Forgive Me for I Have Senn'd - A Comparison of Sennheiser HD600, 6XX, 660 S, 58X, 800, 800 S
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2022
- An overview of popular Sennheiser open-back dynamic-driver headphones, the HD600, HD6XX, HD660 S, HD800, HD800 S, HD58X Jubilee.
Links to my reviews of each:
HD58X: • MassDrop + Sennheiser ...
HD600: • Sennheiser HD600 (New ...
HD6XX: • Massdrop + Sennheiser ...
HD660 S: www.head-fi.org/showcase/senn...
HD800: • Sennheiser HD800s & HD...
HD800S: • Sennheiser HD800s & HD...
Beyerdynamic DT880 review: • Beyerdynamic DT880 600...
Channel Intro: • Channel Introduction
My Hearing Quirks: • WaveTheory's Hearing Q...
Great analysis, thanks for the video.
wow what a huge comp episode.. just picked up a used set of HD800S and they are quite fantastic for the the price point I got them at. Very comfortable and I find I can listen all day long.
What price are in the used market, im looking for one (HD800s)
they are fakes
Excellent review. Kudos for saying a lot in a few words. You earned a new subscriber.
Great videos, man. I’m a huge fan. Definitely the comparisons, along with MidFi Guy, that everyone is looking for in this hobby.
amazing review, thank you very much Sir
First, thank you for the huge comparison. Been wondering what the differences were.
You're the fckin best reviewer out there. None others can't compete really. I'm sorry to ask for more but i hope so much you'll be able to review the new Hifiman Ananda Nano and maybe Arya Organic too in the future, anyway ty so much for ur amazing work here !
Used the 600 for more than 10 years with a slightly warm sounding Sugden Headmaster amp. It sounded completely natural on orchestral music, with deep bass in the sense of clearly hearing contrabass instruments in a hall acoustic and high violins and piccolo are clear. What it lacks is that , in. My opinion, forced bass like in a nightclub, and could ideally have more punch for rock and dance.
Great vid thanks. I bought my 660s around 4 years ago and at the time the 6xx were over the top priced compared to here in NZ (the 660s were about the same price retail after currency and postage). The 600 was the old version and didn't sound great. I wanted a headphone that would be powered by my iPhone when needed. After listening in store I was unimpressed. At the time people were saying the ifi Nano black was great so I went for that so I had possibility of portability. Big mistake. This product was completely underwhelming and the iPhone or direct from my laptop actually sounded better. Just got an smsl 6 stack. All of a sudden the 660 has Bass... now enjoying them but got some GAS and looking for new headphones.... your channel helps on one hand and makes me green on the other ... great stuff, keep it up
ps. my hearing isn't as good as yours having had 3 operations (2 on the left one on the right) ear plus am over 50 but I know what I like.
660S are definitely the best in the 600 series
HD600/800S with an external subwoofer is endgame. 🌶
Pretty sure any of the earspeakers + subwoofer combos destroy this
Nice. But u miss 3 things : susvara , sr009 stax, ad5000x ath. And soon Victor headphones.
What subwofer ee talk about? Mixing bass on eq?
Maybe a bass-shaker device stuck in the human anatomical rear port would do!! Fer bass ya can feel!!
Or maybe like use a good eq software
Excellent review. I still have the HD 600 in my HP stable. Can't bring myself to sell it. Ananda SM review incoming soon?
Great title! :)
Subbed. I love my 12 yr old HD600's for sure. I am a guy that loves bass fwd but as you said I love the midrange and the vocal clarity these bring. IYO does the HD6XX have slightly more bass presence is it worth the purchase? I do not want to lose the clarity I have with the 600's
PS I use a chinese tube amp. Forgot the name.
Back when the original 660s came out people speculated that Sennheiser had taken the 700 driver and put it in a 600 series style chassis. I believe direct comparison showed that the drivers weren't exactly the same, but very similar.
I will watch in full after my A.M. appts, but OMG, that pun!
Can you make a video on pad rolling on all the 600 series as these pads wear out and needs to be replaced frequently?
