BMW F80 M3 SINGLE TURBO 8 SPEED *FIRST DRIVE*
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2024
- Checkout Alex's insane F80 build. Its the first F80 M3 in the world to be equiped with a Turbo Lamik and 8hp transmission. With the goal of an 1000whp daily driver that will take a beating reliably, have a clutch pedal and throw down with the best at the local drift days.... I think this is my favourite car ever featured on the channel.
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Wow! F80 owner here, I would KILL to have this conversion! Nice work! Smart gentlemen 🎉 cheers
That purple looks incredible
Considering its off the gun and been covered in work shop dust for 12 months, it does. Can't wait to see it after its been buffed.
Another successful conversion Andrew. The F80 M3 looks great especially in that purple colour. Regardless on what car the 8hp70 is installed into, it tames the beasts down so that they are very streetable but when required can quickly come alive.
Awesome work guys, certainly leading the way with these 8hp swaps 👌🏻
1000whp 8hp f80 would run mid 8's quarter mile. its only a matter of time before the f80 guys figure it out.
Well we've got it worked 99% right now, the path has been laid to the new f80 1/4 record. I really hope Alex gives it a go in this. However with our track regs he will only have one attempt at it.
@@ZeroTo60Tube yall are more than welcome to ship the cars to USA / southern California to be exact and stay at my house. Two quarter mile tracks within an hour of each other and neither will give ya the boot for running no cage if it's not a busy track day.
Getting 1,000hp to the ground will be the challenge. If you get large enough tyres that won't slip, something in the drive train will break. Having said that mid nines are possible. @@ZeroTo60Tube
bone stock e90 suspension will handle 1000whp. the worlds fastest 8.50 quarter mile n54 is bone stock rear end . i have no issues with traction at 950whp with the 8hp. i run on a fully prepped track , trans brake launches at 5k rpm stall. axles sucks but everything else is stout.@@kencooper8636
Battery might need to replace for the code to fully go away, love your guy’s work and I’m happy someone finally made it possible !
Every time you upload makes my week ! Thank you !!
Thanks for watching dude!
Epic build !!!
What a weapon! 🔥
wheel setup specs? looks perfect!
wow, nice work!
Thank you! Cheers!
Those t7r look amazing
Hi Shane, How do you get the needle sweep on start up? I s it an easy job to do?
A Dream car IMHO!
Sweet project ❤
Lots of sweat and work, but it will be worth it!
Yes! Thank you!
Wow. Amazing build. Love the mini cooper s in the background. Does the ecu/tcu blip the throttle on down shifts?
No. However we have done nearly 130 8hp swaps and not bothered with blip. It’s nice, but not needed. The blip is great for down shift crackles on the street and amplifying the experience of the drive. But when setup correctly tcu manages downshift, deceleration torque very well. It’s not the jolt you get with a manual or dct downshift. It manages clutch slip so the rev match isn’t vital for chassis balance.
finally an F80 that doesn't sound like the worst sounding car in the world...sounds brilliant, the manifold, exhaust, turbo and wastegate combo - mint.
I'm currently gathering parts to 8hp swap my turbo E46 330ci. Love all the 8hp content
Nice!!
Let me know wassup im tryna do the same thing! IG?
A part of me wanted to yell "heresy" but this is the step in innovation that we need in order to push the F8X platform out of stagnation. Nobody wants to refine the launch control through bespoke DCT tuning so 8HP it is. Anxious to see the possibilities if this ever catches on in the states. Appreciate the dedication from you guys at Zero to 60 and Turbolamik!
A little birdy mentioned some of the fastest BMWs in the states are about to be rocking the lamik……. The ability to launch on the transbrake is going to take a few tenths of the 1/4 times immediately. Then having full control over the trans logic for the big power cars. It’s going to actually make them competitive for real racing…. Can’t wait to see what happens over the next few years.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Glad to hear that the seeds have been planted 😁. Can't remember if this was discussed in the video but are you guys able to rev out to the factory 7500rpm redline? I've heard that the 8HP will cavitate at 8000rpm which is the reason the G8X only goes to 7200rpm.
