Why an FRFR might NOT be for you.. Headrush 112 review / demo
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- I ran a poll on YT to see if there was any interest in FRFR speakers, and it seems at least half didn't know what they were! Since I make so much content around amp modeling, I felt it was only fitting to make a video on an FRFR, so I picked up a Headrush 112 to demo for you guys!
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Intro | 0:00
What is an FRFR | 0:44
Demo | 2:13
Different IR's | 5:19
Cleans | 7:12
Real world use | 9:44
Final Thoughts! | 10:40
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Do any of you use FRFR speakers? What do you think I should review next?
I currently have a question I don’t have an answer to yet:
Currently own an Axe Fx 2 XL+. I also recently purchased a custom 2X12 guitar cabinet but with Celestion F12-X200 speakers (they’re FRFR)
Running that with a orange pedal baby. sounds great. My question is , since this cabinet I have is *passive* and needs a power amp, could you theoretically use something like a Fryette power stage with vacuum tubes to have a nice coloration to it? Or would it color the sound too much?
As always, appreciate the content 🤘🏼
I'm playing a Stomp direct into two EV ZLX 12 powered speakers and a EV sub. Which is also my live PA for my one man show.
Maybe you can get a hold of a cab or a couple Celestion F12-X200s to load into a cab for testing. These are passive speakers made for amp modelers.
Literally have that exact speaker! It’s awesome! Great for any digital rig aswell!
This video came out just in time. I’m looking for a flat response speaker. I’d love to see a comparison between a FRFR & a PA speaker. I’m leaning towards buying a PA for monitoring my modelers
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this and giving your honest feedback and opinion! 😎🎸
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I do indeed use FRFR, specifically the same one you reviewed here.
Sounds great and is cheap as chips, just need to get it off the floor like on a Schertler S3 or a pole stand.
This came at a perfect time. I was just considering getting the headrush 112 for my bass with the Pod Go. Thanks for providing good content!
I use the smaller 108 as a monitor when using a multi-pedal. The output jack makes it simple to relay the pedal directly to the soundboard as well.
Glad I could help!
The 112 is definitely where it’s at for bass
How did it handle your bass buddy? I know the message was from 1yr ago but maybe just maybe you'll see this message
@@tjmccreedy3437 I decided to buy a bass amp instead... BUT I hear that they are overall pretty decent quality for flat response. Best of luck on your gear adventure!
Thank you for the review. you helped me decide. and I love your video layout recording. so fun and funny! Love it!
Great Video! My Kemper is coming through the 112 Headrush and it Sounds awesome!
Super informative and entertaining, thanks for this video man!
Everything I wanted to know about these FRFR's Thanks a bunch!
Awesome review and demo on this - great information .
I still maintain that it's good for certain uses -- can work as a jack of all trades when it comes to a rough but decent enough source of high output for IR/cab simulation -- but fair critique of its limitations.
me. paired with my good ol hd500. Never been gigged yet but looking forward to it.
I still got better tones out if my hd500 then some of my axe fx3 tones. That thing was magical.
i run two of these together with my yamaha hs50m studio monitors in my practice space. The monitors add a clarity the headrush lack but the headeush adds the punch 5" monitors lack. I recommend running 2 of these in stereo hanging from the ceiling angled down at least 6ft directly left
ight from your listening pos with the near field monitors in front separated 2-3ft toed in. This setup creates an absolutely killer sound stage for an Axefx3. No way can a review of a single speaker convey how truly awesome these sound in a stereo rig. If your looking for more of an amp in the room Id look at the offerings from mission, atomic,ect. They are almost 3x the cost tho.
Just got one today. Love it truly sounds great with my helix and good IRs
Got one of these for using at practice and live with my Kemper Power. I go monitor out to the Headrush and cab out to a cheap 4x12. It helped out with adding more mid and highs. With just the 4x12 It was difficult to hear my leads. For the price it was well worth it and it's ridiculously loud.
Yeah, I actually really enjoyed using this at practice, but I was using my 4x12 also. It's just kind of cool to be able to have the guitar sound bounced back to your face like you would on stage!
