Clay Puppington: The Monster of Moralton (Moral Orel)

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  • It’s time for the big one. The main villain in Moral Orel, and the cause of most of the town’s problems. But what makes Clay tick? And how did he get this way?
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  • @gabbidurham
    @gabbidurham Před 2 lety +2025

    Orel breaking the cycle of abuse and trauma is the best ending the show could have had

    • @Brigeb20
      @Brigeb20 Před rokem +89

      Everyone would be outside Adult Swim's headquarters screaming about it if they had a different ending

    • @christianmicheal6678
      @christianmicheal6678 Před rokem +72

      That’s the best thing to me. It can end differently. The abused have a choice…. To end the cycle… or to allow it to continue.
      I choose to end it.

    • @viderevero1338
      @viderevero1338 Před 10 měsíci +8

      Just wish they had the time and seasons to develop it.

  • @faa6400
    @faa6400 Před 2 lety +6969

    He's definitely a bad person but he's a painfully well written character

    • @blackstar044
      @blackstar044 Před 2 lety +83

      True!

    • @moRULEZ18981
      @moRULEZ18981 Před 2 lety +219

      fr, you know an antagonist is well written when you just love to hate them.

    • @thatsthesystem
      @thatsthesystem Před 2 lety +62

      The more I examine Clay the more I agree with this statement.

    • @obscurityknocks
      @obscurityknocks Před 2 lety +66

      Scott Adsit's performance voicing Clay is incredible; especially the speech at the bar.

    • @kylekillgannon
      @kylekillgannon Před 2 lety +41

      @@moRULEZ18981 I don't even enjoy hating him. He wakes up so much inner hatred of my own dad to enjoy.

  • @eatatjoes6751
    @eatatjoes6751 Před 2 lety +5730

    The twist where he's the Mayor kind of reinforces why Moralton sucks, too.

    • @TeamFriendship8600
      @TeamFriendship8600 Před 2 lety +446

      That just goes to show how ironically immoral Moralton actually is.

    • @bcrunch4232
      @bcrunch4232 Před 2 lety +194

      @@TeamFriendship8600 yep in all fairness I feel clay is the last of a long line of bad mayors.

    • @TeamFriendship8600
      @TeamFriendship8600 Před 2 lety +122

      @@bcrunch4232 I honestly hope Orel became the new mayor as an adult.

    • @bcrunch4232
      @bcrunch4232 Před 2 lety +86

      @@TeamFriendship8600 Me too. And he can work with the reverend be it putty, if he’s still around, or another, to help get Moralton on track. As I feel that Orel May have helped Rod putty to find genuine faith.

    • @TeamFriendship8600
      @TeamFriendship8600 Před 2 lety +97

      @@bcrunch4232 This genuinely makes me wonder what Clay would think, if he's still alive by that point and his liver hasn't given up. He would either be irrationally angry that his son achieved these things he failed spectacularly at(raising a loving, functional family and becoming a respected political figure)or, although unlikely, actually feel regret for his numerous awful actions which caused him to lose everything-his son, his true love, and his public image. Keep in mind that the big reason why Orel turned out so different to Clay is that he was able to realize how bad of a dad Clay really is, but the same can't be said for Clay and his own father.
      Either way, it would be nice to see Orel make Moralton actually live up to it's name.

  • @ReCartded
    @ReCartded Před 2 lety +5579

    I think the nicest thing Clay has ever done is allow Orel to bring his lucky shirt with him on the hunting trip.

    • @gnarlybootsrag
      @gnarlybootsrag Před 2 lety +358

      and them ruin that shirt

    • @mikeyschwarzenegger2430
      @mikeyschwarzenegger2430 Před 2 lety +7

      Like a big f*** you, we didn't really went back together.
      It sad because he praid to God in Christmas and didn't got what he really wanted, and then next cristmast he saw the truth. Genius writing

    • @agsdragon5475
      @agsdragon5475 Před 2 lety +159

      And while getting rid of stuff they need and not treating his wound even drinking robbing ahohol

    • @jaredgarcia8638
      @jaredgarcia8638 Před 2 lety +86

      And offering a drink to his voice actor

    • @soup_n_sugar8213
      @soup_n_sugar8213 Před 2 lety +34

      Not such a lucky shirt now was it?

  • @TeamFriendship8600
    @TeamFriendship8600 Před 2 lety +4138

    I think the title "Nature" is such a great title since it's the moment that Orel realizes the kind of person Clay really is.

    • @Theevil6ify
      @Theevil6ify Před 2 lety +106

      Lemme tell ya something, Orel: DRUNK. IS. NATURE.

    • @4rtie
      @4rtie Před 2 lety +145

      Yeah, but the irony is that afterwards we learn that Clay is the way he is from nurture; he was never taught how to love and when was finally trying to be happy he got trapped in a marriage with a wife who never loved him and drove him to alcoholism.

    • @sarafontanini7051
      @sarafontanini7051 Před 2 lety +27

      @@4rtie of course this experience are what gave him his nature and its too late for him to change. His worst tendencies grew in awfulness and power and dwarfed whatever good aprts of him were left, leaving only a bitter, selfish man.
      It may not have been his nature originally, but it is now.

    • @4rtie
      @4rtie Před 2 lety +42

      @@sarafontanini7051 that's not what the word nature means. One's nature is inherent to who they are, it's natural to them. If you're shaped and molded through experience that's nurture determining who you are. Not nature.

    • @captainhands3558
      @captainhands3558 Před 2 lety +10

      @@4rtie I think the title is meant to evoke the inverse of what it says. So rather than nature, it's nurture. But also they're in the outdoors, so nature also I guess.

  • @ohhebuiltdifferent
    @ohhebuiltdifferent Před 2 lety +2451

    I always thought it was interesting that Clay talked about being "not good enough" and "letting the dominant jackals of the world feed on him" despite being the most powerful person in his household and town.
    This means he wasn't talking about a boss, or group of people, abusing him. He was probably talking about the box he put himself in. The dominant jackals could mean a lot of things; society, his pride, his shortcomings as a father/husband, everything he thinks is forcing him to continue living a life he clearly hates. I felt sorry for Clay, but he clearly deserved every bit of suffering he had coming to him.

    • @gg_nugu
      @gg_nugu Před rokem +40

      I see it more as just a typical narcissistic mentality (vulnerable narcissism in particular), having a pathological need to make one's self the victim

    • @BingBong123
      @BingBong123 Před rokem +14

      Same for me, He really needs some therapy, but he still deserve the his punishment

    • @sillyguy3546
      @sillyguy3546 Před rokem +1

      Nah he means it exactly as it's said, you guys don't get it, probably don't see reality for what is is, living in some bluepill mindset, or maybe the truth is just to painful and scary.

    • @ohhebuiltdifferent
      @ohhebuiltdifferent Před rokem +10

      @@sillyguy3546 Dude what does this even mean? Cool if you disagree but at least give your pov

    • @sillyguy3546
      @sillyguy3546 Před rokem

      @@ohhebuiltdifferent cbf xD

  • @alexliddell3171
    @alexliddell3171 Před 2 lety +941

    I actually like the implied ending for Bloberta & Clay in the original show, as much as I feel sorry for both of them, I think it's appropriate they still stayed miserably married while Orel, Shapey & Block moved on to bigger & better things without their influence. That's just usually what happens when toxic & often desperately religious people have a relationship, they stay together simply because they don't know how to be anything else, their pride just won't let them.
    There's no escape from the prison they built for themselves, they'll die together hand in unlovable hand.

