DIY Turbo Manifold: Part 2 - Pipe Fitting.
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2021
- In this episode, I'm taking the information from the plastic model developed in episode 79 and transforming it into pipe. Lots of detailed work to get the fit right and tacked up ready for the next step...welding this all together.
Weld Els were from Ace Race Parts - they don't sponsor the channel - but they're great to deal with and ship to Canada.
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www.thingiverse.com/thing:488... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I can see myself sweeping everything off the table trying to do this 😅
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Awesome! Thank you!
I don’t comment nearly enough, relative to how often I watch your videos, but I just wanted to say how much I have learned from you, and how much I enjoy your content. Thanks!
Thanks Ryan - much appreciated.
As a former sheet metal worker.....you are working to a higher standard than I ever achieved...and I was working to a higher standard than pretty much everyone else in the union!
High praise indeed. The lengths I go to to keep sane. Cheers.
I’m glad you left the plastic aligners in place. They will melt and stick but should knock out when it’s tacked.
And they did!
I think a lot of people fail to see the amount of natural talent needed to do these kinds of things.. being able to go from zero experience to a quality finished product? outstanding...
Thanks - much appreciated.
Some folks edit out the mistakes and challenges. I appreciate you being real. Love the channel!
Honestly - to me, this is the important content. I hope it helps give some insight into the real challenges that we all face with these projects.
Watch the next video! Things get real when I try to weld this thing up! Should be out next week.
My wife came into the room and asked me why I am always watching Canadians working on cars. I didnt even realize it until she asked. I guess I Iike Canadians- maybe its because my dad listened to Gordon Lightfoot all the time, and I listened to Rush all the time. Anyway, I am enjoying every minute of your build and I can wait to see it finished. Plus I think you said the car is called a Canadian so that a bonus. There arent enough of these sexy Volvos on the road.
Thanks, much appreciated. Rush I can get behind big time. In Canada the Amazon was called a Canadian and I'm not sure why or what the story was for this market.
6:30 that is the most slick trick I've seen in a while! 3rd video from your channel and I'm liking it. Absolute goals
Thanks - glad it was useful.
As soon as I read "The Sound of Silence", the phrase "Make the noise..." from BOM came to mind. Thanks for the videos! Keep 'em coming!
That's the little in-joke.
Super nice ……. What a pleasure to invite us in so we can distract you. Better chance the manifold will stay on the bench that way. And I didn’t hear one single curse along the way 👍👍😎👍👍
Thanks Joel...I get distracted really easily. It's easier to talk than work!
Woow, so impressive considering this is just a hobby for you. You patients is incredible.
Thanks - it's coming along nicely.
Craig, brilliant as always! Thanks for the shout out, hope the change was worth it.
LOL - thought you'd like that Alan. It did make a difference. I think in the end I should be able to get the dogbone out and it's got lot so of clearance now for adjustment.
Your patience is truly inspiring!
Thank you!
Thanks for making the tube models available. I'll definitely printing a set when I make headers for my turboed 47 Dodge truck project. Putting masking tape on the joints you're not welding helps conserve expensive argon. Surprisingly the heat does not affect as badly as one would think. I just peel back about an inch where I'm welding.
Good tip on the tape and argon.
Great work, I used to make the manifolds for TVR many years ago, your doing a great job.
All-Around, well done! Your presence, presentation and performance is completely awe inspiring. Thank you, thank you and of course, thank you!
Thanks for the kind words 🙏
Great work, loving your build series!
Glad you enjoy it!
Love your videos man. You literally make the best car build videos on YT
I appreciate that! Just doing what I can to share.
Man, your header is beautiful. You really work great, Bravo!
Thank you very much!
This is so completely awesome.... You do incredible work... And give even better advice...... 😉
Thank you so much 😀
Subscribed. Your videos are so incredibly interesting and enlightening. Love to see your mistakes and listen to your very honest and real dialog. We are both engineers and enjoy listening to your approaches and solutions to problems! Great work.
Thanks for the positive words. Mistakes are the real teachers...I guess I welcome them because they are not negative to me.
Beautiful work👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Great job, might need to start printing those models up for future use
Rest assured the next time you make this part it will be much much easier. Keeping the good work.