Love the rehearsal clip!
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Amazing review bro!!
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I had the 108 paired with an AXE FX 2 and I loved it!! in a bedroom BUT! It was was super thumpy and bass-heavy even at low volumes which I did not like. I am going to buy it back! Now it will be paired with an FM3
sick Jackson man. You've got some killer riffs.
🤘thanks!🤘
This was a really good review and demo thank you. The uses that you describe are exactly what I had thought of. this is the sort of thing that it's hard to just play and say well decide for yourself it really takes feedback and experience from the person actually using it to explain the pros and cons. It would be interesting if you were able to get another FRFR and compare it to this one and just see what your thoughts are.
If the opportunity arises, I'm not opposed to reviewing another one! I dont think I would use one though, I prefer my 4x12 by a lot
I have a headrush floor board, with 2 frfr 1x12. this is my sound live! and it kills!!
Unfortunately man, those weren't meant to be mic'd up. You are getting every freq at once with the headrush. It is basically a stage monitor. Really it's only meant for personal monitoring. My bass player and I both use the headrush 112 and love them. I did have to do some special eq in the helix global eq in order to get the helix to sound the same in my studio monitors as it does in the headrush though. It can be snotty sounding at times. You can hit the mid dip switch on the headrush to fix that though.
Of course they weren't, but how else am I supposed to demo it in a video? 😂 I found the mid dip switch to make the intense low end worse when I used it 🤷♂️
I feel ya. I had to mic the room when I demo'd mine. I deleted the video though. I may go a head and do another one soon though. I got around the mid and low end issue by using my global eq, and the lo/hi cuts in helix.
@@TaylorDanley pull your microphones back a few feet they can't be mic'd like a cabinet. These speakers (and most PA speakers) are best recorded from a slight distance. 2 - 3 feet depending on your microphone. This guy nails it czcams.com/video/BLOxs2beinM/video.html&ab_channel=PeteThorn
Gday mate, just discovered your channel. Just entered the Headrush world and you've saved me hours of rabbithole bullshit. I really like your video style dude, subed and look forward to watching your back catalogue.
Cheers from the down unde🤘
Man, you did a really good job capturing the headrush! Yeah I’ve actually considered picking up 4 of these to fully dress a stage with monitors. The video is still playing now so you may answer this but do you think they could hang with a full stage night after night? Could they deliver what everyone might need?
Yeah, they're plenty loud. They actually sound better (less bassy) at higher volumes too IMO
I have a Headrush 108 with an HX Stomp with Ownhammer IRs. It sounds killer!!!
I'm thinking about getting the Fractal FM3 and maybe going Seymour Duncan Powerstage + Guitar Cab route.
sounds pretty similar and decent compared to the none analogue direct sound, maybe a little more pleasing actually, seems to "sum" the frequencies together in a nice way.
I run two of these off my AxeFXII. Perfect for rehearsals, and light and portable enough to transport, and place anywhere someone might want to hear my crappy playing!
I use a 108 and 112 with a Kemper(Was Axe Fx) and with the axe the best tones I ever got was running a sine wave and finding the speakers res freq and set my cab block res to where that fell. You will know when you find it haha.
It works to jam along with a drummer and another 412, just have to find the right angle and get it off the floor. Is it a cab in the room kind of thing, no, but its close enough for only guitar nerds to care haha.
I have the Headrush 108 with Kokko OD3 Overdrive, Klirrton Grindstein as preamp and NUX Solid Studio as IR Loader/Poweramp, at half volume my walls shake!
Do you feel like the headrush speaker is as good as using a power amp with a guitar cab?
Interesting you say that about cranking the master volume on the Headrush and controlling using your modellers output, as Line 6 advise the opposite for optimal signal to noise ratio. Maybe when playing louder Line 6 advice is probably more applicable?
Great explanation, so this is mostly used as a monitor speaker on top of an amp?
I was wondering if I could use it like an amp for keyboard busking.