We have put 1100hp through a 8hp70 at 9500rpm......... no issues with caviation. I think there is an issue with the higher the RPM the harder it is to clamp the clutches. Just the mass and centrifical forces trying to push the clutch disc together. But so far, they seem incredibley capable.@@user-ki8zf1rp1e
nice car andrew when all the bugs are sorted it will be a real sleeper next vid you should throw the engine pic of my BASKIT KASE on and see if the viewers like it or not? cheers glenn
If you do some youtube vids on the build, ill give it a plug next e92 vid
i didn't film any of this but i might have lined up another e90 and if i get it i will do a start to finish build on YT i kind of wanted to fly under the radar on this one but as soon as i can get my engineer to sign off on it i will upload a drive and review on it cheers glenn@@ZeroTo60Tube
Nice build! :D I actually know of a F8x with 8hp from maybe 2 years ago using OEM TCU, but then you cant use a clutch pedal of course so not as good for drifting.
Ahhhh I did wonder. Do you know the car personally? Would love to see some info on it.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Unfortunately not, I'll try to find where I saw it, but it was some time ago 💩
Sick car, very keen on when you list the BMW clutch kit for the lamik
Very soon! Its working, but it needs some tweaking.,
What an awesome car!! F80 M3 is one I’d love in the garage, but with a 8hp?! Epic.
Have an e36 coupe I have an n54 to go in, the donor car is factory manual and I was stoked about that, untill I saw your videos and realized what I now need to do!! Haha love to see all the content again!
Not twilight purple 😢 still looks wicked tho
I cannot wait to 8hp swap my au wagon
Im mean..... that would make them even better at hitting wheelie bins in industrial estates..... :P
Killer!!
Andrew, do you reckon an untohched "good condition " hp70 will handle 1000hp well? I have one on my b58 at around 36 37 psi it isnt breaking a sweat . Mid to high 800s at the moment .doesnt seem bothered at all so far.
With no clutch pedal, yes i think it would. Especially if you are running some torque reduction on the painful shifts. We have put them through hell and they just cop it.
What wheels are those?
The best looking F80 in qld with the worlds best gearbox, what’s not to love
You know it!
What is the wheel set up?
Wanting to put 8hp into my f10 m5. Would the process be the same? I’m in the UK so I can’t send it to you guys to get it done 😂
Great video again
Hey Ash, similar process. And hell yes! You’ll need to check the bolt pattern different between the n63 8hp70 and your current dct. I think they are the same (not sure tho). If they are it will bolt on and you’ll need to make sure the crank bolt pattern is the same and use a n63 flex plate.
The software side will be done soon!
What rims are they look 👌👌👌
Until you see it in person, you don't understand how much work has gone into this. Hopefully he keeps this one lol.
Couldn’t agree more. Absolutely incredible build.
Since 8hp comes in many chassis, do they have different ratios?
I have a short ratio DCT in my is300 and 7th gear @60 mph I’m pushing 3k rpm. That’s with a 3.2 diff.
Check the wiki page for the different ratios. Howver they dont vary much. With a normal ish size tyre for the is300 and 3.2 diff, youd be at about 1800rpm in 8th with any of the 8hps.
Maybe I missed it. But what donor vehicel did the 8HP70 come from? Was a swap kit used to get it to fit?
f Series 6 cyl diesel rear drive is where the trans comes from. Not a kit no.
Shifts seem quite (maybe too?) aggressive in P3, probably going to make it a handful on shifts just like the F80 dct is on most aggressive mode.
When shane is driving its actually hitting the default RPM limit for each gear (only 6200rpm), but it is nearly max agression shifts. You have a heap of shift options, converter options, then you can adjust further from that point what each option does with the lamik. When its making closer to that 1000hp, the current agression will probably be very nice in p3. It has race frictions in this box, so x amount of clutch pressure is doing more than it would with stock clutches and that will smooth out as it adapts for current power levels.
Best spec f80 on the planet
hi Guys,
could you do a tutorial on how to tune the converter and clutch slip on the lamik. for daily driving and drag racing?
thanks in advance
Yeah, can do. Do you mean converter clutch slip?
Hi again and thanks for the reply.
