How Champions League teams figured Arsenal & Manchester City out

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  • čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
  • Welcome to The Athletic FC's CZcams channel, where best-in-class journalism meets video.
    Arsenal and Manchester City enter the second leg of the quarterfinals of the 2023-24 Champions League with all to play for.
    Mikel Arteta's side drew 2-2 against Bayern Munich at home, while Pep Guardiola's men drew 3-3 in spectacular fashion against a surging Real Madrid.
    What tactical lessons can we learn from the first leg games and how will the managers change their plans going into the second leg?
    Joe Devine, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie dig deep into the tactics and try to predict who will be crowned the Kings of Europe.
    This is The Athletic's Week in Football.
    #arsenal #championsleague #premierleague
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    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro
    00:55 Arsenal 2 - 2 Bayern
    01:16 How Bayern changed their gameplan against Arsenal
    06:54 Arsenal's Build-up Woes
    08:43 Who will win the second leg?
    10:46 Real Madrid 3 - 3 Man City
    11:26 Real v City Tactical Comparison
    14:52 Applied Tactics
    16:29 Which team's tactics gave them the upper hand?
    19:18 PSG 2 - 3 Barcelona
    19:38 Pau Cubarsi has the Wau Factor
    21:22 How do you stop Kylian Mbappe?
    25:12 Barcelona's New Blood
    28:13 Atletico 2 - 1 Dortmund
    29:19 Who will win the Champions League?
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Komentáře • 184

  • @hamidalbertoabudrussell9703
    @hamidalbertoabudrussell9703 Před měsícem +357

    I missed this trio so much. Their tactical analysis is second to none in today’s pundit landscape, and they do so while being funny.

    • @gentleken7864
      @gentleken7864 Před měsícem +17

      It's clear that The Athletic thought they were too silly and wanted only boring analysis. It's clear having someone like Adam Levanthal chairing the videos what they're after.

    • @viktoredv
      @viktoredv Před 29 dny +3

      Just need it as a podcast...

  • @isahamilton01
    @isahamilton01 Před měsícem +164

    The Jon Joe JJ trio is too powerful. Nothing else on youtube can match their abilities of football analysis. I’ve really been enjoying the new graphics, they’re all perfectly used and aren’t intrusive whatsoever. Kudos 👏

  • @manniking233
    @manniking233 Před měsícem +141

    UCL gives us these guys for two consecutive weeks. Let's not take that privilege for granted. I miss these guys together but I'll take what I can get...

  • @tianruixiao9239
    @tianruixiao9239 Před měsícem +18

    17:20 a rare laugh from Director Joe. I know we all love the tactical analysis but its the ridiculous questions that makes me love you guys.

  • @SWJ808
    @SWJ808 Před měsícem +27

    17:17 god I love Devine

  • @leothecat9609
    @leothecat9609 Před měsícem +25

    MORE OF THIS

  • @snake0sena
    @snake0sena Před 29 dny +15

    “I wasn’t in France” “no but the players were” 😂😂

  • @Audiostyleable
    @Audiostyleable Před měsícem +10

    As the everyman I would like to highlight that the videos from the athletic are 10x better with Joe devine

  • @Kaysfrancis
    @Kaysfrancis Před měsícem +15

    You guys are incredible. I can listen to you all day

  • @clivepalmer3545
    @clivepalmer3545 Před měsícem +11

    Quality Arsenal assessment. I would mid block Bayern next time and jump on occasion
    Give them no transition - their keeper is too good in buildup

    • @YomsterFUT13
      @YomsterFUT13 Před 29 dny

      EXACTLY i think we olay how we did vs City but more attacking and in a more expressive nature plus we'll have martinelli as an outlet. Bayern were great but feel we played into their hands so this time being away the onus will be on them. Plus this season i feel were a better team when we need to play for a draw and lock in defensively with saliba, gabriel and rice @6 (which is where he should be 2nd leg) and then keep a clean sheet first and then go try score. Arteta taking a leaf from his FA Cup Winning defensive run days and also a tad bit Simeone inspired. Tuchel got arteta first leg imo but 2nd i feeel like Mikel finally gets his statement win on the european stage. AC Milan '08 Stuff 🤞🏾🤞🏾

