’t. Currently it’s UNNATURAL because of us, we are making it speed up. No one is insisting that “the current configuration” is the correct one, they’re saying that it’s deviated from how it was naturally and we need to fix that. Climate is changing, we are artificially altering the cycle of warming and cooling, drastically diverting it from its natural climate cycle.
Nice Deep Dive
Thanks for checking out the video!
I wonder if one of those National Geographic magazine collections had the one where the impending ice age of the 1970s and early 1980s was the big scare.
Oh intresting, was that something in the zeitgeist back then??
@@TheAtoll Yes, it was terrifying for a kid to have a teacher cry in front of the class, reading out of a SCIENTIFIC American, and tell the class how hard we were going to have it as an adult. The impending ice age scare was all over the television, newspapers, scientific journals, and the such. Television programs would be interrupted to talk about the impending iced age. There were plans to cover the poles with industrial soot to captured more heat. There were going to be enormous sheets of dark plastic floated in oceans, and the such. We were supposed to be under 2.5 miles of ice by 2010. The talk stopped in the mid 1980s to allow the purge of the scare tactic from people's minds. Not all forgot. Time Magazine, Scientific American, Omni Magazine, Popular Science, National Geographic, were all spewing that doom. At my old school, a tree was planted to help combat the carbon dioxide and pollution in the air to help stop the ice age. That tree is huge today. It was planted in 1978, when I was just a little boy. Being a geezer has benefits. The memories are like an adventure. I have only been a geezer two years.
I have an idea for a Waterworld TV Show, it would focus on the daughter of Helen and The Mariner, who was conceived on the remains of The Mariner’s Boat. After a great tragedy, she would be forced into the greater Waterworld, where she will make friends and enemies, and eventually find out the world before the The Great Deluge is not dead, and she would eventually find the origins of The Ichthyo-Sapien Race, her biological father’s ties to them, and will have to confront a great calamity that threatens the entire world. There will be a prophecy:
A Woman will come,
A Daughter of The Land and Sea,
Who will unite Two Worlds,
And stop The Storm that threatens us all.
Wow, I love it! Interestingly my IRL best friend pitched me a really similar premise for a Waterworld TV show. But yeah, I love the inclusion of a prophecy here. Do you write for television?
@@TheAtoll No I don't write for TV, I mainly write as a hobby. But The Waterworld Story is so awesome, I felt that there was much more wonder and dangers in Waterworld, that one movie couldn't possibly show it all. A TV Series could do all that, and over time I came up with the idea for a series, new characters and their ties to some of the original ones, new heroes and villains, bizarre technologies, new monsters and other evolved life forms, new societies, etc,. So much possibilities, and my idea for a Waterworld TV Series would show just how big this world is, one filled with Wonders and Horrors, Hope and Tragedy, Victories and Defeats. It would show that the world didn't drown in The Deluge, it simply changed, and life has moved on and changed with it. Above and Below The Swell, a world of Dreams and Nightmares awaits, and it all begins with the bravery of one girl, who begins an epic journey, to discover the secrets of herself, and this brave new world, laying just beyond the horizon, of Waterworld.
@@thenotoriousgryyn342 Bravo!
Dude, do the play through. I loved this movie. If Hollywood wasn't trash I'd love to see a tv show
Oh yes, funny you should mention it! My massive deep dive into the Waterworld computer game should be dropping at the beginning of next week!
More water than there was ice. Anyone catch an Ark floating around out there? 🤔 This one's going to be interesting.
Yes, it should be interesting! We'll see what we can dive into!
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I wouldn't be surprised if aliens had something to do with this, too. Remember that climate change movie David Twohy directed, The Arrival?
@@Elfrunner Yeah I thought about talking about aliens in this video. Like potentially the mutants in Waterworld (like the Whalefin) could have been aliens. I didn't realize David Twohy directed The Arrival, but I remember seeing it as a kid. I don't think I realized it had a climate change message.
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It really drove home global warming. Aliens from a dying star system had made it to Earth decades prior and set up greenhouse gas factories to hasten the damage to the environment - they preferred it very hot. To quote Ron Silver's character Phil Gordian: "We're just finishing what you started. What would have taken you one hundred years we'll do in ten. Just speeding along your own demise. If you can't tend to your own planet, none of you deserve to live here." This would actually make sense in the context of Waterworld, the speed at which the climate grew hotter and increased flooding.
Just watched Waterworld again and was pondering how it could happen. My leading theory is tectonic movement, raising the ocean floor and displacing the water upwards. Interestingly, the movie mentions the magnetic poles shifting, and we can track the magnetic polarity of earth over time using the mid ocean ridge where tectonic plates separate and magma flows up.
