Don't believe what you hear about FRFR Speakers
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- FRFR is a rather new term that they throw at us guitar players to convince us that the new cab they specifically made for your modeler is something special. Usually they are nothing more than a guitar cab shaped PA monitor and often times a good floor wedge is the better option. Let's look at some exceptionally good wedges...
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0:00 Don’t believe the Bullshit
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Love your channel. Best no BS reviews on gear. Been a fan since the early Mooer delays video.
I can’t say how much this review helped. Probably saved me at least a $1K! Thank you so much 😊
Great timing. I had the same experience with the PC212 and have been looking at trying the coaxial floor monitors.
Nice one Henning, yet another top review. I'm using a Helix LT with a Yamaha DXR12 MkI and must say its opened my eyes to how good technology has become. It has however taken a little adaptation to get used to a powered speaker and amp/cab/mic modelling and the phenomena known as the Fletcher Munson Curve.I'm used to using tube amps and guitar cabs for most of my gigging career and, Ive found there are a fair few differences to how things are projected/dispersed and different eq'ing. I'm lucky that I work in a school music dept and have the facility to turn up the DXR12 with the Helix in a classroom after school to eq the unit for F.M.C effect. I think they're 95% there sound wise and for the convenience and portability they're brilliant.
Nice comprehensive review of different options.
Tried the Alto and Headrush 108 in the past but settled on the Powercab Plus 112. To be fair it’s horses for courses but I like the modelled speakers in the powercab and the tilt legs so it can be used as a wedge type monitor, plus it has options for FRFR, using as a modelled speaker, or as a monitor ( has a hidden setting for that which removes the EQ that makes it sound like a cab) . I think it’s fair to,say it is not plug and play though, needs some time setting up and matching to your modeller ( in my case Strymon Iridium and sometimes an old POD XT) . Spot on comment that it’s easily scuffed and no corner protection so wouldn’t really stand up to road life. Main use for me is running amps through load boxes.
I too love the Powercab+. Sold my SV20 because the Helix LT and Powercab+ can get very close. Well close enough for me.
As a pro live engineer I sometimes even asked a guitar player if they had ears on the back of their calves…angle that small amp, put it on a case or a stand AND in front of you or a bit on the side. And indeed if you have one of those digital sim things, the floor monitor or in ears will do great!
put a camera on the binaural mic where ‘eyes’ should be … that would make a cool ‘in the room experience’ video
Thank you so much for this video. You have no idea how much sleep I have lost trying to decide what speaker to purchase for my Helix. Ironically, this is after already having purchase one used JBL eon 610. It sounds great but I went down a rabbit hole thinking maybe it could sound better, could it, maybe. But your video clearly shows all speakers can work and each one has their own pros/cons. I can go to sleep in peace finally. Just another example of chasing GAS more than actually sitting down and practicing to get better! You are doing god's work here.
I don't why but I find some solace in the fact that I'm the only one who stresses about what to buy, it doesn't help me any but at least I'm not alone.
Thanks to you of because of you (will judge when I receive my order 😅), I pulled my trigger on the NX 10 SMA to monitor my Kemper Stage.Thanks for your input here and the quality of your vid.
Whenever I need a detailed run down on "how things work" this is the go-to channel.
Amp demos need to be done this way. Mic'd up amp demos are so useless to me. Nice format here!
Absolutely right.
Doesn’t matter if they are mic’d or not by the time it goes through the ADC-DAC conversion of whatever device you are accessing this content on it’s no longer authentic anyway.
@@aural_supremacyout of everything, mic, mic position, speakers you’re listening on, your room, subjective impressions, you really decided to focus on the ADC/DAC conversion as where the authenticity is lost? Damn son
oh, I also forgot, the guitar/pedals they’re playing through, their playing style, the preamps of their recording gear, the amp on your side, youtube compression. Heck, I even notice the difference between some of my cables a lot more than I do between DACs.
really, ADC/DAC conversion isn’t even top 10 factors that would make that less legitimate.
