Wotlk PvP Class Picking Guide Wrath of the Lich King Classic Arena
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0:00 Video Explanation
0:20 Warrior
2:38 Affliction Warlock
4:17 Destruction Warlock
5:35 Elemental Shaman
7:27 Enhancement Shaman
8:42 Resto Shaman
10:00 Rogue
11:39 Disc Priest
13:48 Shadow Priest
15:08 Ret Paladin
16:30 Holy Paladin
18:37 Preg Paladin
20:06 Frost Mage
21:33 Fire Mage
22:42 Hunter
24:39 Resto Druid
26:13 Boomkin
27:39 Feral Druid
28:51 Death Knight
Wotlk PvP Class Picking Guide Wrath of the Lich King Classic Arena
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Excellent video! I can see the effort put in, definitely keeps you engaged all the way through. Well done.
This was such a contrast to the WotLK stream with Crix where you got to analyze and go full energy. Watching this more restrained guide right after that was like listening to my mate excited at the pub and then hear him hold a meeting at work the next morning :D
Great content, thanks for sharing your experience and insight.
insanely well put together video, thanks
Awesome man, ty! Will share w my friends
thank you!!! much love for your videos, my guy.
been waiting for the next vid! quality content as always man keep it up. cant wait for wotlk
Good stuff man, you break it down in a way I like to think about things; the fundamentals - what does the spec do well, is that fun for me? What does the spec do poorly, is that reasonable or totally frustrating for me?
Great Video delivered as always! You could do a video or a table about Diminishing returns categories/classes. Can't find one, only thing i can find is a lot of misleading informations around. just wanted to throw it there even if I'm pretty confident it will be in ur Discord like the TBC one! thanks again keep it up!
sick video bro. Laid it all out perfectly thank you
Just found you from the podcast, chill dude and great content. Subbed.
Another fantastic video , also your Patreon page is amazing! I thank you !!!!
Very informative!
The video has arrived! Nice 👍
I loved WOTLK so much. By end of the expansion, I had played almost every class, which was a big deal back then, though now not so much. I think the expansion ended with me mainly playing my warrior with a side of s/priest in arena. My rogue was fairly geared but not as well as the previous two and my ele shaman was was full pvp honor set, which honestly wasn’t great but found him to be so much damn fun in eots.
Great video man hope to que into u some more in wrath
Useful, thank you
Nice video! I do agree in many of the things you say!
great insightfull video
Just gonna play the ones I always play!
Elemental, Balance, and Shadow. Something about caster hybrids just gets me. :)
Love your videos, man.
I just found this page around a month ago and I've already learned so much!
Quick question, is there any chance you could make a video on item/gear priority for wrath for each class? Like, which stats to prio, which weapons/trinkets to use, etc.
Thanks again for the awesome videos. Keep 'em coming!
Would be way too much work and I’m not really nit picky for stats sorry.
@@Earpugs understandable. I appreciate the response! Keep up the good work!
Hell yeah, ty for the upload earpugs take my sub and like.
Great vid thanks
great vid man
Finally the content i've been waiting for... the real contant of wrath LETS GOOO HYPPPEEE
I really enjoy your videos for pvp motivation and fun in Wrath Classic
Thank you! I'm glad to hear that.
very good video !
Man your guide is better than SkillCapped one, great job! Like this "you like" "you don't like" comparisons. Thanks!
Shadow Priest it is! I love rot classes, but also love being a support to my team...
Great guide
great one
been fiendin for this one
Great vid Earpugs! What are your thoughts on spriest with a hpal in 2v2? Ty and keep up the awesome content.
It’s ok the problem it will run into is that a holy pally can’t really peel the priest when they are in trouble. Also since your only major cc is fear and MANY classes can remove or block fear in one way or another you will have a lot of difficult matchups. Rdruid spriest is likely better but spriest healer in general is tough.
Nice video bro, btw can i ask about addon, what make your button bright light?
DUDE!! How do you even do this?!?! It´s just incredible!! Your hacks and trick ACTUALLY work!!
