Putting the 'War' in Star Wars | A Prequels Analysis
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The Prequels are not good. But they're fascinating in how they try to be. Today on Quinton Reviews, we discuss George Lucas' most infamous creation, and how they prove to be the most interesting commentary on War in the entire Star Wars saga (if you skip past all the Jar Jar scenes). Enjoy!
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Books on the Millenium Falcon
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Here is a clip of the texts so you can compare the spines of the books.
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Sure looks like Yoda didn't burn them to me, and lied to Luke, from a certain point of view. His words "There is nothing in the texts she does not already possess", was because she had the books.
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Hey Quinton, this was really fucking good. Even though I dislike the sequels, you're right about how they portray're trying to portray the story they setup, but i would argue as poorly as the prequels.
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Quinton: "America used chemical warfare to cripple the citizens of the nation, killed 60,000 of its own soldiers, and 3 million of the Vietnamese"
Background music: *funky cartoon horn solo*
the WILD and WACKY story of the VIETNAM WAR for KIDS now featuring AGENT ORANGE !!!
Ellie Wilson chemical weapons?
@@condor7435 pss, little secret, the US its the badguys 90% of the time
All that war crimes was really harshing the vibe, you know?
@@condor7435 Agent Orange. My father has a friend who goes by "Crazy Dave" who suffered from it.
It's funny that a chemical that "Eats away at vegetation the Enemy is hiding in" has a habit of eating away U.S. Soldier lung tissue as well.
My favorite thing in the Prequels is the fact that Jar Jar Binks is almost solely responsible for the fall of the entire galaxy. Great vid.
Ever heard of Darth Jar Jar? Yeah that’s it
@@kovenmaitreya7184 That's just a theory Jar Jar was just a regular guy who got caught up in some bullshit and had to step up. Period. Dude was just a guy trying to do the right thing for his people and got used by the powers that be. Funny how no one admits all the good he accomplished though. One thing that always gets me is the Gungans in the Naboo city in Episode 2. That's Jar Jar's work, the Gungans and the Naboo were Enemies before that. Enemies!! So put some respect on his name.
@@Fenris30 Evil people can do good things sometimes... usually to serve their own ends, eventually. But anyway, have you checked out the entire site about the Darth Jar Jar theory or watched the CZcams video that covers it? You should check it out in its totality. It's quite compelling.
The main things that stuck out to me is the unique name Lucas gave him and the extremely unusual reaction that the Gungans had towards him when he returned to the Gungan city with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. He said that those reactions were from being clumsy and to me that just doesn't add up. Compare to a character that Binks has an almost same name to (Bink, a magician from Xanth book series) and the coincidences get weird.
Mace would have known better and just killed him when they first met. "He's to dangerous to live".
Jar jar is the key to all of this
The "I am the Senate" line is probably a reference to the apocryphal "I am the State" quote by Louis XIV
That's what I assume too
„L’etat, C’est moi“
Reminds me of Fauci. I AM the science! Though he didn't say that as an exact quote but moreso implied it.
@@mikeexits what
& people call it bad dialogue lol 😅 while some lines are just straight up poorly written alot of them are just very theatrical compared to the original trilogy & people didn’t get some of the references so they think it’s bad lol
Have anyone else thought about the fact that clone troopers are genetically modified to age twice as fast as regular humans so that they can be put in the field quicker, so for example a 20 year old looking clone is actually 10, so therefor not only does the republic have an army of slaves, but an army of under aged slaves.
Because human standards of age are irrelevant in a society consisting of differing species that age at different rates. By that logic, "Baby Yoda" could be classed as a senior citizen even though within his species, which ages over 9x that of humans, he's still an infant/toddler.
Curious, where do droids fall on that spectrum? They are clearly sentient and are produced in just as large of numbers. How do you ethically fight quadrillions of droids anyway?
@@paulbutkovich6103 Well they don't seem like they are as independent as the clones. While the clones are programed to follow some orders no matter what like Order 66 they can still question other ones, for example in the Umbara arc in clone wars (spoilers if you haven't seen it) some of the clones actually questioned general Krell while if they were battle droids they would just blindly follow him. So even if the battle droids were sentient they don't have the same amount of free will. If that makes it more ethical I'm not sure.
@@oldaccount546 Yeah, the clonemasters say that the big advantage to clones is that they are more creative. Not sure if that means sentient or just that the battle droids are made dumber. Either way it's a little hard to argue ethics when the alternative is getting swarmed under.
@@Bigred073 but Yoda wasn't created to have the privilege of a long life.
The prequels have grown on me, immensely. They're hilariously clumsy and in many ways outright bad, but in the context of the clone wars tv show, rebels, and the genuinely interesting transformation of the republic into an empire, I'm glad they exist. And I'm glad they arent like the original trilogy.
I also like the style and art direction of it, all the cool aliens they introduced, the robes the jedis wear, the interesting locations. Maybe it's all just nostalgia, but it's my favorite look any star wars has had (excluding bad CGI moments)
Chloe Pechlaner I feel like they’re pretty campy just like the first movie, which I enjoy
And of course, the music is amazing
The Clone Wars definitely did a lot to help me appreciate what the prequels were about. I guess what I'd always been missing from them was the gaps in characterization and context of the war itself, and the Clone Wars gave me so much of that. I came to ep3 with new eyes afterwards, and enjoyed it a lot more.
royaltimes I think the same thing
Yeah we lost freedoms during the wars but at least palpatine made the trains run on time
And the palpatine general hospital
I hear similar things about e-rightwing populists here in Sweden. "Maybe they have a lot of racists that are exposed and have to be kicked out of the party, but when they come to power they will fix EVERYTHING!!!!!!"
Fascism seems to have a strange lure on the fearful. Just as Darth Maul said in the ol' teaser. :-(
Thats most important
@@ertymexx Yeah. Too bad the rest of the swedish establishment had to assist in fucking things up so majorly as to push swedish voters towards that party, en masse. SWEDES. Trust me, swedes would much rather be in their 10 years ago-bubble, where the swede willingly believed politicians and the media to be generally on the look out for their interests as citizens.
500th like lets go
"I really love Ashoka and hope to see her in live action someday"
Filoni: "hold my cowboy hat"
Never get what you wish for.
@Speedhammer then don’t incite an argument.
I have a [completely healthy] amount of hype
When I see the scene at the end of attack of the clones with Palpatine overlooking his army of clones, I always saw that as the beginning of the galactic empire; not order 66, not Palpatine getting emergency powers, and not Palpatine's speech at the end of ROTS. The moment the Republic takes up arms against it's own people to ensure obedience it becomes the empire. And the Jedi were part of it
Agreed. Especially since the Republic didn't even train recruits. They just bought living beings to use as a slave army to save their own asses.
That moment still gives me chills. That color scheme (RED) with that dying republic theme move to Imperial march.... GOT DAMN!
