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  • čas přidán 19. 08. 2024
  • Where is God in our suffering? In this message, Elisabeth Elliot examines the terrible realities of tragedy and loss and considers how we can reconcile them with the truth of God’s sovereignty and love.
    This message is from Elisabeth Elliot's 7-part teaching series Suffering is Not for Nothing: • Suffering Is Not For N...

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  • @biblicalgodisonlytruegod
    @biblicalgodisonlytruegod Před 4 lety +594

    She is the one who taught me that obedience is the highest form of worship.

    • @kingmufasa8929
      @kingmufasa8929 Před 4 lety +14

      That means keeping the commandments

    • @howardmanley3388
      @howardmanley3388 Před 4 lety +24

      Biblical GOD is only true GOD. I believe God doesn’t love us because of our obedience to Him, But because of his great love for us... ( just my opinion)

    • @biblicalgodisonlytruegod
      @biblicalgodisonlytruegod Před 4 lety +14

      Howard Manley.... Indeed! Once you have been JUSTIFIED, you have the desire and ability to be obedient. Man is not the determinator of his soul. God is. There is nothing man can do to get approval from God and enter into eternal life when we die. We are “saved” (from God’s punishment of sin) when God supernaturally GIVES us faith and repentance. “for by grace you are saved, through faith, and this (faith) is not of ourselves, but the gift of God, not of works... lest any man should boast.” (Eph.2:8-9) So, the very instant you recognize that Christ took the punishment that you deserve for your sin, it means God has given you the gift of eternal life. “And He opened their minds to understand”.
      Ezekiel 36:26 New International Version (NIV)
      26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
      So, I hope you understand what He did on the cross and ... that you are telling others! Witnessing is absolutely imperative to a Christian’s life.
      Dr. Kennedy said, that he could not believe anyone could claim to be filled with the Holy Spirit if not witnessing on a regular basis. The most exhilarating experiences of my life have been witnessing (being obedient even when I did not want to) and seeing God transform a human soul right before my eyes. What an honor to see that. He wants us to see that.
      Love in Christ.

    • @Sandy-jc3vv
      @Sandy-jc3vv Před 4 lety +11

      Oh my gosh, I had not heard that quote but whole heartedly agree. I remember that Jim Elliot and his team never considered fighting back if they were attacked.... u don't hear this teaching alot. I also have found in my greatest sorrow, God revealed Himself the most. I am an unworthy servant of Jesus🙏🙏🙏

    • @biblicalgodisonlytruegod
      @biblicalgodisonlytruegod Před 4 lety +10

      Sandy Speaks .... And the highest form of obedience... is WITNESSING! Must! Must! Must! It is as much for you as it is for the person you are witnessing. Just say... “May I tell you something wonderful?” No one ever says no. “ The instant you recognize what Jesus did on the cross, that he took the punishment FROM GOD that you deserve for your sin... God gives you the GIFT of eternal life!” That’s the gospel in one breath. We are OBEDIENT out of gratefulness that He ALLOWED us to understand! I’m convinced that witnessing is the most important daily activity for a Christian... and gives us “the fullness of Christ”... the most enjoyable, thrilling moments of our life! What an honor that God WANTS US, DIRECTS US, to participate in making a blind man see!

  • @kctechie
    @kctechie Před 3 lety +304

    I recall listening to Elizabeth Elliott on the radio and hearing her tell a story of one time when she was in a store like cloth world buying some material and one of the ladies behind the counter was very snappy and rude to her. She was tempted to explain to the woman she should not behave that way but instead asked her if she was having a bad day. The woman replied something like " yes my husband died a couple months ago and I found out just this morning I have cancer". Mrs Elliott was very glad she did not return the ladies anger as she had had no idea what the woman was going through.

    • @sinaident3563
      @sinaident3563 Před rokem +2

      😊 FF from this 😊 dear 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 f😊 to f😊f😊 for dr 🎉😊

    • @sylviacurl9585
      @sylviacurl9585 Před 11 měsíci

      I’m 😊

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci +2

      Still no excuse to be rude

    • @kctechie
      @kctechie Před 11 měsíci +11

      @@YeshuaKingMessiah while being overwhelmed by some of the worst things life can throw at a person may not be an excuse it's understandable to a reasonable person. Elliott, while giving that explanation for the woman, was not really addressing whether or not her attitude was justified by understandable and she was mainly saying WE should respond well as Christians, that is our duty, and not allow others to dictate our right response.

    • @davidschmidt270
      @davidschmidt270 Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@kctechie Amen.....what a horrible situation to find one's self.... horrible....we should always bless those people... hurting people hurt people... let's make the LORD proud by trying to help them ...I'm not saying becoming an idiot or a door matt ....but maybe giving a person like that next time, giving them a hug... asking if we can pray for them...
      👉🕊️🇮🇱🇺🇸🛐✝️🐧🌵

  • @johnbutterfield8076
    @johnbutterfield8076 Před 4 lety +184

    I loved her! She was my favorite Christian author. I heard her speak in person several times. One thing she said is my life motto:"I don't know what is God is doing, but I know that He knows what He is doing!"

    • @jeanettestilwell2369
      @jeanettestilwell2369 Před 4 lety +1

      Hello how are you doing John. I trust you are safe and in good health. God bless you.

    • @gracenmercy579
      @gracenmercy579 Před 4 lety

      Amen

    • @pierrelabounty9917
      @pierrelabounty9917 Před rokem +1

      None of this answers the mystery, but it encourages our faith to give through it. In the larger view of suffering, we are not at all responsible for it. Some we are by nature of sin.

    • @marianel7630
      @marianel7630 Před 11 měsíci

      I love what you say 🙏🤗

  • @kvdl4785
    @kvdl4785 Před 4 lety +232

    My favorite quote of hers is simply; "Do the next thing." In times of trial and uncertainty, I simply choose to do the next thing. That is, what I have been trained by my studies and time spent with the Lord. He is so faithful.

  • @pbv4932
    @pbv4932 Před 4 lety +290

    ‘She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.’
    Proverbs 31:26
    Thank you Elisabeth Elliot.
    God be praised!

