Succession of the Prophet and the event of Ghadeer | Sunni View Shaykh Ayman Yacoub | CIMS (1/3)
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Program date: 19th January 2019
The succession of the Prophet and the event of Ghadeer, Sunni View Shaykh Ayman Yacoub. (Part 1 of 3 videos)
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I am Sunni,but must admit that no matter how one juggles with the meaning of the term" Maula or whatever interpretive gymnastics one may play with it, will ever remain unconvincing.
Ours is a case of " Cognitive Dissonance."
Defending the indefensible.
Hadees-e-Ghadeer must be viewed within the historical context and cumulative related Hadees narrations.
Think about this.
The Prophet made such elaborate arrangements to constitute the mass gathering only to say that Hazrath Ali is
his " friend"? Really??
thank you my brother ! at least you think about it and you don't believe the indefensible. it's crazy how they want to take us for people without intelligence so that we obey the finger and the eye
I'm Sunni, no matter how you try to twist the message, Ali is the rightfully successor of the prophet. Please let us be honest
May God bless those who absorb the LOGICAL MEANING of MAWLA/WALI with the CONTEXT of the message of Prophet.
Read all of this if you genuinely are seeking answers. On the 18th day of Dhul-Hujjah, rasool Allah (saww) gather thousand upon thousands of Muslims, muhammad (saww) then grabs Ali ibn abi talibs hand, and raises it high and said the famous lines "fa ma kuntum mowla fa hatha ali mowla" to whomever I was their master, this ali is also their master. Notice kuntum, is an Arabic word that translates to "I was" or "I were" meaning past-tense. Rasool Allah (saww) said before the sermon, "I am about to leave dunya." Indicating that it was revealed to him that he was soon going to pass away. This is all in sunni sources. According to sunni sources, muhammad (saww) then orders all the muslimeen to come and congratulate ali and shake his hand. Everyone did. Some People were not happy about it. On the 18th day of Dhul-Hujjah (*NOTICE* THE SAME DAY OF EID AL GHADEER) the quranic verse 5:3 was revealed "This day I have perfected for you your religion, and have bestowed upon you My bounty in full measure, and have been pleased to assign for you Islam as your religion. (Follow, then, the lawful and unlawful bounds enjoined upon you.)16 As for he who is driven by hunger, without being wilfully inclined to sin, surely Allah is All-Forgiving, All-Compassionate."
As for shia sources, confirming imamah is easy, but you would reject most sources because they are "shia sources and most likely fabricated" but all of that I mentioned ^ can be found in sunni Literature. In kitab sulaym al qays, there is a hadith that states ali ibn abi Talib said to Abu bakr and umar, on the day of saqifa (the day abu bakr elected himself as successor of muhammad (saww)): "Did you two (abu bakr and umar) not give me bay'a only a few weeks ago (referring to eid al ghadeer)" that's in kitab sulaym ibn al qays page 15-30.
So let's recap. Sunni perspective: Muhammad (saww) gather thousands of Muslims, so he can say "I am going to pass soon, and before i pass i wanted you all to know that ali is my friend" "now come and shake his hand and congratulate him for being my friend" which just sounds like a bunch of nonsense. Because apparently at that time sunnis say ali was hated, so muhammad wanted to make it known that hes friends with ali so people can be nice to him. Just sounds like total nonsense. And quran 5:3 although was revealed the same day, has no link to the event. Makes sense...
Or the more logical explanation. Muhammad (saww) knew his days were numbered, was revealed by Allah (swt) that his successor should be ali ibn abi Talib, so he gathers the muslimeen, both men and women, and told them all that if I WAS your master, then this ali is your master. Then people congratulated him for what was bestowed upon him, and the quranic verse was revealed that same day, in direct link to that event. And thats that. Which one makes more sense?
the problem with the sunni interpretation of this one event is everything else stacks up against it. you have the prophet saying to imam ali on another occasion you are to me what aaron was to moses except that there is no prophet after me [ read what the quran says about what aaron was to moses}, you have the event of mubahala where the prophet takes imam ali as his naffs, you have the event of khaibar where again imam ali was chosen by allah to conquer, you have the revealing of surat al towbah where abu bakr was called back and imam ali had to reveal it after the angel gabriel intervened and said it wasnt permissible for abu bakr to do so, you have him being chosen to wed the best woman of the umma fatima who later allah decides to make them along with the prophet and his two sons part of the purified of household. the list of virtues that indicate superiority in allahs eyes are unmatched.... surely allah wouldnt confuse the umma to have him him star in all these moments and have very specific things said to him and about him like on the day of ghadeer only to have it mean nothing like some schools are implying
One of the most sensible and balanced discussions of this subject I have ever seen. Thank you noble Shaykh Ayman!