I don't think you can trust audio demos on CZcams, or any other audio/video streaming service unless just doing an a/b.
Thank you for the review!! I love my Kemper which is the powered version going into a Dr Jekyll GuitarWorks 2x12 ported cab with Eminence EM12n speakers! So awesome but, I needed to hear myself more so I removed the back casters on the cab so the cab is at a angle!!! NOW I can really hear myself. It would be nice to have one of these facing me like a monitor. Thank you man again!
Great video again! I have a small Headrush FRFR to go with my Helix and it has a ground lift option, which I think every FRFR should have. I noticed (to my suprise) that not all FRFR's have a ground lift. That will surely cause hum, especially in a stage environment.
Hi Henning. Long time since we talked. As you know I'm a bass player. Well after many sound problems when performing in churches, I finally landed on the right setup. A Zoom B6 modeler thru a HeadRush FRFR 108..... (yes I said 108) speaker. That HeadRush is magnificent in the bass frequencies. And I play 5 string. I can carry a few items to the stage, hear myself and DI out of the Zoom to the FOH. (Personal Note....Everybody else look away) (When last we met at NAMM a few years ago, you had just put your dog down. I had to do the same last month. Man that messed me up.) Always love watching your channel. P.S. The amp project is still on going.
You truly do an excellent job of keeping the talking and demo in perfect amounts. I got lucky and was able to purchase an RCF NX 12 for $100 more than the NX 10 and I truly love it. To be fair I also own (and was already familiar with RCF) HD-10 tops (and for stage monitors) and RCF 8004 subs as well for playing out. I can't recommend the NX series enough if you are even thinking about getting the 10 or 12 to compliment your modeler. I use the Quad Cortex through mine and the clarity and headroom is fantastic. Another nice option not listed here (that I have tried) is the ATOMIC CLR NEO MK II. On that note don't be afraid to try the HD-10 as a monitor either as I used one before moving up to the NX 12 (which was recently).
I use an HD 10 and have been loving it. Is the NX10 a huge upgrade? Im using a Hx stomp and radial stage bug to send the XLR to FOH and use the 1/4” thru to the HD10.
@@DavidFeilyMusic Huge? No .... they are a bit smoother with more detail (especially in the mid / high end) but I'd stick with the HD if you already have it. It's a great speaker. 👍
Great, informative and fun video! I'm angeling my amp when I play because my ears aren't on my feet. 😁
I always seem to do things differently, but hey... so as my permanent home gear setup I now use a dream 65 running into a Roland PM30 drum speaker, which is such a great choice cos you have 3 stereo jack inputs with their own volume controls and a RCA stereo input, together with a master volume and a 3 band EQ, this EQ is very essential when you want to mix the drums and guitar thus allowing you to find the best compromise for both instruments.With the RCA I plug my laptop via my Tascam 2x2 to play back my recordings, my BB goes into channel 1, Dream into 2, and there's a cable ready for my phone on channel 3. It really handles the different frequencies very well, which makes sense cos on drums thats what you need from the low kick to the high sounding high hat and cymbals. In my opinion you dont want it flat when you intend to mix in drums or external music, you need to have some control on the EQ to get the best
A musician who is also a THINKER. You're awesome MAN!
Great demo! I was considering the RCF range but decided to go for QSC K8.2 and K10.2. These are excellent, hifi quality, really powerful speakers. I use an 8” stereo pair for guitar and they sound great.
so you have 2 of theses but the '8 though?
@@gordon9177 I’ve got a pair of 8” and a pair of 10”. 10” are for synths and piano and 8” I bought as monitors for project that never happened so I use them for electric guitar straight from pedal board. They’re not cheap but they are excellent quality. I’ve had Alto & JBL before which were great for the money but no where near as powerful or as good audio quality.