Here's to hoping for no next times! I hope the manifold lasts. I do have enough left-overs for a future project.
I learn so much. Thanks for sharing.👍
Awesome - glad to have you watching.
dood that was one of the best thanks from an aspiring master tech / tuner builder
I always listen if people take the time to comment - they have something to say.
@@ThrottleStopGarage Northern Boxer Technologies (TM) coming soon we specialize in Subaru
Great detail 👍
Thanks 👍
You sir are amazing... validates my next purchase... a 3D printer!
Go for it!
You are way too smart for the work that you're doing good job keep it up
LOL - it's not my day job!
Love the videos!
Thanks
Beauty full
Awesome work this reminds me of the Falcon 9 SpaceX launch pad it had three pivot points using three knuckles where when the rocket sits horizontal and starts raising up vertical had figure out all the angles. Awesome work i love it when theres staggered offsets and still making sure everything is perfect. And on the landing ive always knife edge mine even when you butt them up no gap you still get a good fusion even without adding wire or no gap.
The technique worked well. I'm welding them up right now and fusion was good - faults were mine.
You should invest in some TPU material for your 3D printed tube rings.
It’s stiff but pliable so you won’t have to constantly trim to size for every pipe, you can just squeeze them into place!
Awesome build man!😁👍🏾
Thanks for the tip! I was thinking that even a small hook shape that would flex instead of a bump would also work.
@@ThrottleStopGarage No problem man! Also, TPU can also take high temps (up to 400 degrees I think). Anyways, keep up the great work!👍🏾
Nice job bro
really enjoyed your comments on stainless and it's welding properties. I blew a hole though some Chinese stainless recently. I had to tack it up.. one every 10 minutes :) got it closed eventually.. that was with a MIG :)
Yup - tune in to the next episode to watch me screw up (so far) one runner by being a little impatient. I'll fix it - but it doesn't feel good to fail.
Killer talent
Thanks!
Looks amazing, I'd love to see this thing in person!
One day - most of my motivation comes from a plan for a Pacific Western North America drive!
@@ThrottleStopGarage it should be a blast when you get it done
@@AndyFromm I sure do hope so.
@@ThrottleStopGarage
Wife: you like working on stuff
Me: I don't.
Wife: then why do you do it?
Me: I like what all that work creates. I don't always enjoy the process but I enjoy the results.
@@AndyFromm So true.
That is one good looking manifold! Last weld will be interesting, not much room near the collector.
Should be fine...just not easy.
Bet I’ve been watching ur videos for a day now
Thanks.
Taking breaks is important! We sould learn to take breaks.
I've been building my own tubular manifold today and it's been so frustrating trying to hold it all together while I tack it up to the point I've had to walk away, I need some of those 3d printed inserts you made, nice solution to a problem there.
They were a sanity saver. The models are on my thingiverse page if you need them.
@@ThrottleStopGarage thanks for that will check it out.
Well done, and we would indeed not mind seeing things flung across the shop, it lets us know you're human! Lol
LOL - will do if I get something funny on tape.
NICE 👏👏👏
Thank you! Cheers!
2:45 use a single regular worm drive hose clamp with 2 holes in the band to tack through.
This self centers the tube and is strong
I've used that method. It still won't work on the short radii weld elbows - no room to grip.
Ice offers a cutting jig for band saws
Thanks. I didn't have issues with my cheap plastic printed part, but I didn't use it for cutting.
"The sound of silence" ?? .. LOL. this is the least silent channel I've ever come across.
It's a Binky joke...
Something I don't see in USA how to videos dealing with exhaust tubing is the use of spun metal donuts (Mild steel or Stainless) available in a large variety of sizes, they do reduce the number of pie cuts and elbows required.
True - I've got a few on the wall, not had any need to use them just yet.
I've built several tubular turbo manifolds over the years out of stainless and the first thing I look for is if they're back purging (it's mindblowing how many people don't do this), so it was a welcome sight to see it done correctly. My next thought was bracing for the turbo, I try not to allow the turbo to rest solely on the tubing because it nearly always results in cracks along the welds months or years later, especially if it's a race car. But, I was surprised at how thick the tubing (pipe?) you used was. Honestly, that's probably a better solution than using a flange-to-flange brace, especially since I'm assuming you're going to be using something along the lines of a T3/T4. With the larger turbos (80mm+) I try to do a flange-to-flange support because frequent wastegate activity and throttle changes stresses the manifold over time, especially when it gets heat soaked.