I mained warrior back in the day, thinking hunter for pvp and pve this time around. Wondering if I'm making a good choice
great guid!!! you should think about doing a skill ceiling tier list I wish people did those more
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@@danbill9165 Yeah GUIDE...Im sure people read it DOUGHNUTS without your correction. Thank you savior
Can't wait to play affy boomie and watch people panic under pressure and just fall over. Great guide!
love the vids my dude!
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I love your videos. Ive already subbed to you on twitch. The depth you go into from everything ive seen you in is phenomenal. Can you do a world PvP tier list?
I don't like world PvP enough to. Srry my man
One more point about Warriors in arena. One with close to BIS and other with just good gear might as well be another class, dont understimate how gear dependent warriors are
Gonna be hard getting that 1600 rating to get pvp pieces on realese. So many young tryhards and streamers loool
@@Dualities on 2s they can get counter hard by Spriest+Fmage, maybe will be easy to gear those classes just feeding on war+hpala
@@LeticiaAlves-jw1mv I was going to play warrior since that was my final main in the last 6-months of WOTLK back in the day. I loved it very much though it was mostly PVE by that point because the queue for bg’s was damn long. With that said, I am kinda stuck between S/priest (had one of those a 2200 rating) or Druid because I did get my Druid to 80 but never actually played it and always liked the idea of a challenging build in battlegrounds.
hey nice video, what professions would you recommend for disc priest?
My discord FAQ
"you like sticking to a target, beating it to death" you had me sold on that one xD Enhancement Shaman it is.
Or warrior or dk or feral lool. Getting kited and cced will be issues tho
Great video ! Still stuck between shadow priest and warlock. Will I have an equally hard time getting trained on both? Getting down a window on the destro burst and connecting just seems to epic to pass on
Destro can make room for itself and shadow struggles to do that. If you like having options then lock for sure.
@@Earpugs super helpful thank you! Hope the Channel blows up with wotlk release quality content 🔥
@@GR1MMDJ As a spriest from TBC and WOTLK, if you want any sort of mobility or ability to escape melee by yourself, you need Lock over spriest. Spriest has nothing. Lock in WOTLK has an actual teleport, along with destro still having the AOE stun and the succubus pet.
@@dieuwtjin thank you for the response . I keep hearing that about shadow priest but my buddy might roll a frost mage and I’ve heard they pair better together than lock / mage so that’s where my confusion is
@@GR1MMDJ If you can rely on your friend consistently to keep melee off of you, then that is a different story. Spriest has good utility, decent sustained damage and good burst. Along with a frost mage it should be one of the best 2 vs 2 comps.
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So the real question is whats the easiest class to play here? Like easy to catch up the mechanics am not rly high rated player the max I did was 1,9k in 2s on warmane so I am looking for a class that is easy to play so I can have more focus on other things?
Hey Earpugs.
Thanks for the video. I m trying to build an early s5 v5 team to get the most point out of it.
We are planning to play Beastcleave but in 5 mans.
I was considering including a dpriest as a second healer (mostly for mass dispells, fear, offensive/defensive dispells and little burst under lust). Or maybe just going 4 dps and having him play as shadow ?
As a third dps, I’m a bit lost. I think feral would be bonkers, especially with berzerk and lust). But maybe combat rogue/frost dk/boomkin will be better in early s5 ? Or maybe just another BM hunter.
Raw damage teams are very strong in S5. You could do disc priest hpala enhance BM and DK. That would do an unhealable amount of damage. But you could do a bunch of classes that would all work.
@@Earpugs especially with gargoyle abusing bloodlust. Didn’t think about it ! Smart
@@Earpugs thanks
I would love to main a rdru but I can’t imagine playing a healer and NOT being able to dispel magic effects.
hey mate why do firemages dragonbreath into poly? poly heals them back up? great vid😊
Situationally they would, example you get all 3 people in a DB and your killing a DPS you would poly a healer out of DB then kill the DPS.
so what is your dream team? Give me about three team make ups, as I have no problem getting max level when I'm determined.
You can still use deterrence whilst disarmed if you run two one handers, worth pointing out.
No way? Testing this now on PTR.
@@CDank
did it work?