  • @supersmashbro596
    @supersmashbro596 Před 2 lety +664

    never has a man have a tragic backstory that instantly gets invalidated because of how much of a monster he is.

    • @yeetbagmcgee9376
      @yeetbagmcgee9376 Před 2 lety +55

      Chris chan

    • @zuskull1
      @zuskull1 Před rokem +9

      It’s truly inspirational tbh

    • @Crithosceleg
      @Crithosceleg Před rokem +5

      Clearly you've never met my step father :^)

    • @aashycoconut
      @aashycoconut Před rokem +26

      Bojack horsemann

    • @notwell3605
      @notwell3605 Před rokem +62

      his tragic backstory isn't there to excuse him, it's there to explain him
      always a big difference
      It's one of the reasons he's like this but it still doesn't excuse his actions in any way

  • @masterprick1
    @masterprick1 Před 2 lety +2721

    I think is kind of unfair that Bloberta gets a happy ending and Clay gets nothing, they are both horrible people and certainly deserve what they got. If he ends up alone at the end, I would rather it made him look inward for once in his miserable life and realize what he truly is and maybe his ending is more about redemption than damnation.

    • @thilsiktonix
      @thilsiktonix Před 2 lety +131

      I agree.

    • @BlackThreath1234
      @BlackThreath1234 Před 2 lety +44

      So true

    • @jjjx32
      @jjjx32 Před 2 lety +538

      the problem is he does. nobody hates Clay puppington more than he does, he's just not willing to change. he takes all criticism as proof that he's a terrible person, so any will to improve gets metamorphosized into idle self hatred

    • @thatsthesystem
      @thatsthesystem Před 2 lety +245

      Maybe Clay exists to be a cautionary tale of what happens to us when we let our insecurities rule our character. And never truely learn to take responsibility for our actions. He doesn't get a happy ending because that is where that lifestyle leads. Misery.

    • @D0MIN0W4LKER
      @D0MIN0W4LKER Před 2 lety +76

      They should've him sent him off with him not having to worry about the expectations of an entire town, he would be relaxed for once in his life, maybe learn to let go, and in true moral orel black comedy fashion, he offs himself. That's just my headcanon anything else is prolly better.

  • @theewildrose
    @theewildrose Před 2 lety +265

    He legit scares me because he's too realistic

    • @mimszanadunstedt441
      @mimszanadunstedt441 Před 2 lety +21

      Thats the point of the show. Its about reality, and 'religion'.

  • @AH-is5yg
    @AH-is5yg Před 2 lety +1402

    In Before Orel, Clay and his now elderly father talked. Clay for once showed his vulnerable side and asked his father if he was worth it. Clay cried. Arthur was going to try reconcile with Clay, but Clay refused to forgive him. Clay was trying to get Orel to hate him out of spite. Clay only acted like a father towards Orel just to back at his father only for it to backfire on him a few years later.
    When Arthur left, in a moment, Clay is sad and wanted to patch things up with him, but Clay was too stubborn to forgive him. Clay failed to have Orel to hate Arthur and Orel will never become like Clay.

    • @princessmarlena1359
      @princessmarlena1359 Před 2 lety +121

      “Dear Orel, you will always be a prime candidate for brainwashing. But you will never become corrupted, as your heart is too pure.” (Sorry if I messed that up, I forgot exactly how it went).

    • @neoagent3
      @neoagent3 Před 2 lety

      where can i watch that??

    • @zed.4582
      @zed.4582 Před 2 lety +4

      @@neoagent3 i just looked it up on google and clicked the videos if not theres clips on youtube for it.

    • @mrnukes797
      @mrnukes797 Před 2 lety +1

      @@neoagent3 hulu and hbo max

    • @misssoso5859
      @misssoso5859 Před 2 lety +44

      Arthur was a horrible, abusive father and a big reason why Clay turned up so fucked up. I will never understand why the show treated Arthur like he was a good guy when he was just as terrible to his son as Clay was to his own son.

  • @ferochoosss328
    @ferochoosss328 Před 2 lety +564

    I just realized that Bloberta made clay into the image of her father which is the only person who loved her then so maybe clay would love her (with alcohol glasses) but in the end alcohol affects everyone differently and he became this person

    • @AH-is5yg
      @AH-is5yg Před 2 lety +75

      Bloberta deeply regretted doing it to Clay but she refused to do anything about it because she is afraid what others will think. She realize she failed to become better than her mother and her marriage was an utter failure.
      She never told orel the truth about it because she is ashamed and also denial.

    • @MutualSOUL
      @MutualSOUL Před rokem +18

      Yeah, I definitely see Bloberta projecting some sort of an Electra Complex (like the Oedipus Complex, but between the father and daughter, rather than the mother and son) onto Clay when they first start dating.

  • @christinelee4780
    @christinelee4780 Před 2 lety +333

    "Your mum likes your dad?" The question Coach Stopframe asked Orel perfectly sums up how there was nothing honourable about Clay

    • @tsnophaljakarax9963
      @tsnophaljakarax9963 Před 2 lety +42

      It's simultaneously both funny yet kinda heartbreaking. Orel goes though so much shit in this show, that I'm just really glad he came out with it not just okay, but with something Clay could never get; a happy family.

    • @christinelee4780
      @christinelee4780 Před 2 lety +14

      @@tsnophaljakarax9963 Given what a horrible father and husband Clay was, he kind of deserved to end up alone and miserable. And it was wonderful that Orel got his happy ending. It goes to show that a terrible childhood doesn't mean that you can't be better

    • @xeibei4804
      @xeibei4804 Před rokem +13

      @@christinelee4780 tbh his wife is more horrible than he is. She basically ruined his life and turned clay into the monster he is. She is frankenstein and clay frankenstein's monster

    • @gwenethp511
      @gwenethp511 Před rokem +9

      Yeah, especially considering she basically drugged him (well, with alcohol) and then gaslit him, it's sad that she didn't even love him and just used him to get married so she wouldn't be laughed at.

    • @elenadominguez4517
      @elenadominguez4517 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@gwenethp511 how is offering someone a drink drugging someone? I agree that shes gaslight him into marrying her but clays alcohol addiction is all on him.

  • @aprilhollow5780
    @aprilhollow5780 Před 2 lety +177

    Clay is a horrible person. But in the bar rant episode his sorrow and regret is so apparent. And that doctor was so awful, using others pain to get off on. Then when Clay was calling him out on it everyone got upset with him but the doctor was so evil for what he was doing. Clay admits to feeling remorse for hurting people that he loves and no one seems to care or understand his genuiness in the moment. I think clay deserves some credit for not being a completely horrible person and trying to desperately express his sadness and sorrow for what he’s become and his situation.

    • @commonwriternext
      @commonwriternext Před 2 lety +42

      That's the best part about Clay, he might seem like the worst person on the surface but he's not even bottom of the barrel when it comes to how depraved the citizens of Moralton can be, arguably he's not even the top three worst individuals on the show.

    • @romanov3937
      @romanov3937 Před rokem +29

      Clay regrets what he did but he is unable to stop, he dug himself a hole and now he must lay in it because he can’t let go of his past.

  • @LilypadPanda
    @LilypadPanda Před 2 lety +209

    There's something fascinating and oddly poetic about how Clay and Bloberta simultaneously destroyed each other.

    • @eatatjoes6751
      @eatatjoes6751 Před rokem +12

      I love how realistically destructive they are.