I'm new to the automatic gearbox stuff. I have helped a few guys setup the lamik to haltech CAN, flatshift, transbrake/launch , etc; as i'm confident with the ecu tuning side of things and the haltech software.
My setup currently in progress is: 2jz gte + n57 8hp70 on a haltech nexus r3 + lamik.
Recently Setting up the CAN to the ecu, i found 2 options that the lamik can send to the haltech:
Gearbox slip
Lock up slip
I asked on the lamik facebook group and was told that those are to measure the slip on gearbox and converter.
There's hardly any info around how those work, how and where to make changes in tunner pro, and what effect making the changes will have.
Hence why I was asking for your help. At the moment you guys are the main if not only source of good information and how to 8hp 😂❤. So any help is much apreciated. I know it takes a lot of time and effort to make content so i understand if is not something that can be done soon.
Also on a side note, please do keep the videos coming as often as they have. Really enjoy them. And might just paint my is300 same colour as this f80 m3😂 if you could be so kind as to share the coloud code. choices choices😂😂
@@nucleart0aster Hey dude, those two options are just outputs to show converter slip and slip on an external display (or i guess you could use it for torque control with the right ecu). The converter slip is caluclated by the difference between engine RPM and input speed sensor on the trans. The clucth slip is the difference between the input speed and output speed sensor. They are both values that go negative on decel. As for the colour, i think its Ferrari Viola Hong Kong.
@@ZeroTo60Tube awesome that's easy enough to understand. thank you so much.
if you ever have the chance, would greatly apreciate a mini tutorial on the tuning possibilities on the Lamik, mainly:
Lockup Settings, clutch slip, launch/trans-brake settings.
cheers guys
Bloody hell, I’d love to see that thing out drifting one day! What an absolute beast of a machine!!
You likely will! Drift the downs i think is its first event.
Hey mateThat is sick! What is needed ecu wise to run single turbo, if you dnt mind me asking?
Just a custome tune. Both MHD and BM3 support single O2 sensors.
Thanks for getting back to me bro you a real one 🤙🏾
The thing is I don’t get why it’s hard to get the gear change shown on the dct cluster but when the cluster is swapped into a 8hp car it shows the gear change. Some to do with coding?
They use an emulator in the m3 cluster swaps. It’s a different canbus message for the auto mode on auto vs auto mode on dct. We’ll have it done shortly.
Out of interest, what oil are you guys running in these transmissions.. ive just purchased a 8hp70 ready for an install
We normally use the Pentrite BMV, which is what is in this car.
Stock DCT clutches? I thought the DCT has a higher ceiling once you upgrade the pack
A dct can be upgraded. But a stock 8hp70 will take more of a beating launch hard than the highest spec dct clutch you can get. Currently.
The BMW dct 1/4 mile record was RK tunes, he was 8 sec but while chasing that over a weekend he went through 3 of the highest spec clutches available at the time.
The record holing 8hp is a low 7 and it was modified done relatively cheaply. The tq converter helps so much for powerful launches.
Vl rb30 8 speed 🤙got me thinking
Any updates on the f80 swap?
Still waiting on some revised firmware from lamik to make the intergration better.....Well require less custom coding work on the chassis side. However its done about 2000klms now. No changes from this video or issues. Just looking forward to a firmware update which will make this easier for everyone.
Built engine and trans specs + who built them would be awesome
Just confirmed.
Built in a back yard shed by the owner.
Machining done at PLR Engines Brendale
Darton sleeves
Fire rings
Cooper head gasket
ARP studs.
Vac Motorsport full box ticked cp pistons and Carrillo rods
Pistons are coated
PLR CNC ported and combustion chamber head
Ferrea values, springs, TI retainers
VAC hardened retainers
Shrick cams
Mate do you know if I could 8speed swap my 4.8is E53?
Yes you can. However, i dont know how or what is involved exactly. I think the n63 8hp trans will bolt to a n62. But dont hold me to that. You will also need to check transfer case fitment. The output shaft length is quite long on the n63 version
👌
MartinvonMama did it months ago with the strongest M4 F82 in the world, 1300+ hp
Thats mega, have you got some info on it? I can find any info online, Only brings up thier M4 with DCT and thier F21 with S55 and 8hp.
