A Brutally Honest Review of the Ido Portal Method
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2022
- It's time to get real about the Ido Portal method. Brutally honest, zero BS, in true Ido style.
Ido Portal is easily one of the most brilliant teachers of his generation. He for practical intents and purposes, basically created, refined, and led a field, both to becoming widespread among many of the most dedicated practitioners of movement fields worldwide, and to have gone leaps and bounds beyond what other camps have done.
I’ve noticed over the many years that I’ve been studying with Ido, what you could call an ‘Ido Portal effect’. People who’ve even heard of Ido tend to be a cut above those who haven’t, in terms of skill in movement. People who have trained with Ido are still a cut higher, and people who have trained with Ido long term are a cut even above those- and each of these levels tends to be of a significant magnitude.
It’s hard to imagine one man doing a better job than Ido has done leading the field of movement in technical development.
However, his method has it’s flaws as well, and I believe it’s time to talk about them publicly, so that those of us who were operating under it’s paradigms can start to acknowledge, research, troubleshoot (as a community) these mistakes, and then move beyond them.
For one, Ido can be ruthless. Sure, the ‘cruel tutelage of Ido Portal’ is cool and all that, and it’s a strong force to push many forward, but it’s another thing when, for instance, the students at one of Ido’s most successful affiliated facilities have noticed consistently that their teachers are a lot more ‘mean' after coming back from even a short event or workshop with Ido.
Second, his method operates blind to much of modern research, including in sports science, motor learning, and related areas. Ido seems to have settled for the understanding of sports science he gained from Charles Poliquin, and RIP to Charles, but a lot of his ideas, such as on tempo and time under tension, are outdated, while others, like biosignature, were completely unfounded in the first place.
Some of you will say, if it’s not broke don’t fix it- his method works right? But this is antithetical to both my and Ido’s central beliefs. In fact, It’s the one thing I respect about Ido more than any other- he is constantly evolving and growing, as a mover, as a teacher, and as a person. He taught us the ‘craftsman mentality’ that you should never stop working on your craft and just call it finished- instead continually working to refine and evolve your craft and methods. Easy to say, sure, but Ido’s been doing this, and I’ve personally witnessed the magnitude to which it’s happened. The Ido Portal I met at movement camp in 2019 was Ido 2.0 compared to the Ido Portal I met at movement camp in 2016. This is what I’ll miss the most if he blacklists me from all future events for this video as I fully expect him to.
This brings us to what I believe is the most major flaw in the ido portal method: closed-mindedness. While Ido draws from different teachers and disciplines, he himself is the major source of information in the movement culture, which is indoctrinated that other teachers (who aren't teaching his method) are BS and other methods are garbage. Ido’s movement culture has become simply a vessel for his teachings passed down at his events and workshops, and while Ido is a brilliant guy, one man (even with a few helpers) cannot adequately fuel the development of a complex field.
For those that will ask why I did this video, or “what’s the point?” it’s primarily for this reason. If we want to grow movement, the field that Ido essentially created, both in width (get good information out to the general public) and in depth (develop movement and it’s study further), we need to start collaborating and working together to share our findings and research. I think it’s time, not for a movement culture, but a movement community.
I honestly believe that movement and it’s study are vital to the health and development of humanity, and it’s time that we dedicated practitioners and teachers stop holding one man responsible for its development, even if it’s the one who popularized it.
Hey Guys! Thanks so much for all the engagement, discussion, and kind messages I've received from so many of you after this video (I was really expecting some hate mail for this one). It's wonderful to see the community start to organize and evolve in the direction I've been envisioning for so many years. Updates: so far, 2 things have been birthed from the release of this video.
1) A discord channel for the growing movement community! Open to more options/ideas as we grow ( discord.gg/AWSsZJejQv )
2) In response to one of the comments below (thanks Chris!), as well as the concerns about price I raised in the video, I created the most affordable, accessible, scaleable movement training option I can think of: access to a QUALITY movement online video library. Right here on YT- prices between 10-50$/ month. If you're interested, click here ( czcams.com/channels/VNYwsrLNUjFUzcDarDdYWw.htmljoin ) or just the 'join' button on my channel homepage to learn more.