  • @donkeydeck5263
    @donkeydeck5263 Před rokem +118

    Honestly when clays dad stopped hitting him because he's "not worth it", that was a real gut punch for me. He sought out pain because he didn't have the constant and unconditional love from his mother and all he had left was pain. He fetishized his agony. He reveled in it.

  • @jak4470
    @jak4470 Před 2 lety +144

    I wonder what Clay would have been like if even ONE of his siblings wasn't a stillborn, given the fact that he wants to be the center of attention.

    • @sharonspears-mandeville2369
      @sharonspears-mandeville2369 Před 2 lety +15

      Well,does "Golden child syndrome" count?
      Think about it,his mother would DEFINITELY spoil the crap outta him while this sibling is either abused (whether even by Clay's mother and/or Clay himself,Arthur/Pa Puppington would've PROBABLY actually like that kid,but since he hates Clay,Kid #2 or so wouldn't have the chance with THAT for a sibling,mind you-of course,really-so,apparently..?) or flat-out ignored by their/Ma and Pa Puppington,really...
      _Heh,imagine the situation of _*_if his son Orel found about his father's long-lost brother or sister and would try to make amends with them_*_ ,even if Clay disapproves otherwise,so honestly!_

  • @SpicyWah
    @SpicyWah Před 2 lety +80

    When clay told Orel that he was glad he shot him, that was a jaw dropping moment and that's rare

    • @mattb.4333
      @mattb.4333 Před rokem +14

      I think he was so mean to Orel to keep him from wanting to be like him...thus breaking the cycle of abuse. You can see Clay do things that on the surface seem monstrous like not giving Orel the heirloom gun, but I think that was his way of trying to break that abusive cycle. If this is true then I think you have to say that sacrificing your relationship, respect, and love of your only child just so they will have a better life is pretty admirable in a twisted way. I don't think Clay was evil, I think he did not know how else to make sure his son did not end up like him.

    • @Youngbane1457
      @Youngbane1457 Před měsícem

      ​@@mattb.4333After Nature, I think he actually gave up on Orel. His entire reasoning for caring about him was that he could try and make another person like him due to his narcissism. Problem is that Orel truly is incorruptible and naturally good, that Clay fundamentally can't make Orel into a "mini me" so he stops talking to Orel all together until his job is in jeopardy

  • @karsperry2464
    @karsperry2464 Před 2 lety +337

    You could say that, because of the fact he influences everyone else’s development, Clay is the actual main character of Moral Orel

    • @MrJapanUnderground
      @MrJapanUnderground Před 2 lety +24

      To be honest, he kinda is. It all starts with him if you look at it.

    • @tsnophaljakarax9963
      @tsnophaljakarax9963 Před 2 lety +34

      I dunno, that sounds like the role of the villain; the bad influences on the rest of the world, and Orel is like that tiny spark of innocence that's challenged by it.

    • @DitzyParis
      @DitzyParis Před 2 lety +18

      Both antagonist and protagonist can influence other characters

    • @czechistan_zindabad
      @czechistan_zindabad Před 11 měsíci +2

      Villain Protagonist Clay and Hero Antagonist Orel

  • @NebLleb
    @NebLleb Před 2 lety +180

    True what they say: Sometimes, all you need to show someone's true colours is just a good bottle of alcohol.

  • @jordythecat7181
    @jordythecat7181 Před rokem +51

    What makes Clay an interesting character is that he’s a “real” person. He’s not an exaggerated for cartoonish kind of evil, he acts like a real (and horrible) person would by trying to manipulate his family and being a horrible man.

  • @jonathanwilkinson4299
    @jonathanwilkinson4299 Před 2 lety +989

    Decent video. One thing that always bothers me about any discussion of the show is that everyone seems to sweep all the bad stuff Coach Stop Frame has done under the rug. I would argue that he is as evil as Clay. Think about it. He manipulated a married woman into having an affair with him with the intent of getting her knocked up. All as a ploy to somehow get closer to a guy he likes who she is married to. He never even gives them money to help raise the bastard child. Liberta just wanted love. Couch just wanted a basterd child and manipulated her. He could have used a condom if he only wanted sex but it's made very very clear that he only wanted a basterd child and did this evil thing in order to get it.

    • @mediamementosofficial
      @mediamementosofficial  Před 2 lety +300

      Oh we’re not sweeping that under the rug. He’ll get a video someday.

    • @Lechgang
      @Lechgang Před 2 lety +84

      Definitely fucked up, but nowhere near as bad as Clay.

    • @paperbagboi3185
      @paperbagboi3185 Před 2 lety +120

      @@Lechgang I really like the Coach character, but till this day I get surprised and taken aback when I remember all the effed up things he did just to get closer to Clay

    • @PIB2000
      @PIB2000 Před 2 lety +124

      @@paperbagboi3185 It does make me wonder if Coach would have underwent character development if the series went on for longer. He did all those bad things only to realize Clay isn't worth it in the end. I also don't think he's as evil because he draws the line at Clay's abuse of Orel.
      Though I guess in a place like Moralton where empathy is at an all time low, Stopframe seems like an upstanding citizen.

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Před 2 lety +7

      And Bloberta is seen as an angel.

  • @masterseal0418
    @masterseal0418 Před 2 lety +281

    Moral Orel is considered to be a cold gem on Adult Swim. It deserves a comeback someday, since of how much the show handled darkness after another, gained the viewer's chance to swallow their pride, and prove that shows with mature themes on AS need to handle them without entirely for shock value, but respect these issues altogether.

  • @ForeverLaxx
    @ForeverLaxx Před 2 lety +1337

    Always thought it was unfair for the Coach to treat Clay the way he did when he finally admitted his feelings. Coach spent all his time trying to selfishly ruin Clay's relationship with his wife/family, even going so far as to have a kid with Clay's wife, that I don't think Coach *gets* to be mad at Clay for being selfish himself and taking too long to "come out." It's played up like Clay betrayed Coach when, throughout the season, Coach has been doing everything he could to sabotage Clay's life so Clay would run to him.

    • @goo3y
      @goo3y Před 2 lety +354

      i totally agree! i feel like coachs character arc was cut too soon, there should've been a few more consequences to his actions. he manipulated bloberta just to get to clay and acted as if he didnt do anything wrong towards the end.

    • @HispanicToddendale
      @HispanicToddendale Před 2 lety +150

      @@goo3y I’m sure there would’ve been if the show didn’t get cancelled.

    • @cyrilmarasigan7108
      @cyrilmarasigan7108 Před 2 lety +30

      @@goo3y it would be good IF the director released it and expand the oral moral

    • @paperbagboi3185
      @paperbagboi3185 Před 2 lety +109

      The things the Coach did were very fucked up.
      I was just under the impression that he knew Clay and Bloberta’s marriage was a sham. I bet that with a couple of years if Clay wanted to he could have had left Bloberta in order to rebuild a new and better life, but either his society or his pride were stopping him from doing that.
      I think the coach was bending his time and trying to get to Clay to realize that and then after getting no results he did all of that messed up things he did. It doesn’t justify it by any means though.
      This is a case of the three of them Clay, bloberta and the Coach just trying to find happiness in their own messed up way.

    • @jacobsizemore7750
      @jacobsizemore7750 Před 2 lety +34

      I think it’s the fact that he thought he knew clay, and thought that he really cared for him. Stopframe wanted to do things with clay like he did with Orel in the Christmas episode, but that wasn’t what Stopframe was to clay. Stopframe isn’t excused, but he sees what clay is and knows that he could never have the moments he had with Orel, because he was nothing but a resourceful clay just like everyone else is.