Is it loud enough to use in a band rehearsal situation?...yes, as a matter of fact I use a single 1x8 version with a Helix and it is more then loud enough. Playing hard rock and classic metal, with another guitar player and drummer right next to me. At a recent gig, I used two 1x8s out of a Kemper, both upright in pairs like a real cab with the Kemper on top. Again more then loud enough and sounded great with a SLO profile w/Mesa IR. Does it sound as good as my real 2x12 V30 cabinet? Well the power amp being used will add color to your mix, so that depends on what you are using. These speakers certainly cut through the mix and sound great to me. These Headrush FRFRs are an excellent choice for Helix or Kemper. Home use, rehearsals or gigs.
About 128dB and more then 130dB peaks. So yea... fucking loud. Just make sure you're tossing an line level input.
I use the TS-312, which is actually the same as the Headrush but with an mic preamp if you raise the volume above the line level. I use with the Hotone Ampero and Mikko IRs generally (some stock cabs sounds great though). I like a lot! It's very light to travel, fucking loud and versatile. If you're live on a bigger place you can just snapshot your tone from your modeler on the PA speakers.
BUT it sounds like an PA speaker itself. It's not an good FRFR solution if you're looking for that. That's a substancial difference in punch and directionality between these and an Celestion F12-X200 for example. I, personally like the PA solution because it shows more fidelity for what about the public are hearing. I like consistency.
The power amp on the Headrush is an Class D 1000w (with 2000w peaks). Essentially zero coloration.
I'm using (with Mooer GE 250) Headrush 112 over one year now on gigs, band practice and at home and I'm very happy with it 😁
i plan on using the same setup although with a GE 200. Is is setup loud enough for a small pub/club venue?
@@brianmedina8917 yes! I never used it on max volume. It's really loud 🤘
I was going to get the Headrush 108 FRFR however I ended up getting the line 6 power cab 112 as a Christmas gift and absolutely love it! That said I’m still planning on eventually getting the headrush 108 FRFR so that I can experiment with a stereo rig but not have to spend line 6 power cab kinda money the difference between 299$ and 850$ Canadian is the difference between trying it or not
have u even tried a headrush? the headrush will sound better with axe fx
@@naegleriafowleri2230 I haven’t had the opportunity to try the Headrush FRFR yet I live in rural eastern Canada and the nearest store that sells Headrush products is about 2 hours away from me and it’s not something that they have in stock at all times no different than aside from sound demos online I have absolutely no experience or access to Fractal products like I said in my comment I was really looking at getting the HR108 for size/weight considerations and cost but my father gave me the surprise of the century that Christmas when he got me a Line 6 Powercab 112 and I really like it however I wouldn’t have bought it for myself but that is 100% cost related….regardless I am still interested in the HR108 as a backup/beater FRFR for house party jams and a cost effective way to experiment with a full stereo rig all the while being smaller and lighter than most other options available im just wondering how it sounds is it reliable and can it put out enough volume to hear over drums in a “East Coast Kitchen Party” kinda situation where we’re playing music in someone’s house as if it was a stadium sized gig in front of thousands of people and there’s no PA systems or anything like that available to go direct or anything I mean the singer uses a Marshall 112 combo acoustic guitar amplifier for his vocals it’s not a very advanced situation
I wonder what it would sound like if you turned off the cab simulation? Would it be any better?
Would be awesome if you would do this with bass as well!
Is the sound similar to playing through studio monitor speakers?
I like playing my Helix through FRFR speakers (currently db Technologies Opera 12) but just recently I stumbled about the Harley Benton harley g212a-fr active cabine. It is said to be much more like a conventional guitar cabinet although it is a FRFR cab. Did you had the chance to check out this particular cab, Taylor?
Would like to hear it with distorted bass. So I can run a dg pedal into it and then run my amp clean. Mix the two volumes
Been using this Headrush 112 for over 3 years now with NUX MG30 and for 3 years my playing is so satisfying as ever.
Currently I use a headrush peddleboard, with amps and ir’s into the fx loop of a jvm410c. I have the 108 frfr coming today.
My intention is for an frfr to replace the Marshall. We’ll see though.
How it is?
Its a wedge monitor so yes it sounds like a monitor. I have it and its great for referencing. Lots of details come through.