@@andreafox7267 who makes the '10's? i bought the Tech 21 for my 11rack years ago, b4 these came out.
@@gordon9177 they are the QSC K10.2’s.
Yes such a difference in quality.I have 2 K 10’s and 1 K 12 in my DJ performance and when I am not working plug my pod go in it and sounds great.There are many used ones available at good prices.
Excellent video. I run a concert array with RCF speakers and yes, they are expensive but damn, it's clear and loud (30000 watts!). I think you missed the point though about those of us using a modeler and needing to hear. I run a Headrush FRFR112 and at 2000 watts it'll knock your head off....but that's a monitor. What about those of us who want a little something coming off the stage? I have 2 tube amps (one has a 4x10 cab) but I carry lights and sound and don't have room for a conventional amp much less the desire to hook up the 4CM and shut off speaker sims. That's where the Powercab comes in. It's smaller but has power and yes, it has kick back legs so you aren't tickling your ankles with the sound. Any programs I use will be designed around that speaker. You're 100% right about the "feel" of a real amp....the sound jumps right out at you but sometimes there's a need for a trade-off....convenience vs my back. Keep the videos coming.
Hilarious commentary. Subscribed. I've been looking for a good floor wedge for all my shows. Looks like this can serve double duty there.
Thanks for the reviews. I already picked up a Headrush FRFR 112 2000 Watt 1x12. I am going to be running a Crotch Kotex through it, with 5 & 6 string bass, keyboard, and baritone guitars. Just for live and rehearsals. Studio recording is a whole different requirement and the Headrush will not be used there.
Keep Doing That Voodoo That You Do!
The biggest kick of these modeler systems is stereo output, imo. Just one of any of those top-end FRFRs might sound good, but a matched pair of any FRFR will be loud enough for any stage (totally played a massive venue last weekend with my Helix into two Headrush 108s and was louder than everything else on stage), AND you can get a stereo image in your effects that will blow your mind!
Do you find the 8" speaker loses anything from a 12"? I just went to Fractal AX8 and through my 5" studio monitors it sounds so synthetic.
@@michaelwilson2497 I tried the two frfrs in a store and I can tell you that they have the same volume and power (which for the size is impressive). Although the 112 has this very marked bass that is somewhat excessive in my opinion. Finally I decided on the 108 as it had a more crystalline sound. I hope to buy another one soon so I can have the pair.
How do you monitor yourself? I'm assuming the 2 headrushzz are pointing at the audience?
I got into modeling via the HX Stomp. Now, I also have an Iridium. I love using them because of the convenience and flexibility of tones. I started with an Alto TS310 frfr. It sounded good, but it didn't fill the room (VERY directional), and it didn't quite feel right. I switched to a regular guitar cab and a small power amp, and it changed everything for me. My main cab is a 1x12 loaded with a JBL K-120, but I also have several others, including a Monoprice 1x12 loaded with a V30 ($149 - crazy!). I have several power amps, some of which are DIY built form a $4 single board amplifier, and others are actually stereo HIFI amps (I play mono, and just use one channel). All of these options sound great, and work very well for my needs. Does my tube amp sound and react better? Sure, but marginally, and they are heavy. This solution (power amp and guitar cab) is working best for me. Nice video Henning - I agree that the frfr thing is largely a marketing ploy, and almost any wedge will do pretty mucg the same.
I use my stomp through the fx return of an old 90s carlsbro 80w amp and on the cd input of a mini Peavey Rage 158 and i really think this will always sound better than a stage monitor.
I really want to check the Blackstar idcore100 because of the stereo fxloop return on a dual speaker cab.
I came across a simple home playing rig - I have a Spark, I rand a line from the headphone output into the aux of a Champion 20. I'm planning on getting a Champion 40 for the 12" speaker rather than an 8". Simple, but good for home playing and getting a bigger sound than just the Spark.