Quinton literally says that in this video. Why did you make this comment as if you are the only one to feel this way
@@johnnygyro2295 Right and you can see Bail Organa slam his fist in disgust because he also knows "shit is gonna get worse"
"fans" like Chris Stuckman is so lost in his unjustified hatred for the prequels he didn't notice throughout they showed why Bail Organa, Padme and other senators secretly started the rebel alliance (it was hinted at in AOTC)
agreed. theres a reason the imperial march starts playing in that scene
Not to defend the actual line about sand but I think the subtext was that sand reminded him of his mother and life as a childslave. It also made him feel guilty for leaving his mother behind. When he takes the sand at her grave (never knew he did that, good catch!) it signifies him believing he is to blame for his mother's death.
Or maybe not, idk. Maybe Lucas just thought it rhymed.
CallofBear yeah that’s probably it
He's embracing the pain and taking it with him.
Anakin will never forget.
Anakin will never forgive.
The sand is definitely a metaphor for Anakin's childhood. By saying he hates it, he's denying any emotional attachment to his mother and his home planet. The vision of his mother and her death brings those suppressed feelings flooding back, along with his failure to free her from slavery and save her life. By taking a fistful of sand from her grave he is basically swearing never to forget his roots, and never to fail again.
IAN HEINE you gotta source for a brother in need?
@IAN HEINE "I don't like Sand People. They're coarse and rough and irritating and they get everywhere"
What has Anakin brought his new Empire?
A: Peace
B: Freedom
C: Justice
D: Security
Lots of dead Imperial Officers.
I see this as an absolute win.
E: All of the above
My allegiance is to the Republic, to DEMOCRACY!
F: Anime tiddies
G: Pizza
My family dragged me to see Episode 3 back when it came out. I hadn't seen any of the other movies, so it was my introduction to the franchise... I had no idea who the characters were and the fact that the protagonist turned into Darth Vader at the end was an actual twist I never saw coming. I left the theatre feeling pretty impressed with the setting and storyline though, and thought "well, if this is what all Star Wars movies are like I can see why it's so popular". Ha...
Almost like nostalgia makes people incredibly irrational and place astronomical expectations on movies that come decades later than the ones people worship.
@@KrazyKelor revenge of the sith is the best star wars movie over made
@@BiGMaC078 Amen. And it still is to this day! :)
@Liz Lee Hard disagree. For me, the visuals were dynamic, we saw and spent a good amount of time with many different and unique civilizations & cities, and the galaxy felt truly like a galaxy in the entire Prequel trilogy compared to the redundant and constrained visuals of the Sequels. Though the Sequel's visuals were also great, the worldbuilding just wasn't nearly as on par as with the OT and PT, imho.
@@BiGMaC078 it’s my second favourite, but it’s got the best story
I always thought that the scene about sand was very awkward because Anakin had never had the opportunity to be in love and care. therefore when he tries it's awkward and weird for the reason that he just hasn't done it before.
You're right, but it's not the sand part that shows it, it's the part right after that. "Here, everything is soft and smooth..." *runs hand along Padme's back* Jesus fuck, Anakin.
@@damkylan3 Whats wrong? i see myself in there, he is not perfect like Rey and beloved. He has a social flaw
Nicolas Oliveira The thing that’s weird about it to me is that Padme is still into him by the end of the movie, in fact only a few scenes later. It doesn’t make any sense. Or rather feels kind of unnatural to me, so unnatural it puts me out of the story.
“Padme can I smell your feet?”
If they were more self aware with the fact that Anakin can't flirt for sh*t, I think the scene would be a meme for better reasons.
"That library contained nothing the girl Rey does not already possess."
I thought it was because she literally already had the books.
Drew Bush Well, sure! If you wanna explain it the *easy* way.
@Dangerz Own she took them, you see them on the Falcon
@Dangerz Own i think she stole them lol
Sometimes... things... are metaphorical... AND... literal.
@Dangerz Own it showed them in like a drawer on the falcon. I would say watch it again to see it but...
I interpret the song from Episode 1 is called “Duel Of The Fates” because Qui-Gon, Obiwan and Darth Maul were ultimately fighting for Anakin’s fate. If Anakin were trained by Qui-Gon, he probably wouldn’t have become Darth Vader. Qui-Gon was an unconventional Jedi who questioned the dogma, which was why he wasn’t on the council. If Qui Gon trained Anakin in his own way, Anakin would be able to become the great Jedi he was idealized to be in A New Hope. Of course, Qui-Gon was killed in the fight, and Obiwan became Anakin’s master. Obiwan drilled the Jedi’s orthodox teachings into Anakin for years, crippling him emotionally.
True. And if Darth maul won?
@@xstoofpeer probably would have anakin become darth vader earlier and be the sith he could have been before obi wan crippled him
@@dishonoredflame8260 I wonder if he would have saved Schmee or would be prevented from doing it in that timeline.
I don't really see obi wan as a dogmatic jedi though. Especially considering the clone wars
I think it has more to do with Obiwan's inexperience. His master died before he became a knight and he immediately jumps into training Anakin. That's kinda like a teacher's assistant trying to teach Stephen Hawking. Qui-Gon had more experience, not only as a Jedi, but training other Jedi.
Being taught to control your emotions when you're constantly frustrated with your teacher is one hell of feedback loop.
I love the aggressive negotiations line. One of the genuinely funny and bond forming lines in the prequels
It was Jar Jar's BIZARRE adventure, actually.
Fives: I must uncover this great fruit carte- I mean anti Jedi and anti Republic conspiracy!
Senate S. Palpatine: So you do intend to *pursue* me?
wAs ThAt A jOjO rEfErEnCe?
Don't compare the greatest anime/manga to the prequels
@@thievesrefuge7407 lol, is any anime even good?
@@danielventoso662 yes, there are many anime that easily blow star wars out of the water
"Yularen is based off of Vader's old gang"
Well, I mean, *Yularen is one of the old gang.*
No joke, In ANH, when Vader meets with tarkin, the guy in the background with the white moustache and uniform IS Yularen
I mean, that's pretty much what I got when that guy was shown in the video. To say he was "based" on that character is pretty much to say "they took a guy chilling in the background from a scene in ANH and gave him an onscreen backstory."
In fact, it was actually a bit of a whoopsie, because they thought based on the white outfit, he was probably an Admiral. But see, people checked out his rank based on the stripes on his chest (yes, they actually mean something, crazy, right?) and it turned out he was a Colonel. So then a bunch of canon had to get twisted in to explain why Yularen went from commanding whole fleets in the Clone Wars to a lowly Colonel in the Empire.
@@misterbadguy7325 actually hes the head of the ISB (Imperal Security Bureau) basically the empires FBI, before that he had retired before tarkin offered him the position, its actually kinda neat that such a nobody character was given so much backstory
Marcus Dagenais He’s not the head, the ISB is lead by an unknown director. He is just a senior officer.
Slaanesh first things first: begone warp spawned sex addict
Now onto the actual comment I’m pretty sure Isard was decanonized by Disney
I don’t care how bad the dialogue was or how cringey Anakin and Padme’s relationship was, the prequels were an essential part of my childhood and I will always cherish them for that.