Hey Taylor Is the contour EQ button in the HeadRush activated or not...?
I'm using 2-1X8 headrushes along with 2-Mackie Thump 15s with a dual 15 band eq for room adjustment...!
How does playing through this compare to playing through studio monitors? Does it feel different?
Any overheating issues? Testing out two 108s from a friemd and this is the only flaw I've noticed. 45 minutes of playing and they're already moderately hot..
so what do you think of using it for rehearsal and with the XLR out for live situation? I already own a Headrush Gigboard and an investment in a AMP is way higher and heavier for carrying around
the most comprehensive video so far
How does it sound at really low volumes though? Thinking about switching to one from small monitors. I just can’t get comfortable on them. Was thinking a 12” speaker will feel somewhat similar to the combo I practiced through for years.
It's solid state, so the tone doesn't really change dependent on the volume. However, in my experience with SS amps, it's best to turn them up to 80-90% and use the master on your effects processer to control the overall volume.
BTW, they are pretty bass heavy
Sounds amazing, a lot more powerful than studio monitors you’ll actually get some of the bass and treble from your sound that you’ll feel on stage
If you're using a Helix, or AXE FX, don't you want FRFR so it accurately represents the amps it's going to mimic? Unless you turn off amp / cab simulation on the Helix, and just use the Helix for your effects. I like the idea of an FRFR speaker with a Helix setup, so I can tap my foot and go from sounding like U2 to In Flames. I don't think you can do that with a real guitar cab and amp head can you? I think you have to use an A & B switch, since they don't do midi? I dunno, I just started electric guitar recently. I played acoustic for 30 years without electronics.
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It would be interesting if you did an AB test, of the best FRFR for guitar according to many forums:
* the Yamaha DXR10 and Friedman ASC-10
Looking into the quad cortex. I have a JCM 900 Combo, 1960tv cab (greenback), JCM 900 cab (gt75), mode four cab (v30). Was considering two Headrush 12's.... hoping to run stereo. I'm a tube guy. So modelers and frfr are new to me. I do not gig, just a home user who loves saturation. Should I come out of a quad cortex ---> JCM 900 ---> 1960tv. How much color would running it that way that add vs Quad Cortex ---> Headrush.
I’m gunna use it with my bass and my Helix Floor. Is it loud enough for an actual band scenario?
Yes!
These are truly awesome speakers. There are lots of folks complaining about boominess from these. In addition to EQ on my Quad Cortex, I added bass traps behind and directly across from these speakers and that made night and day difference from me. Great buy !!
Good vid! I recently got my HX Stomp which i absolutely love, so last week i decide to get one of these Headrush 112. At first i really hated it because of all the sound issues everyone mentioned, but after tweaking and eq-ing the hell out of it and using some good IRs , i'm starting to get some semi decent tones . Sure it takes a lot of work, specially coming from years of playing through amps
Yeah, it definitely requires some extra finesse, but I found that I actually like having a monitor during practice. I had no intention of keeping this, but I might now!
This video is very helpful!
I'm looking to get a Fractal FM3 or a Helix LT, in the future. I didn't know what to run them through, I'm just a at home player and I don't have any plans on playing with a band. SO this is a great option for a great price.
Thank you for the helpful video, man!
Glad I could help!
I tried so many configurations to play my hx stomp at home, the headphones were my reference to start. Computer speakers with a subwoofer, bluetooth speaker, poweramp with a speaker cab, 4 cable method into an amp. Was contemplating this speaker for a while and was driving down the street and found a frfr speaker in the trash...i swear to god it sounds amazing for a modeler and you can jam with it or just chill out and practice at low volume but without compromising the tone like a tube amp...for 200 bucks grab the smaller one you cant go wrong...
What axe fx patches you runnin man ? Sounds tight.
how do I play something like Line 6 Helix without an FRFR, if I can't use studio monitors due to lack of acoustic treatment? Why don't these devices connect to simple pc speakers, that would make it a whole lot easier...
I'm working on a W/D rig with the Kemper. Kemper Kabinet would get the Dry sound, my main sound and thinking about Headrush 112 for the Wet. Any problems here?