I'm still working on that decision...to brace or not to brace. It's pipe - it should be able to handle both the weight, the vibration and the heat. My current thought is to leave it as I don't want the various forces fighting and resulting in cracks. Back-purge - all the way.
Awesome work! Where can I buy the angle cutting block
Sorry folks. I don't sell the jigs.
Definitely a new sub from me! I went on your thingiverse I did not see the model pipe pipes available the short and long bend ones.
Thanks! They are in a collection. www.thingiverse.com/thing:4884410
@@ThrottleStopGarage oh I see it now thank you! Where do you order your pipes from? Your channel has been a goldmine for me. I have been trying to find some but amazon is around $20+ an elbow which is a bit crazy price wise.
@@TheUnhappyEmo1 Ace Race Parts - best price and great service.
I do. I want to have something to compare my “ putting my tools up after a filet knuckle “to.
I'm not sure what this means.
Now I understand how those clamps are supposed to work :-) I wonder how you are going to weld all those pipes together. It seems to me that at some point you will not have enough space. But something tells me that you have a cunning plan for that so I am looking forward to watch the next video :-)
There's always a plan until the welding begins!
Would making the green rings an incomplete circle work? Maybe leverage the spring in the plastic and reduce the shaving?
Now that's a good idea!
Wow
Ever hear of iec exhaust? They have complete design kits with snap together blocks.
Yes...noted in the first video of the series.
Wow, that was a very nice comprehensive video, not easy making an exhaust runner for a 5 cylinder, i'd like to see how much would it flex after the whole thing get welded, Do you relly need to pruge it when u tact?
I'm pretty sure it's not going anywhere! Yes, I think you do need to purge when you tack. If you don't - you'll get the carbide precipitation on the backside of the weld. Many will say that it doesn't matter and if I was trying to make money building these things, there are cheaper options that work...but none of those conditions apply for me.
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Amazing work. Would you sell a set of ABS radius bends?
You can download them and print them - no need for sales.
Try using .065 wall tube. With a fusion weld. Easier to fit up with foil tape. Schedule10 seems a bit bulky and heavy.
We'll see how it all lasts.
i know its years ago and you likely forget but what issue did you find was taking the most time when trying to mock up the plastic jig? i thinking to make my own for welding, thanks in advance
The plastic jig was the best part of building that manifold. Easy to work with, and if I had to guess, I'd say that getting the lengths dialed in took the longest. It really didn't take that long - it's just playing with shapes.
Rather than back-purging you can also use solar flux. I find it much easier for most applications... and cheaper:-)
I know - but I don't have any in the show right now. Only making one - but if you're making lots the argon costs will get you every time. $140 for 22 cu ft in Canada.
Do you by any chance sell the blocks to mark the radius elbows and the fitment inserts?
No - I've posted them to thingiverse and you can download the models for free.
@ThrottleStopGarage awesome thank you so much I'll try and find a friend with a printer and see if they can make them
Where can I find the clamps you used to hold 2 bits together?
Try Trick Tools - they still list them.
Where can I get these plastic models made or bought? I am going to need some in 2.5" and 3"
I've posted them on Thingiverse (www.thingiverse.com/thing:4884410)
Not that I've made my own manifold myself (yet) but from what I've seen the runners will shrink when fully welded. To combat this each runner is normally made slightly longer than required to compensate and then trimmed down (if required) to fit in the final construction.
Sort of depends on how it's been fitted up to be honest. If it's tight gapped and everything is done properly - the shrink per joint would be very minimal. I've already done the root pass and the only one that moved was runner 3 (I had a small gap - shown in this video) - it pulled up about 1.5 mm. I can fill that no problem when I weld it to the flange.
@@ThrottleStopGarage fingers crossed! Like I say, I've not made one myself yet but thought I'd share what I'd seen, after all your hard work and effort I didn't want you to weld it all up and find they're all a couple of mm too short!!