    • @AmericanDreamer
      @AmericanDreamer Před 4 lety +5

      💯

    • @veronicachristopher-fellow5866
      @veronicachristopher-fellow5866 Před 3 lety

      She is an adulterer married 3 times she hasnt endured physical suffering nonsense absolute nonsense

    • @hils1015
      @hils1015 Před 3 lety +18

      @@veronicachristopher-fellow5866 How can anyone be an adulterer if their husband or wife died and then they got remarried? If her first husband was still alive and she got married to the second then she would certainly have been an adulterer.

    • @tammytrent9695
      @tammytrent9695 Před 3 lety +5

      I agree,I use to listen to her on Christian radio when I first got saved,and I learned a lot from her,soon as I seen this on CZcams I had to watch.🙌🙏

    • @w.j.castellanos8879
      @w.j.castellanos8879 Před 3 lety

      @@veronicachristopher-fellow5866 you are too

  • @charlesmccullar577
    @charlesmccullar577 Před 2 lety +123

    Listening to Elizabeth Elliott helped me get through the 1990's after my wife left me and our 3 sons her words were so inspiring. Thank God for her.

    • @Macabellie12Crash
      @Macabellie12Crash Před rokem +2

      How did got get you through this? I’m interested in your testimony. Please don’t feel pressured to answer.

    • @bobpaulino4714
      @bobpaulino4714 Před rokem

      I wish my ex (perfect use of 'birth person') would have just left. She brainwashed my son, physically beat my stepdaughter for remaining friends with the only dad (and her step mom who was truly more of a mom) that she ever knew,, and continued her pattern of drugging drinking, lying, thieving, and infidelity with several other boyfriends/ perhaps even another husband (or two?)

    • @saintejeannedarc9460
      @saintejeannedarc9460 Před rokem +1

      @@bobpaulino4714 That is rough, esp. when it affects the kids as well. I just went through an infidelity too and it ended 10 years. I am still healing and God knows how hard it can be. Only God can give us the strength. I don't have adequate words, because I know the deep excruciating pain and how it feels the grief won't end.

    • @bobpaulino4714
      @bobpaulino4714 Před rokem

      @@saintejeannedarc9460 I was truly blessed. Our Lord put my wife in my life when I had no interest in a relationship. We talked casually for months before she asked me to go to an 'unwedding reception'. A friend of hers had rented a hall for her wedding reception and the groom had backed out. The deposit was non refundable so they had a get together. This was in 1993. I had been single three years. It was a different world to be with someone I could trust. We've been married twenty eight years.
      My ex still spews hatred.
      My stepdaughter passed after a motorcycle incident in 2011. She wasn't talking to her birth person. I rarely ride due to an industrial injury, but when I do, or when my wife and I are around put in bay and the islands, which Scarlet loved, it's like she's with us
      Still pray that the ex can get her stuff straightened out -- God doesn't want anyone to perish ----

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci +1

      My husband died 8/31/1990
      He left me and 2 small children & a baby
      That’s how it felt, he left me. I was alone! And left with the 3.
      I hear u.

  • @honawikeepa5813
    @honawikeepa5813 Před 3 lety +76

    Beautiful. I married a beautiful woman that had two children to a previous violent relationship. Today we have 12 children that love Jesus. Three generations of her family were saved inside 2 years of our conversion, despite them not liking me at that time. I was raised on the Bible and given a great example from my step parents and grandfather. I was taken away from my parents as a baby. My life was difficult to say the least. However, I was not going to allow our children to go through what my wife and I went through prior to our getting married. God is great.

    • @LDAEIB
      @LDAEIB Před rokem +3

      Amen! God is good

    • @bibleprophecy4400
      @bibleprophecy4400 Před 11 měsíci

      That’s beautiful. Unfortunately I found 3 violent and abusive men, but I should have stayed with the last even though he wasn’t faithful I feel like I am being chastised but that’s not why, I wonder if my children would be better if I’d been a better example and just stayed and did my best.

    • @bibleprophecy4400
      @bibleprophecy4400 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Blew 20 years. Please 🙏 for my kids.

    • @mountaingirl6479
      @mountaingirl6479 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@bibleprophecy4400 I can’t imagine that God would want you to stay with a violent and abusive man. It could not have been good for your children. It sounds like you did the best you could by leaving them. I pray God will guide you now the Bible says God will . repay for the years the locusts have eaten. He can make up for the time you feel you have lost and somehow work good in your life. Listen to Elizabeth again, this is the.3rd or 4th time I have listened to this particular lecture, and I get more out of each time. God bless you!!

    • @reg8297
      @reg8297 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@bibleprophecy4400 u did your best by leaving him

  • @JoyCrossbridge
    @JoyCrossbridge Před 3 lety +173

    "There are a good many things in this life that we can't do anything ABOUT, but that God wants us to do something WITH."
    ~ Elisabeth Elliot
    What a profound paradigm shift in perspective that statement creates!!! It takes you immediately from an attitude of helpless victimhood to a dignified place of proactive grace!

    • @aawrnnc
      @aawrnnc Před rokem +5

      Love that. ❤ Thank you for sharing. Elizabeth Elliott spoke so much wisdom … and she did it with grace. That is one quote I’m hiding in my heart and will remember. ❤

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci +1

      I did try
      Lord knows I did try
      Alas to no end - at least visible

  • @mariaamaya2021
    @mariaamaya2021 Před 11 měsíci +6

    This God's daughter has suffered a lot. She is not a bitter person. Contrary, she is in peace and teaching others that Love and Suffering walk together. True and modern christians should learn and help others like her.
    God bless a lot Mr Elliot. From Nicaragua.

  • @claraartnow6645
    @claraartnow6645 Před 4 lety +156

    This lady truly transmits a relation of profound trust with God...

    • @abellizandro8743
      @abellizandro8743 Před 3 lety +3

      Amen, amen to that

    • @abellizandro8743
      @abellizandro8743 Před 3 lety +7

      There are some things we can do nothing about , but , God wants us to do something with

  • @kctechie
    @kctechie Před 3 lety +37

    One thing she said reminded me of Job 42:5 "I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear; But now my eye sees You;"
    suffering reveals God to us in ways "easy street" never could.

  • @janiceandreyka4902
    @janiceandreyka4902 Před 3 lety +75

    this is an excellent teaching on suffering. I have been ill since childhood, suffered many surgeries, and yet God blesses me with long life,, and still suffering as I go along... still realizing that God is in control and will count it all joy that I suffer and yet serve him.