Great theory!
Maybe if Uranus and or Neptune were torn up and contributed a comet swarm that hit the Earth, that could explain it.
Because as you point out, there isn't remotely enough water already on the planet to cover as much land as is covered in this setting.
A very interesting theory! Do those two planets contain a lot of water??
Yeah both are ice giants. So if one or both got tore up somehow, it could cause a bombardment of new comets.
This would make a mess of the whole solar system and if Earth was unlucky, cause a few gigatons of that ice to rain down on the planet.
There isn't a lot that could cause that though, short of a rogue planet(oid) smashing into one of them.
For that matter, this hypothetical rogue planet itself could be the source of the water, but again I'd imagine it would have to be torn up to deliver it's water over a few years to a few decades as I'm skeptical that the amount of water seen in Waterworld could be delivered in one go without larger issues like wiping out ALL life.
@@TheAtoll The moons of Jupiter & Saturn are easier candidates for this, they have subsurface oceans and they might even contain life! At least one of them was found to contain phosporous, a very important element for life.
Man i forgot about this movie. Loved it as a kid
Glad you have rediscovered it!
Love this lore vid saw this movie a couple of years ago and did not know the lore was this deep keep it up man
Will do! Scripting another lore video as we speak!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it! I having been thinking more about the 1k sub video and I think your right, a video just openly speculating about the TV series would be really cool!
Definitely.
I assume that if a TV series was made that they might focus on some recounting from the elders about how they remember things as they were younger and stories passed down to them from how “the land days were”. Maybe they even will have some kind of school at some point for small children?
My point being that they may want to even try to educate the viewer about land time’s impact on our climate and the very real horrors of that.
Maybe in this alternate universe of Waterworld, there is more permanent ice at the poles. Enough to cover the world with water. Pure conjecture, of course, but if nothing else I think this could prove believable.
Yeah, for sure! An interesting fan theory!
Such an amazing movie; it doesn't get nearly enough love!!!
Agreed!
I already loved the movie but after getting some lore ive come to appreciate it so much more
Hey, so glad the videos here on The Atoll helped to give you that greater understanding!
What's really interesting is our planet has had plenty of times where the ice caps melted due to carbon in the atmosphere, it's what actually distinguishes an Ice Age. We are technically in an Ice Age, but that'll change thanks to manmade carbon emissions amd runaway effects.
Yeah, a lot of people have commented on this video about how the climate has had heat ups and cool downs over the history of the Earth and long before mankind existed, but you have to wonder what a rapid heating up like we are experiencing now will do to the environment. Will nature and evolution be able to keep pace? I don't know and I fear it will lead to a lot of unforeseen consequences.
Kool video i always wondered about this
Thanks for checking it out!
This is how you make a movie with a message its always in front of your face but its not overbearing
Yes, very well put Trash Bros!
Awesome channel, subscribed!
Thanks and welcome aboard! I should have a new video published in the next week or two!
@@TheAtoll awesome! Can't wait!
evil @NinfoStudios be like : Bad channel, unsubscribed!
My fun theorie is, that somehow the solid earth crush shrank (maybe the hollow-earth collapsed, lel), so the water now covers less surface - which results in the water covering almost everthing.
I love it! I can picture that happening really rapidly too, completely catching humanity off guard and at drift.
Ok, to my knowledge, 25k feet is the start of the Death Zone, so if all these people are at 27k, how is the air thick enough for them to breath at that elevation?
Man, that is a great point! I have also wondered how breathable the air would be in Waterworld.
Atmospheric pressure at sea level is the same regardless of where sea level is, as long as the composition and amount of gases remain the same. The stratosphere would be pushed up tens of thousands of feet.
Best advice I can give you for running that old PC game is get in touch with Clint. He runs a channel called LGR. Lazy Game reviews. He has a whole collection of old machines for running old games that are incompatible with modern machines.
Aw, yes, I love LGR! And thanks for the suggestion! I got it running on my mac with a dos emulator, and in fact, I am just finishing up my deep dive on the Waterworld computer as we speak! It should be dropping at the beginning of next week.
Great channel. Keep it up.
Thanks, will do! I still have plenty of Waterworld videos planned and in production!
By the beards of Poseidon’s daughters! Just found this channel and am a huge fan of Waterworld.
Haha! Very happy to hear you have found your way to the channel! Welcome aboard!