  • @Vociferous
    @Vociferous Před měsícem +10

    “How will managers change their plans going into the second leg”
    A plan that wasn’t was the fact that there wasn’t much defending happening for any tie, you cannot sit deep and invite oppositional pressure in the away leg, whilst not comfortably being in a position.

  • @jg7088
    @jg7088 Před měsícem +158

    It tells us that one manager is bald

    • @drex5160
      @drex5160 Před měsícem +10

      But which one tho? 🤔

    • @winter_silhouette
      @winter_silhouette Před měsícem +27

      Pep is just taller than his hair.

    • @ChadYu
      @ChadYu Před měsícem +1

      Perhaps we can infer that bald men are cute? 🤔

    • @robinthebobin6537
      @robinthebobin6537 Před 29 dny +2

      Pep's bald cap just hasn't broken yet. One day there'll be a strong gust of wind and it'll be revealed that he actually has long ginger hair (probably)

  • @mikaelvaldezco3983
    @mikaelvaldezco3983 Před měsícem +4

    just glad that Joe is back

  • @debagniksen7809
    @debagniksen7809 Před měsícem +5

    Joe's voice is music in the ears

  • @barca-vibe
    @barca-vibe Před měsícem +49

    This tifo irl crew needs to do more barca content… only sensible analyst in the athletic

  • @emmanuelonyono4517
    @emmanuelonyono4517 Před měsícem +2

    Great analysis bros for giving us deep understanding of the games.

  • @Sincerely.Eben.
    @Sincerely.Eben. Před měsícem +4

    These guys are just the best at talking about Football ⚽

  • @malevellysian
    @malevellysian Před měsícem +8

    jj's promo at the end instead of joe sounds like a drunk homeless person snuck himself into the studio:/

  • @tomdadude444
    @tomdadude444 Před měsícem +4

    This lot would make an engaging podcast

  • @fis9836
    @fis9836 Před měsícem

    ❤❤❤ great vid ;D

  • @zachmartin5647
    @zachmartin5647 Před měsícem

    Awesome editing. It made it super engaging

  • @cameronjones8641
    @cameronjones8641 Před měsícem

    You guys are the best 👌🏼

  • @deenofm3620
    @deenofm3620 Před 29 dny

    This content is absolutely brilliant guys! Please keep this up and make it as often as physically possible… Seriously I cannot get enough of your guys analysis. So thorough, so well done, please like this video and share it so that it is financially feasible for these guys to pump this content out!

  • @flickchic238
    @flickchic238 Před 29 dny +1

    These analyses are so great. I've learned so much about each team's tactics that can go unnoticed when watching their games in real-time.
    To be honest, I don't think Real Madrid's tactics are strong enough to defeat Man City. Madrid can score goals but when it comes to structure, I think City would have the advantage.

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510
    @athreyathandeswaran7510 Před měsícem +34

    Pedri, Gavi, Cubarsi, Yamal, Balde, Fort, Faye, Guille, Roque

    • @anshumansahu1087
      @anshumansahu1087 Před měsícem +6

      Foden, Rico Lewis, Claudio Echeverri, Oscar Bobb, Gvardiol, Doku, McAtee, Savinho, Yan Couto, Julian Alvarez, Haaland. With one of Wirtz/Musiala possibly inbound, the future is indeed very interesting.

    • @athreyathandeswaran7510
      @athreyathandeswaran7510 Před měsícem

      ​​@@anshumansahu1087Finley Gorman as well.
      Olise can join City.
      You also have Perrone. Neves can join City.