  • @willelmore58
    @willelmore58 Před 2 lety +121

    I slightly disagree with the take that Clay was bad from the start. Yes, the prank ended with his mother's death, but there's no way he could have known that. He was just a kid. His father, for his part, took his frustrations out on Clay. He only recognized Clay's existence long enough to backhand him, and Clay took any "recognition" as love. When Clay was given the gun, it wasn't a part of the Puppington "coming of age ceremony" where he'd be recognized as a man. It was just handed to him, without celebration or value.
    Clay was never seen as a capable man by anyone he valued the opinion of, mostly his father. So everything he does is so that others think highly of him. He has a family, a well-paying job, he goes to church. But it's all without genuine care or feelings of accomplishment. He sees his family as leeches, he complains about his "dead-end" job, and he never has any respect for the reverend or the church, constantly showing up "drunk and late." It's all about appearance, which is why he is his own worst enemy. He's honest with no one, not even himself and what he wants.
    If there's one episode that sums up his character the best, it's "Passing." It shows what started him down the path that led to his personal hell. The lesson to take from it, in my mind, is this: Everyone is the way they are for a reason, even the worst of us. And if you can't love the good in them, you can at least pity what they could have been.

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola Před 2 lety +5

      Where did he say that Clay was bad from the start? Are you talking about him saying he wasn't a considerate kid? I mean that's true, the show makes a point of that. That doesn't mean he was a bad kid from the start, just not a considerate one. It's normal for kids to be a bit self centered, but this part of himself was rewarded by his mother which reinforced that behavior and made him generally more inconsiderate than a lot of children his age would have been otherwise.
      Unless you're talking about a different part I missed, but I don't remember seeing him say that Clay was always bad.

    • @willelmore58
      @willelmore58 Před 2 lety +12

      @@KalinTheZola It's pretty much that part. I don't think Clay would have been as inconsiderate if his mother hadn't fed into his self-absorbed attitude as much. Though, in the same way I wouldn't blame his father for holding a grudge, I wouldn't blame his mother for doting over him in the wake of so many failed pregnancies. It's actually what I love about this show. The environment influences the actions of the characters, and so their actions are understandable, if not necessarily agreeable.

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola Před 2 lety +1

      @@willelmore58 I mean I agree but thats also what the guy in the video was saying.

    • @marinetter.8423
      @marinetter.8423 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Very smart analysis, thank you

  • @nitedread2547
    @nitedread2547 Před 2 lety +88

    One thing I noticed towards the end of the show, while Clay and some of the other charcters are in the bar and Clay starts verbally attacking each one of them, they all instinctly get mad and want to beat him up, but in the end, they give him a look that mirrors what Clay's dad told him "youre not even worth it" and they all leave him. It is sad. And the way Clay wants them all to stay so he can keep abusing them is pathetic.

    • @romanov3937
      @romanov3937 Před rokem +18

      I think Clay wanted them to beat him up because it would validate him as a worth it.

  • @TeamFriendship8600
    @TeamFriendship8600 Před 2 lety +464

    4:37
    I actually thought Clay was trying to mold Orel into someone just as horrible and corrupt as he is, and ultimately fails. I think it's the perfect karma that Orel gets everything his father never had while Clay suffers for his actions and actually reflects on everything he did wrong.
    Clay is such an interesting character because on one hand, I feel kind of bad for him since he's a great example of how childhood abuse and neglect can destroy someone. On the other, he's an irredeemable monster who likes to complain about how miserable he is but is ignorant to the fact his suffering is a result of his own actions. I both pity and hate him at the same time. Clay isn't a loveable or comedic jerk like you'd see in many other adult cartoons. He's a far more realistic and heinous asshole who causes misery for himself and those unlucky enough to be around him.

    • @God-T
      @God-T Před rokem +6

      he had a very self-absorbed mother who kept killing babies and a very uncaring father who beat him and neglected him as a child, and you're expecting him to understand the meaning of this action! I think his parents are to blame. They are the root of the problem.

    • @Kaboomboo
      @Kaboomboo Před rokem +2

      I would like to preface that I've never really watched this show, but have consumed a bunch of analysis videos on it. But from what I gather about people like Clay, is that they are miserable and self loathing but extremely narcissistic. Because of that, they can't reconcile that there's something wrong with them so they try their darndest to bring those around them down to their level. That way they can look at those around them and convince themselves everyone is terrible and live in perpetual denial. Which in Clay's case manifests in how he tries to corrupt his son to be terrible.
      That's why narcissists float from relationship to relationships, friendships to friendships. Because they either are cast away by others tired of being around them (which seems to be the case for Clay by the end), or they decide to leave when they realize they can't corrupt everyone. The latter is more of annoyance to them because pure souls, like Orel, are a reminder that they themselves are responsible for their unhappiness. They're also a glimpse into what a pure, happy person can be if they're just honest with themselves. And people like Clay just can't stand that because he continues to live in denial. That's probably why he has no qualms about torturing Orel, even if he knows his grip on him is slipping.

    • @TeamFriendship8600
      @TeamFriendship8600 Před rokem +5

      @@Kaboomboo I think Clay has some awareness of his own flaws, but in order to be actually happy, he'd have to risk his reputation in Moralton. Yes, he could divorce Bloberta, but that wouldn't really do any favors for his political career. Narcissism combined with low self-esteem, trauma, and having close-minded beliefs drilled into him since childhood has made him into a complete mess.
      Also, the corruption thing you mentioned might be partially why he doesn't just get a divorce. In "Sacrifice" he even admits that he poisons everyone around him, and it's the one rare moment he seems to express any kind of remorse. Divorcing Bloberta would not only damage his image, he also blew his chance with Daniel, so he wouldn't have anyone left to corrupt. People like Clay like being able to control others, perhaps to compensate for feeling like their own lives are out of control. From his point of view, getting rid of Bloberta would deprive him of that control. He doesn't see Orel as a son as much as someone to mold into his own image.

  • @waldornprime5567
    @waldornprime5567 Před rokem +19

    being named "Clay Puppington" in a claymation show is like a person being named "Guy Manny"

  • @brandynlovett4054
    @brandynlovett4054 Před 2 lety +230

    Stopframe is still no better than Clay, he never even owned his son. I like the show but I just hate how the show acts like its the opposite case.

    • @mediamementosofficial
      @mediamementosofficial  Před 2 lety +59

      Stopframe is a bad period, but Clay is worse

    • @paperbagboi3185
      @paperbagboi3185 Před 2 lety +32

      @@mediamementosofficial both are very messed up people.
      They loved each other but I don’t believe they are a good match. Both are very messed up and their relationship could become just like Clay and Bloberta’s.
      I believe Danielle did the right call by leaving Clay.

    • @ragantate3995
      @ragantate3995 Před 2 lety +18

      Stopframe, what he did was evil, selfish and calculating.

    • @mako3951
      @mako3951 Před 2 lety +17

      @@mediamementosofficial nah they're both horrible people. Stopframe just has more of a conscience

    • @screamingcactus1753
      @screamingcactus1753 Před 2 lety +5

      @@mako3951 That's pretty much exactly what he said, just rephrased

  • @nickj7335
    @nickj7335 Před 2 lety +50

    The voice actor for clay should win all the awards

  • @HighlyIrreverentanimations

    He’s really a huge study on society and the physiology of a lot of men. He, in a way reminds me of my father, a man who had emotional issues and valued peoples perception of him to a detrimental extent to me and my mother. He was a far better man than clay, but the mentality is commonplace. I think a lot of people have grown up in or witnessed similar situations that can relate.