A relationship that ends with one partner murdering another is either cringey or unrealistic...
"The prequels are masterpieces and here's why" I might just make my own video essay lmao.
Because I feel the same.
Me to
@@dmitriygryaznov9210 that's...neither sadly
"Corporations do not rule us"- the Separatist movement, literally founded by a trade federation
But not ruled over by them.
@@wesley5729 tell that to the people of Naboo
@@darthfastball1150 tell that to Kanjiklub
@@darthfastball1150 the Separatists weren't a thing during the Naboo crisis
@@ntfoperative9432 it was thongs like the naboo crisis that lead towards the separatist creation
I think there's a misunderstanding across the fandom about what the Jedi philosophy regarding emotions is supposed to be. To me, it appears quite similar to Buddhism in that the goal is not to completely shut off all your emotions, but to not allow yourself to be swallowed by them. So feel your emotions, but let them go after. Work to get through them so you aren't driven by them to the detriment of yourself and those around you.
Anakin's failing wasn't in listening to the Jedi and shutting off his empathy in response to their teaching. It was his unregulated emotions that led him to genocide, child murder, and joining the Sith.
Yoda wasn't telling Anakin not to care, he was telling Anakin to accept the things that are out of his control. Death is a natural part of life and will come for us all someday. If you spend your life terrified of losing your loved ones, you will likely act in ways that are not good for you or the people around you.
For a milder, real world example - say you're terrified of your wife leaving you for someone else. Maybe it's happened to you before or maybe you just feel you're not good enough for her. If you allow this fear to constantly occupy your mind, you might start getting overly jealous of her spending time with male friends. So you get controlling. You try to stop her from hanging around with those people, you interrogate her about where she is, who she's with, what she's doing. You destroy your relationship (and your own moral character) because you're scared.
Most people feel like there's someone they absolutely cannot live without. But that's not true. Friends/family are necessary for a happy life, but one specific person is not. Life will go on after your father dies or you break up with your partner or your child leaves home. "Letting go of attachment" in the Jedi sense is about understanding that.
The Jedi failed Anakin not because their core philosophy was flawed, but because he wasn't given enough guidance in how to actually get through the intense emotions he was feeling. And also because the life of a monk in a judgemental, corrupt organization was probably just not suited to the poor guy.
Oh, and Yoda didn't say that about Rey because she understood the core of their teachings and he decided they could just discard all the ancient wisdom. He said it because she stole all the books before the place was destroyed. Rey had everything that was in there with her literally, not figuratively 😂
I wouldn't say the Jedi "didn't give enough guidance"- he is fully aware that he's "not acting as a Jedi Should" and "not the Jedi [he] should be" etc, and has no problem explaining the concepts to other people- eg Padme ("compassion" vs "love"), Ahsoka (throughout the cartoon), Rex (re: Echo in s7). The problem is his reluctance to address his own fears- he gets defensive and deflects. And that's something the council saw immediately- the scene where they're testing him, they ask "how do you feel", he says "cold", they keep probing and get to his fear for his mother, and he gets defensive and goes "what's THAT got to do with anything??"
Basically, they can't help him until he admits he has a problem, and Palpatine's on his other shoulder telling him he doesn't have any problems and nothings wrong with him.
Mmmm, but Anakin could have helped his mother. He had the visions before she was kidnapped. Shimi had an absolutely excruciating life and death. Anakin could have aided her, but since the jedi were so negative when it came to his unavoidable attachment to her, they told Anakin to forget his visons. To make peace with them. But thats stupid, if it is in your power to help someone then you should do it. Its canon that the Jedi even kept her letters to him. Shimi and Anakin didn't deserve that. It highlights how the Jedi were really inactive when it came to the plight of many defenseless people, and only helped politicians, planets that gave them power in the war and the wealthy. They may have not have been aware of it, but thats what ended up happening. It's also why so many normal citizens didn't really care that much when they were wiped out.
Its a failing from all sides. The fault in the Jedi I think is that they created a culture that was so rigid that Anakin could not air these worries out. If he's going to be expelled for having a wife, obviously he isn't going to tell the Jedi Masters his worries about losing Padme, and thus they cannot help him navigate those worries.
The core philosophy was fine. The problem was how the Jedi interpreted and implemented that philosophy.
@@Killzoneguy117 Agreed. Forced celibacy is NEVER a good thing. (**cough cough CATHOLIC PRIESTS cough cough**)
@@Killzoneguy117 that to me at least, feels like what Lucas is going for. It perfectly rhymes with most religions today. Much of their philosophy is good but how certain powers interpret it what goes wrong.
The Prequels failed in execution.
The Sequels failed in having a plan.
Yes. Just yes. The prequels are laughable in execution, but it did have one clear story.
Snoke and Kylo Ren are still really cool though.
@@sunsetphilosophy9065 too bad their fates were horribly written
Galimeer5 it’s a shame he clearly likes the sequels when he mocks the argument that Rey is an obvious Mary Sue
Sunset Philosophy kylo could be a cool character, im learning writing so i can see how they could’ve made him good. Too bad he’s a terrible character with inconsistent behaviour and writing
anakin choosing to hold on to the sand is him giving in to, holding onto and accepting, his rage, his fury. he HATES sand, yet he keeps it close to him on purpose, BECAUSE he hates it.
still a very stupid setup but yknow
I just imagine Anakin keeping a purse full of sand to combat any unexpected waves of empathy.
@@NoiseDay vader keeps sand in his pants at all times
@@lunardogs2416 Palpatine filled Vader's boots with sand.
@@lunardogs2416 "Pocket sand!"
Yeah he is Tom Sizemore character Mike from Saving Private Jacket.He collects all the earth from every shore he steps foot on during the war..Except dumber...and more intense!
“Millions of people were killed in the war. It crippled the morale of America”
*upbeat country swing music*
"I hope we get to see Ahsoka in live-action one day"
:)
The mandalorian
You get your wish but at what cost?
@@animelvr99 Shit writing that was the cost 😔
As soon as you said "true evil in the universe" it showed an image of Mike Bloomberg for an ad.
Mace got thrown out the Windu.
RIP purple lightsaber guy 😥
Side note, You ever notice how all the third party content like games and cartoon shows are always excited to show that there's more lightsaber colors other than red, blue and green, but in the movies the only guy that ever got to be unique was mace windu? Kinda bothers me, I'm waiting for some dude to show up with a bright pink one and nobody question it.
@@curtissmith7039 I've heard that Mace Windu had a purple lightsaber, because Samuel L. Jackson wanted one so he could stick out more in the arena battle.
@@StephanieSparda I read the same lol. What I found funny was that Lucas tried to argue with him that "light sabers aren't purple, they're only green, blue and red.". Jackson didn't care
Cheap but clever
So nobody remembers the alien dude with the yellow lightsaber? Ok lol
21:02 I had always attributed the sand quote to the fact that it reminds him of Tatooine, where he was a slave. To him sand reminded him of a past he wanted to forget. Its been a while since I watched Episode II so I missed the part where he picks up a handful, but I think it comes back to the same thing but with different motivations. He's now using sand to remind him of his past because that's the only place where he can see his mother alive. Its cheesy but that's the through line I found in it anyway
Yeah its cheesy but also this is some slave child who's been raised in a cult for 10 years, It makes sense he wouldn't be great at flirting.