    • @anshumansahu1087
      @anshumansahu1087 Před měsícem

      @@athreyathandeswaran7510 Yes. Man City are seriously scouting Ruben Neves. Finley Gorman is a gem City brought from leeds recently.

    • @bread3017
      @bread3017 Před 27 dny

      @@anshumansahu1087 Very unlikely Wirtz or Musiala will join

    • @ChimwaniJohn
      @ChimwaniJohn Před 27 dny

      Who are these guys

  • @aka_jr
    @aka_jr Před měsícem +50

    For the culture, I need an Arsenal - Barcelona UCL final

    • @Montyweb
      @Montyweb Před měsícem +5

      That would be epic

    • @doodah111
      @doodah111 Před měsícem +6

      To avenge the injustice of 2006

    • @theo-go3br
      @theo-go3br Před 29 dny +5

      How poetic would it be to beat Porto (a good historical matchup for Arsenal), Bayern (a terrible historical matchup for Arsenal), Real (the literal greatest UCL club OAT), or City (their modern archnemesis and title holders), and finally Barcelona (for obvious reasons).

    • @jakubcygan8265
      @jakubcygan8265 Před 27 dny

      I'd bet my house on Arsenal in that game, but I won't bet it on them getting to the final

    • @marsx5886
      @marsx5886 Před 26 dny +1

      Welp

  • @dannysnooze
    @dannysnooze Před 16 dny

    can someone tell me what pad they are using and what app they are using to run the tactics board and analytics on games?

  • @dshannon565
    @dshannon565 Před 23 dny +1

    Bayern sitting back against arsenal is more reflective of bayerns form this season. If Bayern were running away with the league and were consistent I think they would’ve imposed their game on arsenal. Bayerns team is better than arsenal man for man in my opinion so they should look to impose themselves on arsenal. Arsenal are a very beatable side.
    On Barca I’d love to see a video on gavi on why he so good. I personally don’t rate him that highly. He doesn’t score, assists, play key passes, dictate the game or dribble so he’s not effective going forward even though he plays high up the pitch. Yes he presses well but once he gets the ball he needs to be effective.

  • @exgonzo64
    @exgonzo64 Před měsícem

    loving this new format

  • @thomasdavies2555
    @thomasdavies2555 Před 29 dny

    Love hearing yall talk…hi from Santa Barbara

  • @jarretc110
    @jarretc110 Před měsícem

    i'm so glad the athletic are here to tell me what to think.

  • @StephenIbegbu-qj7gh
    @StephenIbegbu-qj7gh Před měsícem +2

    But Enrique didn’t even help Mbappe
    He put him out wide when he’s meant to be in the Mbappe zone with Nuno Mendes out wide
    This is the same problem Arsenal are having with Martinelli
    These run in behind goal getters like Rashford, Mbappe, Son and Martinelli have no reason to be held out wide
    They’ll be limited in the game

  • @siddharthsehgal620
    @siddharthsehgal620 Před měsícem

    such a great video

  • @pozsoz
    @pozsoz Před 26 dny

    The quadruple J combo strikes again. I love you guys. Thanks

  • @lyndonroper6013
    @lyndonroper6013 Před měsícem

    Jon's Central Cordoba sweat is rad

  • @Pipemurillo12
    @Pipemurillo12 Před měsícem +1

    More Tifo hosts in the podcast please, love these guys beyond belief. I always thought the Athletic has sub-utilized their charisma into their business strategy

  • @AmarRanaDeshmukh
    @AmarRanaDeshmukh Před 27 dny

    More of these please

  • @jbri1
    @jbri1 Před 29 dny

  • @sami3648
    @sami3648 Před 25 dny

    This is the football podcast dream team

  • @michaelfincham7306
    @michaelfincham7306 Před měsícem +3

    I believe they call it 'probing'.