  • @judithtordoir
    @judithtordoir Před 3 lety +52

    Obedience is the highest form of worship ~ Elizabeth Elliot. Thank you precious Woman of God. I needed to hear this after my son, Asher Isaac’s 1st Year Memorial on the 17th March 2021. He was only 33 years young. A precious young man who was born with eternity in his huge tender loving and very caring heart. Asher loved God and served Him since a teen, reaching out and witnessed to his friends and schoolmates... But God loved him so much more and wanted Asher back home with Him. Never knowing this most intense heart shattering pain, this message is speaking to me so deeply on many levels. 🙏🏼💙🌹🌿🌹🌿💔💔💔

    • @Elaphe472
      @Elaphe472 Před 2 lety

      "Obedience" is for lazy, non-brainy people. Think with your own mind; what is wrong with you lethargic, dull people?

    • @laureneeeedobbs1418
      @laureneeeedobbs1418 Před rokem +1

      I love you- I'm sorry your heart is breaking - God bless you and carry you always. HOPE.

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci +1

      He died March of 2020?
      What a very rough 2020 u had, indeed!
      My child died Feb 2010. I understand.

    • @carmabrown6125
      @carmabrown6125 Před 11 měsíci +1

      How touching

  • @joyvicary5596
    @joyvicary5596 Před 4 lety +86

    She answers all the relevant questions of suffering. Joy is not the absence of suffering but the presence of Jesus death and life. I appreciate her perspective. I wouldn’t see a reason for what I’ve been through except that Christ death and resurrection life was bigger than the selfishness intentioned toward me. Through death or life Christ brings victory.. I have a reason to live and love in the next life too.

    • @clairedelsweeney9172
      @clairedelsweeney9172 Před 4 lety

      Err not true

    • @jules9628
      @jules9628 Před 4 lety +1

      Amen

    • @deborahgrantham7387
      @deborahgrantham7387 Před 3 lety +2

      @Carol Ann Pinkerton And your point? Should she answer from someone else’s perspective? I only know Gods existence from my own experience and I met him my worst experience.

    • @deborahgrantham7387
      @deborahgrantham7387 Před 3 lety +1

      @@clairedelsweeney9172He is with me .

  • @phgjenn
    @phgjenn Před 3 lety +33

    Best series I have ever heard on suffering. Truly beautiful ... it reminds me of the transformation of a caterpillar to a butterfly. God does not leave you through the suffering, he TRANSFORMS YOU to the image of Christ. Looking back now, I would never chose to. remove the suffering in my life because it drew me close to Him in a way that was likely not possible without it.

    • @tonygarbellotto1926
      @tonygarbellotto1926 Před 3 lety +6

      we have 4 grown adult children & our eldest daughter is named Fleur Chrysalis Grace & has been strugling with anorexia for many years & continues totrust J E S U S. ♥️

    • @ldevries4026
      @ldevries4026 Před rokem

      ​@@tonygarbellotto1926
      Fleur is a beautiful name, Fleur is saved by Jezus, I wish you and your family strong, believe and. Freedom from everything you have by Jezus,
      He has given fish and bread,
      Wine and water,
      Cheese from animals and vegetables from the earth,
      We must hide by al the things he has given to us,
      Love and trust by the grace and true, 💕

    • @tim8971
      @tim8971 Před 8 měsíci

      Beautifully said. Thank you for this.

  • @jessicadyer684
    @jessicadyer684 Před 3 lety +13

    I had the privilege to meet this beautiful woman of God in 1998 when I was 21. She came to speak at our women's retreat. Her deep security in God and love for people just resonated from her. Grateful for her wisdom, compassion and obedience to God.

  • @avahoffer341
    @avahoffer341 Před rokem +12

    These are the most powerful words I have ever heard a contemporary speak on issue of God's apparent silence when His children - particularly the innocents among us - are suffering. I wish Elizabeth Elliot were still alive so I could thank her! May many more people be drawn to this site to be as blessed and comforted as I have surely been this day. I'm so grateful to Ligonier Ministries for sharing her words with us here.

  • @hopeeverlasting7213
    @hopeeverlasting7213 Před 3 lety +36

    Thank you, Ligonier Ministries, for blessing us with this 1989 video. Thank you, Lord, for the legacy of others that point us to You!

  • @MelissasCorner4110
    @MelissasCorner4110 Před 4 lety +44

    I wept hearing her voice. I listened to her broadcasts for many years and consider her a hero of the faith. Her teaching certainly helped shape my Christian walk. ❤️

    • @cheryl8286
      @cheryl8286 Před 3 lety +3

      I was a young girl when first read her book Through Gates of Splendor.. I love to read any of her writings. Im So Glad i found these videos!

    • @yellowp.7041
      @yellowp.7041 Před 3 lety +2

      All glory to God most high!

    • @Elaphe472
      @Elaphe472 Před 3 lety

      If you wept listening to her voice, I can't imagine how you must feel knowing that one million children are sold as sex slaves every year.

  • @joyceelmer2178
    @joyceelmer2178 Před 4 lety +155

    I use to love to listen listen to her on Christian Radio many years ago. A blessing to see and hear on You Tube now.

    • @tlafleur8433
      @tlafleur8433 Před 4 lety +16

      We can now listen to her stories in sequence on The Bible Broadcast Network, BBN, Videos on Demand or on BBN radio on weekdays. Find it online.

    • @charlynderrick1410
      @charlynderrick1410 Před 3 lety +1

      U k C

    • @RepentfollowJesus
      @RepentfollowJesus Před 3 lety

      @@tlafleur8433 oh thank you!!

    • @RepentfollowJesus
      @RepentfollowJesus Před 3 lety +1

      I used to listen in the 90s. How I have missed her.

    • @aftaransari9834
      @aftaransari9834 Před 3 lety

      H hiii;vt hyy gt bg bt by by by hyyy gt bbye by bbye ni mo mool koon koon koon mool bbye bhul bbye bhul bbye bbye hyyy hyyy hyyy your bbye bbye veer deep deep

  • @snipercheata
    @snipercheata Před 4 lety +24

    She really was a pillar of dignity.