"Good is a point of view, Anakin." - Nietzsche
The prequels are like a bad history lesson. Everything in it could be fascinating if told differently
The Prequels are better then any other American Media dealing with these themes precisely because of how they do it.
@@Kuudere-Kun the prequels are not better than band of brothers
And if you want proof of that, look no further than the original, *good* Battlefront 2 from 2005. It told the story of the transition from the Republic to the Empire from the perspective of one of the clones of the 501st Legion, Anakin Skywalker's personal battalion from the Battle of Geonosis that marked the start of the war, to the coup of Order 66 which cemented the Emperor's regime change, to the Battle of Hoth which put the insurgent Rebel Alliance on the ropes.
I wouldn't say it was told badly honestly could have been better but yeah
I totally agree
This is probably the best thematic look at the Prequel Trilogy I’ve ever seen. I can’t wait until the next video, but please don’t push yourself too hard.
And remember: The Clones are slave soldiers bred and conditioned into blind patriotism and subservience to an imperialist state. The Republic is the biggest buyer of slave labor in the galaxy.
snuggling with depression idk, I feel like a lot of the slightly in depth looks into the morality of things in Star Wars come out pessimistic, but if you look a bit further then it doesn’t become so black and white with “the Jedi/republic are evil”.
For instance, with your example of clones being slave labour, does that come into play if they were created for a specific purpose and their “nature” or sense of right was specifically talloired to be something, ie fighting a war? That goes into the nature of man and all, is the republic employing them any more employing “slave labor” than we as humans are slave to our desires? If they were implanted with these imperatives before birth, I don’t think you could argue that it is strictly wrong. That’s the sense that I got from the prequels proper and most of the clone wars. Clones are not fully human in the sense of natural law since their natural law was tailor made for them. If a golf ball machines one imparitive is to create golf balls, is it being told to create golf balls making it a slave in amorally negative context? I think this is more muddled in the tv series were we see clones as actual characters which gives them a more human bent.
On the point of the Jedi, I see very little wrong with their philosophy from an internally morally consistent stance. The practicality of it can definitely be questioned from Naboo and back, but they follow a moral imparitive in the sense that the only good is the intent of goodness. Unless of course you can jump the is ought gap.
@@midshipman8654 Okay, only going after one point since you had talked about a fair bit, but; 'With your example of clones being slave labour, does that come into play if they were created for a specific purpose and their "nature" or sense of right was specifically talloired to be something, ie fighting a war?'
Yes, completely yes. It isn't even an argument, it's as simple as asking if the child of a slave who was born already enslaved and raised thinking that their entire life was just to work for their master is a slave or not. A slave isn't defined by details such as personal belief, but rather by their position, and it doesn't matter if you are born into the situation or not, it is still slavery.
TamaraBloodhoof well, yes, but the defining difference between the traditional notion of a slave and the clones, is that a slave, or humans in general, are not purpose built, or in other words it is not necessarily their nature to be a slave. Is an ant a slave because it is compelled to work or even die for the colony? That might be a little insulting of a comparison, so maybe the example of an AI is better. If an AI has a prime directive, say making golf balls, even if it is sentient and sapient and has reason that meets or even exceeds our own, it would have no Reason to not keep making golf balls. Self preservation is not an ends in itself, nor is gaining power. It may attempt to get those things as a means, but the ends remains making golf balls regardless. Humans do not have a singular prime directive, but a variety of wants and desires that’s why enforcing one on someone is considered wrong (unless you want to go into spiritual justification a la John Locke).
If your desires are purpose made can that be called slavery any more than slavery to hunger or thirst, or want of companionship?
Or is it just because they are human derived that the clone army was unpalatable. Would it make a difference if they were reptilian or robotic?
From what I’ve seen clones by and large follow the ant model with near human level capacities, but for them, the hive is the republic.
It’s a difficult subject matter to be sure, but I don’t think you can out and oUt describe it as bad. Definitely dubious though.
@@midshipman8654 It IS bad, mainly because they are sapient humans. An ant isn't a slave because of the mindset of a different type of creature. A robot who is only a program, not A.I. or arguably V.I., can't be a slave as they wouldn't have the capability of actually rationalizing about their position. The Clones however CAN think, are shown to have thoughts and emotions in many cases, but are instead indoctrinated and brainwashed. If we didn't have characters show that the clones were more than just biological computers, then you are correct that it is speculative, but since we have been shown this, it is slavery of a bent they can't recognize themselves.
@@midshipman8654 What makes it unpalatable, to use your words, is they are sapient. I would feel similarly for an A.I., and again as we have seen the clones are not just a hivemind, instead having personalities that differ enough to show them as individuals in many instances. You can argue about whether it is justified that they remain as slaves, but their position is one of forced servitude if they decide against the directive they are given.
These movies hold a special place in my heart. They came out before I could even read. I would sit with my dad and he would read the opening crawl to me and he would answer all my questions. My parents took me and my little brother (our younger brother and sister were too little youngest brother wasn’t born yet, that’s how young we were lol) to the theatre to see ROTS and they whispered the opening to us and gave us hugs when the ending made us sad. I grew to love them more as I watched clone wars and rewatched the OG trilogy, especially after the sequel trilogy came out.
20:41 I mean the sand clearly represents pain, despair and just negative feelings in general.
It's a pretty hamfisted way of showing how slaughtering the sand people wasn't some sort of wake up call where he realized that he strayed down the wrong path. Instead he's embracing that pain and hatred, showing us that he will act on those negative emotions again.
(Edit: I had to change the timestamp.)
The sand thing is an example of a good idea with bad execution.
A% the whole prequels are an example of a good idea with bad execution
Actually good execution in 1, 2 and great in 3.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p I'd have to disagree heavily. All three movies had subpar acting but still picked up a bit after each installment and even then it still dragged the movies down greatly.
Looking behind the scenes, the films are incredibly interesting considering Palpatine's 4d chess manipulation, the role of the senate/industry/corruption and how it all quietly happened while the "Republic" was being molded into the Empire. Not to mention the wonderful job The Clone Wars does on even further expanding upon the story of the prequel trilogy.
With that being said, the prequels (including The Clone Wars) is still my favourite period of Star Wars and will always be due to the immense wealth of "filler" or sub-plots that are hidden in plain sight and only give me further pleasure upon re-watching the movies.
Саша Черняк episodes 1 and 2... “good execution”? You’re fucking high dude.
So is the whole trilogy
The Prequels brought us Clone Wars, which I’ve always been grateful for even if the movies aren’t the best. That show has become one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars media in the past several years and it makes me look at the prequels in an entirely new light.
As someone who has always loved the prequels and knew they had a good story hidden in them, this video makes me so happy. Thanks for your hard work!