  • @buzzjens1
    @buzzjens1 Před měsícem

    These three men are the best football analysts itw

  • @kevinonyedikachukwu564
    @kevinonyedikachukwu564 Před měsícem +8

    Great analysis

  • @sjeskey8361
    @sjeskey8361 Před 27 dny +1

    Man i wonder if these 3 would work well in some sort of podcast format???

  • @josephashipala6249
    @josephashipala6249 Před měsícem +13

    I think Man city did well against Madrid cause u can see at the end of the game that Madrid where scard

  • @andytupman9874
    @andytupman9874 Před 29 dny +1

    love John's final point of that arsenal would lose to city in the next round even though they have played each other 3 times this year with arsenal winning 2 of them and the other being a 0-0 draw

  • @Untold-Football
    @Untold-Football Před měsícem

    John didn’t want that Arsenal fan angst 😂, finally you guys trusting the process 👌🏾

  • @andrewquick1609
    @andrewquick1609 Před 26 dny

    Bloody fantastic you trio of jackanapes

  • @willyum3920
    @willyum3920 Před 27 dny +1

    I really get the feeling JJ is in mourning for what he's lost from the old days. I absolutely love him but I want them back and let off the leash to sing songs about a frog who could kill a man and redesign the super league. .... ok I might be projecting but that is what I see in JJ. Love you man 👍

  • @MrOMGWTFROFL1
    @MrOMGWTFROFL1 Před měsícem +2

    Oh baby, TIFO is back

  • @wdred
    @wdred Před měsícem

    So JJ is kinda saying that Real, particularly on the left side were using relationism?

  • @arfung9871
    @arfung9871 Před měsícem +1

    Best trio

  • @jamesleiper6399
    @jamesleiper6399 Před měsícem

    Whilst both games were on I and probably John were watching Leeds draw nil nil

  • @pranaychaturvedi7311
    @pranaychaturvedi7311 Před 24 dny

    Jon, JJ, Joe partnership is like prime Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo

  • @DanielS10291
    @DanielS10291 Před 29 dny

    Omg is this the podcast back?

  • @sewaeric
    @sewaeric Před 27 dny

    But u stopped making game tactical analysis on tifo

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReport Před měsícem +5

    What's with these Sat morning releases?

    • @imacat123
      @imacat123 Před měsícem

      Friday evening pst

    • @DK-nc9wr
      @DK-nc9wr Před měsícem +2

      @@imacat123 I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume the crew is based in the UK. Hence OP's question.

  • @MrElias2002
    @MrElias2002 Před 25 dny

    These guys are much better than the so called pundits on Sky, ESPN and CNBC.

  • @gabrielguerrero3404
    @gabrielguerrero3404 Před 24 dny

    Try telling pep that. He’s the most stubborn manager in the world. After watching man city this whole season I can say that if a 500 minute match existed with unlimited substitutions and man city conceded in the 1st min without being able to score until the 499th minute pep wouldn’t change a thing over that much time(talking about style of play not substitutions )

  • @benharmon7369
    @benharmon7369 Před měsícem +1

    PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI! PEDRI!

  • @grid462
    @grid462 Před 25 dny

    I think I recall John Stones basically being hailed as the MVP for City last season. How devastating have his absences been this season? Or has he no longer been as critical to the team?

  • @beerd__af
    @beerd__af Před 28 dny

    The removal of the away goals rule makes both of the first leg games almost pointless. means the 2nd leg starts at 0-0

  • @alfflasymphonyx
    @alfflasymphonyx Před měsícem

    In regards to MBAPPE, the M is silent so pronounce it BAPPE. 😇

  • @himdamnself
    @himdamnself Před měsícem

    Latest homegrown players. And someone had to mention Harry Kane.

  • @danielseddon5213
    @danielseddon5213 Před měsícem +17

    I'm all for infographics, but this is too busy on-screen to watch and enjoy. For me at least.
    Felt like watching guardiola's recent press conferences with the moving billboards behind him.