  • @babyblue6743
    @babyblue6743 Před 3 lety +17

    Thankyou so much for this video. I’m a Christian and have never blamed God for anything, but have questioned why I’ve lost so many friends to death as serious illness.Also why it happened so close to each other. It’s affected me and my other friends. It makes me feel so sad. I keep trusting God, the walk isn’t easy, But doesn’t everyone have their problems and losses. My neighbour, who’s a friend, has had a sad life and now my longest standing friend from school, recently lost her husband in her 50s, I feel that God is drawing us close together for a reason

  • @rebeccagutierrez1960
    @rebeccagutierrez1960 Před 3 lety +41

    I sometimes feel that suffering is a favor God is doing for us to mold us.

    • @gotcha9983
      @gotcha9983 Před 3 lety +5

      I choose to see it that way ....now. as we mature it becomes obvious that God is doing all of this

    • @beloved96940
      @beloved96940 Před 3 lety +7

      That is so beautifully true. Look at his beloved son Jesus and how he suffered, but the favor upon him is unmatchable. Longsuffering is a fruit and part of the christian life.

    • @marniscofield4703
      @marniscofield4703 Před rokem +2

      i love the way you worded this - powerful and i needed this encouragement in my own life! 🙏

  • @jhahn6635
    @jhahn6635 Před 3 lety +21

    This testimony comfort my pain, anguish. . Have mercy on me God !

    • @tfeya777
      @tfeya777 Před 3 lety +3

      Hi. As I’m listening to this and reading comments, I ran across this one.
      I pray that God does have mercy on you and help you in whatever it is you were or are going through, that He in all things terrible bring forth things beautiful.
      Anguish is such a strong word. May your circumstances be used for His glory!

    • @jhahn6635
      @jhahn6635 Před 3 lety +1

      @@tfeya777 Oh, thank you Tatyana. . No Pain No Gain . . I'm just horrble guy. . Even don't tell children of Most high God. . I want keep calm and live just nomal life day by day. . Pray. . May God protect all people suffered Corona. .

    • @tfeya777
      @tfeya777 Před 3 lety +1

      @@jhahn6635 do tell your children about the Most High God!
      That is the biggest responsibility you’ve got. May God keep you in His peace in this very strange and uncertain times

    • @jhahn6635
      @jhahn6635 Před 3 lety +2

      @@tfeya777 I really appreciate your mend. . Plz pray for me.. I'm also have legal problem. . I also pray for all of you. . Prayer of righteous is powerful and efficient ! No cross no crown ! Thank you. . May God's mercy and grace be with all of you !

  • @charkay192
    @charkay192 Před 3 lety +33

    What an amazing woman! This is the very lesson my soul and heart has been screaming for, and yet i feel this is too advanced for me.. God help me understand.. or trust, and obey!!❤💜 thankyou for this uplpad..

    • @kekeliahiable6775
      @kekeliahiable6775 Před 3 lety +1

      Amen

    • @babyblue6743
      @babyblue6743 Před 3 lety +1

      Char Kay yes we’re here to learn. We need things to go wrong to keep us in line, and to connect more with our creator

  • @edwardwicks304
    @edwardwicks304 Před 3 lety +14

    Boy did I find comfort and encouragement in this talk...

  • @eloiseramsey9276
    @eloiseramsey9276 Před 3 lety +10

    My suffering helps me release this world and look forward to taking my place as a citizen of heaven. To my surprise many Christians don't see this as the wonderful miracles it was. I didn't become suicidal, just a woman who could see life after death, free from the ties of this world and graceful to be free. This is salvation, Im
    free and live this life in that freedom. Not looking for heaven on earth anymore, but knowing home through christ is with me. I thank God for the suffering that brought me to christ, just as his suffering made him my savior. Suffering makes us the diamonds God what us to be.

  • @Gospel4Truth
    @Gospel4Truth Před 4 lety +53

    This speech is so real not like the theologian's mere theoretical speech on suffering . This can comfort anyone in depth.

    • @gaetan7774
      @gaetan7774 Před 2 lety

      Yes the way she speaks is simple enough for anyone to understand. It is meek and not holier than thou. It's the real thing. So needed in this fallen world.

  • @taminsocal3084
    @taminsocal3084 Před 4 lety +51

    The greatest thing that helps me to suffer & endure is to know that I must die to self. There can be no more of us left, only Christ. If you read all the scriptures that entail dying to oneself you will be comforted in your afflictions & you will be able to endure until the end. Christ will be here any moment , please hold fast intil the end. We are buried with Christ, it is no longer I who live but Christ lives through me. Make Christ Lord over your life & let Him live through you. Its the only way to live & survive these end times.

  • @tracesofheaven-giftbandit3094

    Love Elizabeth Eliot and miss this godly woman's wisdom. The Lord greatly used her during a life altering, transforming time in my life, especially via her books *(Passion and Purity)*
    I almost got to see her speak at a local Christian school and regret not going and meeting her in person.
    I'm grateful for this gentle, humble, godly, wise, imperfect saint .... *who did speak to men and women, who was read by men and women, but was never, ever referred to by men and women (nor herself) as a pastor!*
    Jussss sayin' 😁 Thank you Ligonier for posting... it brought me way back to a wonderful time in my walk.

    • @donniejohnson457
      @donniejohnson457 Před 4 lety +1

      PRAISE THE LORD!!!🙏😊

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci

      I had a wonderful time in my walk too!
      Not for decades now, but I did!
      Wow, TY for that realization - I am lost lately but I can hold that in my heart

  • @donnawilcock5774
    @donnawilcock5774 Před 4 lety +13

    This precious lady was a great mentor of mine through her writings and radio program. I bless God for her life and her ministry to so many, many lives over the years. She ALWAYS pointed to our Savior and I know Him better because of her.

  • @traciv520
    @traciv520 Před 4 lety +53

    Blessed to see and hear this women. I came across her about a year ago and have listened read and searched for more of her wisdom. Her love and devotion to Jesus is such an encouragement to me.

    • @thomashanks3255
      @thomashanks3255 Před 4 lety +3

      Hello how are you doing Traci. I trust you are safe and in good health. God bless you.

    • @darlynnarush5183
      @darlynnarush5183 Před 4 lety +1

      Amen!

