Pilots Lost Control After Takeoff (Heavy Lift Kai Tak Disaster) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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Heavy Lift/Pelita Air at Kai Tak
If there is ever a phase of a flight where pilots are amongst the most attentive, it would be during the take-off. A flight crew not only needs to get the aircraft off the ground but also needs to monitor the plane’s performance. A lot goes on during this delicate time, especially within the plane’s engines. It’s rare for things to go wrong but every pilot is trained for that moment when problems arise. Pilots are extremely talented people; they know what they’re doing. So when the flight crew of one plane in 1994 started rolling down the runway, they never could have imagined that in less than one minute, they’d be staring death in the face.
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Disaster breakdown could you do a double feature of Thai 311 and pia 268? Both flights crashed on approached to Kathmandu just two months apart but crashed for different reasons that led to changes that made Kathmandu safer!
@@pennywaltz4601 Yes actually. I want to make a bigger video about Kathmandu Airport in general. That's going to be a big project so it wont come just yet.
That was another great video, why I can’t find the like button now ?
@@DisasterBreakdown Great video,also can you do the 1998 ariana afghan boeing 727 crash or Kam air 904 or malayisia 370, please
Also there was a plane crash involving a Hercules in 2019 in the Drake Strait
I am an aviation geek from the UK and research a lot into incidents and accidents. I know a lot about the more well known accidents inside and outside of my country and I would not have known about some of the lesser known accidents like BEA Flight 411, which happened at my local airport, if I hadn't stumbled across your channel. It's amazing to see how much effort you put into it and how much you find out about these accidents some people may not know, keep up the good work!
Thanks, glad you like the content :)
@@DisasterBreakdown you're welcome
Hello, northern neighbour in Scotland! There’s a few interesting ones you may not have heard of, like the Loganair Incident where they _just_ survived due to a glitch (Loganair Flight 6780), the crash site at Fairy Lochs which happened at the end of WWII (USAAF Liberator crash), a memorial is on site where one of the props is next to the plaque (difficult terrain to walk to but plenty pics online), and another lesser known crash happened near Braemar (Vickers Wellington R1646) which has a whole story too it.
Andy Brown at age 15 wanted to use the crashed crafts engine as a memorial, he was one of the few search parties able to look around the area due to the weather, along with his father (a local cop) and a couple of volunteers, nobody survived the crash. At age 76 his hard work paid off when the memorial was constructed, with help from Brown got permission from the MOD to retrieve the engine remains of the Wellington Bomber R1646, with help of RAF Lossiemouth and the Sutherland Highlanders, and in 2003 it was put in place and the town had pipers, the military, The Princess Royal and other dignitaries came to pay respects. The memorial is just in the centre (can be seen on google maps) next to the bridge and hotel (Braemar isn’t a big place haha), but has seating next too it, is next to a WWI/WWII memorial, and has an information panel explaining the whole story. Whilst the loss of life is tragic, the story behind the memorial is quite beautiful, as it took 61 years to get there. So there’s a few lesser known Scottish ones you might not have heard of :)
Glad they used the Shorts Belfast on the opening page
i had asiana 214 happen near me
The Hercules is just one of those timeless classics. It’s like the Crown Victoria of the skies. Reliable, purposeful, no bullshit.
A man of culture and learning I see.
I was an Air Traffic Controller in the tower at Cairns International Airport, QLD, Australia, in the ‘noughties. HeavyLift operated the world’s last flying Shorts Belfast from there, mostly on mining charters. It’s a big beastie, and one day when it was landing on RWY15, one of the starboard props went into un-commanded reverse pitch right before touchdown. For the control tower, it looked bad, with the Belfast suddenly yawing and dipping to the right. The crew reacted quickly and the Belfast touched down and the other three engines were reversed, though as I recall there was a small runway excursion.
And some Shorts that were not in Belfast, but Australia, were probably changed soon after.☝️
(Saw the joke. Couldn't help myself. They couldn't either.)
Your videos are a prime example of why CZcams exists. What an amazing Saturday now that your video is out 🌹🌹
Wow, thank you!
DB you're going from strength to strength. Your narration is so smooth, your visuals appealing, your research all-encompassing, and all in a 15-20 minute video.
But you know what I love most about them? That little "hello everyone" at the start of the Patreon credits. It's just so cheery and genuine. It gives me a warm feeling and a smile that makes my eyes crinkle and now I'm getting crows feet (which is definitely not because I am in my early 30s and how dare you for suggesting it 😛)
You deserve all the success chica 😘
Thank you for your kind words!
I'm nearly in my 30s myself, I'll be joining you soon!