  • @NotAGoodUsername360
    @NotAGoodUsername360 Před rokem +35

    It could be said the hunting trip itself was benevolent in intent, an attempt to give Orel the fun experience he was intentionally denied as a child, and it's only because of his lack of experience that Clay fails utterly and ends up exposing his true nature to Orel. The fact that his guard was down and his drunk speech to Orel does at least suggest he did have his heart in the right place, but of course he fails to overcome his own traumas and winds up inflicting worse trauma, both physical and mental, on to Orel in the process.

  • @masterzombie161
    @masterzombie161 Před 2 lety +39

    Funny that Orel becomes a better person and father despite everything. He got to have his own kids and is forever happy that he never has to be involved with his father again.

  • @marhewjarstice
    @marhewjarstice Před 2 lety +539

    Clay is incredibly realistic. I have met families with this same exact dynamic and you are bound to find them in America, especially in little Church towns. Down to the alcoholism, repressed bisexuality, and blinding narcissism. Amazingly deep look into real people by the writers.

  • @ashvolante4835
    @ashvolante4835 Před 2 lety +274

    I guess Clay lived long enough to see himself become the villain😕🤷🏽

    • @StrategicGamesEtc
      @StrategicGamesEtc Před 2 lety +3

      Is that a fallout reference?

    • @RDSArcade
      @RDSArcade Před 2 lety +11

      That would imply he was a hero at one point.

    • @whyme3772
      @whyme3772 Před 2 lety +8

      @@RDSArcade he wasn’t necessarily a hero when he was a younger adult, but he wasn’t a villain either.

    • @jonkestol4474
      @jonkestol4474 Před rokem

      It’s a Batman reference

  • @Demolitiondude
    @Demolitiondude Před 2 lety +243

    Miss Censordoll to me is the most evil. Granted, Clay is up there. But demons tend to be puppet masters. And the episode that showed her, the nurse (very tragic story), and Orel's teacher, showed she has a metaphysical influence on the town of Joplin. Yes Joplin. Moralton is where Joplin is in real life.

    • @spaghetti5914
      @spaghetti5914 Před 2 lety +53

      Honestly, I'm glad someone else brings her up. She is another character that never did anything good and is highly manipulative. Yea yea, she had a bad childhood, but she is still a shitty, bitter person

    • @tsnophaljakarax9963
      @tsnophaljakarax9963 Před 2 lety +34

      @@spaghetti5914 I still like her for how over-the-top evil she is. It wouldv'e been interesting to dive deep into her messed up god complex, but I guess we're not gonna get that, unless the creators make a comeback from the show's sudden resurgence in popularity and somehow retcon the last few episodes of Season 3 to extend it into two more seasons.

    • @avosmash2121
      @avosmash2121 Před 2 lety

      I read that it was intended to show Censordoll involved in Voodoo/black occult magic. All along she was a literal witch. She feels permitted to control others while tell them everything they do is Satanic blasphemy. Which is so befitting her kind of pompous fake religious hypocrisy.

  • @ParkerDavis
    @ParkerDavis Před 2 lety +33

    His voice actor is absolutely amazing.

  • @PaladinOfNerds
    @PaladinOfNerds Před 2 lety +24

    my mom had multiple miscarriages before I was born too. I attribute that to how fucked up the first several years of my life were. except by the time I could walk, talk, and form coherent memories my parents were already apart and she was screaming on the phone telling my father to go to hell… Good times.

  • @petuniaclaragarryzera
    @petuniaclaragarryzera Před 2 lety +48

    For a character who has the same voice actor as BAYMAX out of all characters, he certainly needs top tier therapy

  • @Mad_Oph
    @Mad_Oph Před rokem +30

    It's funny, when everyone kept pawning Orel off on other townsfolk when he came to them for advice in "Nesting" and he was finally directed to seek the mayor, I was sitting there thinking "Okay, this town is an absolute trainwreck, but this is the mayor. We're finally going to see the shitheel that runs and feeds the dark heart of Moralton, the leader of this false, cowardly, poisonous community.". Then that chair turns around and everything suddenly makes so much more sense.

  • @notyourdaughter666
    @notyourdaughter666 Před 2 lety +26

    clay is like what would’ve happened to bojack horseman had he never improved himself or tried to get better. he’s bojack minus season 6.

  • @herec0mestheCh33f
    @herec0mestheCh33f Před 2 lety +165

    Good vid. One incredibly minor point though:
    "Strapped for cash"
    Ah, no. He's the literal mayor and judging by the very, very long armory stocked with firearms, swords and other melee weapons, and literal suits of armor, altogether likely worth likely several thousand dollars, he gets paid pretty well for it. Not to mention the comical supply of power tools bloberta buys.

    • @mediamementosofficial
      @mediamementosofficial  Před 2 lety +30

      The episodes Nesting and Honor make frequent references to their tight budget

    • @alize0623
      @alize0623 Před 2 lety +40

      @@mediamementosofficial plus him hating pretty much the entire family would definitely make spending money on them seem like a burden. “Oh no I got to feed another one of you?”

    • @FullMoonOctober
      @FullMoonOctober Před 2 lety +35

      It's a type of financial abuse. Keep a household under your thumb by being the only one with money, and whenever they want something, refuse it by either saying they're being punished, or that there's a 'tight budget'. Clay is either drinking his salary away, or it's going into his weapon collection. They SHOULD have enough money for five people, otherwise.

    • @NB-ir1me
      @NB-ir1me Před 2 lety +12

      @[HDLM] Scruffee my dad had a tight budget too, could buy himself literally ANYTHING he wanted for himself , the nicest truck all the guns and motorcycles that he wanted but if I needed a calculator for class nope , wouldn't buy my mom anything either he was super cheap but would splurge on him self whenever he wanted . He's gotten better now and we have a decent relationship but I really used to resent him for being selfish growing up. He would always pay for all the maintenance on any of his vehicles but I had to change moms oil. And one time he made my mom shovel the snow in the driveway alone during a blizzard when I wasnt there, instead of paying $20 to the neighbor kid who had a snow blower he made my mom do it by hand.

    • @diamondmetal3062
      @diamondmetal3062 Před rokem

      Maybe that’s why?

  • @parkergregg9386
    @parkergregg9386 Před 2 lety +827

    I saw I comment mentioning that the 1950’s ideal lifestyle is toxic, which I disagree to an extent as that’s more or less just the nuclear family in general and it’s fine to have that kinda family as long as it’s not forced. If you start a family and it just naturally sorta fits the bill of the nuclear family, that’s fine.
    The part that makes this particular family toxic is Clay sorta forcing his family to maintain this perfect image of a family for no other sake then image itself.
    And I think clay while definitely adopting the ‘stereotypical America dad’ archetype, I believe he’s meant to demonstrate a more broad message of just... don’t make the mistakes of this man. Don’t do things especially if they make you and others around you miserable.

    • @mediamementosofficial
      @mediamementosofficial  Před 2 lety +112

      I agree. It’s only toxic because Clay makes it so. He’s a cautionary tale for sure.

    • @mariaguadalupepalaciosroja1216
      @mariaguadalupepalaciosroja1216 Před 2 lety +95

      Also Orel ends up having a nuclear family, a real one, where there is mutual love and respect

    • @payasofo5342
      @payasofo5342 Před 2 lety +4

      So many shitty takes. Clay was the best character, a role model if I've ever seen one.