It is new and still a work in progress, but with your support I've just been able to hire more help to start cranking out more content for you guys there (and here), and the offerings + organization + system will grow and be refined greatly over time.
Cheers everyone! Looking forward to the future with you all :)
So to sum it all up. Ido is good at his art. Ido has little faith in anyone other than himself. Ido is a %$@&#.
Just as an FYI - the hyperlinks doesn't work properly. The links think the ')' at the end is part of the url, when it shouldn't be. :)
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Thank you for the video. I come from the world of traditional martial arts where idolatry, close-mindedness and cult-like mentality are a commonplace so none of this is really news to me. Ido Portal has been a great inspiration to me in terms of movement and philosophy. He is definitely unique in many ways and I guess he's entitled to charge whatever he wants (just as you said in the video). But then I think of my late kung-fu teacher who would wake up at five and drove hundred kilometers to the capital, several times per week, just so that he could teach us in person. And there were people in our school who couldn't afford the tuition and he would teach them anyway. The school was like a family. Our sifu was not internationally famous but he was a great teacher and I'll always remember him.
If this Ido guy is so revolutionairy he would teach for free those who want to learn . Then charge those who want to go deeper into what he teaches . Why should the Poor not be Healthy as well Ido ????????
@@DeadShred9 he has the freedom to do whatever he wants. I would LOVE to do his course but I'm not willing to pay the 5-600$/month and the 4-6 hours/day. That's my problem, not his.
Pretty much word per word: you describe my Ballet teacher.
The soul reason I have left martial arts and turned to dancing was her and the family she created.
True: movements and philosophies are timeless to a point. But knowledge itself does not grant wisdom. And either two does not grant happiness.
From what I can understand from my limited knowledge of the matters: Your teacher has taught you much more important things than basically fighting, surviving.. Or simply even using your body in the best way possible.
Take away the body from the student... His arms his legs.. Put him in a chair or a bed... What do you have left that you have given them to thrive upon... the student still follow; Still live willingly?
I think one can use the same analogy differently to the teachers: "Take away the financial gain... And what is it you are left with... Does the person still teach willingly?"
Our school/studio was not the most known... But worth everything.
On a side note: do please allow me to especially state that I liked this guy: and his view on things.
I hope he gets disconnected from what it is that holds him back. Shall this be his having to pay a price of loosing his chance with if even the best body training teacher time/humanity has ever known: It is a very low price even still.
At least in how I see things.
curious your thoughts on Ren Zhongxin czcams.com/play/PLF4Lx7LpR80nb82ablFRxo3xz7rgc8f6q.html
@@DeadShred9 it sounds as if he contempt anyone who don't make big bucks as stupid, lazy or both.
Man, I just love your approach to things. Straight foward, honest, no bs. Credit and criticism when they're due. I wish more people were like this in all fields of knowledge.
Wow, THIS is a contribution to the culture! I've been so turned off by fitness guru's over the years. Your analysis and passion here is such a breath of fresh air! Thank you!
This explains so much of what I’ve been wondering about Ido! Very enlightening. I support your push for a more collaborative, accessible movement culture! Thanks for putting yourself out there like this, it’s a bold act
hey man, I've a lot of respect for you sharing that perspective! Very straight forward, simple, honest and without being held back by potential backlash - thank you Bren!
This is hands down the best review i've seen of any person / product/ service or thing. So balanced, fair and non-hostile. All in good faith. I have learnt a lot regarding the topic at hand and from your overall ability to communicate so well. Thank you and all the best with your mission.
Thank you Bren. I think it's a good thing you have opened up about this topic and shared your opinion. I agree with you and your vision of a movement community, and I'm very glad to see that some teachers in the field are starting to shift towards a more welcoming and open minded structure. It would be great to see you lead some kind of events or a training facility in the future, and I'd love to take part and train/study with you.