I'm 49...my face has developed multiple embarrassing features. But Chloe is still awesome.🤗
I cannot begin to imagine how the Captain must have felt being the lone survivor of the crew. Great video that I learned something new from.
You keep finding lesser discussed crashes, or new info on well known ones, which is awesome.
Keep it up
Expect more lesser known incidents to be discussed in the coming weeks!
@@DisasterBreakdown can't wait, i've watched so many videos on plane crashes that i know almost every single one of the better known ones so i really appreciate these videos on lesser known ones as well as the videos on other types of incidents like the train videos you did
I was living near Kai Tak in early 90s as a primary shcool kid, could see planes touching down at runway 13 from my room. I can still rememebr this accident as it's a big news in the local at that time, involved in a rare accident at Kai Tak and a high profile deporting mission. Thank you for covering this accident.
Saturdays are always better when there's a new DB video. Thanks, Chloe!
You're so welcome!
Love your videos- how you tell the story without fluff or unnecessary stuff, and explain things laypeople wouldn't understand, it's amazing! Keep it up!!
You are wonderful Chloe & always narrate your videos with such compassion. Furthermore the music you choose for the background always reflects this compassion. Never change Chloe, you are a lovely person & I really hope you have now found contentment in you life.
I looked up 7 x 7 cable. It is 7 wires woven into 7 strands, which I believe are then woven together to form the cable. I don't know what standards were when that aircraft was built, but the info I saw clearly indicates that those 7 x 7 cables ARE (currently) NOT intended for aircraft use. Apparently, 7 x 19 cables are used. The 7 x 7 cables are intended for industrial and marine use. I wonder if this crash had anything to do with a possible revision of standards.
Once again you have done a fantastic video. I binge listen to your videos while working. It helps pass the time and adds a bit to your views
I do make sure to actually watch them because the quality deserves the attention. Thanks as always.
Nice video! I was waiting for this! Keep it up!
I literally just woke up (1:20pm UK time) and I open CZcams and see this… today is a good day
Must of had a good Friday Night! Have a good rest of your Saturday!
Big thanks Chloe, I always look forward to your Saturday videos
Chloe, it’s so so cool to hear how much your voice has changed
A good video, but I have a little bit of criticism.
Beta-Mode or Beta-Range is a low-power setting of a turboprop engine and not "reverse". During the Alpha-Mode (high-power setting) the propeller pitch is auto-controlled by the propeller governor. In Beta-Mode, the Pilot can (theoretically) choose whatever propeller-pitch she wants, 90° (feathered), 0° (no trust), -X° (reverse trust). Turboprop engines are normally in Beta during start up, idling and taxi.
Second, it might be interesting to mention, Turboprop aircraft, especially the high wing ones with wing-mounted engines, produce a lot of lift from the air that is pushed by the propeller around the wing. If this engine is suddenly reversing the airflow, it not only loses the airflow created by the propeller, the propeller also blocks the airflow created by the forward motion through the air. So in this case, it is possible that areas of the right wing have aerodynamically stalled, and a recovery wasn't possible at all.
I love your detail in explaining the accidents. I’d love to hear your take on the Surinam Airways Flight 764 crash.
I'll add it onto my list to look at, thanks!
Another great video, Chloe! Another Saturday with a lesser known (or at least "Lesser Discussed") crash with some new (to me) details and a solidly iconic aircraft to mention...
If you're interested in historical moments, the 1956 crash of Pan Am flight 6 might be worthy of your imminently well researched attention. Capt. Ogg managed the first crash of an airliner at sea where 100% onboard SURVIVED... There's even likely some space in there to mention the 1955 crash of a similar Stratocruiser in which 4 were killed, and Ogg even mentioned it was in his mind when he determined how he preferred to handle the crisis...
What doesn't seem so clear is quite why he preferred contacting the USCG vessel "Pontchartrain" and circling overhead "until dawn" rather than even attempt a run at San Francisco, where he seemed to be trying to go originally. Maybe, it's all about the proximity to rescue personnel as opposed to the Coast Guard ship trying to track and/or follow, but I'm "stuck in supposition" (lolz)...
Anyways, it's an interesting little story, and I (for one) would love your commentary about it... There aren't a lot of videos about Stratocruisers, either... so maybe something of a bonus... The U.S. Coast Guard DOES have video in their archives, though I'm not entirely sure how easy it is to get ahold of... BUT it's worth the mention.
AND I hope you're doing well. You've done great growing this channel and community on a keen passion for aviation and advancing public knowledge of lessons from the past! You deserve every benefit for the work. ;o)
great video, as always!