Thanks. Good, detailed review of some of the finer points/differences. I agree re the
Beyer 880/600, even more so now that I have the Bifrost! Any suggestions for the 600 timbre with the 800s separation and SS for my classical/jazz vocal use? (Future thinking here.) 😉
Well...there really is nothing quite like the 600 or 650 out there, unfortunately. But, I think you'll get a lot of what you're asking for by using your BF2 and putting a Monolith Liquid Platinum and HiFiMan Arya SE downstream from it. BF2 + MLP + Edition X V2 (which Arya SE is tuned very similarly to) was the combo that killed any sense of restraint I thought I still had in this hobby. A big, warm, punchy, detailed sound with great timbre and excellent spatial presentation. You've been warned ;p
@@wavetheorysound Thanks...I think,lol.
@@wavetheorysound get a LYR ++ downsteam. With a Tung-sol 6sn7GTB , it will be warmer than the monolith LP.
I bought the HIFIMAN SUNDARAS & they sound awesome. I use them with the IFI DAC2 AMP
I like bass and I still love my HD6XX (paired with a Little Dot MKII)
what do yo think about separation in Dt 880 250 ohms vs Dt 880 600 ohms? thanks i have the 250 ohms version and I want to know if it is worth scaling to the 600 version
I just got the fiio K7 amp don't know if this is a dumb question because I'm new to this stuff but is there a tube amp that would be better for about $200? I have the HD660S
I am very interested in Your thoughts about the impact of ZMF pads on HD 600 an HD 6XX. Is there a chance for it?
Need a HD558 review! Maybe gaming headset reviews too like Game Ones vs 38X
The HD 558 is the same as the PC38X, they use the same drivers. I had them and you are much better off with the HD 560 S.
Do you recomend a HD800s with a THX 789 amp?
I loved the first good pair of headphones even for the music I listen to which is late 80s and 90s metal and that was the Philips Fidelio X2 and I used them for years until I broke them. Then people recommended Grado SR80e for metal and with any EQ or DAC they were way too fatiguing to me. Then I bought HD 600 and loved them and eventually bought the 58x because I got them for very cheap and actually prefer them still to this day prefer them to the HD 600 even with DACs and different EQ and even flat. Then I bought the Hifiman 400ES and they are OK but I still like my 58x the most. Maybe I like more of a "fun" factor. I'm not sure if I should buy the 6XX. I listen to heavy/power/prog metal from the late 80s and 90s like Savatage Crimson Glory Fates Warning ect. Some people recommended DT 880 and DT 990 but I'm not sure if that is the signature I would want.
Wow. This is the best headphone comparison video I have ever watched, and I’ve been watching a boatload over the last several months. The explanations of the differences are so in-depth and in plain English. Just excellent. Now I have a renewed respect for my 600 (and recently purchased 6xx).
Any thoughts on the 580?
Saying that 660S sound similar to 58X is Wrongi n my opinion, HD 660s Imaging , Separation, Speed, Timbre , Naturality is waaay better . The only common is a bit similar sound signature .
The 660s is currently £259 in the sale on Sennheiser's store so I jumped on it at that price. It'll be my first Sennheiser. I currently have the Sundaras (which I like) and the Grado SR325x (which I love with the Geekria G pads).
Is the Sundara better at anything than Grado 325x? I have Grado 325is and I love them. Thought about getting Subdara at some point but I don’t really see the need of it.
@@ElenaBrasov47 Detachable cable and . . . no, that's all I can think of 😅 I wanted to try a planar headphone, and they are good, but yeah, I love the Grados, especially with those pads.
That pun was the reason I clicked on your video FYI XD
600 sounds more refined like a studio, 660 sounds more live like a chamber stage among performers, 650 sounds more cooked like at a concert stage, 800 sounds more splendid like at a concert hall
And the he60/hev 70?
When's the HIFIMAN Ananda stealth magnet edition review coming actually AT r70x has a 470 ohm impedance and the AT ADX5K has 420 friendly ohms and I love my Active Nose canceling
curious if you can eq a 6xx to sound just like a 600 on peace eq
You certainly can. I did this on my 660s.
Can the 660S be run off a dap? 200-230mW specifically (Sony ZX-507 and the L&P W2 are my sources)
660s literally run on anything. From my iPhone, they only need one notch above 50% volume to be loud enough.