Your monologue gripped me from start to finish, well researched, well stated, and a lot of excellent insights. Thank you! And yes, it is true, community is what stokes the flames and keeps them burning.
Thank you for your courage and the information you provide. I've never taken a course, but many of Ido's ideas and the paradigms of movement culture have already had an impact on my perspective and approach to life. I've always wished there were more physical locations and classes available. Having lived in China for almost 4 years now through lockdowns and all else, listening to my body and when it needs movement has been a tremendous help. Keep teaching!
Your videos are incredibly helpful and thoughtful. Your breadth AND depth of knowledge is extremely valuable. Thank you for sharing with us. I particularly appreciate you shining a light on recent relevant research as a branching off point for further exploration.
I’m in awe of your bravery to make this video haha. It was really cool to see you take such a bold stance in the movement community. Even though I don’t really know much about Ido, I think that he’s a pretty amazing guy for what he’s done, but I like what you said about being open to ideas and teaching movement to more people! 🔥👍
Bren, this was so helpful ! And so much nuance and consideration to being accurate forthcoming. Thank you
I feel your frustration Bren and I appreciate the courage it took to speak up. I attended Ido's workshop back in 2013-2015. Your review of the program is spot on, fair and well rounded.
Thank you for this amazing video and the dedication! I am 53 and i wont probably meet the basic exercises required by Ido ever. But I know i can become a good mover. Well and the prices... So I am excited what you have to offer. Kind regards from Germany, Bren
This is an incredibly important video for the future of not only movement but the health, wellbeing and longevity of the general public. You're doing great things brother
This is absolutely incredible. I am so incredibly grateful to have stumbled across your work. As someone who has studied movement science for the better part of 15 years, gained a university degree & put over 10,000 hours into my sport I've been well aware of the shortcomings of the mainstream movement methods. I knew that movement was the way forward. Modern society needs this as part of it's lexicon to truly reach a state of optimal being. Yet I never quite knew how to piece it all together. I'm so incredibly grateful for your distillation of wisdom in all of your videos. I also completley agree with your vision (I am an example of the kind of person that wanted to train with Ido, yet could never truly access it). I will be following you very closely & helping spread this message. With love from Sydney Australia ❤
Great breakdown and well put! I would love to see the movement culture become more mainstream and accessible.
Looking forward to your other videos and possibly becoming a student of your method.
Mate, am I just delighted I've found your take and channel.. Ka pai from New Zealand.
Great video! Can't wait to check out your intro series
I have sooooo much respect for you for creating this video. Movement is a powerful tool that can change lives.
We never met in person but hope to meet you in person and move together. Much love from Japan.
Well-researched and supported arguments! I can see that it comes from a place of love for Movement and a goal to make broader change. Good luck! I hope you achieve your goals!
Great vid! We're all here to start learning from you man
Daww. Thanks Michael! :)
Damn thank you so so much for this video, it really really speaks to me. My movement journey is both enlightening and frustrating due to the many pitfalls of MoveCult. Like you, I have felt something transformational in movement that I really hope to share with more people, and Movement Community is something that really needs to be grown and developed. Ironically, Ido claims to want a 'culture' which is in many sense larger than a 'community', yet he despises the 'general public' or simply people outside of his own closed circle. I love the message of your video and hope good things will develop in the future!
Bren, this is incredible. Way to have the courage to make it. This is why, we the "movement whores" who continue to train and learn from other teachers and take it back to our students get to continue loving movement. As much as I love Ido's work, everything you laid out is why I give massive caveats to anyone wanting to explore the work.
I tore a tendon in my wrist training with Ido's team for 6 hours a day. The concept of being a movement generalist and avoiding specialist injuries is complete bullshit when you look at the training they encourage. Don't ask any questions though, just do the work and build capacity... 🧐.
This is far and away the most honest review of Ido out there.
I hope you are recovering well.