    • @danielseddon5213
      @danielseddon5213 Před měsícem +2

      P.s. loved the analysis though

    • @xykostorm
      @xykostorm Před měsícem +1

      Agreed. Over edited - still good- but too much

    • @donukb
      @donukb Před měsícem +1

      Yeah, that's fair. This will be improved on for next week. Thanks for your input and thanks for watching!

    • @liamness
      @liamness Před měsícem +2

      But without these graphics, how will people who don't know what the word "deferential" means follow along with the discussion?

    • @Cbb3225
      @Cbb3225 Před měsícem +2

      As a casual fan, I appreciated the insight into tactics I hear often but don’t really know like pressing styles

  • @koutanot
    @koutanot Před měsícem +1

    Bayern can barely cope with arsenal in second half. Not sure what u mean

  • @abukhalidali1823
    @abukhalidali1823 Před 29 dny

    Let's see

  • @maulanna
    @maulanna Před měsícem +4

    JONNN MCKENZIE!!!!

  • @chrishoward8500
    @chrishoward8500 Před měsícem +6

    Drawing in Madrid is being figured out? Guess City were figured out last year too

  • @jbri1
    @jbri1 Před 29 dny

    Is that Doe Jevine?

  • @theach84
    @theach84 Před měsícem +9

    8:45 Too many Arsenal fans exaggerate the defensive “problem” of Zinchenko while completely dismissing how he makes our whole team better. He literally does not give away that many goals. He makes the first second phase of our buildup much better. Arteta knows better and keeps trusting him.

    • @robinthebobin6537
      @robinthebobin6537 Před 29 dny +1

      Agreed, after seeing how Arteta's revitalised our club over the last few years, I'm inclined to believe he probably knows what he's doing.

    • @MrYisus217
      @MrYisus217 Před 28 dny +1

      he forgot that he was defending against aston villa, bailey's goal

  • @vishalchatterjee7510
    @vishalchatterjee7510 Před 22 dny

    Funny how both John and JJ took arsenal qualifying for granted.

  • @chrisgarty
    @chrisgarty Před 27 dny

    @13:55 Joe really trying to derail JJ with all the comments about probing and penetration 😆

  • @snoopos
    @snoopos Před měsícem

    Do they do this analysis on other teams? Proper giving other teams' analysts on how to beat Arsenal 😅

  • @shottskies
    @shottskies Před 27 dny

    It will be a miracle if Madrid beat city in a few hours I feel… hurts me to say though

  • @arunnm24
    @arunnm24 Před 29 dny

    Joe fighting the good fight to keep the goofiness alive

  • @medelalmi
    @medelalmi Před 29 dny

    19:00 so i'm an analyst then ? thanks

  • @weeds56
    @weeds56 Před 29 dny

    Brill

  • @theromalepe8600
    @theromalepe8600 Před 25 dny

    The Man City prediction has aged poorly already 😂

  • @FlashMeterRed
    @FlashMeterRed Před měsícem +1

    No. Champions league teams have Champions league-level attacks

  • @kingkenzokwansa
    @kingkenzokwansa Před 28 dny

    6:40 if you're going to name drop the culprits for the goal why not mention your countryman Rice as well?
    He has been awful since coming back from the international break with England

  • @shadowside8433
    @shadowside8433 Před měsícem

    The chess game continues...

  • @allantoxic-101k
    @allantoxic-101k Před měsícem +9

    The only problem about Arsenal vs Bayern previous game ,is that Arteta forgot that Bayern winger can run faster than kiwior..Arsenal can win in Munich 2-1

  • @samwalker8821
    @samwalker8821 Před měsícem

  • @bhvithai5327
    @bhvithai5327 Před 28 dny

    I can only imagine that if Grealish were a UAP, he would both probe and penetrate.

  • @dookula
    @dookula Před měsícem

    Martin Erdagore

  • @1972adamw
    @1972adamw Před 25 dny +1

    How delicious would it be...if PSG and Real Madrid meet in the Finals?