I'm going to add something here, having watched the movie again recently, and finally getting around to reading the novelization. When it is finally revealed that the "world is upside down" and that the "poles have reversed themselves" they are literally stating that the earth has physically flipped about it's axis.....not the magnetic poles but the entire world. This is backed up in the movie when Gregor takes a bearing on the sun using his sextant and reverses the coordinates to find dry land. If the earth only suffered a magnetic pole reversal, navigating visually with optical aids would not be affected....only if a magnetic compass was used to navigate would navigation be 180 degrees off. Another clue in the movie is the night scene on the Mariners boat. The show the moon at 3/4 full with the dark part of the moon in the LOWER RIGHT. A waxing or waning gibbous moon would put the shadowed area towards the upper left or right, not lower.
Also in the novelization, when the mariner returns to his burned out boat to salvage what he can, he discovers his home-made chart of all the city mapping he's performed is still intact. The latest city he's added is Denver. He compares this to a world map he managed to obtain and realizes that with the addition of Denver to his chart everything comes into focus. When he flips his chart upside down it matches the original world map before the disaster with all his plotted cities. This would definitely help explain why the disaster occurred so rapidly and why so few survived to even make it to the highest ground.
Wow, interesting theory! This has really had my brain going the past few days. I have even created some 3d models to help me visualize it better, and I can see how this could work. Question though, would magnetic north still point toward the artic? Also, I looked for that moon shot you referenced, but could only find a moon shot were it appears the shadow is on the top of moon. Very strange, but I think it was composited like this so the Trimaran siloute could fully pass across the face of the moon. But yeah, I plan to revisite the poll reversal subplot in my next channel update/follow-up video because I have some additional thoughts here too!
@@TheAtoll OK, I may have reversed top and bottom when referring to the moon scene.....lol...really take a look at that shot of the moon.....the first time I saw it, i realized something didn't look right.. ..which means I still stand by the earth physically flipping on it's axis both from the visual navigation by Gregor and the revelation experienced by the Mariner when he compares his chart to a pre-disaster world map. If the earth physically flipped, there is no reason to think the magnetic poles wouldn't follow the location of the physical poles, so a compass pointing to the north pole is now pointing south. Think about it, especially the Mariner scene in the novelization......magnetic compass bearings would have zero affect on the physical orientation of the cities charted on a map.....in that scene the Mariner had to turn his chart upside down to match the pre-disaster map. Also it readily explains the total lack of preparedness of the population to get to high ground. Global warming and climate change wouldn't explain a flood so sudden that only a relative handful of humans managed to eventually make it to Everest.....and the few that did most likely stumbling upon the mountain rather than fleeing there prior to the earth flooding....and there were so few the community died out anyway. Again, a magnetic pole reversal would have zero affect on celestial navigation but Gregor had to reverse the coordinates after taking a bearing from the sun (strangely in the novelization it was the Mariner who navigated to dry land).
You really covered a lot of interesting topics here, however the story of Noah is not primarily Christian... Well because Noah is Jewish, so therefore he's also mentioned in the other two Abarahamic religions Jewish and Islam. Also the PC game you have is PC, so its is not likely to run on a Mac, since in the 90's most games were not meant to run on a paperweight, not trying to be rude, its just what Mac's were in the 90's. You might want to look for a used PC and run it in compatibility mode, or look for an emulated copy. On a final note, if might be nice to mention that Flood Earth website I told you about, where you can see what a flooded earth would look like by entering in values in meters. Thanks for the great video.
Yes, excellent point about the story of Noah being from the old testament. Thank you for that correction!
And, yes, I might need to get an older machine to run The Quest for Dryland.
Sorry I completely forgot about the website you showed me! I will make a post about that before the weekend!
I didn't know anything about this Expanded Universe of Waterworld. And I was imagining a fanfic that explained the excess of water by ice meteors coming from the Oort Cloud, and advanced societies hidden and submerged at the bottom of the oceans. And that all this occurred at the same time that the Polar Ice Caps were melting with Global Warming. I'm impressed that there was already expanded material explaining all of this. (I didn't imagine wrong then, I unknowingly got the Expanded Universe right)
Can the mutation of the protagonist be explained by genetic engineering of the people existing in these submerged cities? Does it have its origin in any of them? This would be interesting and would even logically explain its mutation.
Wow yeah, it sounds like you have a lot of the same ideas as the Waterworld comic book writers. Yeah, I think I talk more about the genetic engineering subplot of the comic in my video on the Mariner's Backstory and my deep dive into the Waterworld comics themselves. But yeah, a definitive answer is still a little ambiguous, but might have been elaborated on if the comics had had a second mini series.
@@TheAtoll A sequel called... Legacy Waterworid would be perfect. Where it showed that the protagonist had had a son, or daughter with Enola's protector raised in Terra Seca, and returning to the ocean in search of his father, perhaps with a grown Enola, and the justification would also be to protect Terra Seca from an invasion of some other clan. And finally discovering all this. It would be the ideal argument for a series, or a sequel film.
