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- All is fair in love and war, right? People have used many dirty ticks in war throughout history. What should be considered dirty though? Simple History gives examples, and Mr. Terry talks about the events and gives his take on their "dirtiness". As a bonus, Mr. Terry talks about CZcams policies at the end of the video.
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Is there such thing as dirty tricks in war?
Guerilla tactics
If there is such a thing as a dirty trick in war, faking peace is not only dirty but downright evil. Then again, people have always been masters of convincing themselves being the good guys, no matter what.
Yes but in war a country is going to use it obviously
One of my favorite ones is a less direct one where there would be people that ran up to enemy battle lines and tried to ruin morale. The idea of some guy running up and saying "Your leader sucks, your army sucks" before a battle is crazy
Using the same uniforms as your enemy
Been laughing my ass off at the Operation Grief. In my mind I see a platoon of German commandos, all dressed in mismatched uniforms from Russian, British and American soldiers and obvious repainted German vehicles approaching an American patrol somewhere in Belgium and asking in a heavy German accent: "Gutentag mein Amerikanische brothers. Do you know which way we need to go to get to Antwerp?" 😂
You watched to much monty python ...which is a good thing btw 🤣
I would say the dirtiest trick I can think of was when Olga of Kiev sent the flaming pigeons to destroy a city.
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If I'm not mistaking the Americans did something similar to japan, by dropping shells filled with bats with incindary packages on them over the Island.
@bulldowozer5858
No, they planned to, then they realised that they'd only done low-altitude tests and the bats would freeze to death en-route in the bay of a B-29.
What?
Didn't they have it coming? Not sure if it's technically dirty if it's deserved or you start something with someone and they retaliate.
The ammo trick worked for a little bit. The VC started weighing rounds and discarding rounds that were not perfect. So it had a limited run.
Sometimes the old sabotaged rounds turn up today, keep in mind how much ammo was made for the war so not all of it was used.
They didn't have time to weigh the rounds besides the the tampered with rounded weighed the same as the standard rounds.
Just ask Kentucky Ballistics
@@jaceandjace1171 kentucky ballistics didn't have a tampered round, he had an old round that was already more powerful than usual
Incorrect. The round was probably reloaded with the wrong powder.@@thefanification
The false surrender thing is not only dirty, but also incredibly stupid. Not only will no one trust you in the future, making your life more difficult and the war more bloody, but the enemy may no longer trust other leaders in your army, and future enemies will distrust your nation for past duplicity. You harm not only yourself but also your country and colleagues for years to come, all for one battle.
All in all, the best example I've ever seen of someone who is good at tactics but god-awful at strategy.
This reminds me of Japanese soldiers in WWII. Allied forces no longer trusted that wounded or surrendering enemies were sincere & killed them. It's all a psychological tactic to get your own forces not to surrender. Get them to violate surrender rules & commit atrocities, then if they think about surrendering, they know they'll just be shot anyway or worse so you may as well die fighting.
I think tampering with ammunition would be a lot more effective than you think. Its more of a psychological warfare thing.
Imagine being in a battle and seeing the gun of one of your friends explode in his hands, you would think "what happened? Is my gun going to explode?".
And you have to remember that to look at them they are identical. Or suppose it is 10-15 rounds into a belt/magazine that is handed to you. The fighter must have faith in their weapons, if you can damage that trust moral can drop drastically.
Also one now must imagine this with every new cache that arrives
4:15 externally the rounds were identical. The supercharged rounds used real AK casings and projectiles, but replaced the gunpowder with a much more powerful explosive. Impossible to tell the difference without doing a fairly detailed check. Definitely more detailed than a Viet Cong fighter is going to do when grabbing handfuls of bullets from a crate to fill magazines before an operation.
When the Soviet's were in Afghanistan the Soviet soldiers would sell AK rounds onto the Afghan black market that would eventually get to the Mujahaden. The Russian soldiers took to boiling the rounds before selling them which partially broke down the gun powder and made the rounds underpowered, meaning they wouldn't reach the Soviet troops when the Mujahaden used the boiled rounds.