@@leucidius he is correct however theres different types of disarms and if you only lose 1 weapon you can still deter. You need 2 1 handers for that. However a rogues dismantle removes all weapons so regardless you can’t deter that. Deter also doesn’t block all damage for example overpower goes through it since overpower cannot be parried and deterrence only parries melees.
That’s why you need 2 sets of weapons. You would switch versus Spriets/ warriors
Hey mate, you got some very good videos :) I was wodering for resto shammy in wotlk classic, if its better to go for crit and go Lesser healing wave build or go for mp5 and go for healing wave build. (PvP)
Hopefully you got an answer for this because cant really find any, people say different :P
Thank you, I don’t play rsham tbh so I’m not much help there unfortunately.
@@Earpugs alright thanks anyway :)
@@Earpugs btw do you know if you can buy pvp items on lets say level 74 and have them in ur bags or do you have to be 80?
Will shaman get worse as the gear gets better?
Spriest also has a mini Mortal strike in Mind blast
And a stun to disarm
@@sickwicked6640 so do mages, this guy didn’t cover anything
sadly DKs dont have it :(
IMMENSE PRESSURE
The biggest of dam
thanks for the upload bro, I am going to be playing fresh servers and ditching my horde toons on whitemane for fresh alliance pvp server. I think ill still main druid but for an alt which class would u say needs the least keybinds and is more about reaction time? shaman looks fun as ele but i really wanna play lock but i am sorta intimidated by trying to control the pet well. im great at mobas but something like hunter is just too many binds for me, basicly i am asking is for which class has the least binds lol, and is more reliant on reaction positioning etc besides druid which i am able to play at about 1900 rating already?
All classes need a lot of binds to be effective. I’m not sure what needs the least tbh.
@@Earpugs thanks man! I'll just have to find some new binds with my mouse bottons plus alt, been having trouble with ctrl since i broke my pinky. Really appreciate the reply, you have incredible content
I've been wondering the same thing. I hate needing a shit ton of keybinds to play a class properly. I want to play rogue but I am very apprehensive about needing arena123+focus macros for all my cc. Lock/Hunter are pretty bad too. Micromanaging pet seems jank and painful to do. I'm thinking this is just the harsh reality of playing wow arena at a high level though.
Edit: At this moment I believe warrior is probably the best bet for least keybinds, since you can automate most of your stance dancing with macros, and you don't have as much external utility as other classes. But I still need to do more research on this topic.
Isn't Shadow priest a top contender for least amount of binds? It was in classic, and the amount of abilities has not increased much since.
Not if you want to play well, you need 123 psychic horror, 123 silence, dispel 1, 2 friendly friendly pets and yourself plus dispel enemy 123 target team 1,2 and pets plus your normal 123 target binds
What was the addon which had the proc indications on the warrior? I love those.
Event alert for 3.3.5, for wotlk beta it may be the same name but I’m not sure
5:31 and 19:57 have really clean UI
Nice video mate, thoughts on unholy + resto sham? Is it worth it or should I make my brother reroll to holy paladin? What would be a good third class for 3s, aff lock?
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You should play what you think us the most fun. Also that comp is actually decent in season 5.
I'm stuck on either ret, dk or ele shaman. Dk looking like the easiest to pick up. Ret being bursty but vulnerable to caster cleaves, and ele with managing totems and having to cast while getting trained by melee.
To me theres nothing more satisfying then Affliction lock boomie setup when the whole team melts it feels different
@@Klaidas21 well lock will be my main or alt. I decided on dk to play tsg with a warrior friend
Hi. Trying to decide between Warlock and Hunter for PVP. Can you please tell me which of the two have an easier time dealing with melee?
Hunter by a landslide
Great content, but would've loved to see a few examples of classes/specs that each would like to play with in 2s and 3s. I know you have the tier list videos for each bracket, but there were classes and specs that weren't touched on too heavily and are still viable without being top-tier. Thanks for putting out this video.
check out his other vids. he has 2 and 3s tier lists with some depth as to what the comps are trying to do.