Two days ago I plugged my Joyo Oxford Sound into the FX Return of my Marshall DSL20CR (combo) and I got the best tone out of this speaker I've ever heard - at a reasonable volume. The problem is that once you do this with a combo that doesn't have a separate volume control for the power amp section, the preamp pedal will control the volume entirely with the power amp being fully on. And 0,25° on the volume control decide on room volume or hearing damage.
So I think I just buy an IR Pedal, plug it into my old 12" Thomann wedge and enjoy playing. I would have used pedals with my Marshall onstage too, so screw it.
This why I got a pair of QSC K12.2 and they sound great and have many mixing/routing and EQing abilities.
That told me what I needed to know. Thank you.
I use a Zoom G6 thru a SD power stage with Celestion FrFr and it’s good for what it needed for with out lugging around a 60lbs tube head and 100lbs 412 cabinet.
I played an outside gig with the Headrush 12” and a Peavey PVX12 and used a headrush 8” as a monitor. It was more than enough volume and I was the only member not mic’d up.
The reason the peak output rating means something, is because it tells you how much clean headroom you have. That is kind of important. There are momentary peaks in almost any kind of music. Clean headroom means but those peaks aren’t going to square wave and damage your speaker.
Does square wave damage speaker? Should I not play fuzz? I have one with square wave.
@@bassyey TL;DR Just don't play your fuzz with everything else cranked to max volume, and you'll be fine.
Pumping a square wave through a speaker, in itself, isn't damaging.
It's overloading the power-amp connected to the speaker so much that it starts to either distort to a square wave by itself or clip more on top of an already-squared-out wave, that's liable to cause damage.
At that point, you're already supplying a high-amplitude load to the speakers, but due to the power-amp clipping it's also converting some of what should be high-amplitude low frequencies into even higher-amplitude high frequencies, which can overload tweeters in one of several ways - if you're lucky the speaker will just tear itself out, if you're unlucky it overheats the coil inside the tweeter and you get a fire.
A square-wave from a fuzz pedal or a synth, typically, will get compressed down to safety by a non-clipping power amp. If you're running the power-amp hard enough that it can't cope, though, the addition of the fuzz effect will generate even more high-amplitude high-frequency content.
Great video thank you - the solution I am using is to use my Bass Guitar amplifier with my new Pod Go . Whilst not a true FRFR solution it has a wider , flatter freq. response and doesn’t colour the sound as much. I set all my patches through the bass cabinet headphones connection to ensure it sound like my patch. Interested in your thought ps on this - Cheets
I REALLY enjoyed this episode, thank you. fantastic
first time on your channel. brilliant, thankyou
JUST what I need for my recent Fender Acoustisonic purchase! 😎🎸🤘🐦
Awesome video, Henning! Question for you. We are a touring, alt-folk duo (one acoustic guitar, two vocals). Planning on upgrading our rig to a pair of NX-912As for Mains & 905 AS-II for Subs. When it comes to monitors, we're debating between the NX10SMA + NX12SMA. For acoustic guitar frequencies & vocal clarity (no plans for full band yet), would you still recommend the 10s? Thanks!
That's what the guys at Sweetwater told me when I was looking for a drum speaker. They said just get a good PA.
I use a Mackie Thump 15. They told me I should get minimum 15" if I'm going to be using drums.
Now I use it for everything because I use Ableton to loop... Drums, bass, keys, guitar (through Pod Go)
I actually have a pair of them but typically use just one because two are overkill in my music room... If I want stereo I use headphones.
I bring out the two when we jam outside or play a movie outside on projector.
*I have been doing 10" speakers for years. Also the thing is when you are on a stage, the Fills and Monitors on a pro stage will be 15"... 12" are great but when you use 10's plus the sound going through the rest of the PA.... It will feel like playing with your regular 4x12 miced up.*
I’ve been playing live for years with my Kemper and A Atomic CLR NEO and love it
Got a pedal board with a victory preamp and an amp tweaker depthfinder after it. When I can make noise , it goes into a solid state Poweramp into a 1x12.