There are still cases of tainted ammo causing weapons issues today from project eldest son.
Kindly taking away your nuclear arsenal and in return pledging never to invade you goes pretty high on my list, to be honest.
If you're looking for more detail about the exploits of the MACV-SOG, there's so much videos about them online now. They get extracted my straps sometimes when things get hot. I think there's even recording of the radio transmission of a prairie fire (Recon Team are in massive danger).
You should take a look at South Africa wars. There was a laat of dirty tricks during the wars. Please take a look.
As a Boer I might sound biased, but if you look at how many British soldiers were lost as apposed to South African soldiers, it really seemed like we were kicking their asses until they did the Hitler thing
@@karoovanderwesthuizen8321 i dont think you sound biased you guys were kinda whopping their asses quite severly..... well until they did the hitler thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Mr. Terry I have a teacher question. Do u create ur own courses?? Or does the school tell u what to teach?? Or is it a mixture of both?? I hope u see this and answer it!! Thanks in advance!!!
P.S. I LOVE UR CONTENT
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the other side might call it dirty. but when it comes to war anything goes.
There are lines where both sides will say it is dirty. Except for the people that gave the command and those that followed them willingly. As example I doubt that there are many Americans that wouldn't find it dirty and abhorrent that the US bombed intentionally civilians with Napalm. Especially once they see what Napalm does to people. Same reason why the Russian government doesn't talk about what the red army did on their way to Berlin. Once you cross the line in war where you target civilians you won't even have your own people on your side anymore. So, no not everything goes in war.
War is the worst product of mankind. Besmudging it further by making it even more brutal than it already is makes war not only needless - it makes it disgraceful. There is no such thing as honour in war, but virtue is a personal mission everyone can achieve.
But war produces rapid technological progress in a short timeframe but yes, no honour in war only the winners and the losers.
War is a last resort if no one can back off
The Tibet scenario is easily the dirtiest trick mentioned in the video. The British force was already at a massive adventure, having modern weapons, let alone better training in comparison to the Tibetan forces.
Also, for the Iraq and Iran bit, if they did use the bodies of the fallen as roads, that could count as a war crime.
As far as how well the sabotaged rounds blended it, I hear even today people occasionally find some in ammo from shady sources, the painful way. A lot of leftover ammo from that war, like most wars, ended up getting scavenged and sold, and it's not like the war scavengers and shady arms dealers weighed the rounds to find the bad ones first.
Using animals as shields is definitely no. 1. 2 is Tibet. Others are harder to rank.
The dirtiest of trojan horses is the most disgusting dirty war trick
12:00 this is exactly why I think Casus Belli in the Civilization game series is so silly.
Like why do I have to have a legitimate reason for war to reduce grievances, when historically countries just made random crap up literally all the time. And usually every other country responded with either: 🤷♂️ or 🤨
I think the only sure way to tell if the ammunition was tampered with was to weigh it.
Which is nearly impossible. Millions of soldiers. Billions of rounds.
Not sure it's the right niche but if anyone's interested in brutally hard-core military historical expertise I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos series and the tactics playlist especially regarding this vide's topic
There was no way to differentiate ammo that was tampered with, they weighted the same, they looked the same. Increasing camber pressure was done not by increasing the amount of powder (weight) but changing the formulation of the propellent. The US military would empty the casing, and refill them with a high pressure explosive and inert material so the rounds would be the proper weight.
There's still some tainted rounds from Project eldest son you're still floating around in different parts of the world
There was a video on CZcams of somebody firing an AK-47 - it actually exploded in his hand after a short burst. He was lucky though, escaping only with ash on his hand.
I love your videos and I always wish I had an awesome history teacher like you. I have a video request. Could you make a video about the history of wars? Such as what’s happening now in other country’s and throughout the years what led up to this point
“It’s only a war crime, the first time!” -The Fat Electrician
Rather the other way around. You cannot forbid what no one has thought of before, so the first time is free. Only afterwards the Internation Court Justice in Den Haag might call any future use of this weapon/tactic etc a war crime. Mind you, without any consequences to the USA, China or Russia, who don't recognise the ICJ anyways....