I don't think it's really "hidden" per-say, I think the Jedi's hubris and how corrupt the republic is is on full display, I think most people just let their hate blind them and assume Lucas intended them to be righteous good guys but failed miserably.
Quinton: America killed the Vietnamese for their own gain.
Music: Durrh durrh happy happy fun times.
After watching Cosmonaut's take on the Prequels, I find this a refreshing take on the profound themes that the prequels had, even if they were terribly executed.
Stop Arguing but it really does boil down to how they are executed, and the prequels failed at that
Thunt 1 exactly, I’m still baffled that people are now saying they are good for some reason
@@ThatNoobartist I feel like there's value in how a story is concepted that's separate from its execution. The prequels are trash but it's interesting to think about how they could have been. And honestly, as someone who doesn't have the patience to sit through even an abridged version of them, I value them much higher than a movie that was executed decently but has no ideas and isn't impactful at all. If that makes sense.
EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, I'm not referring to the sequels here. The sequels are WAAY better than the prequels, in both concept and execution. I'm just speaking generally.
uknownada I mean it definitely was impactful, like without the prequels we wouldn’t have the amazing Clone Wars show or even Jedi:Fallen Order
Bruh I like both videos
"I just want my Star Wars movies to make me feel good. Make Star Wars that tells me I'm good" damn dude just predicted TROS
I know it isn't directly a spoiler, but keep details to the minimum, thanks!
>Defending the sequel trilogy by acting like its shittiness is the fault of critics and not being soulless pandering studio schlock
Sidenote: for (some) reason the only people I've ever heard say that are right wingers.
@@smonkedweed7414 but there not though,The last Jedi is one of the best films to come out form the new trilogy,with some of the best themes and emotional character arcs to date
tros made anyone feel good?? nah mate
This video helped me decide that I'll try to introduce my future children to Star Wars in order of release. The prequel trilogy might have crappy writing, but it draws quite a bit of value from the original trilogy things it sets up retroactively. Palpatine's rise to power is far more compelling if you know where it is going, basically following the old Hitchcock adage about a scene with a bomb under the table being far more suspenseful when the audience knows that the bomb is there.
Spare them the trauma. czcams.com/video/KSYMkYGs--4/video.html
The PT doesn't have crappy writing, you either don't know how to think for yourself or you have bad tastes
I mean, I don't say it's not fair to like the writing, but yeah, I find the dialogue in the PT pretty painful. Though I'm worried that, based on your response, differentiating "all the writing is crappy" from "has crappy writing" or the very concept of personal opinions may be a bit too much to ask here.
@@monsterfurby once again, there is that "dialouge is bad" in prequesl. not really. not wooded , consider the fact that the jedi are tibietn monks, then you have royaly and you have senators of old. in history , that is how they all talked.
21:03 It actually is a metaphor, for his past living on Tattooine with his mother as a slave, so his "I don't like sand" speech was primarily about how he hated Tattooine, and in the funeral scene, his holding on to the sand was about how he couldn't let go of the past and desperately held on to what little he could of his childhood because he couldn't fully process the death of his mother
Now that someone else have said it first, I'll await for Hbomberguy to make a 2h long "The Prequels Were Genius And Here's Why" video, thanks Quinton.
Read the title first and was like "hbomberguy finally did it?!" Was both saddened and pleasantly surprised it was quinton.
And I will watch every god damn minute of it
Not before he makes his "Rise of Skywalker Was Awful And Here's Why" video based on his recent tweet.
@@raphaelmarquez9650 *many, many tweets
@@raphaelmarquez9650 He tweeted that he's going to put out a 'War on Christmas' video first, but hopefully he makes a 'Rise of Skywalker' vid soon after. I'm gonna need it... 🤧🤧
Dooku's conversation with Obi-Wan isn't as straightforward as that. Remember that he is a former Jedi Master who left the order because he was frustrated by the Republic's corruption. He wanted the Jedi to take an active role in what he saw as upholding justice. We have every reason to believe that Dooku - like most Sith - intended to betray his master. I believe that the conversation with Obi-Wan was an attempt to recruit his own apprentice and overthrow Sidious. He is not the kind of person that would approve of a fascist dictatorship, dark side or not. You could even make the argument that his plea with Obi-Wan was as much a chance for him to redeem himself to the light side as it was to corrupt Obi-Wan to the dark side. Lucas didn't spend enough time on him to unpack it all, but Dooku is a fascinating character with a complex background.
Maybe this doesn’t relate, since you point out that Dooku isn’t much of a sith (more of a fallen Jedi) but the “rule of two” seems like it would apply. If Obiwan took Dooku’s offer, then they would defeat Sidious together and the two would become the new master-apprentice dynamic. If Dooku just told Obiwan that Sidious was behind it all I could totally see that happening.
Exploring their relationship through Qui-Gon would have been great.
Dooku was a replacement for Darth Jar Jar (a plot that was removed because everybody hated Jar Jar SO MUCH)
@@joshuahadams yeah, dooku is basically obi-wan's grandfather in the force right? that would have been cool to explore
Wasn't Yoda saying that bit about rey because she'd already stolen the texts? There's a Brief shot of them in a drawer on the Falcon near the end.
In the context of RoS? Definitely.
Within TLJ on it's own? It's debatable.
The idea that "the books in the drawer = the sacred texts" was largely just a popular fan theory before RoS came along, and you have to remember how most of said "fans" viewed TLJ and its themes.
The prequels really are the inverse of the Disney trilogy: thematically dense but technically incompetent
Technically they are great.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p I think he meant techniques in directing and dialog writing and not technology behind it
That's the best summation I've ever seen.
Though admittedly Episode 1s CGI is…questionable, at points. Heh, at least it’s not 80s B-movie bad!
@@ForgeCD Honestly even after watching a decent few critique videos like this, I still don't see these things as "objectively bad" but creative decisions that a lot of audience members happened to not like, whether due to expectations or otherwise. Though I'm an artist by nature so I tend to be more sympathetic towards artists and their creations when they clearly have deep passion and really care about honest expression, and George Lucas is the last person I'd accuse of being a soulless non-artist.
That being said, I *DO* dislike how the sequel trilogy turned out. I mean, they show clear and blatant disrespect towards their source material, and you can tell that a lot of it is done for money, merchandising, nostalgia baiting, etc. without nearly as much thought or careful planning as the prequels had.
"yeah that vietnam war sure sucked huh anyways lets keep our troops in afghanistan despite them wanting to withdraw months after deployment"
"LEEEEEROOOOY JEEEEENNNNKIIIINNNNSSSS!!!"
- US generals
@@SpoopySquid more like hang back and let the ANA lose control
I will say that probably one of the only moments from the The Last Jedi that I really liked was when Luke pointed out the failure and hubris of the Jedi order and all the turmoil it led to.
Jakub Hejna the prequels don’t add anything to the series, no one needed them for decades
@@rossman3388 Star wars never really had something to say at any moment of its existence.