Any updates on this epic build?
All the error codes are sorted, everything swap wise is like it came with a 8hp from factory. Just need to turn it up. I will film it when she’s back for a spicy tune.
@@ZeroTo60Tube you've got yourself a new subscriber sir.Great work and great build
Where did he get the 8HP built?
This one was done by HPR.
It does kind of a pause on aggressive shifting it seems
That’s a result of half throttle and the trans rev limiter. In p3 “manual” mode it’s shifting at 6200rpm in this video. Miles too low and the wastegate is closing as the revs lower too much and boost drops below target.
That’s why it doesn’t make that sound when Daniel is revving it out a little more.
Once the power tune is done we will setup all the max shift points properly optimise power getting to the wheels as it goes through the gears.
Is it on air ride?
It is.
Theres an awd one already its gold so I guess second zf swap
Ohhh wow. Would love to see a video of it? Have you got a link?
@@ZeroTo60Tubei tried putting link 3 times not working
CZcams keeps deleting my comment with link so just loom up f80 awd and youll see the bimmerpost page its titled “all wheel drive conversion on f8x success”
I just saw this, can you post it not as a link , or even some key words i can put in to google. Its not showing me anything, so youtube must really not like the link@@FattyMadezOG
My question is why 8 speed auto over a dct ?
I actually like the DCT, I did a DCT conversion in 2021 and hurt that DCT with only 600whp. We have been involved in over 100 8hp swaps now. 8hp will launch faster and do it reliably. The 8hp accelerates faster. The 8hp is strong enough to add a clutch pedal for drifting. Its a stronger transmission, and the extra ratios help get the car down the track faster. Its why BMW ditched the DCT in the M cars. I should add to that, if you have an awd DCT, you can lean on tyre slip, not clutch slip to get them launching quickly. But rear drive where you need to slip the transmission to launch, it just kills those DCT clutches. Sill an awd 8hp will be faster than a awd dct.
Tf😂 ma man using 8hp like a sequential. Beautifull build, love it but weird living in Germany and seing a RHD BMW
What color is it exactly?
Viola Hong Kong
What are the motor specs?
Darton sleeves
Fire rings
Cooper head gasket
ARP studs.
Vac Motorsport full box ticked cp pistons and Carrillo rods
Pistons are coated
PLR CNC ported and combustion chamber head
Ferrea values, springs, TI retainers
VAC hardened retainers
Shrick cams
Did it bolt right in the 8hp
With an adapter yes. However access to the converter bolts is a pain.
I'll take a few
@@ZeroTo60Tubeso you can get to the converter bolts without cutting the s55 block?
shoot an email to 8speed.au@gmail.com however we can only service australian delivery address's no exports.@@TheMajical12
yes, no modifications to the block. you do have to cut a hole for the start in the 8hp.@@Swaggin65
What does it cost to do something like this?
It depends on your location as the cost of the trans can vary so much.
In Australia with a built trans this is around 25k installed.
why not fit a sequential box
Sequentials, while they feel great for aggresive driving they are not good for cruising on a sunday morning, or trying park for that matter. They also were never intended for high mileage use. A sequential requires significant servicing including replacement of dog gears every 3-5000ks. I love sequentials but they have no place in a street car. Not long term. In race mode this will bang through the gears like a sequential, but actually change ratios faster. Its the best of both worlds and they are expected to 100,000ks before anything inside needs replacing.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Wow
Is this e85
Running e85 at the moment, but it is a full flex tune setup with ethanol sensor.
Who makes the 8 speed transmission?
ZF
@@ZeroTo60Tube ...... I'm confused. I contacted ZF and they said they don;t sell 8 speed transmissions, only the BMW dealer can sell them. So what is a "Turbo Lamik". ZF also said that the majority of BMWs have the ZF transmission in them.
@@ZeroTo60Tube ........... so what brand of 8 speed transmission is in that BMW that you said is the first one ever to have an 8 speed transmission????
It is a ZF transmission, made by ZF. That is the brand. You dont buy coca cola from coca cola direct. This is the first f80 to have a 8spd with turbo lamik controller.@@2ndAmendProtector
This is like my e92 but a f80
Didn't block the plate at 0:24 bro.