@@jhdix6731
Well, counterpoint, you can think of something before someone does it.
It is only a war crime if you allow it to be a war crime. Strong believer in might makes right ;)
@@CruelestChris Sure, but to have it recognised as a warcrime and castigated internationally, it's much more convincing if people have seen the results at least once....
Honestly a lot of these were more savage and sadistic than dirty. The only one that I considered dirty was the British one in Tibet. Once you are mutually committed to war, there is very little that I find dirty. Faking surrender or peace with someone that you aren't actually at war with, or lying about an event simply to attempt to justify an unjust invasion and manipulate others to agree with you in order to attack someone are dirty.
16:57 There is a distinct difference in how Europeans and Americans use cutlery. While both hold the fork in the left hand during cutting, Europeans continue with the fork in the left hand to bring the food to their mouths whereas Americans swith it to the right hand. Also, Americans hold the fork with the curved side down while Europeans use it curved side up. Another difference is in smoking cigars: Europeans remove the labels immediately so people smoking cheaper cigars won't feel belittled while Americans leave them on so as to not risk damaging the wrapper leaf.
I’m an American and I keep the fork in my left hand if I’m actively cutting. If I cut it all before hand I’ll keep the fork in my right
They're Still finding those tainted rounds to this day. Alot of the AK ammo made its way to the middle east and Afghanistan and Africa. They all use AK's and ammo that are decades old.
Because my gun takes 7.62x39 I have to be wary and be sure my ammo doesn't come from vietnam or neighboring countries. These rounds will blow up your gun in your hands.
For the Germans pretending to be Americans I’m just picturing that one scene from Saving Private Ryan.
“Steamboat Willy, hot dogs ! . . . I SAY CANT YOU SEE ?? I say can you see? I say can you see . . . “
I think the worst kind of "trick" you can employ in a war is everything where you put your own or even worse, a neutral/different nations civilians in the path of an enemy attack. If your enemy doesn't attack them you will gain a strategic advantage. If they attack they will commit a war crime. An example I can think of is transport of weapons in civilian ships, eg the Lusitania. Or attacking in cities disguised as civilians.
There are very few things that I consider "dirty" in a mutually committed war, but the German unrestricted submarine warfare, deliberate mixing of war supplies/soldiers and civilians as you highlight (ie human shields or trying to prevent your opponent from attacking a military target by deliberately hiding it behind civilians), the naval blockade, or refusing to accept a German surrender until November 11th in order to weaken Germany further to get better terms would all qualify.
I recently heard the American CIA referred to as "The Department of Dirty Tricks" 🤣 Great video! Keep up your good work.
One question I've had for a bit. The arcade machine on the left is NBA Jam, the one on the right is Ninja Turtles. What's the one behind you in the videos?
Mr Terry History, do you know about when the Axis-occupied Free State of Croatia did horrible things to the ethnic Serbs there (e.g.: turning them into soap via body fat, making the Serb forcefully eat other ethnic Serb parts like a cannibal, etc.) It is an extremely gruesome topic. I am just wondering if you did.
That Chris Cain, the original video's voice-over artist, always reminded me of Casey Kasem from radio and Scooby-Doo (Shaggy).
The AK is also very unreliable, it's only popular because it's easy to fix in the field. But it is not reliable.
In WWII a British diplomat knowingly was wiretapped by his Latin American hosts, and made up a tale of an approaching British Navy squadron. He knew the info would be handed over to the Germans, which lead to a German ship captain sheltering there to scuttle his relatively new battle cruiser the Graf Spee, rather than risk sinking or capture.
I've seen videos from the middle east that are probably those tainted rounds in action, those rounds made it pretty far out, and there are thoughts they are still being used.