    • @walkingrighthere3851
      @walkingrighthere3851 Před 4 lety +2

      Did you know there are many of her teachings on Blue Letter Bible?! Hope you find them and are as blessed as I have been❤️

    • @thomashanks3255
      @thomashanks3255 Před 4 lety

      Hey Traci.

    • @mercyk6064
      @mercyk6064 Před 4 lety +2

      Oh how I love this woman also .. currently reading some of her books.

  • @josiechoywong4097
    @josiechoywong4097 Před 3 lety +9

    We REST on Thee. Our SHIELD and our defender. THINE is the BATTLE. THINE shall be the PRAISE. When PASSING through the Gates of pearly splendor. VICTORS, we stay with Thee through endless days.
    Shalom Elisabeth from Peru.

  • @DannyJeanL
    @DannyJeanL Před 3 lety +11

    Incredibly profound discussion on something so painful. It shows great humility to not provide an answer for suffering, but with empathy leave us with the thought that it isn't meaningless. There is fruit born of suffering, as in beauty from heaps of ashes 🙏

  • @1000virag
    @1000virag Před 3 lety +3

    Wow, I have found this sermon today at the time of the US election debates. I live inn Central Europe so I often cannot understand how far you Americans have fallen from your once adorable intellectual qualities. Dear Ligonier Ministries, thank you! It is crystal clear that our suffering from socialist regimes makes us wiser to fight for our íChristian qualities. Thank you Elisabeth, rest in peace, Agnes

    • @marileelockwood5408
      @marileelockwood5408 Před 3 lety +2

      Hello Agnes, I am a Christian and American and I want to tell you that what you might be seeing on the news from America is not representative of most people here. I live in the Southwest and in a small town and we have no problems here and people are kind to each other and respect the law. The protests I see on the news are very strange to me as well. I have been praying a lot for our country and would like to ask you to pray for us. I believe a lot of the things have been set up to cause division and unrest. I want to share with you that I lived in Germany in the early 90’s and we went on many wonderful trips. Europe has a special place in my heart and my fourth child was born there. I am thankful to God for my time there. God bless you and I will continue to pray for my Christian brothers and sisters in Europe. 💖

    • @1000virag
      @1000virag Před 3 lety +1

      @@marileelockwood5408 Hi MariLee, great to have you! I am so sorry for the brainwashing media ruling the US.Biden already stated his agressive measures against my country and Poland,he will de-christianize our countries. Let's pray together,is there an online prayer group, I would love it! God bless you!

    • @marileelockwood5408
      @marileelockwood5408 Před 3 lety +1

      Ágnes Németh Agnes hello! Thankyou so much for your reply!💗 If it is ok can you tell me what country you are in? Is it France ? I heard that Macron was making illegal all homeschooling and children must go to state school with no teaching on God or the Bible. Yes and I have heard that Poland is very Christian. I do get one you tube channel from Germany that is Christian. Yes , America sadly has been brainwashed by the media, it is very terrible. I don’t watch the mainstream news media at all and I don’t have a television. I only listen to Christian station on radio and look at you tube. The recent elections here was such a cheating sham. Please keep praying. The person’s that think they won are evil. I am so glad that you are on this channel. I love Elisabeth Elliot. The Lord brought this channel to me last night. I am so thankful to Him. Yes a Bible study would be wonderful!

    • @1000virag
      @1000virag Před 3 lety

      ​@@marileelockwood5408 Dear MariLee, Thank you, we rejoice in God :-) I'd love to chat online we have many things in common. On facebook I am agi.nemeth75, we can videochat if you agree. God bless you!

    • @SuperAcidity
      @SuperAcidity Před 3 lety +1

      @@marileelockwood5408 I am in Nairobi, Kenya and I'm in a group of brethren standing in the gap for the USA and President Trump.

  • @coryjones8473
    @coryjones8473 Před 4 lety +103

    How would we long for perfection if we didn't experience imperfections? Truly the Lord has put a desire for something in our hearts that this current world cannot satisfy. We can sit in the slumps or follow him. If you want justice, don't wallow and complain, be thankful that you have a mind to want something so reasonable. Then pursue Him Who is Just. The Healer. The All Understanding. The All Powerful. The Great Knowing Knower of All Things. Lord, may we be like those who saw Life beyond the guillotine.

    • @TheKing-qz9wd
      @TheKing-qz9wd Před 4 lety +1

      We wouldn't need to long for it is how.

    • @coryjones8473
      @coryjones8473 Před 4 lety +7

      @@TheKing-qz9wd I was just speaking my mind and what I know to be true. Not looking for an argument or a back and forth.

    • @myrrhwitheunice2291
      @myrrhwitheunice2291 Před 4 lety +10

      Thanks for your very wise and insightful words Cory!

    • @melaniaarias5642
      @melaniaarias5642 Před 4 lety +6

      Amén

    • @Soo_Blessed
      @Soo_Blessed Před 4 lety +5

      Powerful words So true

  • @adelalax3553
    @adelalax3553 Před 4 lety +34

    Philippians 1:21 for me to live is Christ and to die is gain.
    There’s no suffering or pain in between that compares to the glorious life waiting for those who fear and love Christ 😘😘😘

  • @taminsocal3084
    @taminsocal3084 Před 4 lety +9

    It has been granted for us not only to believe in Him but also to suffer for His sake.

  • @gotcha9983
    @gotcha9983 Před 3 lety +9

    Thank you for sharing this. I am hungry for this. God is with me and helping me through a 40 year storm. I am brave and courageous going further into God Path and it is not easy 🙏 please pray for me

    • @kwkw5711
      @kwkw5711 Před rokem +1

      Lord have mercy. Christ have mercy. Lord have mercy.

  • @ramieyaharris
    @ramieyaharris Před 4 lety +33

    Wow.... I have to listen again. I'm in awe right now of the excellency of the God's word. It's so profound. The way I look at suffering will forever be the same. God cannot be blamed nor will He ever be convinced a liar. There are two realms: the natural and the spiritual. The word of God is to be applied not just to our current situations but also to those things that we can't see. Okay, let me go and study this some more...