Ohhh man, how useless of me. Thanks for the heads up.
Why does the F80 need to lose its highly advanced DCT? That transmission is magic.
Not as magic as the 8hp. Which is why the BMW dct is no more. Making this much power, wanting to drift and abuse the car, 8hp will do it much better.
@@ZeroTo60Tube 🥲pouring one out for the DCT. I guess if you’re pushing big power the TC Auto is better. Think I saw an F80 do an 8 something pass with the DCT though. Isn’t that fast enough?! 😂 looking forward to ZERO warning lights on the dash.
You did, it was RK tunes sick build as well. However he had the most gangsta DCT clucth setup in that car and chewed 3 of them in 2 days trying to get that 8 second pass. Dont get me wrong, i like the DCT, im going to one in my car for a little while until i turn the power up again. @@TML34
Whats the cost to bring a standard M4 2015 in to get it up to this point? And when I ask.. I mean APPROX>> NOT HOLDING ANYONE TO THIS $$$ PRICE
Honestly stock to this would be somewhere around $150-200k AUD and no, I’m not kidding. The owner has spent well over 200k to this point, but he did some learning along the way which always costs money. Everything has been telephone numbers from the paintwork, the interior (new front seats were nearly 20k alone after trimming), the engine, the drivetrain, everything has been done with no budget restraint. It really is a mind blowing car. Super proud to be a part of it.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Definitely hear what you are say.. power ain't cheap nor are fairly newish Beamers as well..
But as a learning curve and as a product to sell -its a massive win win really.
Once all the kinks are smoothed out it should be a bigger beast than Ben Hur.. and still smoke 90% of all Porsches out there and that's (Realistically) is the real gold fellas
Yer F U Porsche just saying lol
Gotta hate your rival.. might as well be the anyone German
@@Meatcleaver101 I’m the owner of the car and sold my 991.1 gt3rs to build this as it’s just that much better.
@@AlexWilliams-vi8md - Hi Alex.. Those M4's are just my sweet spot of cars.. Yours is just next level overload.. Looks amazing, sounds amazing.. you must be super happy
@@AlexWilliams-vi8md Alex what's your IG? This build is beyond incredible for the F8X platform
It's gonna be worse with the G80 nut crusher buckets
But crusher buckets….. lolllll
Want this so bad
+1
This a easier swap on a manual m2 s55?
I dont think so. Its possible, but you really need to code the chassis as a DCT so you can gear position on the dash and keep ABS/DSC modules happy. We can umaulate DCT signals to the chassis and engine. The manual has a fequency gear position sensor. Which the TCU can not emulate...... yet @@The2000fast
G80 wars lol
🤣
G80s are yuk. Probably a dumb suggestion. But what about swapping a DME from 340i, because its got a 8hp from factory. So its like a 340i with a s55 swap.
The 340 dme won’t run the s55, to my knowledge…. However soon the lamik will support it fully. Cantcu also if you want to run stock tcu in the trans.
@@ZeroTo60Tube cantcu would be easiest. But with that kind of hp you probably want the lamik. What about a different ecu for engine? Haltech or whatever. Owner seems like he doesn't mind spending money.
Crazy build. But a lot of work and money for "just" an M3. Why not just get an F90 M5, throw in some rods and turbos for 1000hp and be done with great V8 sounds...
I completely agree f90 would be a better street car. It’s this chassis ability to drift at a competitive level that spawned all this madness. The f90 is too heavy.
F80 looks better, handles better, plus the unique factor to keep pushing the chassis is AWESOME
Had a F80 with near 600whp- and I understand the allure, but if you're doing all that - just go G80 X? So many 1000hp rigs out there now? Fk me, I ran cup2s and still had no traction....1000hp?!
But it's so ugly
When you're on the inside you don't care. Plus get black with black grill....@@ATStone
What a breath of fresh air seeing F series instead of the ugly aged E series’s.
Ouch…. Haha
Wow complex but a beautiful sleeper and like you said you can take your girl out and she wont feel like she's in a monster.
What's the owner's instagram because that thing is SICK
Im sure he will share it here if he wants it public.