When I need to manage volume or even use headphones, the pedalboard goes into an IR loader and into a Thomann t-box 108 something something. A 8" pa speaker ,which is enough for my room then.
Hi, Henning! How would you compare your LD Systems ICOA 12 to the speakers in this video? Btw: I'm using a BluGuitar Amp1 into a BluBox into an active PA-Speaker and i'm really impressed, how realistic it feels...
For me in my small studio at home one Headrush FRFR108 into my MX5 works great. Cheap and very compact and works great for that purpose.
👍yea I'm using the 108 with a pod go, and it's pretty impressive.
Dear Pauly, can you test the G66 10's that Marco Fantom created with Redsouns ?
Do you think tht 108 is good for low volume playing without gettomg boxy? Not sure getting iloud micro monitors, using a yamha thr as frrfr or the headrush. Just for low volume in an apartment
I have the Headrush as an alternate to a Mackie 8” monitor and have to say I have gone back to the Mackie. However both fit into the boot of my MX5 which is good.
I have the headrush 112 with a hx stomp. Sounds great.
I use an discontinued Atomic FR. It has a 6l6 tube. To get stereo sound I got a little laney extension frfr speaker.
But man that Atomic sounds awesome!, That Atomic really gives a little exta with the tubes but still reacting very well to IR's. This frfr gives everything you want from a tube amp and give you the flexibility that comes with your unit.
Mine is the Ax8.
I totally agree with you on the power cab. It just didn’t sound good to me. I went back to my real amp.
Revisiting this just now?
I did put on my headphones, and hilariously I just got overwhelmingly amused, albeit simultaneously a tad awkwardly uncomfortable whilst having you ASMR whispering soo close into each of my ears!
LMAO!
Do it again!!
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I honestly really needed that laugh today.
Seriously...
Thank you Henning!
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Problem with those binaural mics is that they add a resonance in the ear cavity that our ear already adds to the headphone sound. You should ideally do a narrow EQ cut at the resonant peak to get it level with everything else. Our brains only filter that out once. Doubling it up by leaving it on just makes everything harsh.
Everything you said in the first 3 minutes was exactly why I bought TWO Headrush FRFR108's. I use them as powered PA tops, on solo/duo gigs, and as monitors for full band gigs. Highly recommend, if any one is curious. Great sound, lots of power, and cheap as chips.
exactly dude. Ironic.
Hey Henning, fantastic video. On this subject, I have a request for you to review the Harley Benton G212A-FR Active Cabinet - It's specced beautifully and is killing the price range of its competitors. Wondering if it's any good. The Thomann reviews are all top.
Hello! I would like to respectfully offer my opinion that the Mission Engineering Gemini-2 cabs really are AMAZING! I purchased one (and then another for stereo) to use with my Quad Cortex, and I could not speak more highly about them. They truly give you that heavy, thumpy 4X12 cab feel with a very “open” amp-in-the-room tone. HIGHLY recommended!
Doesn't that weight like 60+ lbs, thus defeating the point of a modeling rig? CONVENIENCE!
@@williambronchick4350 the point of modelling rig is the access to so many different tones, not just convenience
Hi Henning. Thanks for this review. Since you've tested both, how would an ASM 10 (or 12) compare to an Harley Benton frfr112a ? Thanks in advance
Just bought a Mackie Thump 15A Powered PA Speaker for bass to use with my HX Stomp - sounds incredible and VERY loud - got it in the BAX sale for £270 - into the input, out to the FOH - life is sweet!
I agree with you but in most several cases the Headrush frfr and the Harley Benton are a little cheaper then a PA speaker. I have tube amps and frfr to use with Line 6 and Mooer units. I usually use an amp and cab but the other day I had a tight stage so i went with my line6 pod go and a headrush frfr112 and the sound was great the the crown enjoyed the sound I felt it was very accurate in my tones.