It sounds badass.
I am thinking about getting a Headrush Core and am wondering if I can use this with an accoustic guitar and vocals through the core for gigs. Will it sound OK?
Would that be a good speaker to use for rehearsal with a full band ? I have pod go, play a lot of lead 80s metal... it seems to be mixed review
So I would say yes, however it’s not a substitution for a cab IMO. It’s more like a personal monitor, and sounds similar to having a cabinet mic’d up and running through a monitor at a venue. It’s plenty loud to keep up with a full band, but best suited on the floor aimed at one person
@@TaylorDanley Thanks for the answer!! My problem is that I don't have a cab nor an amp, kinda bummed out to have to spend 1000$ for rehearsal when at home i use headphones..
actually its great, just kind of like studio monitors i guess,that marshall cab sounds great but its a bit scratchy, btw can u share some of the irs from. mikko which u made, that would be great, and the clean tone sounds great 🤤😍
The greenback sounded best to me!! 👌🏽❤️
I use ax effects with a headrush gig and a few pedals and I run in to a computer and use the headrush as a interface as well , was wondering if two of these guys would sound good considering there will be beats , samples and voices going threw them as well is the only reason I have not purchased two of these yet , how do you think they would do with all these types of things running threw them drums , keyboard and voices when doing my guitar tracking
Hi Taylor, another great video. I have the headrush mx5 (metal and 7 strings) and I like it with headphones. I have also a nux dm7x drum. So I would like, for playing at home only, if I jam with someone, what is the best speakers config for both?
I want mx5 feel closed to a 2x12 or 4x12 cab.
Here a list of choice but you can suggest others stuffs ;-)
P.S.: also playing backing tracks with iPhone
- headrush frfr-108
- headrush frfr-112
- line6 powercab
- Laney LFR-112
- Laney AH150
- JBL EON208P
Great review, thanks for the quality video. Is anyone using a Headrush FRFR 108 or 112 with an interface+iPad+Overloud TH-U? (or BiasFX, or similar iOS software)
Taylor! I finally got one of these last. I bought the 8 inch one. Only because that was available wanted the 12 inch.
Anyways. Would it damage the unit if I used a instrument or speaker cable? I don't have a XLR or a trs cable. If instrument or speaker cable will work, which one do I use? I'd guess the speaker cable.
You don’t need a speaker cable, you can just plug an instrument cable in from your modeler or whatever you are using. I’m pretty sure that’s how I had it hooked up in this video
@@TaylorDanley k cool I was just scared of ruining it.
I have that same X2. It's like 15 years old now isn't it? Line 6 bought them out.
It's pretty old! I think I bought it in 2008.
Funny, you are micing up a speaker that has the sound of a micd cab. Lol. FRFRS are not meant to be mic’d and they are not supposed to sound like a real amp in the room. They are only supposed to sound like a micd cab that you would hear in a recording or coming through PA or monitors. Headrush FRFR are best on stands at head level
That’s true, but how else would you suggest I try and capture the sound for the video 🤔
@@TaylorDanley I wouldn’t recommend anything more than what you’ve done. I just thought it was funny.
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@@TaylorDanley Theres no output that you could connect to your audio interface?
@@TaylorDanleyIf you play it, we will just hear it
First? Lol thanks for this. I was super on the fence about these and this helped a lot determine if I was gonna get one
🙌 no problem. Glad I could help.
Hello 😀 what do You think about frfr 112 for NTS Fortin through Apollo Twin Duo?
Can Headrush Frfr be used with Headrush MX5 only please tell me who knows
no can be used with similar products like pod go helix blah blah blah
The direct axe fx sound comes from Kali lp6?
It's the signal directly from the axfex... it's the sound that is being fed into the headrush
Seems like a cool piece of gear for a gigging guitarist with digital modelling as a main tone and who wants to go the easy way on his back ))
Wonder how this thing compares to the stuff made by Atomic tho.
For home use a pair of studio monitors at roughly the same price, I bet, would be more usable and give one more options and scenarios of use
Any chance of doing a demo of the Laney LFR active 4x12 cab?