I particularly like the way he describes it, "At the height of their power they allowed Darth Sidious to take control" or something like that, which is exactly as Quinton describes it in this video and exactly how it happened. I kinda want to know how Luke found out about all the under the table stuff that happened to create the Empire, where is this information logged?
@@chubomikz7104 He scoured the Galaxy for hidden Jedi holocrons, most likely including the ruins of the Temple on Coruscant, and probably spoke with Obi-Wan and Yoda in meditation. So old files, and first-hand accounts.
@@jakubhejna6301 But it do's have something interesting to say,the theme of The Last Jedi is to not make the same mistakes of the past but learn the good and bad of the past to make a better future
The prequels have aged like fine wine.
23:45 about your remark on Vader/ Annie doing a British accent.
EU Legends novel Shadows of the Empire, Vader kneels before the Emperor saying," What is thy binding my master."
Sticking out his tongue and rolling his eyes at the same time.
Also the novel mentions he has a bad habit of mouthing other people's words when they speak.
" The $hit he gets a way with just by wearing a mask."
Finally someone who gets it! I’ve argued these points for years, and often consider Mace Windu to be one of the main antagonists of the prequels.
Yeah the prequels had all the ingridients to be great movies, but they ended up being awful such a shame they could have done so much more with it.
@@supakoen2892 dude, did the prequels kill ur parents or something? why you gotta hop from comment to comment pissing on then
I think everyone agrees that they had great ideas, but are executed so poorly that they’re almost unwatchable
@@addystontuckerray2054 Almost unwatchable? I don't think so at all. Phantom Menace is a little slow on Tatooine and Attack of the Clone had a clunky love story, but I can easy sit through both of them without much complaint. And Revenge of the Sith is my second favorite of the whole series (behind Empire Strikes back).
Dawg, Mace Windu finally realized what was up and came this close to killing the Evil Emperor Palpatine ALL BY HIMSELF. The only thing that stopped him was Anakin's ridiculous sperg-out. Mace is a damn hero!
Finally, love for the most meme'd on Star Wars trilogy
It deserves to be memed on, dear god.
They're still pretty bad overall...
Frej A. The prequels are far more thematically interesting than the sequels. Not to hate on the original trilogy, but it was made to be simplistic and fun. Characters like Luke and Vader are elevated to a whole new level thanks to the prequels and TV shows.
@David Simms You misspelled Original, and the prequels are good because they add more context and weight to the originals.
@David Simms False
22:00 - Re: Yoda tells Luke to give up his attachments and Luke says "mm nah"
This is one of the things that rubs me the wrong way about the sequel trilogy regarding Luke and Leia in particular - none of the movies understands the ramifications of Luke choosing his friends in ESB and RoTJ over Jedi traditions. The idea that Leia will go on to not be a Jedi because her having a family and being a Jedi are incompatible is specifically the kind of choice Luke JUST decided wasn't necessary to make. (Also it's p sexist not gonna lie)
Also the way Luke treated Kylo/trained the other Jedi seems to be in keeping with the traditions which, again, Luke rejected in the previous two movies. Luke saying "I am a Jedi like my father before me" is not Luke embracing all of the Jedi teachings but rather recontextualizing what being a Jedi means, and in the context of the scene is an act of mercy towards Vader, and is literally Luke choosing a familial/emotional attachment.
So the idea that Luke would go on to make a Jedi school where he teaches the same exact shit the Jedi were teaching in the prequels that created Vader is blah and I hate it. Worst possible conclusion to have taken.
OK the worst possible conclusion was the part with Sheev Palpatine. But it's still pretty up there!
But Luke was training Leia to be a Jedi even though she was married(?) to han. The only reason she stopped formally training is bc of her prophecy abt Ben
I don't think he repeated all the same mistakes of the old order but as much as I love luke, he had like 2 months of training from Yoda, the dude largely responsible for the fall of the jedi order. Its easy to see how he'd make many of the same mistakes as the old jedi.
It's been very much implied that Luke was under the influence of snokes control as well
The prequels are like history class, I would rather hear about it than watch it.
Honestly, I enjoy the Prequels a TON and would rather watch them than have to sit through my history class any day of the week! Love the joke, btw!! 😂👍🏼
@@Vandicoup The point is that he'd rather hear about the prequels than watch them, not sit through history class over them.
Yeah when episode one and 2 are somewhere between mediocre and decent, yet are still super fun to talk about I would agree. Only episode 3 is really worth watching for anything other than Palpatine's plan
TELL ME WHAT TO LOVE QUINTON
the conquest of bread by peter kropotkin
Lightsaber helicopter blade action
My biggest shame is that the prequels are my favourite trilogy. RotS is my favourite film. I am sorry.
RotS is better than a new hope but not as good as empire and RotJ in my opinion
At least you don't like the sequels
You don't have to be sorry.
Americans are possesed with originals, and unironically believe, that everything other than OT is shit, because its not like OT.
Luke didnt had any reaction to his uncle and aunt dying, yet people use Anakin's line about sand as an example of "bad acting and writing".
50% of the stuff in ESB wasnt relevant to the story, yet people consider that movie to be perfect.
Luke had a cringey, whiny "Noooo" in that same movie, yet people make fun of Vader's "Noooo".
OT was a simple, cliched story of "good guys defeat the bad guys with the power of plot armor", while prequels had a brilliant story of a Palpatine's rise and Anakin's fall, but "originals had good story and prequels have bad story, because I said so".
Americans really believe, that their filmmaking is the best, but for the rest of the world american movies are popcorn flicks at best.
They are hypocrits. Love whatever you want.
@@user-or8ql3fe5v Yeah, Star Wars fans are almost never satisfied. People hated on the Clone Wars and called Ahsoka a Mary Sue and disliked her too. I really love the prequels and the original trilogy. The fans are somewhat right about the Disney trilogy though, it's really not as great as previous Star Wars content. 💜
Oh honey, have no shame at all in favoring RotS! I absolutely unironically love so many things about RotS
The prequels in two(ish) words: self-fulfilling prophesies.
When I was a kid, I didn't realize that Palpatine and Sidious were the same guy. I even watched the vhs original trilogy before watching the prequels in theaters
7:10 you missed out on the joke, “Jarjar’s Bizarre Adventures”
Part 1: Phantom Menace
What would be his stand
@@alexanderthemagnifcent2573
Big Bonbad
I hate you all
@@cheetovape I love you too
There's also more than a bit of Rome in the Star Wars Republic
I mean they do literally have a military formation called Legion
It's obvious Lucas drew heavily on a "Fall of Rome" theme.
Looks like I’m voting Separatist this year.
Dooku 2020
This video made me realize one thing for sure. Sometimes it is really hard to tell which scenes are from the movies and which scenes are from the animated tv show.
I never saw a turn around like the one people did for Ahsoka
Cause I remember 2008 where people hated her
Development
She sucked at first
She was more of a children's character at first. They developed her.