@@TheAtoll And congratulations on the channel. I grew up watching this movie as a child. Good to know that there is a Waterworld fan base and your channel is bringing it together from all over the world.
Hugs from Brazil. City: Salvador. State: Bahia.
My piece of the sea is here. Waterworld fanbase united!
I love how they changed the universal studio globe it was a great story origin. Genius. The only other time I saw the globe change was the first Doom movie with the rock where it was Mars as the globe genius again
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Yeah the logo take over is a cool way to bring you right into the story. I have a whole video on how they animated it here on this channel!
Waterworld channel lets go
Haha! I hope you enjoy the content Arctic Gold!
If that plack was originally at the summit of Mt. Everest, then we can certainly assume that it was moved down the mountain, given the fact that Hellen and Enola are not at the top of the highest mountain. Therefore the water does not have to have risen all the way up to the top of Mt. Everest. (which would also mean that all of the mountain, except the summit, would be under water)
But you are probably right that the difference in comparison with Denver would be too much.
PS: Asteroids are WAAAAAAY to small to have any significant impact on tectonic movement. And any asteroid that is large enough to have such an effect would sterilize the planet.
Sorry, I don't quite follow the point you are making in the first paragraph. Are you trying to say the mountains have shrunk?
try floodmap, u can type in an +or- amount and it shows u the new world
Hey Thanks for the suggestion PT! I think I actually played around with this website a little bit while writing this video. Pretty cool stuff!
@3:47 .... the dude just standing there taking the tsunami ........... so crazy........... if he survived, i would love to hear his story.
Wow, that is a pretty extreme photo.
I wish there would be a sequel, where the polar caps start coming back, and the earth covered by water starts reversing.
Yeah, that would certainly be interesting to see!
@TheAtoll It would be a more realistic story too, as water evaporates, so the sequel would be about the water receding and the continents on their way to being restored.
The cold war 'thaw' combined with the mention of the free market heating up leads me to believe the message in that text wasn't that nuclear war was the cause, but the collapse of the soviet union leading to endless growth economies worldwide with a constant race to the bottom. I just don't see how the line about the economy would make sense if nuclear devastation had resulted from the cold war actually going "hot" so I think a different interpretation was taken.
Yeah, the original script seems to be drawing a direct line between an unregulated market economy and the environmental damage that can inevitably lead to. I totally agree.
It is interesting to see how the fans plug the holes of the original story's weaving. However, I do indeed believe that the disasters that the fans came up with would be indicative of extinction-level eventS so terrible that it would be highly doubtful humanity would survive. But still, I suppose it is...possible. Who knows, it might not even be so much of a stretch of reality as I believe it would be!
I think part of the fun of fandom is looking at all the known cannon of an intellectual property and creating theories that can exist within those parameters. It's almost like a creative writing exercise I suppose.
nice content, thank you
waterwold was one of my favorites as a kid, and i lived in Denver at the time, and some how i missed that the underwater city was Denver...... im guessing its only one one, or some of the different edits of the movie, and i just never caught it.
Yeah, the film is not very blatant about the fact that it Denver. Just some very subtle clues.
up coming show? better bring in Kevin.
Wow, wouldn't that be incredible! Do you think he would actually want to reprise his role as the Mariner??
1:32-1:38 it was a guy with a blowtorch working for years to melt the icecaps for this movie
Love the movie and the show
Heck yeah! They are both brilliant!
I loved waterworld so much that I developed a d20 role playing game based on the movie.
It was really fun. I wonder if I could patent it.
Aw, wow, that's a cool way of exploring waterworld fandom! I bet that is really fun to play!
When I was a kid I was watching syfy channel and they had water world and I noticed it was different then mine and I recorded it on vhs so all my friends would bage me for it lol
That's legendary! You're a real fan!
2:18 Fun fact: Elton John originally wrote the novel for Waterworld.
Haha! Max Allan Collins is definitely taking some cues from Sir Elton.
Linus Tech Tips channel often discusses how difficult it is to run old PC games and attempts to solve this problem.
I reccomend looking there
I actually got it running on my mac with a Dos emulator. In fact, I am scripting my video on the pc game as we speak, so keep an eye out for that in the coming weeks!
@@TheAtoll amazing!
Nothing man could ever do would cause this to happen
Man, I hope your right!
Large, slow moving comet impact. Knock the poles out of norm. Thus explaining how everest was in the tropics at the end.
I totally see that! Great fan theory!
@The Atoll only way I can see accumulating enough water to submerge the Himalayas....
Himalayas, the highest mountain range, the drylands, with places above 7600M sea level
Yes, I believe I make that very point at 7:56