Wait, isn't that Iittala Taika mug?
Hi Taylor thank you this great video !!! I am a singer guitarist. Do you think this could be a used during live monitoring both my voice (lead inger) and guitar (used sometimes....) ?
Well I am looking for a set of studio monitors and maybe a pair of these could be the answer I am looking for.... I could produce using them and replace my solid state amps?
I have mine HR112 for 2 years now. What I do not like about it, is the caned sound when is not directly point at me. Any one experience the same?
Few guitar youtubers show themselves playing with an actual band, and this is great!
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Probably not going to cut it? I own two FRFR112's and used them for gigs regularly. Not as cool looking as standing in front of my Marshall DSL100H full stack but easier on the back and definitely a great sound and plenty of headroom. Hook both straight into my Headrush pedalboard and gig on dude!
I got 2pcs frfr108 and its not loud enough for metal band. I know that i am having it on max input as it was clipping LED already and the headrush volume is already maxed out.to.the highest. Not loud it maybe is comparable to a 100-120watts solidstate combo guutar amps like the boss katanas.
doh..... I wasn't going to buy one.. but just did. i have a small set up and sometimes when people really want to dance they always ask me does it get louder. i'm usually at full volume see how we go with this.
I'm looking to get an frfr for my iPad.
I’ve heard that a powered pa speaker is a better option, because it sounds like what the audience will hear
That's essentially what this is.. Just minus the mic preamp. Just hard to capture how it truly sounds
Nice Bro.
that jam space has the best flags!
I don't suppose you considered review the speaker without a tonne of grease in front of it. Would have been more useful just to hear it as, guitar, amp & speaker. Clean first on each pickup and then increasing levels of gain.
I feel like Headrush has a bit of a spotty reputation when it comes to their products. I've tried a gigboard at a guitar center and wasn't really all that crazy about it, and frfr is definitely not the sort of equipment I could see myself using. If anything, I'd probably just snag one of those harley benton 1x12 cabs and call it a day
I wish it was closed back though l. I have one and its open back. (Semi?) Not the whole back but a third of it.
I like my Harley Benton 2x12, I think it's a really good cheap option, you just need a power amp also.
I couldn't gel with any FRFR's. I run my Helix into a Seymour Powerstage into my Mesa 412. For those wanting something with cab sims, good powered studio monitors sounds great for home.
Do you have a review on that guitar? Os thar Kex?
It is! You know, I swear I had one at one point... but I cant find it. Maybe YT deleted it, I have no idea... but I'll definitely have to do another one because its awesome
@@TaylorDanley Yes it is! You upgraded the white Jackson pickups. Is that Floyd still the FR Special?
Looking forward for your (new) review! With Pod Go!
u should have got 2 of the 10's for the Fx3 or fm3. I found the 12" headrush are too flubby and boomy when i took my FM3 to GS to try them out. 2x 10" headrush speakers are prefect for my Fx3 and fm3 and will blow you ears out in a rehearsal. They arn't as good as the Atomics but they're cheap as dirt.
Any chance you will try the Tech 21 Power Engine Deuce Deluxe? :)
You got some equiment there, man!
So I gotta say first you’re hearing what would be coming from the pa hence what exactly what it’s for Where you go direct or you mic your normal cab you’re hearing what’s coming through the cab. These are for people who run direct and want to have it sound good through the pa. Frfr speakers and cabs is basically going through the pa sound Instead of playing through your cab and having your cab mic’ed The first distortion kinda sounded like shit both way you put it through and it wasn’t the equipment because the next distortion sounded great so it’s how you set it. The good thing about free cabs is you know exactly what you sound like but you HAVE to set the low cut and high cut so you sit in the mix properly. It makes everything cd quality so you can be great you just gotta set it up way better and you will
I know this is a guitar review, but I am a keyboardist and love this as my amp playing small venues.
Haha, I got the same Bathory shirt 🤘🏻
Jeff lives around the corner from a CZcamsr!
I'm not sure that I believe 2k watts but it is loud.
Nux MG 30 please
When they're available in North America I will