I am furious and sad on your behalf because Ido seems to believe there is a method for truth. But truth is a pathless land and life is process, change and movement - no one can own it. While we do need principles they only serve as guidelines, rules to enable freedom, not specify an idealized sequence. If a rule causes harm it loses it's purpose. The limits are our minds and bodies and those need to be respected and everyone are at different stages in various ways, much progress is relative to the individual. Adaptability and flow, be like water my fiend.
All the best.
@@zoidfreakvoidwalker1687 well said! And thank you. Unfortunately, my injury is not something that can currently be healed, and the surgical outcome is unacceptable to me. My only hope is to do stem cell treatment at this point until better surgical options come available.
My experience, and those of others i know who've trained online with Ido's team paint a story of dogma and authoritarian delivery of principles without enough regard for the student and where they're at. While I can take responsibility for pushing myself too far, Ido espouses an approach where in person coaching is the only way forward. That breaks down in online coaching with mentorship students who don't have the time or care to understand their students. There is a great deal to be desired from the experience. The novelty and rigorous demand placed on students seems to be the biggest draw because the method is not the best way to achieve results--over training is a fundamental principle in his approach, he wreaks it on his students and seems to have seriously damaged his own body in applying it to himself as well. I certainly agree with you that his path to truth is not THE path to truth.
You are a godsend, Bren. You really hit the nail on the head!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Good luck with your mission
Wow, I guess this came up in my feed because someone told me about ido and I checked it out briefly.. exploring movement a lot lately this was a great video to come across I’ll be following you much more thanks! 🙏
You are great! Thank you for the enlightenment, motivation and inspiration.♥
Great video, it sounds like you perfectly align with my (much more limited) experience of the method.
I trained at one of those official Ido gyms for 3-4 years. The positive: I learned movements that I still find useful and I now have a much more holistic approach to training than I ever did before. I think it’s complimented and improved my performance playing sports (which hilariously enough feels like a faux pas in the community). I think it’s been overall very positive to have been exposed to the practice, and I try to show the most helpful exercises to someone who would never have access.
You hit the nail on the head with the type of person who can fully embrace “the practice”… someone wealthy who has an extraordinary amount of time to dedicate to training. If I were to create the archetypal Ido student.... it would be someone on the shorter side, naturally flexible, and has a trust fund. It was remarkable how many of the cliquey “in-group” of students fit into that definition.
Coming to this from the Huberman podcast, I have the same issue that you have… the anti-intellectualism drove me completely insane. There was always the talk about “going deeper into the practice” with no real definition of what that meant. “Can you bounce a ball on your head 100 times? You better train for months to do it! Why? We don’t really know, but post it on Instagram!” There was zero integration or reference to modern scientific studies. I don’t expect them to be master’s level physiologists, but if you came to them with any specific questions or specific injuries you could always tell they knew about as much as a 20 year old personal trainer. For any problem or injury, movement was just the blanket answer. I spent 9+ months training to rehab an injury they assured me they could fix with movement… and it was only until I actually saw a doctor and needed surgery that it was fixed and I could actually progress.
Ido likes to quote Bruce Lee “Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own” and I feel like I’ve done that with his method. I’ve benefitted greatly from the ideas but I do not fit into the archetypal mover who can do splits, backflips, and one-arm handstands. It took years for me to stop hating myself for not getting those skills quicker and embracing the types of movements I actually enjoy. And I’ve now learned more from CZcams channels like The Bodyweight Warrior and FitnessFAQs who actually offer clear information without the cult leader baggage.
What was your injury? And what kind of movements did you try to do with them to make it heal? Just curious about
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Good insights and points that confirm alot of what it has looked on the outside atleast, thanks for sharing 💗
Thanks for your sincerity, Bren! And for the effort of sharing your knowledge here. That's very precious. I agree that it's a shame the lack of reach movement culture has in the public. It could be a lot bigger if it was less elitist...