The issue I have is how did the Prophet not appoint a successor, given that the twenthree year old community does need a leader. Having a will and nit deciding on a successor is not logical. With respect to the other Khalifa, I feel Ali bin Talib was appointed the successor.
The argument that the word mawla was used at khutbah al-ghadeer to show that meant love. But wouldn't it be a stronger argument that the word mawla was used as a sign of authority even if it was juxtaposed on the event in Yemen, because at that time Sayyidina Ali (RA) was their mawla (he was the commander of that army). So mawla, however you want to look at it, carries the meaning of authority.
The downplaying of the authority of Ali caused problems in the Muslim community which reverberates even today.
Watching for the second time today, and I appreciate the foreword by the speaker. It sounds like he’s trying very hard to understand what took place. Give him lots of credit
you can beat around the bush all your life, the truth will remain the truth, that is to say that the prophet (saw) chose imam Ali (as) to guide the ummah after him
Out of context. Trying to present an indoctrinated view rather than examining the truth. The Shia explanation is far more convincing.
all your questions and answers about Sahi hadith are answers in the following books Peshawar nights, then I was guided and black Thursday, and al murajeaat, must read these and get the truth, i came closer to true religion after reading these and more closer to allah.
My family for example my siblings and parents , nieces and nephews "we in the immediate (family) living in the household for years know my father better than any of his friends etc. How he sleeps and prays and eats etc.. etc..etc . So Ali and Fatima know Hassan and Hussein peace be on all them would know the truth and so on and son down the family line. Simple and pure..To say No is very uneducated or worst.
Tirmidhi 3712 discusses exactly this incident about the booty. At the end of the Hadith, you will read the Prophet said: “Ali is the Wali of every believer AFTER me.” So this argument isn’t helpful. Also, this Hadith talks about 4 people being upset with Imam Ali. Why does the Prophet need to announce it to 100,000 people?
be afraid of God and not of the reaction of men when you recognize that Imam Ali (as) is the authority after the prophet (saw)
Is it possible that the speakers can post their presentations on some website? (If they still have it)
If Ali agreed, why did he delay bayah for 6 months? Where in the Quran is there a single example of khilafah being chosen by the people? Rather in every relevant verse Allah says he appoints the Khalif. So on what basis did Umar, Sa’d and others have the right to establish their own khilafah? As for rejecting the khilfah of Abu Bakr, many did. Look at the ridda wars - Musnad Ahmad 239 - this was about taxes that the companions refused to pay, and Abu Bakr murdered them. Tirmidhi 3103 - hafiz of the Quran being murdered. Why were they refusing the taxes to Abu bakr? Because he was deemed illegitimate.
You can’t just brush off the Semantics like that
Ruler and successor of the prophet was only appointed by Allah, all of the prophet of God was only conveying the massage that had been appointed to them, because God want to test who is really got the message clear.
Weren't abubakr and umar against election of zayds son by the prophet to head the Muslim army against the Romans?
Or. This matter of political power and succession, the exercise of political power and it´s relation to the individual person and how accountability was shared between the two, was left to the societies that eventually were made up of individuals professing themselves to Islam in the way they understood it? And so, Islam avoided the danger of stagnating into a 7th century Arabia mode of governance for ever and instead allowed for this part of human social development to remain in the hands of humans although in principle guided by their belief system but never imposed. Always by choice. Which would mean Islam as a religion is geared towards the believers themselves and not towards creating government and states and armies and other purely political activities. This was never a mandate and was never what "Khilafah" was about, although it did not preculde (or forbid ) it of course.
If Prophet muhammad s.a.w.w was disobeyed even in his last few days by his sahabas especially by umar ibn Khattab.and he was citizen when he app0inted Osama bin zaid as the commander in chief to attack the roman for the revenge of zaid bin harith
Disregard all the references, just observed what had happened as regard to the event of Ghadir khum. More than 100,000 attended but nobody revolt against the appointment of Abu Bakar. Ali also attended but he didn't fight for his Immamate /caliphate. That shows the shite is manipulating the event.
Abu bakr umer and Usman are imam of Ali. Ali prayed in their immamat in 25 years in masjid e nabvi. Ali obeyed their official orders in 25 years during the khilafat. Ali got Mal e ganeemat by their official orders in 25 years. Ali contested to be 3rd khalifa e Rashid after nominating 2nd khalifa Umer. Ali became 4th khalifa e Rashid of momuneen.
If you only believe in Ali then you should also have believe on those which were respected and obeyed by Ali.
This is a matter of making peace with someone to avoid bloodshed and to prevent the destruction of what the prophet created in 23 years. Ali would rather see his child (Islam) be raised by someone else other than him rather than the child be killed and forgotten
during their caliphate, the first 3 often referred to Imam Ali (as), they asked for his help for justice because he knew how to judge according to the Koran