I have to admit, yours does have the best fit up of all I've seen! Great job 👍🏻
And I had one that ended up a few mm short! You called it!
@@ThrottleStopGarage ah man that's a shame! Hopefully it's recoverable without too much work!?
Did I earn myself a mention? 😄
@@AndyPonting I think you've earned it...I was up most of last night working out how to prevent it. It took me one hour to fix the runner - so no big deal.
Just a thought, but if the spacers had a weak-spot 3d printed into them - you could maybe tack them in place then just punch them out. It would make them more single-use though.
If I was changing the design, I'd print a few variants - one with tapers going both ways for the weld els. Then one with a taper and a straight for an el into a straight and the original (little smaller) for straight into collector/flange.
Sorry if this has been asked before ( there ae a lot of comments to sift through) Where do you source your bends in Canada? I have been looking with little success. Thank you and I love the work.
Thanks - the weld els are from Ace Race Parts in the USA. Only source that was reasonable at the time.
did you design all those runners to be the same length? is that an important consideration?
I tried to have them all be around the same (and they were within 3 mm). Same length has obvious advantages for flow, but cost in packaging.
An effort Barbara Hepworth would be proud of
It is quite sculptural. Thanks.
Where are you buying your sc10 pipe pieces?
Ace Race Parts has them in stock.
Желаю развития канала, он того стоит...
Thanks
Do you guys pick custom made order by customer?
No sorry - just a guy in a garage making parts for my car project.
is there any way to clean welding seams by sanding and polishing? it looks amazing and if you manage to delete all welding seams it is gonna look more amazing congrats on your achievement
Yes, the welds can be sanded smooth. I'm not sure I'm going to bother as I think this manifold is going to get ceramic coated.
@@ThrottleStopGarage this is gonna look awesome!
Hi I was wondering what the dimensions of 22.5.stl were please?
22.5 degree angle and for 1.5" sch 10 pipe.
Good job. what is the name of the necklaces in question
Necklaces?
@@ThrottleStopGarage clamp welding. Is french sorry
@@stevencatillon2553 Ah, I see. They were made by Ice Engine Works and are still listed by Trick Tools in the USA. They do not work very well with the short radius tubes. They may work better with the radii that are used in tube versus pipe.
Hello, I would like the same file1.5D Cutting Jig (3D print FILES) in 2.1/2 inch, 3 inch is it possible?
All models are on the thigiverse page linked in the description. You can scale them to suite your needs. Good luck.
Hey, any chance you can reupload your Long Radius 1.5" weld el marking jig to thingyverse, seems during the upload it shrunk down to 4mmx4mmx1.5mm :) much appreciated been hanging out to use this jig :)
It's still there in a collection.
@@ThrottleStopGarage yea it is there, but no longer the correct size. when you load it into the slicer its 4mm wide :) also checked in fusion 360
@@bmorrison3665 I'll have a look tomorrow. That's weird.
I've just started this print and I think the solution is converting the measurements from MM to inches
Just finished the prints, converting the measurements from MM to inches was the solution
"The Sound of Silence"??? This is the least silent channel I've ever come across. LOL..
Wait, so you've never watched Project Binky? Seriously? How is that even possible? (On Project Binky, the saying is, "Make the noise..." And the electronic level beeps. But on this channel, his level doesn't make any noise, which is sad.)
@@fredygump5578 Yeah I watch Project Binky, but there is soo much gap between the videos that I sometimes forget the little details.
Where U buy the plastc models pipes?
I designed and 3D printed them. The link is in the description.
Y thanks but i don't see the model of plastic pipes. Third link in the description not working😔help pls
@@tmdagency www.thingiverse.com/thing:4884410
to pay someone to build that would cost like $4000 lol. Great work as always
In my experience - welders and fabricators are not well compensated for their skills. Last time I did this for a living, I was billed at $100/hr and made $10/hr.
Love it. Radii as well....sorry
LOL - I'll talk to my script writer!
Next time look at some of the latest model car manifolds stumped stainless sheetmetal to make fit your needs . 🧐
I've seen these - Not sure I could build one but I've looked at hydroforming in passing.
@@ThrottleStopGarage I'm shure theres one on the shelf GM , Ford 2021 models V8 engines where you could modify the manifold to fit your needs . It's worked for me .