Thanks!
watching this was my reward for writing my organic chemistry midterm. so worth it. such an intriguing accident
Good luck on your midterm! Most of all, congratulations for actually knuckling down and writing it. Knowing good rewards that will motivate you is not always easy, and oft overlooked.
As Always great content ❤
Thanks!
Big fan of your content and easy to listen to voice...Good luck for future endeavours
Thank you!
Great video!
Thanks!
Really regrettable, especially since the aircraft had more than one set of crew onboard.
Loosing thrust of one engine on the Hercules is manageable at the speed of 120 Knots and pilots are trained to handle the situation in the simulator, but having any engine go into Beta mode while airborne just after T/O is almost impossible to recover from unless the Flight Engineer or the pilot monitoring calls"Throttle Cable Failure # ..." and the pilot flying calls immediately: "Shut Down #..." while trying control the thrust asymmetry.
The irony is that a cable failure renders the Condition Lever ineffective in cutting fuel to the affected engine and the Fire T Handle needs to be quickly pulled to shut the engine down.
I wonder whether the Lockheed change of Throttle Cable Failure emergency procedure to start with pulling the Fire T Handle after this particular accident. One question I raise whether the accident L-100 was fitted with a Cockpit Voice Recorder and what were the recommendations following the accident investigation.
Very nice! Best video!
Thank you very much!
Heavy Lift used to operate out of my Local airport , Stansted,( I think Transmeridian became Heavy lift) , they were one of the few who did in the 70's and 80's , its now a very busy airport , thanks for this.
A great and well constructed video. TMAC was a separate although closely associated company with Heavylift. TMAC flew exclusively CL44D until taken over by Cunard with DC8. Cheers all from LHSeat T-Mac
Wow! In the last 30 days you have gained over 4,000 subscribers! That is awesome... 😄
Amazing chloe great video. Always very well presented and also very interesting 👍
First Air Force plane I ever got to ride in was the C-130. The C-130 is like a rattling, bouncing cattle car in turbulence, and the constant odor of the fuel kinda worried me. The loadmaster, who functions like a flight attendant, told me the smell will go away when we reach cruising altitude. Super stable flight even in storms, just not a big fan of the web strap seats!
Good video. Probably seven years ago I worked a contract down in San Bernardino on a Mexican Air Force C-130L for about ten months until someone stopped paying my contractor outfit. We worked on it so long that a cat snuck in and had kittens behind one of the electronics racks. I think it was in the vicinity of forty years old. That was labor intensive for us avionics guys and we never even got a chance to finish and see it fly off.
I love your videos. Have you ever checked out Mentour Pilot? As a prior military maintainer, I find these videos very interesting and I appreciate the angles from the narrator.
Yeah Mentour Pilot makes amazing videos!!!
@@DisasterBreakdown I'd love to see a collab between you both!
Great simulator work! 👍👍👍
You should do a video about the Argentinian LAPA accident in 1999, the worst aviation accident that happened in Argentina and, by now, the last one to happen from what I remember.
The C-130 (and ALL its variants) is my all-time favorite aircraft and they are making it even more awesome by developing an amphibious version. They are bringing back the flying boat and they are doing it with my Hercules. I am over the moon about the announcement.
Y'know I never knew the l-100 existed. Really would have just assumed it a c-130. So the more y'know thanks for the tidbit
If engine 4 beta lamp was u/s and the other three were intact then I conclude that it was NOT damaged during the crash.
Why is it that the "authorities" always ignore the blatantly obvious in these "accidents".
The C130 Hercules has to be the most successful and widely used military plane in history. It has been around since 1951 It has been used by all four branches of the US military. I know Canada uses them. The UK and other allies use them too. They have also been put to civilian use. The US Department of Justice uses them to transport prisoners between federal prisons. They are versatile and durable. They can be modified to take of and land on very short runways. They have even landed on aircraft carriers. Simply a great plane.
Another excellent video Chloe!
Thank you!!
I remember an airliner taxied into one of the ponds that were a feature between the runway and the apron. I don't recall any others.
Greetings from Chile, great video as always!
Was wondering if you could do a video on a chilean accident, like LAN flight 107, where a DC-6 took the wrong route and crashed into the Andes mountains, to this day is our deadliest air accident
I've loved the Herc ever since "Transformers" during the "bring the rain" scene ❤️
You might want to take a look at Avianca 11. It seems to be the 747 crash no-one talks about. I think another intresting one would be NLM 431.
I think he made a video on Avianca flight 11 already
@@fsega3669 DB uses she/her pronouns :)
Since Beta Mode creates reverse thrust, could the pilot have recovered by chopping power from engine #4?