  • @jbri1
    @jbri1 Před 29 dny

    Unbelievable, Joe and Jon using long words like deferential

  • @athreyathandeswaran7510
    @athreyathandeswaran7510 Před měsícem +1

    Bayern, City, Atleti and PSG thru imo
    PSG winning the whole thing. Kane bottling in the final.

    • @liesideways
      @liesideways Před měsícem +3

      Zero ball knowledge

    • @lukew6725
      @lukew6725 Před 29 dny +1

      Lmao, PSG in the ucl is more likely to bottle than Kane. 😂

  • @IggyGoesPop666
    @IggyGoesPop666 Před měsícem +2

    The Athletic guys ... can you do a show about the Mickey Mouse David Moyes defeatist so called tactics???

  • @gravy3858
    @gravy3858 Před měsícem +1

    For a random American: do you think JJ Bull would be hard to understand? His accent doesn’t seem TOO strong to me.

    • @callmedo
      @callmedo Před měsícem +1

      No, he is not hard to understand. But I can understand Carragher with no problem also so maybe it's just me haha

    • @TheLumberjocks
      @TheLumberjocks Před měsícem +1

      Im not a native speaker and can follow him easy. So for an American should be easy

  • @lowersaxon
    @lowersaxon Před měsícem

    Kluba Inglada a desappontionada alla matckas futballa Europea! Arsenala 2:2 a nixa sufficantionada. Chancka minimalia a stadione Allianza inda Municha. Leverpola a una katastropa extravaganza alla historia kluba. Nixa chancka alla secondo lego! Sola Manchesteria City a una gutska chancka forn secondo lego recka semifinalia! Takse mycke. Thank you much. Vielen Dank.

  • @ibrahimadat
    @ibrahimadat Před 15 dny

    Gosh I really get frustrated by Jon mckinzies analysis, it’s classic example of arrogance of someone that understands a small aspect of something (tactics) but regularly misses the larger point.
    He’s so obsessed by in possession control that he thinks for some reason it’s superior, when it’s not.
    The best champions league teams never play like that, with two notable exceptions, Barcelona with messi and city last year which wasn’t even traditional in possession control.
    The reason it’s so successful in a league format is because it maintains possession against teams of considerably lower quality, reducing them to a few high quality chances rather than sustained attacks.
    At the business end of the champions league against the best teams it’s quite clearly suboptimal and actually makes the teams a bit toothless

  • @wycliffenyangate5018
    @wycliffenyangate5018 Před měsícem

    a PROBE and a PENETRATION.

  • @levikonel3232
    @levikonel3232 Před měsícem +2

    First today

  • @Ruony24
    @Ruony24 Před měsícem

    What's a Dune Too, guys ?

  • @ChriSX13
    @ChriSX13 Před měsícem

    i was today years old when i learned that you cannot be offside in your own half

    • @lukew6725
      @lukew6725 Před 29 dny +1

      Just wait until you find out that you can't score an own goal from a free kick. 😆

  • @AbdallahAyman-mz4uf
    @AbdallahAyman-mz4uf Před 25 dny +3

    Both Are Out LOL

  • @Al-Brewster
    @Al-Brewster Před 25 dny

    Spoiler alert for the second leg

  • @rolitshindane5742
    @rolitshindane5742 Před 29 dny

    Sign of respect but also I think it highlights a problem arsenal have in the LHS of team. Xhaka was not properly replaced and it's affecting martinelli. Rotating LB's hasn't helped either. We're loosided team which means we're easier to stop. Hence the struggles in build up, it's down to the lack of a proper left 8

  • @cescabhi
    @cescabhi Před měsícem

    LOL the disrespect to dortmund, barely spoken about for 2 minutes

    • @Epsilon04
      @Epsilon04 Před měsícem +4

      Never deserve any respect ever again after how they threw the title away last season. Pathetic club.