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Thank you Jen!!!!
Totally agree with you! Just buy a powered foldback wedge. I use a Peavey Renown 212, the original solid state
I have a headrush frfr108 and gotta be honest, I think it sounds fantastic. Having said that I had no confusion about what it is, which is basically a powered pa speaker with a 2 channel mixer. I am fine with that, the price is not bad at all either.
Yep its a Alto TS208 with a different badge. Alto and Headrush are part of the same company,
I have the small headrush too and use it with a few different modellers. The top end has to be rolled off as it gets harsh at high volume but it has some kick to it for a small unit and good bass response. Also it is pretty loud!!
And what do you think about Bosé S1?
I've got the headrush too. It sounds good but.....
Not accurate. If I dial in a sound on the headrush, it sounds entirely different on recordings/ thru studio monitors. Just my 2 cents.
@@rainingsideways6001 I also got them, pair of 108s, and they sound “different” from the recordings due to ambient interference, ain’t it? I usually take it into consideration, just my 2 cents with a genuine question.
Great video thank you!
What about a modeler THROUGH a guitar amp? Would that work and sound as good as a pedal board through an amp? You can use your modeler as just an effects processor (pedal board) into the amp? Correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you for the great content!!!
Hi Henning, I use a Vox Cabinet with 2 (x12”) Kemper Kones for my Kemper profiler power head.
Looks like the old thing and soundwise comes very close to a stack. Did you try those?
I bought a couple of Laney LFR112's you can angle it and feed FOH from it. Has an excellent amp in room feel also.
Excellent video. I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts on using the ANT gear for bass.
Hello,can you recommend a non active passive guitar speaker wedge?Im using a Isp ultra head through my Isp theata pro red pedal board, Thanks.Love the videos.
Your production of video's are getting more professional by the day Henning! This one was a really usefull video for me. I use neural dsp plugins, and love using them with headphones. Was on the fence about buying a monitor like the asm, but going with a laney supertop 15 tube with 1x12 harley benton vintage cabinet. I do think it sound to digital after all.
I happen to have a Roland street cube 50w, if u use gear with a DC barrel input then u can power with a usb power bank with a bird cord from songbird, it’s better than the AA battery pack in the Roland bc it bypasses power saving mode. It’s pretty good with my mooer GE250 which is also battery pack powered for mobile use anywhere. 99% of powered speakers are AC input only, the Roland is the only dc and battery op. The street cube 50 is definitely more of a PA than an amp. It works great with modelers.
Thank you, as always, thank you!
Great review, Thx 😁
I'm using my 9100 Marshall Power Amp 50/50 with 2X12 Speaker Cab, bypass the Cab simulation or IRs on my multi-effects and it sounded superb live. Alternatively, you can use any Guitar Amps or Combo Amps by the effects return to get into the power amp section.
Well done - another good approach!
Great review!
Bella recensione, complimenti!
Ho una pedaliera con HX Stomp e diversi pedali analogici (prevalentemente OD e Dist.), tutti gestito via MIDI da una Glab GSC4.
Al momento uso pedaliera con ampli valvolare ma vorrei provare a passare completamente al digitale usando anche simulazioni amp ed IR della HX Stomp ed entrando direttamente nel Mixer che uso con la band.
Domanda: una ANT ASM 10 può andar bene sia per uso casalingo (per fare i suoni) sia come monitor da palco collegata direttamente alla pedaliera/aux del mixer?
Grazie mille..
I have some Carvin stagemate PA speakers that I have been using with my Ax8 and they sound great 😃👍
Great video - thanks for all the info, what is that amazing wooden guitar stand on the left?
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My Band uses the Yamaha DBR12 as our PA tops and they are absolutely awesome. We use IEMs for monitors most of the time, but in the rehearsal room they act as our vocal and guitar speakers primarily. They are light, rugged and sound awesome. We have played a variety of outdoor stages with them and they are plenty loud and we often get compliments on how great they sound. Can't recommend yamaha dbr12 speakers enough!