And your job goes in that way. Keep it up! 🍀🍀
A Very thoughtful and thorough analysis , I learn so much about the subject, it’s flaws and it’s potentials, you sparked an interest within me, to learn more of movement and the
movement community… thank you…
What a great flip on the use of words. Movement Community!!! Thanks for the very informative and courageous video. Appreciate you ❤️💛💚
A very intelligent review! I have been searching for the best way to stay in shape all my life (I´m now 49) and of course you notice Ido Portal if you are looking for inspiration. His "culture" is mind-expanding and his students are great. However, here is what bothers me personally: My goal is to be in good shape and healthy in order to be a happier, more relaxed being. Not move as much and in as many ways as possible just for the sake of moving 😜 Ido has incredible skills, but he does not seem relaxed or happy and - as you kind of described - is more of a very skilled, but obsessed and mercyless king. So, in my view he fails in using his own system because it should make him a greater person when he is not training. About Ido, a great "anti-guru"-quote may be true: "Believe those who are seeking the truth, doubt those who found it". David Belle for example changed the "moving culture" in a more modest way and without ever wanting to be king. Still, maybe Ido is a genius. And for all geniuses, in long term it is more about what they achieved than how they were. It does not really matter if Bach, Picasso, Steve Jobs, Bruce Lee or John Lennon were idiots, they changed the world. Will you say this about Ido Portal one day? Who knows.
At the expense of becoming a bren fanboy, I love your channel. I've never been to an ido event. But through his interviews and online content, he's sparked an interest and perspective that I have absolutely loved and benefitted from. Only for ido, I'd never have found you. I'll never shit on ido. He's changed my perspective. And for that I'm forever grateful. Let's move!
Great video Bren, keep up the good work!
Thanks for putting yourself on the line and making this video.
This is the first time I ever saw one of your videos. I had no idea you even exist. But everything you say is really resonating on the same wavelength with what I can see myself. I think that it has to be a shift of focus from being super special to being available and present in as many peoples life as possible. Otherwise you are just the leader of a secretive sect. It is very brave that you are coming out and speak in that way. And do not be afraid. For every people that will look bad or critical at what you say there are hundreds and hundreds others that are glad that finally someone is starting to talk.
Hi Bren,
Great video!
I think you are 100 percent right with what you say, it s a pitty it is so hard to access Ido s content and that there are nearly no movement-gyms...
I would love to train in a place like that, but there is none in my region...
Keep up your good and honest work!
Thanks
Michi
He is absolutely right. I know from experience. Thank you for a great video breakdown.
Great video's Bren. Keep up the awesome work! Always interesting to hear different sounds from people who have been there.
Great review Bren. A wise person will be quick to listen and reflect. I have been following, since the beginning, but am one of those who "cannot afford it". The first time I inquired about the workshops was the last. It all came down to practice, failure, improvisation, and practice again. Budokon and Movnat are two others that I have followed for years...and just as Ido...are not very accessible financially. The establishment of a movement community is necessary, 10-4. Peace.
Around 2015 I drove seven hours to LA to do an ‘Ido Portal experience’ workshop.
But he wasn’t there. I had been talking to the owner of the CrossFit gym who sponsored the event many times because dropping over $700 was a lot for me. He literally said, “how much money would you spend to train with Bruce Lee for the weekend?” He didn’t ask me how much money I would spend to train with Bruce Lee’s assistants. I also convinced a friend to come with me so I was mortified that Ido wasn’t there. I left when I found out he wasn’t there and demanded a refund. I went out into my car and emailed his team immediately and they said no refund. I started posting on the Facebook event page for the New York workshop that was happening the following weekend to tell people that Ido wouldn’t be there. People were responding that they were shocked. And then Ido‘s team started deleting all of our messages in real time because they were hiding something. I think he is a shady businessman to say the least. This was dishonest to a huge degree. And I lost all respect for him in that moment. I still think he’s brilliant but I know him & his team as COMPLETELY dishonest. They do not want transparency. People private messaged me from that New York group thanking me for making it clear that he wouldn’t be there - many tried to cancel because they didn’t want to go if he wasn’t there either. Just left an incredibly bad taste in my mouth. Terrible business. Very sad.