@@montanapoint0457 Friend, my reply *literally* says “I know you have the tier list videos…”
@@borabygames omg my bad XD
What spec/info do you want to know
@@Earpugs would elemental shaman and affliction lock be viable in 2vs2?
I think you missed the BS that is Sacred Cleansing on Hpally. It says 30% increased resist chance but really it should say MISS chance on spell casts for 10s and can't be dispelled. Unfortunately for the Hpally Finding GCD's for cleanses can be difficult without hitting certain Haste Caps... made thankfully easier from talents of 1.25s GCD... this lets you cast 4 GCD's inside of 5s as apposed to 3 and wasting .5s each time.
If you wonder why Preg Pallies don't get Crusader Strike even though its RIGHT THERE and instead dick around in the Prot tree... they have GCD issues if they take it.
It's also cause Crusader Strike is pretty shit with a caster weapon and not a 2H, and you rather get 3/3 1H spec who up all your dmg than a spell dealing no dmg and like you said giving GCD issues
There will be so much Ele pvp im thinking abou making a warlock to play wih
Great video! So between DK and Warrior - sounds like both do insane damage, but DK has more defensive cooldowns whereas Warrior has more gap closers/mobility. Which of the two is more forgiving in your opinion? Also it sounds like Warriors are much more spammy because of all the stances...is that correct?
Also, is one more pve gear focused? I know both probably benefit from PVE gear, but warrior feels more reliant on it instead of a full pvp setup.
Thanks!
DK is the more forgiving one I guess. You have more defensives and a lot of the burst comes from casters.
DK is more forgiving because you have more self heals and defensives probably. War is more PvE gear dependent.
@@Earpugs Great, thanks! By nature of DK's being forgiving - does this mean they are a low skill floor, high skill cap class?
@@bens9450 no it means they have cooldowns like antimagic shields and self healing combined with lichborne deathcoiling yourself, ontop of icebound fort etc, effective oh shit buttons after a mistake or two.
As a WOTLK private server player. I will only listen to earpugs due to his deep knowledge and understanding followed by amazing explanation of the game and strategy's for arena. another great video as always , cant wait for the next!
well some most private server stuff is off. Like for example the druids moonfire tics not gettting overwritten by weaker versions, which is not the case in private servers, allowing for moonfire spam and making balance druids better then then absolute trash and resto druids god tier in TBC arenas
i was there
I like your addon showing buff timer @0:55, what's it's name?
Event alert for 3.3.5
What would you say are top comps with frost mage? Could destro work?
Destro frost mage resto sham is one of the scariest comps in the game.
Eh I want to be Ret or DK But I don't want to feel slow af so idk
24:51 - who's this resto druid? Does he stream or have a youtube channel?
Yeah twitch.tv/earpugs he’s pretty bad but there’s the link
Trying to decide what melee dps to play with my friend who mains disc priest. Idk if I can play a feral or rogue. So my main options are arms warrior, ret pally, and uhdk. Which pairs the best for arena and general pvp?
Rogue priest has always been amazing
Could enhance feral be good in 2s for wrath? What about ele feral or spriest feral?
They could all work if played correctly
yeey
u forgot to mention the ghoul stun that u can use when ur off cd for grip or ams OR u can use ghoul stun before gargoyle to into silence for even more garg pressure. works especially well vs paladins priests and shamans
He didn’t forget you just didn’t listen.
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Glad s.priest back in wotlk here. We're not bursty really. Yes, we can have some burst, but it's short lived. What we really bring to the table is versatility--constant damage in the form of dots, but we can also, heal, dispel, mass dispel, cc, and provide superior buffs. We're one of the best support classes in the game. Anyways, good vid. See you all on the battlefield. I'm fresh server bound!
Wotlk dk main here , I know shadow cleave is good dk affl heals but how good would dk shadow priest heals be ? I’m super curious ! Thanks !
Burst as a concept is short lived. If it had a high uptime it would be consistent damage.
@@EricTheSwede was gonna say that. That's what burst means
Dots can crit now and from 1 defensive cooldown we have 4 now. Also shirld dispel etc alsk holy priest blessed ressilence talent is the most underrated talent in the game. 10 s immunity to crits
If spriest don't burst nobody does
Dr list update please!