Thanks for the review, your input has pushed me towards the Yamaha! I have been thinking about something for my Helix for some time now. Also thinking I can run my Yamaha THR10 into one of these for a serious upgrade.
How do you find the quality to be as far as quietness / no hiss when the volume is low? I'm hoping it is clean and quiet?
@@S1L3NTknight You can hear a fan when it is silent, but it is quiet.
Thanks for this amazing video. What is your opinion on using QSC K12 or K8 as a speaker for AMP modellers?
I don’t know them
true, nothing sounds like a guitar speaker. But the issue is that nowadays more and more setups are feeding the PA system through line signals and not by miking cabs. So the fun of these FRFR (or just PA) speakers is that you try to hear yourself the same way the audience hears you.
Did you happen to try the Celestion F12-X200 speaker ? I think it's best of both worlds, especially when placed into the Celestion reference design cab.
Very helpful video, thank you! For a solo love show using backing tracks and Line 6 HX stomp, what are your thoughts on running everything directly into the mixing board?
From my experience of touring, for whatever it's worth... My concern with this solution would be reliance on gear and engineers that are subject to change one night to the next. The advantage of having your own monitor is a degree of greater control of your monitoring setup. If you're playing at venues where you're sufficiently comfortable with those variables, run it all into the board by all means. It's not that it can't work - all other variables being equal it's my preference. I just personally want to have the option to do something myself if I feel I need it.
Great video Henning! Part of the reason I bought a POD Go was from your 5-part series a while back. I also have a Headrush 108 and an Alto 10" FRFR cab I use in my rig. I love them both. I'm also using a Trio+ and it totally inspires my creativity. So consistent and convenient. God bless and Merry Christmas 🎄🎸
I also have the iPod Go and the Headrush 108, played live several times and I really enjoy the flexibility - always enjoyable and plenty loud.
Danke, das hat mir echt weiter geholfen
it not replace any real amp+cab,
so does it more for flexibility ? thx
Great Video.
Lots of high end monitors are 15inch. But I sometimes had a mix of 12 and 15’s and used 12 inch monitors for guitar players, singers, keyboard players, horn players. For drummers and bassists a 15 can be handy but for guitarists and singers a 12 usually works better because it doesn’t need to be a 15 and in my experience a 12 doesn’t have the low end that you don’t need and even sits in the way somehow.
My 2 cents: buy 1 for each bandmember except the singer who will be very happy if he/she/… gets 2. Maybe a small sub for the drummer and a mixer with a splitter to go to foh. That way you have your own monitor setup for smaller gigs and the desk for medium or even big gigs. I once even enjoyed an epica show from foh as monitor engineer on a festival because they had their own mixer on stage and also new how to use it and what they needed. But then again, on medium and big gigs let the pro’s do their job…
I.don't underhand why you think this one needs a 12 and this one needs a 15....
They all have ears... And are needing to hear what the other players are doing.. Bass players don't need 15s anymore than anyone else.. Their monitor isn't going to require more bass response.. Than say the drummer or singer...
Why would a singer need a 12 over a 15?
The monitors should be EQed to.give what is needed... Regardless of being 12" or 15" driver..
Great video Henning. If you're spending £1k+ for a modeler that will give you access to a wide range of amp and cab tones, why would you want to skrimp on the speaker output... assuming that you didn't already have decent headphones or monitors ? I have an Atomic CLR that I've had for some time... sounds lush even at lower volumes. I'd definitely go for the RCFs.
Thank you!
but... what if i wanted to use one of these monitors for an electric bass?
What would be the best choice?
the 12 inch?
Great review!!!
I have a pod go a captor X a 15 watt head peavy 5150 III and a larger 40 watt amp and a 2x12 cab. Maybe a series on best portable options light with easy rig for jamming with a band. Would be great can a 15 watt hold up with a loud hard hitting drummer?