Watching the movie "The Battle of the Bulge" the SS had a company that would disguise themselves as US Army Military Police. Their objective was not only to confuse and redirect the Allies, but to seize a gasoline depot. Their panzers were low on fuel and were unable to get supplies from Berlin. The 1965 movie was mostly fictional -- it was filmed in Spain with no snow lol -- but hey, it could have happened.
Granted the source for this is a verbal story I heard. So I know its a good story not sure how real it is.
A detachment of SS troops disguised as Americans approached a French check point on foot, they knew the correct sign and counter sign and called it out in English. The French opened fire on them. The Germans called out in English, and in French to stop firing they were friendlies. The French continued to engage them until they surrendered. The surviving Germans asked the French soldiers how they knew they weren't Americans?
The French replied you were on foot, the Americans drive everywhere.
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I have heard the sign and countersign on D-Day being "thunder" and "flash" was because they're words where a German accent will show up easily.
The one in the marshes didn't really seem like a dirty tactic more like a solution to a deadly problem up until the using bodies as roads part it actually seems pretty normal.
They should have WANTED the rounds to be found if they looked the same. That way, the enemy would either assume that all the ammo is bad, or be too afraid to use it, fearing that they would be blown up, too, and rendering the rest of the ammo useless!
I didn't know there was marshes in Iraq. I thought it was mostly desert.
The Fertile Crescent. The breadbasket of civilization!
Kentucky Ballistics nearly died from a breach failure while shooting an anti tank .50 cal SLAP round. It's suspected that it was possibly spiked ammo that made its way into the civilian market somehow. 7.92mm Turk surplus ammo is infamous for destroying bolt actions and it's been suspected that "spam cans" of Turk ammo was actually peppered with spiked ammo that never found it's way to the Middle East during the Cold war.
As for the Persian one, I wonder if this would have worked in later conflicts? If Muslim troops had carried Crucifixes into battle, would it have made an impact on a Crusader army? (Sometimes a few seconds of confusion on enemy side can be enough to get your bowmen in range and release the first volley before they can).
What would be the equivalent on modern battlefield? Maybe Air-dropping Money on a battlefield?
Fair fights are for suckers, or the French.
C'est la vie 🤣
Mr. Terry, u make history fun and I bet ur students LOVE it and constantly get As and Bs. Am i right??
The sabotaged ammunition from eldest son can still be found today even here in the us.
That first one with the ammo was used in The Walking Dead.
5:23 Target of opportunity, bud. Not part of a strategy, just easier to put your fingers in a pie you happen to come across as opposed to just letting it go.
The last one i think counts as Psychological Warfare.
CEO of tricks here, this was some dirty stuff!
whatever gives victory is worth it but certain things are truly horrible.
All is fair in war unless both sides have come to an agreement on specific limitations.
People will always use dirty tricks in war
Punji pits are literally dirty. They smeared excrement on the bamboo.
They don't say about fake Zippo. Many Zippo during the Vietnam War had been filled with an explosion in it. The Viet Cong smuggle it to shops in Hue or Da Nang.
I don't know about dirty, but the tactic the Persians used was pretty ____ed up.
As a Canadian veteran I can say that yes dirty tricks are a popular way to fight. I had my rifle zeroed to shoot the enemy in the ass. Yes I had that much of a sense of humour, to shoot him in the ass instead of the head every time.
You should see scariest sounds in war
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your planning sucked.
The dirty trick of war was the CZcams algorithm. Seriously, though, it's insane that they still use that system. The level of control it has above humans is terrible. One of the content creators I follow had his video taken down for language, then reviewed and reinstated. Then the algorithm overruled the human and took it down again. Then it was reinstated again. Then the algorithm took it down yet again for adult imagery (this was a video about the NES game Megaman 2) after 2 human reviews. And they stopped helping him. He finally deleted the video and re-uploaded it with a slight edit and it went through ok.
In war there is no such thing as a dirty trick; only a trick you did not think of first.
The orange chemical/agent is much more dirty than the bobby ammo
My Dad was in Nam 68-69 he's a Gun Guy there is only 1 gun He won't touch and That's the AK-47 and it's Primarily because of the tactic of sabotaging ammo. He claimed more than once he would see dead NVA soldiers with Backblast Injuries due to the weapons going off in Their faces.