That might have reduced the asymmetric thrust on the aircraft.
I did not know about this crash even though I live in HK
Well considering it was a cargo plane and only a handful of people were killed it probably was only a blip in the local news for a day or two before everyone just moved on to other things
So sad to see a picture of the Antonov Mryia now
Best airframe I ever worked on! Sure miss those days.
It is possable that the #4 light was on during the accident. If it was a standard tungsten bulb the element would have been hot and during the impact it would break apart.
Can you do the Lockhart River disaster please?
I know its easy to Say what could someone do in that situation in Hind Sight, So that being said :D ...
About the only thing they could have done that might have given them more of a chance of recovery was to instantly shutdown #4 engine (even if it means pulling its fire handle to instantly stall its turbines) and hopefully it would reduce that roll n yaw enough to do normal 3 engine climb out & return to land.
In addition to military roles and cargo transport, the C-130 also flies into hurricanes for NWS hurricane tracking.
Weird to imagine this crash with an Hawker-Siddeley HS.682 as in an alternative timeline, Heavy-Lift Airlines would operate Hawker-Siddeley HS.682
I'm from Hong Kong and I remember when the Concorde landed there
13:32 damn, that was cold.
Can you make a rail video a about the ladbroke train crash
Knocked this one out of the park!
In my 30s, I was "chronic", & often traveled to HK on business, and often freaked out landing
You need to do a Trident crash
As a non aviator I don't undestand how this crash occured as I've always been told that a 4‐engined plane is perfrctly able to take‐off, fly and land on only three engines, indeed I imagine that when such aircraft are tested surely a 1-engined feathering is part of the process...
Bird strike. No evidence and perhaps implausible, but you gotta blame SOMEBODY!!
Great video, always 👍
The reality on a prop induced accident like this is that whether Beta lights existed of not, one would know that the problem was prop induced by the way the plane yawed and rolled. The trained and instinctive response to this would be to note the engine instruments to identify the engine and immediately call for #4 Engine Condition Lever - FEATHER.
There should also have been a Low Pitch Stop feature that would prevent Beta mode. There are missing details in this video.
One would also hope that the the feather pump was operating and that there was sufficient prop oil for the feather to be accomplished. Without those immediate responses there is NO SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME with a windmilling prop on a C-130/L-100 just after takeoff.
I learned that you never attempt to correct a dropping wing just after take off with ailerons....you use rudder. Ailerons change the effective wing camber and increase the effective angle of attack on the low wing, possibly driving it into stall....he said the effect will feel like control reversal...and in this case there was no high energy flow coming from number 4 over the low wing aileron either. This just might not have been survivable, no matter what.
What an interesting accident. It sounds like there was almost no time for the pilots to evaluate what even happened. Maybe had they gotten more altitude before the failure they could have shut down the engine thus negating the negative effect it was having, but they hardly ever got airborne.
Flew into Kai Tak in 1991... awesome approach...😆😆😆😆
For the next episode can you do Cubana flight 455?
If anyone outside of the military doesn't know how horrifically loud travelling inside a Herc is, you don't know how lucky you are........ the joke is that they put all the engine noise from the outside, inside.
It has a unique dreadful engine and prop pitch which is like someone boring into your head with a drill.
Ah so i was wrong (i thought the crash would be the indonesian L-100 crash)
Well you were half right, it sort of involves Indonesia...
@@DisasterBreakdown kudos for creating this video, with limited resources and less-unknown accident. I remember this accident when I was in high school, and newspaper in Indonesia only covered it for 2 days.. Guess it"s "less sensational" compare to commercial airliners' accidents that might have higher casualties..
@@DisasterBreakdown ah yes true enough and oh btw do you plan on covering some more notable indonesian crashes in the future maybe like the 2009 L-100 crash or the mandala airline crash? Since i really like your cover on the adam air and garuda flight 152 crash
I am keeping a close eye on the Sriwijaya Air Flight 185 Investigation. That is still under investigation and I want to see the report on that one. I'll certainly have another look at Indonesia soon for you :)
@@DisasterBreakdown ah i see well im looking forward to seeing that!
I have almost many hundred hours of loadramp flight hours in hercs. They are the second greatest airframe ever built. The DC3 being the greatest.
The herc actually is the only plane that has come close to the capabilities of the 3.
I'd fly on a herc with 1 engine working. (Been on one that lost 2) cause these ladies get their souls home.
Great video - thank you for covering this tragic accident. I was particularly interested in the Pelita Air connection, since I flew with them on a trip to Indonesia (Balikpapan>>Bontang>>Balikpapan), probably on an ATR-42 and I found them to be a very good and highly professional carrier. This might have been one of the incidents I looked at as part of my 'due diligence' since at the time there was a fair bit of concern regarding Indonesian operators. Brought back some good memories, despite the sad subject matter!