It says Ido Portal is not guaranteed to show up at these events when you purchase the ticket.
I was one of the many good hearted and well intentioned folks at the NY one that also didn't know he wouldn't be there. I only came from a nearby US based stated (only a drive in) and I was still really upset. I stayed, but I shouldn't have. It was absolutely not worth more than maybe $200 for all the "novelty" shared. I am totally okay with anybody making fun of me saying "oh, so you would be okay having paid $500 more just if Ido was there?" and the answer is YES. Ido was hugely influential to me. Shit, I would actually say a heartfelt THANK YOU to Ido if I ever actually met him because he was a very good influence. But... he also made me think through disappointment (don't you fucking dare turn that into a positive, cultists! lol) and made me learn to analyze my "idols" so to speak... but yeah man, way too expensive and they ended up separating people into abilities to you literally could NOT learn the higher level skills (how to build up to them or advance them) if you didn't already "own" a previous skill. I could observe, since we were all in the same room, but not quite learn. Also, they made it a fucking workout (I guess I'm okay with this... an experience if you will) but I didn't feel as though the learning was there. I'm sure they'd argue I would learn best through doing repeatedly, but when you're there for a weekend, and they don't let you fucking record or nothing besides takea few notes, it was hard to walk away with "real shit"...
@@inactiveair4680 hahah but it fucking DIDN'T when he signed up - that was a measure taken after people like the one you responded sounded the horn.
Haha wow.
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maybe you could read my post again. I talked to the owner of the gym who was sponsoring it (no doubt getting a cut) and he told me Ido was going to be there. We had many lengthy discussions. There was no doubt in his mind or my mind that Ido would be there. Ido is synonymous with shady/dishonest business, 100% on many levels.
Wow!
Thank you for talking about this!
It's so true that the majority of testimonials out there can be easily divided into these two groups.
Let's grow this movement community!💪
Thanks for this video Bren! I love your attitude towards this- Just discovered Ido through his vertical shake video and had a good time with it, but had a dark feeling that he was profiteering off other established, underfunded cultures. Open collaboration and research is so important for progress and is really what separates plain business from exploitation. Like the society he hails from Ido joins a long line of shady appropriators, happy to have discovered your channel and will be following you from here on
This was so well said and done. Major props.
Thanks for the video.
This actually made me view Ido more positively. It's hard to articulate, but too few educators focus on delivering content in a proven way and listen inordinately (perhaps even obsessively research) the latest "science" as it evolves in real time.
Some things are best kept simple.
And yet I agree with you that optimizing movement is somewhere in-between.
Thanks again for the video. Cheers.
This man is one of the rarest teachers who actually cares about his students. Courses and teachings are pocket friendly, Understandable in a practical and scientific sense, Creates such elaborate but still easy to understand videos. I totally support your cause.
Thank you for speaking so honestly. That takes a lot of courage.
Such great video, the idea of collective knowledge on planet scale is absolutely brilliant
GREAT insight! Thank you so much for sharing.
Great video! I came across Ido years ago on some youtube videos and interviews from podcasts etc., long before he met Conor Mc Gregor, and i had known that he had a wide range of martial arts that he had studied also. But, like you mentioned, if you want to learn from him it's too prohibitive for most people and it's a shame. Also by spreading in a manor that makes sense, not only would he still become wealthy, like your analogy of John Danaher, the amount of Jiu Jistsu schools available and competitions is what led to this surge in new techniques along with the refinement of existing techniques.
I agree with your mission. Movement needs a community and it needs to aim to help as many people as possible. Not just those that can afford it and not just those fit enough to embark on hardcore training.
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Thoughtful, provocative and presents as honest, genuine and concerned for the right reasons (ie. the advancement of knowledge and improvement of health and fitness for all).
Well Done Bren....
Five Stars all the way!
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Thnx for speaking out! Totally agree with all of that!