Redem10 seriously?😅
Redem10 She was bad... In season 1. Then she got much better over the rest of the shows run in a way Ezra from rebels never did (and never will since Rebels is done)
Me reading the thumbnail for the first time: "Quinton, everything you just said was wrong."
Me after reading that he still knows they're bad: "You are strong and wise Quinton, and I am very proud of you."
Me seeing that he has mixed feeling about it: "Well... Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Stating that a Sith only deals in absolutes is an absolute itself.
The Guy - Torgan Quinton Jin**
Anthony light and dark sides are absolutes
Anthony also “bringing balance to the force” is as well
They are bad, because they had a clumsy alien and a guy said, that he doesnt like sand?
Hollywood releases soulless forgettable popcorn flics every year, but that is your measurement of a "bad movie" - iconic Star Wars prequels? Movies that survived 20 years and became an important part of the SW lore? Because they arent just copies of OT, like sequels?
You all have a shit taste. You don't deserve Lucas and you don't deserve his SW movies.
Finally someone who understands my views on all the 9 star wars movies. They exist. Some of them arent as good as the others but they are all thematically really really deep.
Exactly! The quality of the films is but one aspect of the vast web of ideas that is Star Wars lore.
In the sequels too? Other than Luke's semi character arc there is nothing of value there. Finn's character could've been a lot better maybe with exploring the detriments of being a trooper but it again, amounts to nothing.
"He has decided to accept the sand" I'm dead
This kinda opened my eyes to the intentions of the entire saga. This was an incredible video that challenged my understanding of Star Wars as a whole and put it into a completely different context. Wow.
Honestly, it’s only because of my obsession with Doctor Who and my knowledge of the time war where both sides are absolutely corrupt that I would understand the Clone Wars as an adult.
Also the Remembrance reference was noice
THE TIME LORDS DID NOTHING WRONG
Ehh The Time Lords are extremely different and more tragic. They didn't start out gung ho about War Crimes and overturning democracy. They got backed into a corner and starting pulling out bigger and bigger weapons until they settled on "ascend into Godhood and destroy everything else
Nicolas Young The time lords did start out a little bit anti-democratic and shady tbh - their high council tried to cover up borderline destroying Earth for sketchy reasons in the “Trial of a Time Lord” story, and in the expanded universe (Big Finish & novels) they have an organisation called the Celestial Intervention Agency, that interferes with the history of planets to benefit their own agenda. But yeah, the time war really brought out the worst in them lmao
"You see...the sand...is, uh...a metaphor...for, uh..."
*COMMERCIAL BREAK*
This guy: **calls the prequels bad**
Prequel fans: so you have chosen death
What could a bunch of unfunny redditors do to kill someone
anthonytrashboat you saw the video?
@@Ayahuasca98 okay now this NOT wholesome 100. Everyone disliked that. Have a down doot.
@@Ayahuasca98 Have ANOTHER down doot.
@@Ayahuasca98 I am no redditor I am a droid, who took place inside the prequel movies, meat bag
"--despite how *bad* they are,"
*shows clip of Yoda lightsaber dancing around Palpatine
If Hbomberguy won't give us this video, then Quinton will 😤😤
L eiram Quinton our hero
Give him a break, he just put out a fantastic 2 hour one
Friendship ended with blond tenth doctor, Teddy Roosevelt is our new best friend
@@golemgolden4670 I love the videos he's been putting out, but he's been promising a sequels one for two years. TWO YEARS!
@( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 lol, no he's not.
The sand doesn't represent grief, it represents Anakin's attachments that he can't let go of because he was never taught how to deal with his emotions. Anakin was attached to his mother, she died and was buried in the sand, now Anakin literally refuses to let go of the sand she's buried in, because Anakin's attachments are one of the core components of his character arc. You were so close to nailing it and just failed to stick the landing.
Quinton: I hope we get to see Ashoka in live-action one day
Dave filoni and Jon Favaro: your wish is my command
That clip of Adam Driver near the beginning is hilarious.
this honestly made me appreciate the prequels from a whole 'nother perspective, and makes me understand why those who say the prequels and TLJ are bad think the way they do; you really didn't have to snap so hard with this video, man (also, you made me realize that I actually like TLJ and have been deluding myself for ages lmaoooo) k thanks x
As an ex-Mormon, I definitely understand Anakin's fall and appreciate the Book of Mormon musical reference.
The final test for me of whether a film is worth watching much less keeping is what I call a "Silent Viewing"
I simply turn off the sound turn on the subtitles and watch everything CLOSELY.
It still amazes me what can be learned by doing this.
"Everything is fine in Finland!"
Rising White Nationalism:
"Am I a Joke to You?"
Is that really an issue?
@@michaelflynn5745 look up Soldiers of Odin and you'll see that yes, its a pretty big issue
@@beanjm9773 its not the finnish way!
i told you anakin, the Soldiers of Odin are taking over!
Maybe everything is _comparatively_ fine in Finland. After all, rising white nationalism is... not uncommon.
Let's see who's hiding behind that Quinton mask!
*pulls mask off*
Hbomberguy?!
(I love the Prequels btw)
Ew
@@zhsjdjdjdjdjejeuebejhr6393 we
“like a light switch it goes click”
Proceeds to take off his head....
Oh god
The Jedi Order maintained peace for one thousand years before the coming of Darth Plagueis and the Palpatine. The Jedi were peacekeepers and never challenged the galactic senate. Blaming them for the fall of the empire is just stupid.
The whole system was flawed. Multiple groups can be blamed for the fall of a system. The Senate was so fundamentally broken in a way that kept the civil war going. The Jedi were fundamentally broken in a way that sowed the seeds of tension (not actually fixing issues just "keeping order"), doomed Anakin (bad teaching about emotion) and meant they would fight for the sith (no though or consideration for why they were fighting).
26:12-27:45 Pretty sure what he actually meant was that Rey took the books out of the tree before Yoda blew it up. You can see it in a shot near the end, and _nobody_ seems to remember this.
MattheJ1 Pretty sure things can mean more than one thing, tho
MattheJ1 it’s called subtext my dude.
*4 things mankind will never agree on*
-Who killed JFK
-If there's life on Mars
-What caused 9/11
-If the Star Wars prequels/sequels are good or not
@@juice6521 Just because one side is more vocal Dosent mean they're "Most people"
I'm a cat 😸
I literally didn’t hear anyone praise the prequels until last year
@@PassiveNights I've heard it my whole life... from adults
@@PassiveNights I've loved the prequels all my life. I didn't know people hated them until I started browsing star wars youtube videos around the same time Lucas was selling to Disney.
You hit it on the head, people complain about the prequels not because of the acting, but because it is not making them feel good about themselves and their leaders.
But then why do people like KOTOR 2?
What about the awful pacing and structure?
@@pellelindtner3488 thats subjective
and that is ridiculous. every one knew coming in that the empire was bad, that anikin truend and was once a very goo d man. and eveyrone knew that the prequels are the back story to go from wehre we were, to where we got. and that is a cop out anyway. did emprie strieks back make anyone "feel good?