Was thinking of the cab M with pod go and my cab. Or smaller 1x12 guitar cab etc.
Would love for you to review the new battery powered Mackie.
I'm thinking of getting one as a floor monitor that I could also use as a giant Bluetooth speaker at other settings.
So Henning, I want to buy a Fractal FM3 (or FM9), and use it in my appartment to have fun with all the amp & cab models and recreate some album sounds to play along to my favourite songs with a tone that fits. I don't gig. I don't play in a band. I don't play live. I'm just a bedroom rockstar. What should I pick if I want an FRFR monitor that makes the models sound amazing, good clarity, but is suitable for home/appartment use?
Hi Henning , i am using 2 alto ts310 with my Helix floor + and happy enough , however im having to use them for something else so the obvious thing would be to buy another 2 the same for my helix ( £550 ) but im tempted by the harley benton 2x12 FRFR which can run stereo and is only (£250) BUT i can find NO videos or reviews at all ( other than the Thomann one ) , thought you would have done one , Have you tried them , any info would be appreciated , Cheers from Scotland
i play thru headrush 108 speakers i really like the way they sound. the plug in i use is overlouf thu . but i want to get an amplifier this year .i love sitting in the middle of the speakers for a stereo effect
Is 70-20hz good enough for the ant asm 10? It's probably rated at 10 db, so the signal can jump around anywhere between that.
Good video. Some years back I decided to use a line 6 pod live. I bought a small Peavey PA which I could also run my acoustic through which was a win.
So, since the Katana MkII has the Power Amp In feature, would it be worth buying a 100 watt 12" FRFR speaker for use with a Helix or Headrush?
First things first, awesome channel&work!
Did you mention that any monitor feels like an amp in the room.
Can you get that feeling with an amp? (But still get good sound)
From your comments, I deduce that powercab 112 and katana 100 mkii as amplifier are not good enough.
But what about katana using "power amp in" for helix/headrush/kemper?
Also, katana artist mkii power amp in? It has a better speaker, but maybe it is not flat/good enough?
Another amps that do a good job with modelers?
Did you have/test the line6 stagesource l2t? It should be a good competitor here, But it's hard to find it since yamaha bought line6.
It has the same thing about not feeling like an amp in the room?
I've found the gemini gm-1 & the laney lfr-112 both seems very nice! But until I'll go to a store to test them it is hard to say.
Danke für die ehrliche Zusammenfassung.
I use zoom multi effects processor as pre amp and boss katana 50 as power amp. Is this combination good ??????
Or should i just go all out with the katana amp ?
Having IRs in the PowerCab frees up more DSP in the Helix for more FX and amp blocks.
I'd be really interested to see a review of the Harley Benton G212-A FRFR cabinet with the stereo power amp. Kind of looks like a whole lot of good FRFR features combined into one unit, but there really aren't any reviews out there.
I was thinking about one of those as well
Great video. If you review something like this again you could use a program like rew to measure the actual output into the room.
Could u please use the same setup and review the mission frfr as well?
I use a yorkville ps12p I got used and works great and super loud
Nice review, should help sell some FRFR for Christmas. Very informative! Hard to understand why some companies don't include the 1/4" input/output. One item on my wish list would be for you to review one of these units with an acoustic patch and a "decent" acoustic-electric guitar. Could illuminate some differences with that additional test.
...because you will never ever want you fully driven speaker have the impact of a rugged out jack-cable (which might even be "mono"/unsymmetrical). thats just not professional at all. get a decent xlr cable. that will last. your powered-monitor will last. your hearing will last (without the dash of an unplugged cable in the wrong moment).
Because these are floor monitors. They are made to hook up to the aux outputs of a mixing desk. Which is a good idea because then you can have a mix in your wedge.
Best amp demo I’ve seen
Would be awesome to compare RCF units vs the G66/RedSound monitors. Similar price range