I've only heard about Ido the first time today. Always wanted for such an idea to exist so checked his website and youtube channel. And it was clear that something is wrong, that it is a stagnation. Almost no activity online, no regular posts, no sharing with true beginners. Now your video explains it all. You're right, this idea should be in a free flow, it should attract people to combine their knowledge, experiment, create and try out new things, and not to be converted into a cult.
Normally don’t write comments, but I really appreciate your channel. 👏
Thankyou !!!! These words confirm my thoughts .. i only saw him for 3 days and practise movement for 5 years .. ido is an authistic narcicist.. he cant live in his own system .. but his mentor students gripped me and gave me air !!
This should be getting more attention than it is. Good video
Wow, I sure wish more people could back up their opinions the way you have, both with science and grace. Well done 👍
Great accountability and a show of courage to stand your own ground. This is what a teacher does.
I definitely put off watching this video because of the inspiration I've gained from Ido's ideas. However, Your perspective was a refreshing surprise. I really appreciate your thoughtful ideas on how the movement culture needs to change directions to continue to move forward. I think Ido would agree that a movement culture can't and shouldn't be centralized around one person and taking steps to make these ideas more accessible and have research being done from people of different backgrounds seems really important. Thank you for this video, it's spurred a lot of ideas in me and I'm excited that you are broadening this community.
Thank you Bren! This is my favorite youtube channel about movement
Thanks Jakob! I hope to soon upgrade to your favorite CZcams channel period :).
Agreed
Thanks for the awesome video. This is very insightful. Well done.
Excellent video. I'm just now starting to slim down enough to access some of these movements and always found Ido's stuff inaccessible. I didn't even know what he did had a name, and it was called Movement Culture.
Thats a really great review, love the honesty
This is great, thanks Bren. I have been wanting to join the movement culture for a while but it does feel fairly esoteric and distant. I'm hoping I can undo 30 years of sitting at a desk on a computer and focus more on flexibility and movement. The idea of jumping straight into deadlifts and snatches does not appeal to me (and I did Crossfit for years). I just want to move more fluidly. Let's start a movement movement!
I've been following Ido since around 2012 I think
I've always wanted to structurally train in movement, like I can for example with martial arts
but I could never find a comfortable way/place to do it, and I happen to be from Israel myself..
what I ended up doing in the first years, when I was in high-school, is absorbing EVERYTHING I could from his videos and interviews
later, I started practicing under some of his former students..
I am of course no professional, but this practice, however shakily-structured it is, eventually - brought a TON of value to my life, and for that - I have to and will always be grateful to Ido.
What you've said is so important. Every point-agreed. I come from a movement based branch of psychoanalysis & trauma healing. What you are describing in Ido is common, unfortunately. I've seen it many times over in psychology. I do agree with your common good viewpoint. Be well 💓
Bren, absolutely well-said. I got into movement culture 6 years ago, and show people ido's video and tell them that"s how i want to move. I've been looking for a movement teacher or some sort of gym where i can go and practice these things under supervision.
I'm really interested in how tempo training is outdated. Do you have any sources I can look up?
Loved the video brother!
Great honesty, passion, sincerity and content. I applaud your mission. I've seen first hand, the "wu-wuh guru" effect charismatic leaders can have on rank and file people who adore and worship influencers. I used to marvel at the REVERENCE people used to direct to (in person) Choudry Bikram when was cornering the hot yoga market in 2001 - 2011. Similar elements; a man or person with something solid and beneficial to offer to people,. Because "it" is real and resonates with many, he, or she becomes revered. When that happens, most often it becomes a checkbook to write almost limitle$$ influence and power over those worshipers. And that kind of power (power of the pulpit) corrupts absolutely.
Probably the best critique I've seen of Ido's system yet. I would love to learn under Ido's system, but just not from Ido. The guy is clearly one of the best all rounders out there but he seems to be an egotistical elitist cult leader, and for me personally I could not spend large amounts of time with some like that under any voluntary circumstance. It such a shame that he has made his own amazing discoveries so inaccessible
Great video bro! Very brave. I couldn't agree more with your points there. The irony of his approach is that it has prohibited the growth of this culture to any significant degree. Discussions like this will go a long way towards opening the culture up and bringing new people into it.