  • @debsguitar2
    @debsguitar2 Před rokem +6

    Elisabeth Elliot is my very favorite person to listen to. She has so much insight. I didn't know of her until recently, so now I'm catching up. I'm so thankful for her teachings and one day I will meet her in heaven

  • @naomijansen9544
    @naomijansen9544 Před 3 lety +10

    Thank you for this clear teaching that suffering and the love of God cannot be seperated.

  • @rma3_3_3
    @rma3_3_3 Před 4 lety +15

    I had the honor of meeting Elizabeth Elliot in NY many years ago! A day I won't ever ever forget!

  • @beverleybrangman2191
    @beverleybrangman2191 Před 3 lety +8

    I also listened to Elizabeth on BBN, and have been greatly blessed, thank you

  • @mommininalaska4911
    @mommininalaska4911 Před 4 lety +21

    Just finished her book Let Me Be A Woman. Loved it! ❤

  • @ritareilly8548
    @ritareilly8548 Před 2 lety +3

    What a precious saint! Her life and testimony still touches the hearts and lives of many. She is an example of living well for Jesus Christ!

  • @daniellekrammel4211
    @daniellekrammel4211 Před rokem +1

    Watching this message in 2023- absolutely timeless- and I want my daughter to watch it when she is old enough.

  • @brucehersey9395
    @brucehersey9395 Před 3 lety +52

    This was a lady my wife Debbie and I were able to know when we were at Gordon College. We were blessed by her investment in our life.

  • @kelsoamistad9145
    @kelsoamistad9145 Před 4 lety +12

    I like the message and the speaker. She speaks very very clearly from her heart.

  • @davidwiita7054
    @davidwiita7054 Před 4 lety +70

    'Whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, ..things of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.' -Philippians. 4:8. The Holy Bible

    • @Eidann63
      @Eidann63 Před 4 lety +2

      Amen.

    • @biblicalgodisonlytruegod
      @biblicalgodisonlytruegod Před 4 lety +3

      David Wiita ...Thank you. I needed this reminder. Too easy to watch the news.

    • @davidwiita7054
      @davidwiita7054 Před 4 lety

      @@biblicalgodisonlytruegod Only True God YES! Spirits of Demons pose as 'gods' and ensnare many hundreds of millions sadly. Blessings.

    • @davidwiita7054
      @davidwiita7054 Před 4 lety

      @bearpapie69 Charlatans say such things and fools and gullible simpletons believe them. These are evil. Of such are many of our Presidents Spiritual Advisors. Sad.

    • @SherryKWillette
      @SherryKWillette Před 4 lety +1

      Amen

  • @chrissyandjoey28
    @chrissyandjoey28 Před rokem +2

    Glory to GOD🙌🏼 this was beautiful and well spoken. I suffered greatly throughout my lifetime and Christ Jesus delivered my out of all my sufferings and through my sufferings, Christ Jesus met me there and through each one that always seemed worse than the last, He was always there🙌🏼 He formed a relationship and a need for Him at all times and how can I compare my sufferings to the Glory that was revealed in me through Christ Jesus? The Joy alone that I met Christ Jesus and know His compassion, His Love, understanding, I now know and He gifted me with all these things but the greatest gift of all I received was Love. Thank You my Lord my God 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

  • @carrier7399
    @carrier7399 Před 4 lety +5

    We all suffer here on Earth. We are here to LEARN and LOVE, regardless of our sufferings, and we are all at different levels of learning. God ALWAYS turns something bad into something good and we should always count our blessings and pray continually. My mother used to say: "When you are feeling sorry for yourself, stop and think that there is always somebody that's worse off than you."

    • @Elaphe472
      @Elaphe472 Před 3 lety

      There is a page on internet about psychopath that torture and rape babies. Tell these babies (all of whom die because of hemorrage) that this will "turn into something good".

    • @susanawright7757
      @susanawright7757 Před rokem +1

      ​@@Elaphe472God has held them in His arms and resurrected them in a new spiritual body in heaven where there is no more evil, no sin, no death, no sickness, no more tears. And God says vengeance is mine says the Lord. And it will be worse than anything we could do to them

  • @missmem4896
    @missmem4896 Před 4 lety +13

    I thank God for Elizabeth and her ministry, she's wonderful.

  • @naomijansen9544
    @naomijansen9544 Před 3 lety +6

    I love their testimony. Thank you Elizabeth Elliot. Father God I glorify You for her life example.

  • @merrilynteague3533
    @merrilynteague3533 Před 4 lety +24

    From one missionary to another, except am single not married, I understand and heartily echo the teaching of Elizabeth, in acceptance is Peace. Jesus is our Peace. Yes it's not in a theory or philosophy but in the Man Christ Jesus, the I AM, the Lover of our souls. Romans 8:28-29 is true!
    Have read all Elizabeth's books with great interest and always wondered of her daughter Valerie. So glad to hear that she loves Jesus and the Lord has blessed her with a good husband and they have four children to give to Elizabeth to enjoy the wonders and beauty of children, as I do!

  • @connieoermann3592
    @connieoermann3592 Před 4 lety +28

    This was wonderful!
    So timely! So rich..packed full of all the nutrients my soul needs right now.
    I hope you post more of her teachings on suffering. Thank you!

  • @Nightmare-4-9
    @Nightmare-4-9 Před 4 lety +38

    Glory to God I have been suffering for 2 and a half years now with what I'm dealing with thxs for this mesg

    • @tonyschwartz6712
      @tonyschwartz6712 Před 4 lety +14

      Merciful Father, we pray that you will give Christopher the strength to endure and overcome the adversity in his life. Please comfort him Lord Jesus and allow him to feel your presence in this storm in Jesus's name we do pray this day.🙏
      Suffering does help us grow spiritually, but I personally know how awful & painful physical suffering is and I'm very sorry. I still suffer, but experienced a miracle as well and I hope the same will happen for.you too. Peace be with you, Christopher.:)

    • @dotpierce2328
      @dotpierce2328 Před 3 lety

      Have you ever listen to Johnny Erickson she's a paraplegic and she's an awesome speaker and a great Christian you you should listen to her she's so good.

    • @Nightmare-4-9
      @Nightmare-4-9 Před 3 lety

      @@dotpierce2328 I will try thxs God bless you all

    • @barbsmart7373
      @barbsmart7373 Před 3 lety

      Christopher Heck.
      You are not alone.
      Some sufferng is almost too much to bear.
      Do you feel you are growing in faith and love.
      I just know things get better, but not in the time frame we ourselves would have chosen.