    • @prixe12
      @prixe12 Před 2 lety +51

      @@payasofo5342 nice bait

    • @p.c.v.m9999
      @p.c.v.m9999 Před 2 lety +4

      @@mediamementosofficial you know if you watch south and you the butters episodes both butter family orel family feel the same almost

  • @mortiifying
    @mortiifying Před 2 lety +55

    u know the character has good writing when u feel bad for him but then you hate him again

  • @phunkyzilla
    @phunkyzilla Před 2 lety +21

    I think when oral had the religious vision it was oral coming to the realization that he doesn’t need the church to have security and that he can be his own “church” by taking solace in the person he is

  • @stingerjohnny9951
    @stingerjohnny9951 Před 2 lety +84

    I feel about Moral Orel the same way I feel about BoJack Horseman (funny given a couple people worked on both)
    Objectively speaking it’s a fantastic, well written show, but especially in the later seasons, I find myself asking “why am I doing this to myself” whenever I watch it.

    • @christianmicheal6678
      @christianmicheal6678 Před rokem +4

      I feel we benefit from seeing these realistic depictions of the darker side of life.
      It reminds me to never repeat what happened to me, and that I’m not alone.

  • @professorsponge1554
    @professorsponge1554 Před 2 lety +34

    one of the best shows Adult Swim ever made, and they canceled it because it was bumming out their stoner audience.

  • @dleopardxlswondrousmusings9053

    It can even be said that Coach Stopframe is more of a father to Orel than Clay ever acted in this series in that last episode. The two acted more as a family than Orel’s family ever did, and he even pointed that out when comparing the Christmas from the previous year to S3Ep13. There is something more to the relationship between the two that bloomed too quickly, but also respectfully due to an early cancelation.

  • @CCHILABTV
    @CCHILABTV Před rokem +9

    it's not that he associated getting slapped with affection, it's that he wanted attention of any kind, good or bad.
    when he's ignored that stings more than being hit. hince why he cries when everyone walks out of the bar and leaves him alone.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 Před 2 lety +122

    Clay is like a mirror universe version of Reverend Lovejoy from the Simpsons or a powerless Father Benedict Uno from KND

    • @paperbagboi3185
      @paperbagboi3185 Před 2 lety +11

      I think Reverend putty resembles Reverend lovejoy a little more. I can totally see the resemblance between Father from KND and Clay though

  • @doncheadlegaming7521
    @doncheadlegaming7521 Před rokem +20

    Clay is a product of zealotism, abuse, manipulation and society itself. But he had all the chances in the world to change but never did. He’s the best kind of villain, an interesting and relatable villain.

  • @mentirosa8709
    @mentirosa8709 Před 2 lety +175

    As sad as it is that this show was cancelled, I’m happy the show ended the way it did. They’re both terrible and honestly deserve each other to suffer together, alone. They don’t deserve happy endings.

    • @vincikeeper1581
      @vincikeeper1581 Před 2 lety +23

      Ikr? Bloberta also sucks.

    • @link12click
      @link12click Před 2 lety +25

      the end was so good tho 😭 christina and orel getting together and breaking the cycle

    • @roderickurton8421
      @roderickurton8421 Před 2 lety +16

      “no children” by the mountain goats was such a perfect song that they used for both clay and bloberta that i’m convinced it was partially written for it

    • @robtalbott1676
      @robtalbott1676 Před 2 lety +10

      I hated bloberta in the best Christmas ever and felt really bad clay but now they're both terrible people also I don't think Clay's more evil I think they're both about the same

    • @ThiccFurryBoi34
      @ThiccFurryBoi34 Před rokem

      Yeah I didn’t understand why the cop would date her glad they both be nagging old couples and die together

  • @MrZEPYRO
    @MrZEPYRO Před 2 lety +26

    Clay is up there for “Most Irredeemable Characters in All of Fiction” right up there with AM from I Have No Mouth and I must Scream.

    • @xeibei4804
      @xeibei4804 Před rokem +8

      To compare clay to AM is the most insane, weird and baffling things I have ever heard

  • @crackerjack9371
    @crackerjack9371 Před rokem +5

    0:59
    “normal functioning child”
    *clay’s head being bigger than his parents*

  • @curleyqreviews9793
    @curleyqreviews9793 Před 2 lety +16

    I think Clay's dad didn't take him on the hunting trip because he couldn't trust himself not to kill Clay for real

  • @PrismOpal64
    @PrismOpal64 Před rokem +3

    I still cannot BELIEVE that the man who voiced Clay is the same voice behind Baymax lol

  • @TheInfiniteAmo
    @TheInfiniteAmo Před 2 lety +87

    Moral Orel stands out to me for how well it depicts the narcissistic pathologies that were picked up in American conservative families in the 1950s/60s. Bloberta is the shining image of a refrigerator mother and Clay is a borderline sociopath, and the only thing preventing their kids from turning out the same way (or worse, permanently depressed and damaged) is the blessing that Orel is smarter than them and has a genuine religious connection to fall back on.

  • @giveupndie4559
    @giveupndie4559 Před rokem +4

    this show articulates just how my life would be if I ever start a family, it’s a great example of how not everyone should have a kid or pursue a relationship when they’re clearly not mentally okay

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 Před 2 lety +18

    I think the only nice thing Clay ever did for Orel was slap a zombie with his belt in the first episode, to keep it from biting him.

  • @NathanTarantlawriter
    @NathanTarantlawriter Před 2 lety +15

    Great show. So few animated (or claymated, claymotioned, whatever) programs deliver like Morel Oral an a range of satisfying levels. It deserved more episodes and seasons.

  • @zackman9230
    @zackman9230 Před 2 lety +52

    God, he makes Stephen Stotch look like a saint.

  • @pacoramon9468
    @pacoramon9468 Před 2 lety +10

    It was really funny how the whole town were scared when he said "to my studio" after Orel killed an old lady.

  • @mattb.4333
    @mattb.4333 Před rokem +16

    Everyone is banging on Clay but I think if the show would have continued to develop the characters then we would see that however flawed he was, there was reason for it. He was abusive to Orel because that is the only way received love from his father so that is the father he became. Even though not right, the abuse he gave to Orel was in a bizarre way, actually love. Not saying all the abuse was out of love but I think a good amount was, like the spankings in the study. Also, he mentions how he sacrifices a number of times throughout the show but we see him on the surface as being totally self-centered. However, at the end when we see he is the mayor and he has to get with Miss Censordoll to stop her from taking over the town, he literally saved the town. His sacrifice in hooking up with Censordoll cost him his last chance with his true love but he did what he had to do for the greater good. Clay was a very damaged person but I don't think he was a total monster. He was a product of life tearing a human down. HIs father, his wife introducing him to alcohol because she only knew love from men though her alcoholic father, and having to live a lie regarding his homosexuality. There were moments that seem like he is torturing people but it is his way of helping. Even in the bar where he confronts all the lies people were living, I think he was trying to bring truth to the people because it was the lies that destroyed everyone's lives in the town. Orel escaped the cycle because he knew more truth than anyone in the show, largely thanks to Clay's drunken rants. That was the common thread in the show, lies were destructive to everyone. Moment that seemed cruel may not have been so like when he did not give the family heirloom gun to Orel which was symbolic that he recognized the cycle of abuse and did not want it to continue. It is easy to call him a monster but I think you are missing the subtle character development the writers put into his story to make him a very complex and outwardly evil person that was at the core, pure just like Orel...only he could not stop the cycle himself because he could not face truth.