Brutally honest is what I'm about. Appreciate your honesty and your cojones.
Thank you for this honest assessment. Like many who first come to Ido, I was fascinated and already Have more body awareness than anytime in my life. On the other hand , I have an instinctive mistrust for cult s of personality. As much as I've gained, some things kept bugging me. I think you nailed some if it. I still hope to separate and appreciate the beauties of his teachings.
I've never heard of this "movement" before, but I am intrigued!!
Wow. This was an excellent dissemination and constructive critique. This is a clear example of people who are most passionate in their fields have the most vocal criticism BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT and want better for the movement (of movement) and not their own ideas.
You remind me of sensei, I miss him so much. Thanks for the video
Thanks a lot for your review!
You are awesome! I applaud your integrity.
This video perfectly sums up why I didn't continue my movement training in the way Ido does it. It's just not accessible. And it should actually be the other way around as you only need your body for it. I've since learned a lot about kettlebells, maces and clubs and found functional strength training to be a great accessory to martial arts. I do miss the freedom I had within my movement practice though. I just don't know a good place to start. GMB is nice for absolute beginners though
Bren, thx for your honesty it’s refreshing. Have you ever heard of ginastica natural ? I’ve had a similar experience as you.
you are awesome! very great example of John Danher comparing to Ido. The most imporatant facotor of improving technique is frequence, which requrire the support of commounity.
Great review, and stay open, thanku
That was an amazing critical thinking review.
And although I understand (just by listening to his interviews) that indeed Ido must have a big ego, I really think that your final statement that he is 10 times the leader Glassman is, is very accurate.
I don’t know shit about the movement culture or anything… but this was an unbelievably well articulated, thought out and respectful criticism, personal account and observation. I don’t know you brother but you’ve got a new subscriber. Oss.
You making great videos , can you do a video explaining what this method or movement can help bjj … from training to preparing to a competition.
Thank you
Thanks for honesty!!
Great video, thanks for this content
I did one of idos training camps and I loved it. But like you said I’m to poor and don’t have the time to experience more then what I did. But as a martial artist it never really mattered. I’ve always had a mind set like Bruce lee. Take what works. Discard what doesn’t. I’ll never conform to one persons system. I’ll learn what works for me then break it down into its different parts.
The things you mentioned remind me of the BJJ / martial arts world and how I was taught. It’s time for a change.
I think you brought up some very valid points, and argued them in an understandable way from multiple perspectives including Ido's. This was a very fair review. You should not get blacklisted for this, and if you do they just proved how cultist they are.
I fell more on the reverence side of the “two camp “ spectrum for sure. This video is incredibly revealing though… I always felt something was amiss in the whole “movement culture” phenomenon . Definitely subscribing to your channel , my friend thank you for sharing.
This was a fair and very well thought out review.
Very much thank you for the video. I was always a fan of Ido, but never understood the unwillingness to talk and teach publicly.
Ido trained gymnastics in-person under Christopher Sommer for several years. He just repackaged it into some philosophical BS and applied the exceptional athleticism that all gymnasts have to other fields.
Sommer is great, but I have serious critiques of his methodology as well, and movement is far, far more than just repurposed gymnastics.
@@BrenVez Yes, there is more to movement than gymnastics. But at least based on the videos he puts out, much of the amazing feats people learn under him are common gymnastics moves.
Why? The reason is already mentioned in one of your previous videos: If you take athletes from all different sports, the gymnast would be able to do everything you do almost as well as you can, but you wouldn't be able to do what they do at all. So obviously if you want to be a jack of all trades, you will focus heavily on the discipline that will most enable you to do that.
I look forward to more of your content. Thanks!
This video should hopefully be getting more popular as Huberman just released the interview with him.
I would also say even less ppl would know about Ido if it weren't for Conor MacGregor