  • @nkennethdaniel
    @nkennethdaniel Před 4 lety +5

    What a life she lived. Incredible difficulty, suffering and pain, coupled by equally incredible faith and assurance, evidencing a walk with God that allows one to keep moving forward through the deepest difficulties, even when neither God, nor His plan can be seen. I know her observation to be correct that it is in the terrible crucible of our deepest pain that I believe that we find ourselves closest to an ever present God and most susceptible to growth in our walk with Him.

  • @nateanajustice9908
    @nateanajustice9908 Před 3 lety +4

    Such a beautiful pure heart. She speaks with such wisdom and love.

  • @edwardoneil3962
    @edwardoneil3962 Před 3 lety +4

    God help us all with our suffering Amen.

  • @jocelynegacuma4296
    @jocelynegacuma4296 Před 3 lety +5

    🎀🕯️ Thank you for sharing your story. It's encouraging through life's storms.
    Faith is the shield for battles, my love for God is to live by faith.
    🕊️☁️ God bless

  • @colleenmitchell5003
    @colleenmitchell5003 Před rokem +2

    I'm so deeply touched by her explanation of suffering..it makes so much sense. I read briefly about her husband.. in this year 2022..her suffering was not in vain.

    • @susannabonke8552
      @susannabonke8552 Před rokem

      We will meet and say: did it not serve our perfection?

  • @lizgichora6472
    @lizgichora6472 Před 3 lety +3

    I love her teachings, the explanation of Suffering and God beside it all " I AM", thank you.

  • @kimjohnson8471
    @kimjohnson8471 Před 3 lety +3

    This message may be from the past but it is a RIGHT NOW word. Ty for posting. God bless you

  • @carriecosner8166
    @carriecosner8166 Před 3 lety +4

    So appreciated listening to Gateway to Joy over the years. So thankful for Elisabeth Elliot's words of wisdom that still help me keep my focus on Jesus.

  • @melissaduranestrada8943
    @melissaduranestrada8943 Před rokem +4

    Listening to the suffering of the other individuals she mentioned make me realize how my problems are close to nothing. Nevertheless, I will continue to trust in the Lord and be obedient.

  • @tonypino5415
    @tonypino5415 Před rokem +2

    "Can you look at the data and believe." That hit me right in the chest.

  • @kathystammen8774
    @kathystammen8774 Před 3 měsíci

    I ordered this for my sister. I’m so thankful for her wisdom.

  • @MrHizzodrizzo
    @MrHizzodrizzo Před 3 lety +1

    The Psalms and those Psalms particularly of David brought me so much peace and comfort. For David went through so much sorrow and grief, trouble and loneliness that he vividly describes with candid detail. If God delivered and restored David from all his troubles, particularly the troubles of the soul, He can deliver us from our troubles. I love Psalm 63 as of late, "O God, you are my God; I earnestly search for you. My soul thirsts for you; my whole body longs for you in this parched and weary land where there is no water. I have seen you in your sanctuary and gazed upon your power and glory. Your unfailing love is better than life itself; how I praise you! I will praise you as long as I live, lifting up my hands to you in prayer."
    Psalms 63:1‭-‬4 NLT

  • @pennybonbon4453
    @pennybonbon4453 Před 11 měsíci +1

    WOW thank you Elisabeth God Bless 🙏🏿🙏🏿❤️

  • @mason82389
    @mason82389 Před 4 lety +2

    I was suffering through my life but God told me upfront that something is going to happen to you but do not be afraid for I will be with you.
    How Great is He...
    I journaled a lot... as you can imagine🤗😏

  • @50acrewood
    @50acrewood Před 3 lety +7

    My husband has fibromyalgia and was diagnosed when he was 12 and he is 32 today and still suffers greatly, he desires to work and tries to get jobs but can’t hold them down for long before he becomes very sick again. We pray trusting that God is sovereign and he tells us in Romans 8:28 All things work together for good to those who are called according to his purposes. Also Romans 12:1-2. He desires to do ministry but is so sick 90% of the time he is t sure he will be able to work for another 6 months but he does have a few job prospects in the next 2 weeks we hope by God’s grace comes to fruition.

    • @susanawright7757
      @susanawright7757 Před rokem +2

      My mother healed from fibromyalgia eating macrobiotics natural healing way of life.

    • @amandawhisnant2270
      @amandawhisnant2270 Před rokem

      First of all, you and your husband need to both confess and repent of any sin you may have in your life; ask God to search both of your hearts, if either one of you do not have sin, fine.
      Go to your husband and lay your hands on him, and command, in the name of Jesus Christ, for those spirits of fibromylagia, pain, sickness and weakness to leave. Plead the blood of Jesus over both of you and be determined to be under the authority of Jesus Christ.
      Jesus Christ died so that we could have healing

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci

      Perhaps eat low carb, even keto
      It’s incredible what it does for fibro!
      And def seek His healing as He has given us for His glory
      Cling to Him, dear wife, thruout it all

  • @gracenmercy579
    @gracenmercy579 Před 4 lety +36

    I have read several of her books, my goodness. So much wisdom in her books.

    • @francesmcmillan7596
      @francesmcmillan7596 Před 4 lety +4

      As a young woman, I was profoundly affected by one of her books.

  • @cherylbaker3353
    @cherylbaker3353 Před 4 lety +7

    Thank you for such a beautiful message I can’t hold in the tears

  • @DarcieGlam
    @DarcieGlam Před 4 lety +3

    This is a timely word. I used to work with her nephew. What a wonderful family.

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci

      I can imagine her family was a huge reason why she is exactly who she is
      Bless ur good parents & gparents if u had them!

  • @pedrovides5475
    @pedrovides5475 Před 4 lety +8

    Intelectualy we will never understand, but when we know Jesus we accept with joy and peace

  • @enamhanna9345
    @enamhanna9345 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you sooo much for having this video. I didn’t know how Elizabeth Eliot looks like but now I do. What a subject to hear and to know , pain and suffering.
    Thank you again.