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Hi..I’ve got 650’s…but am thinking of the AUDEZE LCD X….as an upgrade..what’s your view 😋
They're very different, but not really an upgrade. I wouldn't recomment LCD-X to audiophiles, it's very much for studio use.
I think you under value how much someone might like the HD58x as a entry point purely for the Sennheiser sound. Hifiman might out value it in terms of performance to money but I for one don't like the sound of them compared to Sennheiser. For me the 58x is great, I got it on sale for 40% off so it was a steal and it really doesn't need an amp unless you plan on using it on portable devices. My macbook power it fine, loud is at 60% volume for me. If I amp it even with a cheap amp loud is at 30% and I don't notice much of a difference in sound besides a slightly wider soundstage and a more clean high end but only on tracks that demand that level of detail in the high end.
For me they cover 99% of my needs for half the price of anything else close to them and if they break I don't care as much because they are always on sale every year and people tend to resell them second hand brand new most the time for the same reason I don't like other headphones. Sennheisers sound isn't for everyone.
You really do have to respect the HD58x and the 6xx because Drop has done an amazing job at getting the same sound for a much cheaper price. I'll always recommend people try the HD600 with a proper set up if they can otherwise I push people down this road. I don't think the HD800/s are worth it anymore for how much there setup would cost compared to getting the equivalent from a different company.
I've always been a fan of Sennheiser, I first got started with them back in 2012 with the HD518 a very neutral sounding open back in the budget tier. Eventually I got myself some HD600's until they got broken in travelling and thats when I got the HD58X on sale.
You're the only person I've ever heard, in my entire lifetime, pronounce "niche" properly!
Can anyone advise? I've had a pair of 598sc's(I think it's the no.) and want a good open pair. Any ideas? Up to 300 pounds
Did you find one you like?
Totally agreed. I've tried all the headphones in this video and picked my HD600 few days ago. It probably has the least spatial effect comparing to others, but its mid-range is incredibly detailed and standout. For people enjoy more on vocal and string instrument, I consider 600 to be the only best in the price range below 700£. I'll say 820 is a genuinely better one but it is too expensive for a student. Additionally, better try them out in a headphone bar before you decide to buy a headphone which suits you.
true the point is whether youll get sound better than mine or not, which is quite an achievement in my opinion, with 'reasonable' price
Great review man. But 560s missing.
Looking for a new pair of headphones that hit hard in the MidBass area while maintaining great separation in mids & highs
Same, did you find one you can recommend?
Sennsational !
580 Precision, 58x and the 600 are the best . I don,t like the 650 , 6xx and the 660s 1&2
6XX with good amp good dac, and cable upgrades.
Question $230 HD 6XX or $340 HD 660 S .. is it worth the difference?? I realize this is an older video, but that's the choice I'm facing right now... I need your pro level advice and thank you! ✌️😎
I prefer the 6xx and also think it is the better value from a price/performance ratio standpoint. That doesn't mean you'll hear it the same way.
@@wavetheorysound .. **THANK YOU!!!** I've been doing research today about headphones .. Last question, how about the HIFIMAN SUNDARA vs HD 6XX?? I'm looking to pair it with the xDuoo TA-10R. I mostly game but I do listen to music, mostly genre with Deadmau5.
I have both and in my testing, they both sound exactly the same. I'm sure there are subtle differences but I squinted my ears really hard trying to hear any differences and I had to double check to make sure I wasn't accidentally putting the same headphone on my head each time.
@@justspaztik .. Thanks I ended up ordering the Hifiman Edition XS. However, I'm still shopping for a DAC or DAC amp combo. I kinda like the xDuoo TA-10R Tube DAC/Amp but for all the wrong reasons because it looks cool. I know it's supposed to be okay as well. Otherwise a Schitt stack combo.
Active nose counsellors sound painful.
I *HATED* the 800. Harsh. The treble spike was like a nail into my eardrum. Serious eq was needed. (The S model is just a damping ring mod)
I might need to upgrade my hd650 to those then... I LOVE LOVE LOVE treble... I eq my 650 for more treble. Extremely bland without. Though the AKG371 sound great without any eq.
From the Lyr+ FAQ:
“So why not balanced?