The "popularity" of the ak is based on price, not desirability, they are stamped, not machined!!!
Meow meow take this personal now.
AKs and AK patterned guns, as well as knock offs have been been made in nearly every country and have wildly different quality. Even within a country making AKs, quality from factory to factory is quite varied. Most of the soviet bloc and Chinese AKs were crappy with little quality control, which is the strength of a weapon made with loose tolerances at its heart. This was not accidental.
The AK wasn't a reliable weapon so much as it was a weapon tolerant to unreliable, cheap manufacturing with little QA and loose tolerances, relatively speaking.
As an analogy, I'd prefer to fly on a plane that has 3 engines and can fly on one than a plane with a dozen engines requiring 3 work long enough to get you to your destination. Especially when, "what happens if we can't keep 3 going?" Is simply, "we have more planes and more people to replace it and you; they're cheap to make you know! And since we scaled back from 15 engines, we can build more faster with only a bit more failure rate!"
The Cheque AKs and European AKs were pretty decent, but pricy. You see a lot of them not because they were great, but because the tooling was cheap and easy since they used stamped components and with this simple and cheap manufacturing process they were cranked out by the shit tonne. Good AKs these days run the same price as a comparative AR platform, but both take advantage of modern materials and computer aided design. You should watch more Brandon Herarra, AKA, The AK Guy - he runs an AK factory. You reacted to him last week or so concerning nuking North Carolina - the original home state of his AK factory. Fascinating history that weapon / platform has.
Anyways, yeah, a Chinese AK in the 60s built in the 40s using whatever 7.62 ammo, of unknown age and origin (they weren't exactly in control of their supply chain then and there) having a catastrophic failure probably wasn't nearly as surprising as having it happen to an American M4 or M16 for a variety of reasons.
The dirtiest trick ever was to convince people gods existed
All of this pales in comparison to Olga of Kiew, later beatified by the catholic church, who according to legend demanded carrier pidgeons from each household of a surrendering town as 'tribute' only to bind burning materials to those pidgeons and release them back into the town to burn it down completely.
Hungary's history has a lot of dirty tactics(not hungary the enemies of hungary used dirty tactics).
The OG dirtiest trick, the Trojan Horse?
Alexander conquered till punjab then returned home
He passed the Hindu Kush mountains and arrived in the Gunga plateau
As a Canadian…does anyone want some corned beef?
Yeah and it's not just history content creators, but others as well! Ion TV, electricians (electronics and otherwise) and others are getting demonetized and things! Even game content creators as well!
As far as dirty things done during war… i think the worse was the English and tibetan incident!
We had taliban trying to disguise themselves as locals that worked on the airfield in Kandahar, I was asked what's the capital of Vermont? I said Mt pilliar and the young private seemed unsure of my answer. I'm Canadian, he didn't know the answer to the question he asked. Lol
Montpellier, from another Canadian.
I think all's fair in war even if you consider something as dirty or underhanded. The point being you have to do everything in your power to win and the fastest way to achieve that is definitely the most practical. If you look at the use of the Atomic bombs for example, then that is probably the most underhanded way I could think of in Modern History. Before MAD was even a concept, you only had two of these bad boys in the whole world in existence. There's absolutely no way for Japanese or any other country, for that matter, to create some sort of fair playing ground against Little Boy and Fat Man. It was practical to use it, however, as it probably did save more American lives and greatly reduced the amount of time it would've taken to end WWII. I think it's a dirty tactic but it is practical and efficient and that's what matters at the end.
This reminds me of two videos by the man, the legend, the connoisseur of the color beige - Londybeige.
His video about the origins of SAS, and about examples of British war trickery.
It would be cool if Mr Terry reacted to that.
Perhaps exploiting situations or improvising to overcome difficult situations, during conflict, isn't really a big concern. The actions of the British forces, going into Tibet, were what we would now call a war crime. To proffer disarmament for peaceful negotiations, then literally execute those who disarmed in good faith, crosses the line. Sadly, that wasn't the only time such 'tactics' were implemented by a government force.