  • @redrasegarden
    @redrasegarden Před 2 lety +14

    I...feel a little sorry for the guy, only a little. He clearly had no functional relationships but seem to crave one

  • @scottblack7182
    @scottblack7182 Před 2 lety +38

    Gotta admit he is one of my favorite tv scumbags. His character gives an amazing view into the development of a narcissist. Everybody should get familiar with him because everybody has at least 1 in their personal life and that is an unwinnable situation.

  • @locustking6433
    @locustking6433 Před 2 lety +25

    He protected Orel from being eaten by a zombie.

    • @mr.x2567
      @mr.x2567 Před 2 lety +1

      Probably because he wanted him to live to become a little him

    • @mattb.4333
      @mattb.4333 Před rokem +1

      I think Clay wanted Orel to hate him so Orel would not want to be anything like him, thus breaking the cycle of abuse that Clay was victim of and not strong enough to break himself. I think Clay is misunderstood.

  • @RODENTENJOYERR
    @RODENTENJOYERR Před rokem +4

    The nicest thing Clay has every done is buy Orel band-Aids

  • @mrmoviemanic1
    @mrmoviemanic1 Před 2 lety +13

    Honestly I prefer that it would be Bloberta and Clay just staying together despite everything cause honestly they’re both terrible people that deserve each other and in someway I do feel that it’s kinda that they make peace with it if we take that by the end you see both of them still having a photo frame together in Orel’s home.

  • @Pwnisher249
    @Pwnisher249 Před 2 lety +35

    I actually never saw Clay as being truly bisexual. I think it's more that he's so desperate for anyone to love him the way he can't love himself, that he'll latch onto them regardless of what gender they are. It's not so much that Clay is attracted to other men. Stopframe validates Clay, and that's what draws him in.

    • @ThiccFurryBoi34
      @ThiccFurryBoi34 Před rokem +5

      I would think he was just a gay man that doesn’t like women as he never got attracted to his wife but then i remember he phone called pimp Orel to get him a lady and yeah he is bi

    • @shayla106
      @shayla106 Před rokem

      @@blabla187 If you say so, I think Clay is just a leech.

    • @shayla106
      @shayla106 Před rokem

      @@blabla187 The person underneath made a good point, clay called up Orell and slept with a prostitute. During the episode where Orell brought those prostitutes to town.

  • @TAGanimation
    @TAGanimation Před 2 lety +55

    As a teen, this was just a silly comedy series I've enjoyed (granted Ive never finished the series), I never expected the show to have this much lore, seriousness, and feels, lol.
    For Christ's sake, I thought this show was supposed to be a silly parody of "Davy and Goliath".

  • @justphantom2532
    @justphantom2532 Před 2 lety +87

    What is sad about clay is if his wife didn't trap him He might have been happy. Think about it. Bloberta would have married anyone. So at some point she would have probably gotten with the one. So Clay would have had the freedom to explore himself. He would have even been sober. At some point he might have met The coach and the two would have left the town because they clearly loved each other. enough to blind him from clay's bad traits.

    • @kahlencajka9891
      @kahlencajka9891 Před rokem

      i literally was thinking ab that, but clay still has the past of his dad making him feel worthless and shit, like he had a pretty fucking awful childhood, even without bloberta he still probably would've been a piece of shit

    • @MrEndstage
      @MrEndstage Před rokem +3

      Was he confirmed to be a good guy when they met. Like I know he didn't drink but wouldn't he still be a narcissist like when he was a kid or did I miss a part explaining it.

  • @racheljackson4428
    @racheljackson4428 Před 2 lety +31

    Whoa now THAT is a villain.

  • @alazkaalazka6087
    @alazkaalazka6087 Před rokem +2

    Clay drinking at the alter is fucking hilarious.
    S tier Character

  • @bcrunch4232
    @bcrunch4232 Před 2 lety +14

    Clay talks about lost commandants but to me he’s one of the most wicked souls in moralton.

  • @what-8302
    @what-8302 Před 2 lety +9

    I have to say Clay Puppington is my favorite character as well, but a lot of people hate him.

  • @juannaym8488
    @juannaym8488 Před rokem +8

    He's so deeply reprehensible. There are many horrible parental figures in all kinds of media, but something about Clay makes him so much worse than any other figure

  • @KaijinZSurohm
    @KaijinZSurohm Před 2 lety +9

    I spent a long time trying to remember this shows name.
    I never got to sit down and watch it. There was one scene I caught in passing at a friend house.
    Clay stood up in the den, after lecturing his son, and says "It's time to drink your dinner". Orel looks at his dad confused and asks "Don't you mean eat?"
    From which Clay just says "Whatever" while unzipping his pants.
    I'm glad I can finally know the name of the show.

  • @jacobgraham8363
    @jacobgraham8363 Před 2 lety +25

    He reminds me a lot of my father. Now my father, for all his faults and shitty behavior over the years, is by no means as evil as Clay by any means, I can confidently say that despite how awful he has treated me, my mom, and my sister, I know he still loves us. I know he feels guilty about the way he has acted, and part of that only reinforces the self hatred and depression that causes his bad behavior. While he isn't as cruel and hateful as clay, he has many of the same issues, the parental issues that cause him to be a shitty parent ( much less consistently awful as clay), the alcoholism to numb the pain, the fact they both feel trapped and lash out because of it (in my father's case his terrible health and disabilities make life very painful and difficult). It's both incredibly depressing, yet also sobering refreshing to see a show so accurately portray this kind of father. Makes me feel like someone can understand my situation as the son of this kind of man. A much less hateful version of this man, who never physically abused me or my family in anyway like clay did, but still hurt me in ways I am still kind of coming to terms with myself.

    • @imethdup5050
      @imethdup5050 Před 2 lety +1

      Sounds a hell of a lot like my dad i grew up to despise everything he stands for.

    • @jacobgraham8363
      @jacobgraham8363 Před 2 lety

      @@imethdup5050 my dad is about to get surgery for cancer and the fucked up part is that some small angry desperate part of hopes he will die, because it means I’ll be free of the negative influence he has over me and my family, he has been making my family and me miserable for years and I don’t think he has either the desire or the capability to change. I don’t really want him to die I just want him out of my life and I don’t know how else that could happen, he has latched into me and my family like a parasite so he can feed off any happiness we have.

    • @jacobgraham8363
      @jacobgraham8363 Před 2 lety +3

      @@imethdup5050 I can certainly understand the despising him part on the one hand I hate him on the other I don’t hate him enough to fully cut him out of my life I guess some small part of me still pities him and wants to see him get better even though I know that’s not possible.

    • @imethdup5050
      @imethdup5050 Před 2 lety +3

      @@jacobgraham8363 last time i saw hin was march 2021 at my baby sisters wedding, where i was informed he sold the car id been workin on out from under me, and destroyed everything i har peft over from childhood, all in all 100k+ worth of damages

  • @RollingBobbyJones
    @RollingBobbyJones Před 2 lety +80

    I don't see Clay as an irredeemable monster. I feel like he needs to learn a harsh lesson, quit drinking and get actual therapy when he can vent. Yes, he will have to start from square one like before Bloberta
    Clay sees his position as a father as a role, an act and does the bare minimum to fulfill that role as you can see, is an awful thing to see fatherhood as if you don't like doing it. Clay is a bit of a board to Orel before Nature. He does actually care about Orel because Orel is actually a good product from playing the role of father (sadly he holds the bottle before his son)(this is seen in Orel's recap episode). Even tho Orel gets into actually bad things that do get a spanking or more, Clay gives him half assed advice that doesn't avoid Orel getting beaten again (even though sometimes he does actually admit his advice was half assed and doesn't beat him) and then sends him on his way. He doesn't seem to do things because of his image since everyone knows his relationship with Stopframe (you referenced the episode where Orel bonded with Stopframe, Reverend Putty knew RIGHT AWAY before sending Oral to him and he has displays in the bar). He stays with his family because thats what he feels he has to do even tho he hates it.
    Saying Clay is just irredeemable is like making a monster, then hating the monster for being one when it didn't get a chance to be anything else.