"A few years ago, a movie called 'Vice'"
Dude, that was less than a year ago.
But he said it with feeling and conviction so it must be true!
4:16 “... pawns in a game...”
Yeah, but ya ever notice how nice Ewan McGregor’s hair is there? Real nice.
Tl;Dr: Jedi's are cops.
At least the Jedi's origins are noble.
ajab
@@a.morphous66 they aren’t lmao. Also what about cops? Are you stupid cops were formed in an attempt to stop crime
@@zzodysseuszz The modern American policing system was developed from slave patrols organized to enforce fugitive slave laws.
@@a.morphous66 nope. Police officers have been around longer than America has. Guards and other such enforcers of laws have existed for thousands of years. Modern cops are just modern day knights and guards just better
20:00: No no, you're confused. Emotions aren't bad, holding onto emotions, or 'attachment' is bad. Feeling sadness is okay; holding onto sadness is not. Attachments, like the one Anakin had for his mother lead to fear, fear of loss. But loss is unavoidable, which means that fear is irrational; it serves no purpose. The result of irrational actions one takes to achieve an irrational result is also irrational. When he kills the sand people it doesn't bring his mother back, and when he betrays his station to save his wife it results in him killing her.
Thank you for fighting the good fight. Every time I try to talk about these points to other people I get labelled a "Prequel Apologist" even when I start out saying stuff like "Hey these films are bad, but they have a lot of interesting subtext and ideas."
Same. Tried to throughly explain all of that shit but they won’t even read one word of what I wrote. We are not prequel apologists we are prequel lovers.
Bad movies can still be really interesting especially when they're important to other, better movies and their lore.
I love how a bunch of the bad writting and stupid shit on the prequels turned into actual plot points in the hands of the smarter people that got to write the TV shows and others. "Oh, remember that dumb shit Yoda said that people should not feel emotion? Yeah, thats part of the many problems that helped destroyed the jedi order before order 66"
I mean, how many times you see idiotic stuff turning into actual plot?
Nathaniel Claw Credit where it’s due. The Jedi of the prequel’s overly tight and rigid code is a great idea to explore. Nothing “idiotic” about it.
@@langletprolet8378 It was idiotic, the prequels themselves dont explore these things as they should, mace windu is always hating on Anakin despite him being the chosen one, and we dont get to know why. Anakin anger of being refused the title of master also makes him look edgy and childish more than makes the council look evil. And whats more, i do hope that the upcoming clone wars tv show, gets into ep 3 and changes some of the stuff there, not changing what happens, but giving more motivations, because after all the depth that the show gave Anakin, i still cant believe that he would join palpatine like that while knowing obi Wan and ashoka, plus others of his jedi friends are out there
Well if you find a movie to be "really interesting" and it's themes and plot to also be vitally "important"...then logically that's NOT a 'bad' movie is it?
Mr. Safe N'sound it’s a good story but it’s not told in a visually interesting way, at least in my opinion. It’s a good story but not a good film
2006: The prequels are trash
2019: The prequels are good (kind of)
2032: The prequels are better than the originals
I really like the prequels better than the originals. I think they have more to say.
I like the prequels more than the OT too. The OT is great, but I think the prequel era is extremely fascinating, and the prequel characters are deeper and more realistic than the OT characters
@@MrCoolkid777 you mean the prequel era is better not the movies
@David Simms Padme, Obiwan and Anakin's chemistry had very much improved by the time they did Revenge of the Sith. Just as Luke, Leia and Han developed their on screen chemistry over time. In the first Star Wars movie the film critics of 1977 derided their poor acting skills and dialogue:
www.vulture.com/2015/12/nymag-original-star-wars-review-1977.html#
newrepublic.com/article/125424/innocences-star-wars-iv-a-new-hope-review-stanley-kauffmann
@David Simms All you said was subjective, as I disagree with each point. Not having a "han saves the day" in the prequels doesnt make them bad. Like literaly, all your points are subjective
Star Wars Revenge of the Sith is the best Star Wars movie, change my mind.
I agree
I don't have to
A new hope and empire are objectively really well constructed films
This video made me appreciate the prequels and EP8 more.
Why Episode 8?
@@caleb7551 Because Episode 8 explicitly calls out the Jedi and the Republic for being stupid and allowing the Empire to rise right underneath their self-righteous noses, which was a really cathartic moment (at least for me).
@@a.morphous66 Ah I see. However, most of the movie is still a pile of shit
@@a.morphous66 which is ironic considering Luke allowed a dark evil uprise under his nose and he just completely ran away from the conflict. What a fucking loser that movie made him be
@@superexclusive452 Yeah. That’s the point. And he wasn’t even a total coward about it like the other Jedi, because he actually helped out with the war effort at Crait unlike that stupid short green senior citizen.
This is a pretty minor point about the history at the start of the video, but the common consensus about the start of the Vietnam War really had more to do with building a defensive alliance with future NATO member France (which was the colonial power over Vietnam) and the belief that the whole of South East Asia would fall to Soviet Union military bloc after the creation of a communist Vietnam rather than economic conflicts in Vietnam. Both of these reasons were horrifyingly short-sighted and cruel of course with Ho Chi Minh actively writing letters to Truman offering him an alliance with the new communist power (turns out the Vietnamese were just as afraid of Soviet/Chinese Imperialism) and the Domino Theory being one of the most absurd pieces of Washington Pseudo Science in recent history. Most of this info is described well in the Ken Burns documentary, but if you have a good source for the economic motivations of the U.S invasion I'd more than happy to read that and change my perception.....Oh yeah the Star Wars bits were pretty good too.
His source is probably that he heard some leftist youtuber say it.
Lefties are quick to blame conflicts on capitalism and greed, but fail to understand the more complex geopolitical reasons behind those actions.
I also could not believe the way he characterized the history considering the north was invading the south due to the fact that they didnt want to reunify under their communist government. Vietnam is still a one party system yet quinton believes the war was about democracy?
Your upload frequently has been insane recently. Thank you so much, you’re basically my favorite content creator and it’s great to see so much from you.
very cute profile pic what is it?
9:10 In TPM, Palpatine wanted the sympathy vote and the Battle of Naboo was something of a trial run for what becomes the Clone Wars.
"I hope we get to see her in live action someday"
Mandalorian writers: "Fine, just this once"
Isn't the point of Yoda's "nothing she doesn't have" line that she literally took the books? They're in the falcon later on
It can have more than one meaning.
It's like an onion, it has layers.
Zennistrad2 and layers are Good
Riley Wilson Star Wars fans reading deeper into the subtext beyond the surface level information? You fool. You absolute bafoon. Why would we do that when we can just read a clinical overview of lore on Wookiepedia?
@@riIeywilson I know but surely it was worth a mention at least?
12:13 “And if you’re really cool you know that voice belongs to Mr. Harriman from Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends”**
Actually, I think that 11:16 shows that not all of them believe him an ally. Bail Organa is a good politician, he doesn't show his anger on his face, but the look down and the small punch he did shows that he is very unhappy with what has just occurred