@@ThrottleStopGarage Back to the Exhaust manifold build on hi-tech manifolds these hydro shaped manifolds are really flatt against the engine lots of clearance some times i find one in a autosalvage yard and modify to my needs . We have DYNOED them and they make good HP as good as Tubelar typs . Try one down the road you will like it . CHEERS .
@@curtisvonepp4335 Very interesting. I'll do some more reading.
@@ThrottleStopGarage I don't know what engine your working with and the cylinder port spacing is but a V8 could be used with ever side lines up L or Right with your engine spacing the ports cutting between the port spacing to match up the exhaust ports and tig weld it's not any biggie for a skilled fellow like you you will see what needs to make it work. 👍
How
Why use pipe instead of tube? 1.6mm stainless tube is all we use everyday in exhaust manifold & headers.
A few reasons. The pipe helped with tight radii that were needed for packaging and the wall thickness should mean that this thing will have a reasonable lifetime. I'm not going to tell you that 1.6 mm won't work - it will. I've done it. This just buys the extra insurance.
Link thinguiverse non work.....
www.thingiverse.com/thing:4884410 thingiverse works fine.
now i know why tehy cost like this
Yes - a lot of work.
Does throttle stop garage have any other social accounts? Instagram or anything? Thanks.
I update the Instagram and Facebook accounts regularly.
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I'm conflicted... the fabricating talent to design and build tuned length turbo manifolds I find impressive. They're nothing but a show piece, overall the time spent designing and building a first place, best fabrication award isn't worth the time spent. Never mind that these manifolds ignore good turbocharger system design principles.
I'm not sure how an equal length manifold ignores turbocharger system design principles. The tuning isn't necessarily any different from a normally aspirated engine. The problem is that you've stuck a restriction in the system - the turbine. You'd still like the pulse timing to be even. Nobody is arguing that you can't just build a log manifold and make power. I am building this because I enjoy the challenge not because I'm trying to make a dollar. Build the best that you care to build.
@@ThrottleStopGarage Thus I appreciate the workmanship. Been a long time since I've fabricated a turbo exhaust manifold.
most expensive lol i wanted to throw them across the room for you
Probably work great for tube...weld els - not so much.
That material is armed robbery in my country so is Asian 304.
321 isn't cheap in Canada either!
"I like doing things the right way." There is no wrong way if it works.
I get the point - most of this doesn't matter that much but in reference to your "work" comment. There are things that work (and we've all been there) and then there are things that work for a long time. I'd like this to last a long time.
Your back purging to make tack welds? Really
Yes
You rely on way to many aides. In my opinion you're making your job harder. It's not that complicated to fit up pipe/fittings.
Was thinking the same thing as in over thinking the job at hand, but everyone has their own way. It's a wonder how I made headers and exhaust 40 years ago without a 3D printer, but then again I'm just a boomer.
It is reasonably complicated for this manifold and I am sharing what I found works. With respect - this made it easier for me to fit the pipe.
Well I'm an union pipefitter and I'm telling you, you'd probably struggle alot less with some foil tape holding it together. All those clamps and 3d printed inserts to get your hi-low out are unnecessary. Also there's a way easier way of marking and cutting down 90's to make custom fittings. You're handicapping yourself.
@@ascholtka420 That would be fantastic information to share. I'm a guy building a car in my garage and I clearly state that I've never fitted a pipe manifold before in my life. It's a struggle if you can't find the information.
Hope this makes sense. You measure the inside radius and outside radius of your 90's ÷ both by 2. And mark on the inside and outside radius. To get a 45. ÷4 for 22.5. ÷8 for 11.25 fittings. Etc... for any bastard angle. Your angle finding block is cool and all but what if people don't have access to a printer. (Which I do)
if you love to waist time thins for you,,,,,if Time was money this shop will be closed fast
It is my time to waste. I've fabricated a few headers and I can say that the techniques I showed in this video reduced the time significantly.
boomer you use* cad for stuff like this
Not a boomer and I've got no idea what you're talking about.
@@ThrottleStopGarage I was just implying that one should use computer aided design for stuff like this instead of creating more plastic stuff