  • @CoverageStation
    @CoverageStation Před 3 lety +1

    One well-respected woman who always gave sound counsel.

  • @johntobey1558
    @johntobey1558 Před 11 měsíci +1

    This us truly ahead of its time
    A husband who introduces his celebrity wife. Truly a class act.

  • @thegloryofthecreator9897
    @thegloryofthecreator9897 Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you, woman of GOD. What a beautiful, beautiful, message.
    OUR LORD allowed Me to listen to you this day, due to the suffering and affection I am going through. Which is minor, compared to what so many others have, and are going through .There is upliftment, and a boost in courage from you, your life is precious, your messages spoke to me deeply. Thank you for your words of WISDOM. GOD OUR FATHER BLESS YOU .

  • @tintswalochristiannkuna5637

    If it all starts and ends with what God has done on the cross, then all is well. It doesn't matter what I go through here on earth the battle has been won already.

  • @harrietalthouse516
    @harrietalthouse516 Před rokem

    Many years ago, I heard Elisabeth Elliot speak at the First Congregational Church in New Hampshire & often wondered what life held in store for her. So I was happy to stumble upon this UTube. My husband died from cancer like her 2nd. She is so awesome & a great Faith Builder! I've subscribed.

  • @delorestaylor8114
    @delorestaylor8114 Před 4 lety +1

    This dear woman mentored me through the radio ministry during the 80’s and 1990’s. Her calm and decisive attitude was a picture of strength in my tumultuous life. The faithful ministry of Elizabeth and other servants of Christ were a shining light to guide me through God’s word. Grace and honor, a woman after God’s heart, just as King David.

  • @gaymichaelis7581
    @gaymichaelis7581 Před 3 lety +1

    I had never heard of this great sister, Elizabeth Elliot, before! But happy that I know of her now! Very wonderful this video and hearing her speak! Thank you very much!

  • @stephenburnaman5247
    @stephenburnaman5247 Před rokem

    I read Through Gates of Splendor in the early 1990s when I was still a graduate student. I still listen to Elisabeth Elliott on BBN. Her Godly and inspiring words still speak to generations.

  • @karenpinto4107
    @karenpinto4107 Před 3 lety

    I find This lady is very humble and well-spoken. knows her subject well at the end very genuine Christian lady thank God for you because you say in truth

  • @nancybaumgartner6774
    @nancybaumgartner6774 Před rokem +1

    Elisabeth has more poise and courage in her pinky toe nails than I have in my whole body.

  • @lynnlink4629
    @lynnlink4629 Před 4 lety +2

    Met this couple several times in my life, personally. Elisabeth Elliot Gren wrote me letters. Elisabeth's book Through Gates of Splender touched my life as a young woman. In Eternity will be in touch with Lars and Elisabeth. A 'Wonderful!' gift from GOD will be saints like Lars and Elisabeth in the neighborhood! Jim and Addison. All, and countless others, living forever lives that demonstrate the WAY, JESUS MESSIAH, that bring Glory to GOD! LIFE's purpose! GLORY to GOD!

    • @YeshuaKingMessiah
      @YeshuaKingMessiah Před 11 měsíci

      And my Jim and my child who died at 20, 20 yrs after her daddy
      And Keith Green
      And Rob Skiba
      And many others we can’t name
      But most of all, Y’shua!!!!!!

  • @MikeAcousticMusic
    @MikeAcousticMusic Před rokem +1

    Starting this series my brother shared it with me and my wife and I will listen. 😊

  • @cherylbean521
    @cherylbean521 Před 3 lety +2

    She made the choice to trust inspite of questions.

  • @themulticraftsinnovator7523

    Beautifully expressed...... really blessed me hearing it.

  • @cece3194
    @cece3194 Před 4 lety +14

    Why do people have to hurt? I'm tired of hurting. I'm so tired of it.

    • @TheKing-qz9wd
      @TheKing-qz9wd Před 4 lety +10

      Because pain is a reminder that things aren't as they should be

    • @SabrinaMcGrommel
      @SabrinaMcGrommel Před 4 lety +9

      Seek comfort in the Lord. He is a refuge to all who call upon His name.

    • @cece3194
      @cece3194 Před 4 lety +4

      @@TheKing-qz9wd we chose it. We suffer. With Christ, there will be an end to suffering. With Jesus we have Hope and a future. . That's the Truth. Thanks for the reminder, but it still hurts sometimes.

    • @cece3194
      @cece3194 Před 4 lety +1

      @@SabrinaMcGrommel thank you. I do.

    • @kb27787
      @kb27787 Před 4 lety +1

      Just be thankful that you're not in Hell right now, because, really, that's what you really deserve. You seem to forget that "people" as it were, are an accursed race who has fallen short of fulfilling the purpose they were created--to glorify its Creator (yes, and that is what it's meant by "falling short of the glory of God). I personally would be exceedingly surprised at the fact that a just and sovereign God does allow some people to have times where they don't hurt... to say nothing of the surprise at His providing atonement on the cross.

  • @kenzeier2943
    @kenzeier2943 Před 4 lety +6

    Very kindly personality. Obviously good character.

  • @emmagabia5040
    @emmagabia5040 Před 4 lety +20

    Amen
    heal our Land 🇸🇽💚💛❤️️🇸🇽
    Philippines

  • @DinahReviews
    @DinahReviews Před 3 lety +1

    THANKFUL for these videos. Thankful. Thankful. Thankful.

  • @pauldoddy9714
    @pauldoddy9714 Před rokem +1

    A much needed message I needed to hear! Thank you for this priceless message!

  • @johnnicholas1488
    @johnnicholas1488 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks. Through suffering I learned kindness.
    The Sweet Lady of Gaudalupe came to me, full of kindness and love, and carried me to Jesus , our savior.
    Suffering is the crucible in which kindness is forged.

  • @donnafalls6378
    @donnafalls6378 Před 3 lety +4

    There is suffering because suffering is part of the sin problem. But... one day.... all suffering will be gone. All pain will be gone. All sin will be gone. God shall wipe away all tears. Oh, for that glorious day.

  • @TheSLK1973
    @TheSLK1973 Před 4 lety +1

    Listening now....God is my strength 👊

  • @pianogal853
    @pianogal853 Před rokem

    Its so lovely to hear her voice again ❤