    • @albertrobinson4576
      @albertrobinson4576 Před 2 lety +27

      To each their own, but Clay does half of the terrible things he does when he’s sober. At this point, he really is irredeemable. That’s kind of the point of the show. It’s that Orel learns that his Dad is too far gone. That’s the message of the final episode.
      And he totally does care about his image. He says as much when running for mayor and when telling Orel that he isn’t divorcing Bloberta. Yeah he cares about Orel, but he’s still a hopeless wreck.

    • @submissivelover
      @submissivelover Před 2 lety +35

      I'd say it's tough to consider Clay evil and irredeemable because....He's evil as compared to what? Who IS good? Bloberta is absolutely awful who manipulated and trapped Clay in this marriage to begin with and cheats on him, Coach is terrible and sabotaged and manipulated his way into Clay's life, i don't believe he was entitled to any good or positive ending, the reverend is a racist with an estranged daughter, It's clearly implied that the doctor murdered his wife in the bar confrontation....
      Selfishness rules ALL their lives, and i don't really know how you start to redeem...a single one of these people, so Clay being evil is REALLY difficult to assess, given his company.

    • @e-122psi3
      @e-122psi3 Před 2 lety +20

      I think one defense about Clay is that he was never really taught properly otherwise, his mother spoiled him stupid and his father abused and neglected him in an almost childish spite war. Everything in his life was 'abuse or BE abused', he was never really taught compassion. He is at heart still that spoiled brat taught by his mother to think the entire world must be damaged and wrong if it isn't revolving around him, never getting a real wake up call because most of the people around him are selfish too.

    • @RoninRen
      @RoninRen Před 2 lety +1

      @@e-122psi3 can I pile on, that poetic justice wise, in the episode, Presents for God, that the sores on Clay's mouth was proof, that he returned a wrong, that Bloberta did on to him,

    • @paperbagboi3185
      @paperbagboi3185 Před 2 lety +17

      @@albertrobinson4576 I don’t believe Clay is irredeemable, but I don’t think he ever had the intent nor motivation of changing for the better.

  • @maymayjones9955
    @maymayjones9955 Před 2 lety +12

    I’m so happy someone is making videos on moral oral. I just started watching it. And finished it already. But wanted to know more.

  • @goo3y
    @goo3y Před 2 lety +34

    love these videos man, moral orel is such a good show and I like seeing the attention its been getting lately!

  • @hiddenuser8755
    @hiddenuser8755 Před 2 lety +6

    It’s hilarious that the only good thing I can think of clay puppington doing is throwing an obviously depressed Orel a surprise party in the episode where he becomes an alcoholic

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 Před 2 lety +14

    I love how you can see what made Clay the way he was, how it's possible to have sympathy for him, but he is still utterly irredeemable.

  • @jeffweber7043
    @jeffweber7043 Před 2 lety +2

    Clay and Orel always reminded me of the butters and his dad dynamic when it first showed butters and his family in the butters show

  • @ryuspiritvtuber
    @ryuspiritvtuber Před 2 lety +10

    Fun fact: Clay was voiced by the same voice actor who voiced Baymax from Big Hero 6

  • @invadersickness
    @invadersickness Před rokem +8

    Honestly with Moral Orel getting more popular I would like to see if Adult Swim would be willing to continue with the series. Though I do like the ending with Orel actually building a happy family free from the abuse his parents put him through.

  • @lenamorris3117
    @lenamorris3117 Před rokem +2

    When we found out that he was the mayor it makes even more sense why he and blowberta cares so much about appearance and reputation. It's something that mirrors real-life very well, alot of politicians/celebrities will only show their best and try to hide the ugly in order to keep some sort of power. " look how happy we are, that's why you need me, so I can show you how to be happy and successful too "

  • @dontsubcribedontlike673
    @dontsubcribedontlike673 Před 2 lety +45

    4:40 "He has his occasional beer goggles..."
    "I NEVER...drink beer." - Clay
    Thanks for pointing out at 12:15 he never does a single nice thing for anyone in the show.
    Clay Puppington is the only character in media I've ever seen who is more evil than Walter White. (Although Omniman comes close)

    • @Ken-ru6or
      @Ken-ru6or Před 2 lety

      Omniman isn't that evil tbh

    • @marcusblackwell2372
      @marcusblackwell2372 Před 2 lety

      @@Ken-ru6or In the comics anyway

    • @wool578
      @wool578 Před 2 lety

      i refuse to believe someone that thicc is evil
      (omniman)

    • @mimszanadunstedt441
      @mimszanadunstedt441 Před 2 lety

      Griffith is as evil or more evil, and for the same reason. Narcissism.

  • @jaythehuman2552
    @jaythehuman2552 Před 2 lety +7

    Orel moral and xra were the two shows I stayed up to watch. Felt like they were a fever dream. But I some how was captivated by them. Your videos are great. I like the analysis you give, and the editing is awesome.

  • @eshaanreza832
    @eshaanreza832 Před rokem +7

    Clay: *Treats Orel like he treats his own mom*
    Arthur: *ACTUALLY HAS A LEGITIMATE REASON TO HATE HIM*

  • @monsterglacier
    @monsterglacier Před 2 lety +4

    This show was just a little ahead of its time. I could see this doing great alongside like bojack, tucca and bertie,,,

  • @balther10
    @balther10 Před 2 lety +13

    Why did this video skip over the part where clays dad says “you’re not worth it.” You can’t talk about clay without addressing this.

  • @ryanpauly8796
    @ryanpauly8796 Před 2 lety +5

    The nicest thing I've seen him do is buy Orel a box of bandaids when he asked for them that it for me.

  • @nuggetbomber5977
    @nuggetbomber5977 Před rokem +3

    The reason he ends up associating being beaten with being loved is that his father, at first, went to hit him but decided not to and said “you’re not even worth it” so whenever he was hit, he was seen as worth something

  • @OldSport83
    @OldSport83 Před rokem +3

    7:18 y’all are dirty for making this the most replayed part 💀

  • @postpunkfunk8009
    @postpunkfunk8009 Před 2 lety

    Your videos on this series reminds me why I love this show so much. Gonna go back and watch the series again thanks to your vids

  • @ashleightompkins3200
    @ashleightompkins3200 Před rokem +4

    I think if the show had gone on, you could write a dissertation on generational trauma with Moral Orel. Almost every character's problems seem to begin with their parents and that includes the 'original parent', God.

  • @yosiah1
    @yosiah1 Před 2 lety +6

    Love this show and I really like Clay. Very interesting character study and I really felt Clay embodied a lot of what the theme of the show was.

  • @tl32
    @tl32 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for making this vid! I think you really hit the nail on the head here

  • @naan000
    @naan000 Před rokem +2

    I saw someone say they thought that Clay would turn out to be the Devil in disguise or something