You tell us where to put the balanced connections and supporting circuitry, and we’ll make it happen.
Seriously?
Come on, look at the chassis. It’s full. Sorry, if you want balanced, we have Jotunheim 2, which is an amazing headphone amp and preamp in its own right.
But I want balanced and tubes and-
Yeah. We did that. It was called Mjolnir. It was big and inconvenient and we couldn’t move it with bran.”
560s, 599 have soundstage , and soundstage matters to me, one is more detailed, the other is smoother. Both better than entire 600 line, for me.
i have the 560s and i love it. but every once in a while i feel like i may be missing out on some details/ resolution that the 600 series may have
HD599 is complete utter garbage dont even mention that thing
which one is more detailed?
and which is more smooth?
Currently, I'm borrowing the 599's.. haven't committed to any yet.
Not sure if Sennheiser is right for me. I've been eyeballin the Hifiman Sundara's. But, haven't tried anything else as of yet.
@Mickael Mc Have both the 599 and 560s. 560s is much more detailed and clear but very lean, the 599 is smoother with a bit bigger sound stage.
Are we supposed to go round abducting friends and Get then into the hobby? 😮
Can t we have good soundstage without too much tremble?
I have had a hd600 and hd650 for 15 years plus. Last few years been into chfi iems. My little 50 dollar Mele iem will give both hd's a run for their money. Headphones really need to up their game and be lower priced to really complete with chifi iems.
HD600 line depends on amplification, the better the amp the better the sound, class A, tubes or r2r dacs is gonna get the most out of them.
You say that they are close enough?I did before yesterday an experiment. I took out my dt 880 and compare it to my etymotic er 2sr. despite the fact that they say that etymotic is natural sounding I found it lacking warmness? Bass? and to be too much trembly and thin cold sounding.. DT 880 was way more natural sounding and the timber was better even though it has also e spike in tremble aria..Most iems unfortunately fall in the tremble lift fashion trap..Now i wait to try tin p1 max..Hope its better..
Nah, id say hd600 technicality is comparable to some $1000 price bracket iem. After you eq it to oluv gadget eq (ver 4.1) or crin ief target (peace) , no iem can come close to its level
So many youtubers simply sharing their opinions. Wish there was someone actually let us listen to the differences.
The HD600 have plastic pads behind the capsule, while HD58X don't. Therefore, the mids on the 600s sound more noisy, colored. Personally, the mids performed by the 58Xs are more pleasant for me. Although now there are already a sea of IEMs (and inexpensive ones), which, in MF of clarity, will suit both of these Sennheiser ))
I sum up the HD600 series as "Vocal" cans.
They do good as monitoring headphones. Like in a talk radio studio setting, or a Podcast Joe Rogan context.
For music. They miss the mark of delivering All the music. Like leaving out it's overtones & harmonics.
Which makes them not that enjoyable & boring once the singer's stop singing & the double bass & the cymbal ride outtro fades.
My HD600 don't get much playtime other than listening to YT vids like this!
They're just not engaging enough for serious music listening. Particularly, after hearing what Focal is doing!
With headphones, the visceral impact is missing that a good pair of speakers can produce. The excitement of feel has to be overly compensated by fooling the auditory sensation it exisit.
The Missing bass rumble, impact & air just isn't happening with HD 600 cans. Their HD660s do a better job at it than all the others.
Focal does it best ! Granted at considerable more cost!
It's evident, to bring any of the 600 series to life a "particular" amp is highly recommended.
My two favorite cans are the Utopia & Stellia.
I also highly enjoy Stax L-700 Mk2 ! Those three.
You sound like a teacher. The way you emphasize words at the end of a sentence, makes you sound exactly like a teacher , teaching some boring material to students who either don’t get it or are just not interested in the subject.
Your subject is interesting but the presentation was like I described it.
Hahaha you caught me! I am in fact a professor in my day job. So I guess for the delivery I am what I am. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I don't agree with much of your content, which is not good, because I was really hoping I would. I'll move on.
EF400 review… bated breath
No HD580, didn't watch
Think of them as the BBC LS3-5A 🙂
hd800 is the way to go!!! it is compared to Toyota vs Porshe!!