The lightbulb was lit, got very warm, and broke when it touched the water.
I'm sorry but the way the narrator said *_they're dead_* at 13:35 totally threw me off
Great videos...
Watching this video. I wonder how many aircraft Lockheed have their planes involved? That have a clean record besides the L-1011😅
In fact Lockheed had another aircraft with engine vibrations or something wrong pertaining to the engine. Just search up the L-188 Electra.
close, it's Electra
Lockheed has a great safety record. The Herk is flown mainly by the military. Even there the safety record is good. The problem is Indonesia. It is almost as if they try to crash airplanes. I spent 2 weeks there training their military how to overhaul the propeller controls on herks. They are not mechanically proficient. One of our Indonisian agents was almost proud to point out the damage to a hanger that his brother crashed a plane into and died.
@@chris1451 Yep, Indonesia maintenance was horrible. My dad flew on Indonesia air force's C-130 back in the 90s, he said that during the flight he saw one of the engines shut down, the crew told him to shut up and the flight continued.
CORRECTED - EDITED TEXT:
; HEAVY LIFT/PELITA AIR at Kai Tak
; If there is ever a phase of a flight where pilots are amongst the most
; attentive - it would be during the take-off.
; A flight crew not only needs to get the aircraft off the ground and
; also needs to monitor the plane’s performance. A lot goes on during
; this critical time - especially within the plane’s engines.
; It’s rare for things to go wrong - and every pilot is trained for that
; moment when problems arise. Pilots are extremely talented people;
; they know what they are doing.
; So when the flight crew of one aircraft in 1994 started rolling down
; the runway - they never could have imagined that in less than one
; minute - they would be staring death in the face.
7:18 “the captain recalled” - I guess there’s one alive so far
I remember the British Midland 092 crash, it was the worst carnage I had ever seen, just drivin home from work then ya see a plane crashed into 3 pieces it was a sight to behold and I’m surprised anyone survived it
Aaaaaaarrrrggghhh! That bloody piano!!!
So probably Beta range indicator light #4 was burning during the crash, and that makes it more likely that it burnt out when the plane went down in the water. Sad accident. I doubt whether the flight crew could have prevented this.
I use to fly in the C 130
Loud , smelly and bumpy
Mmm yes... STRIKING airport indeed
when I saw the thumbnail and clicked in for this video, I thought this would be the Hercules crash in 1965, which a USMC C-130 crashed shortly after takeoff. Turns out my guess was completely wrong lol.
And here are clips of news from the day of the crash. Since I don't really know about Cantonese and no Chinese subtitles, I can hardly translate anything.
btw, I think the airline owns more than 1 L-100 transport aircraft, as there were some photos with heavylift L-100 carrying different registrations, and from one of the news clip, a heavylift L-100 with unknown registration(the last character was quite hard to distinguish).
first one: czcams.com/video/EqZCuI3knBA/video.html (the plane with unknown registration can be seen at 3:51)
second one: czcams.com/video/IWNgaYF1KDE/video.html (the accident plane, PK-PLV, can be seen in at 5:35, which was probably recorded days or months before the crash)
From what I understand, Heavy Lift had operated additional L-100s in the past but at the time of this accident there was just this one. For example, all dated images I could find of PK-PLR (The accident plane's sister aircraft) were dated before 1994.
The Hercules is indeed an iconic aircraft
Wasn't there a FDR? I would hope the FDR would record if beta mode was active.
13:31
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Gotta say , you look good Chloe..(in the future lol )
Please fix the subtitles. captain /were/ should be was, sink should be sank. etc
4:50 airline sent 12 people. 3 were acting flight crew, "other 6 were sitting in the cabin". WTF?! If my math is correct, we have 3 MIA!
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as a Hong Konger, i can agree that Kai Tak is where most of the plane crashes in HK happened
I agree that most plane crashes in HK happened in hong kong
You mean the only civilian airport in Hong Kong was the place with the most crashes in Hong Kong?
2:45 ... It was destroyed in the Ukraine War?! Man, we can't have nice things can we?
There's a reason Kai Tak was closed.
hi, why can you never visit hong kong?
I was always uppermost attentive on approach and landing, relative of course.
Kai Tak was an absolute malarial dream of an airport.
Total nightmare, watching the approach always is a gut wrencher.
“They’re dead.”
exact one week after this eight hundred people lost their life in ms estonia , actually murdered
My beta mode is always activated.
mate time to do Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 and I will fully support you after that