The dirty tricks that come to my mind are the smallpox blankets and the use of balloons in trench warfare, trying to make soldiers look up and be targets for snipers. I seem to recall there was also some idea to strap combustible materials to bats so that they would burn down the buildings they roosted in, or training pigeons to direct missiles toward targets before thermal guidance systems.
In terms of ranking dirtiness (and not necessarily representative of effectiveness) I would probably say, from least to worst: flanking, distraction, espionage, attrition, sabotage, bio/chemical warfare, cultural/religious extortion, and faking surrender or peace.
Smallpox blankets didn't work, by all accounts, in part because it's not an effective method of transmission and in the main because the attacking tribe already had smallpox.
Neither did the bats, initial testing was positive and then they realised they'd freeze to death during transport because a B-29 flew so much higher than the bombers they'd used for testing.
I guess they included more modern history stuff as it is well documented, but most of these were not that special, just regular warfare tricks
All's fair in love and war.
I find perfidy hilarious.
Was it the British in WW2 that were somehow putting rats with explosives implanted in them on German ships so they would be thrown into the furnace and blow up? Maybe fat electrician made that video I’m not sure but you should react to his dirty trick video he is the history goat right now
No, they put them in the coal tenders of locomotives. Not many WW2 ships still running on coal.
I'm good with a death penalty for hurting a pet. The most pain the better
Contact Nebula. They are a distribution company owned by content creators. Sam from Wendover Productions is one of the owners.
Eldest Son rounds are identical externally, and apparently they're still turning up in conflict zones to this day.
Kentucky Ballistics can attest to this!
Don't forget to put a thumb in it.
Sam O Nella uploaded on his vlogs channel
29:23 its funny to us today, but throughout most of human history, religion, superstition, and omens played a huge role in daily life. Entire ancient military campaigns were based on "signs from the gods". So blasphemy was taken much more seriously, especially to a very pious society such as the egyptians. Not everything was Realpolitik
i feel like most germans during ww2 would know what the us capital is
23:30 this sounds fake. I'd like an EE to spec out how many generators and transformers you'd need to electrify a significant part of the marsh
Someone asks me who’s the nation that went to war with iraq.
Me: iran
Them: I mean yeah I would too if iraq invaded me but who did they fight
Me: iran
Them: no I’m saying which nation did they fight
Me : iran
Them:….imma go ask someone else
Them hey guy I need help who did Iraq go to war with
Other guy: iran
Them: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Someone asks: What’s the dirtiest tactic in warfare
Me: British museum levels of dirty
Them: oh man that is dirty
There's only one Rule in war Win
It's a shame that a lot of what you say when the video is playing can't be heard. :(
So not sure how you can talk about dirty tactics in Vietnam and not mention agent orange, that stuff was even bad for our soldiers.
Lmfao dirty tricks 🤦🏻♂️ In war there is no substitute for victory so if that means the complete annihilation of a people, the utter destruction of a place or both so be it. Every civilian that’s left alive could be or beget a potential fighter, every field that still has grain or livestock could feed said fighters and every structure left upright can hide them. In war there are only two options surrender or die. Only games have rules and last I checked war isn’t a game unless it’s a movie starring Matthew Broderick.
Remember, you’re not guilty of war crimes when you’re the winner
Also, you have to lose the war before your new tactics used in the said war become war crimes (meaning it was fine using them during the war, but now that you lost, you're a war criminal).
Untrue, actually. There have been war crimes trials against winning nations. Indeed, even WW2 Germany was planning to prosecute the field commander of Das Reich SS Panzer Division for the massacre at Oradour-sur-Glane before he was killed during the D-Day landings.
14:10
Isn't that the French war flag?
War is War bro get it. There is no such thing as dirty tricks. There is only win or loose if you're a soldier as that means life or death for us. Whether we come home or not. Get your head around the concept. Its not your "Call of duty" game.