Can i play rogue with ret pala for arena ? What do u think ? Are they good comp
yes it's called scooby doo cleave
Ele shaman ftw
where do you get the B-roll footage from for these videos ?
I record every clip myself, sometimes playing multiple characters at once
@@Earpugs 0:10 i mean that stuff right there
@@Classiccolin I go on a flying mount and toggle UI off
You forgot prot paladin,with resto shaman they can reach more then 2k rate,burst spec with low resiliance but still strong defence and dmg
After season five prot paladins are a joke
@@Earpugs well thats just wrong. source? any pservers ever.
@@alexpoulin6807 please link me a season 8 rank 1 prot paladin from a private server
@@Earpugs Prot is definitely not a S tier spec for arenas (it's more like B+). However Prot outclass Ret and Preg in BG's/ WPvP. HoTR + HoTR Glyph + SoJ in big battles, you are constantly keeping 1-2 people stunned per spell cast.
From all of the melee classes, only Ret can be a challenge to a Prot pala.
PvP is not just arenas.
@@Earpugs Season 6 Prot are equal or stronger than season 5. In season 7 and 8 even if it's falling off, you can still push high rating as rsham/prot (not rank 1 material, but glad material)
Prot pally and r sham is a surprisingly viable comp
Only in S5 once the prot paladin can’t one shot the comp falls apart.
Why do people not like resto Druid in wotlk. It seems like they are the most under represented healer. Making the switch from disc, but is it worth it. Gonna be playing with a lock or dk most likely.
Resto druid is the hardest healer in the game to play since you need to be hyper vigilant at all times. It can't deal with certain cleaves making it rely on team members to peel. When played correctly resto druids are terrifying to play against however it is certainly the hardest healer to play.
So which is the strongest class :D
Holy priest and blood DK obv
Classes feel soooo unique and different enough in wrath it has all ways made me want to play every class back then and I’m getting the same feeling now. It’s exciting.
This is my evidence Wrath is the best expansion.
Juke a kick to just get strangulated on your next cast anyways and dying before you even get one cast off is so relatable 🤦
Don’t forget the death grip next cast then u gotta juke kick again
Washyercrack is definitely from northern ireland
Keepyerfeetontheground
no demo lock?
Ya wtf
Is gearing similar for ele and resto ? I want to play both specs in pvp
It’s way easier than TBC, you just trade usually spirit or haste for crit or vice versa but the gear can function well in both specs
if you find the time, can you do these for BGs?
I never find chill people to do arenas with, so i tend to live in bgs.
I won’t sorry I don’t like bgs enough.
You won't need a team this expansion. They said there will be individual rating so you're not stuck in a team where everyone left because you weren't on when they wanted to play.
Elemental shamans are a S tire pvp God during wrath.
Don't play enhancement it's extremely gear dependant.
Prot warriors will only be really good at ICC tier of content, since their set bonus is bonkers and they can get high ArP by then. Still mostly a supporting class that CCs, bursts, and helps their team mates survive. Good for 3v3 in combs with others who can do mortal strike debuff, like MM hunter, arms warrior, etc.
I would even say ToC
Tfw you are trying to play prot paladin in pvp 🙃
Ppl who dont know it will be excited for Preg lol but you failed to mention how garbage it is with early gear and how much better off people will be trying it towards the end of the expansion. You really dont wanna be stealing tank shields or spell blades in early raids too obv.
Well priests are not strong class at 2 first season of wotlk.. they were cheese 🧀 against all class
Damnit.....this didn't help one bit....now I want to play them all, and I also hate them all :( hehe
where did u get information that 90% of rogues will go sub? back in the wotlk every rogue in arena was going mutilate
People also didn’t use target macros until rank one back then. Having no shadowstep and being a glass cannon is obviously bad.
@@Earpugs
understandable have a nice day
Purge doesn’t work on as many spells in LK
Purge works on every HoT from a healer as well as sacred shield, power word shield, hand of sac etc. a laundry list of critical buffs that need to be purged if you want to kill.