Restoring A Filthy Mac Pro... From A School Bin!
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Today weâre going to clean up and restore a free Apple Mac Pro that was being thrown out by a school. Does this trash picked desktop work? Can this filthy corroded machine be useful in 2023? Letâs find out đ #apple #mac #restoration
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(Spoilers) Mac Pro Specifications:
Early 2009 4,1 Mac Pro
2.66GHz Quad Core Xeon W3520 Cpu
8GB DDR3 1,066MHz Ram
Nvidia GT 120 512MB Graphics
480GB SATA SSD (Upgraded) - VÄda a technologie
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wasn't a big fan, mainly because I saw a video of a cat trying to get some fish from a frozen lake and they couldn't get it :(
Honestly if you don't want the macpro I'll take it. I'm sure I can figure something fun to do with it.
does the gmail address have to be in caps? LOL!
@@mizinoinovermyhead.7523 bro.
Iâm curious just wondering how much that Mac is worth ?
Watching old computers like this get all cleaned up so so weirdly satisfying.
I bought that machine when it was new. Over time I have updated my 4,1 to 5,1 and upgraded to the 6 core 12 thread Intel Xeon W3690, 48GB 1333 ECC DDR3 in triple channel mode, a Samsung 970 EVO M.2 drive on a PCIe card and the AMD Radeon Pro WX5100. These days I am using the machine for light virtualization tasks, as a ZFS NAS with 4 internal HDDs and for legacy hardware like optical drives, firewire stuff and so on. All on macOS Mojave. Without any doubt this Mac Pro has been the most reliable and useful piece of computer hardware I have ever owned. It is in it's 14th year of service and still going strong.
Just a tip about accessing the PCIe slots, there is a button on the fan casing. Press that, and it will slide back, freeing the slots. There is no need to remove the fan completely.
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It's satisfying to see old piece of hardware from trash comeback to life. Keep up with great work.
What you called corrosion at for example 5:45, 5:51, 5:58, 8:05 is actually just flux-residue from the original manufacturing, that got not cleaned off properly in the factory and turn white over time. That is also, why this white discoloration only form in very specific spots, where that form of flux was used for thru-hole soldering.
The AMD RX580 is a great GPU for these Mac Pros. The special Mac compatible GPUs just allow you to see the UEFI screens. This can be annoying if you're trying to reinstall an OS or if you're dual booting since you can't see the boot picker. PC compatible cards will just show a black screen until MacOS boots and the GPU drivers load. It is possible to flash a Mac compatible VBIOS to the GPU too.
OpenCore fix that bootscreen problem. With OpenCore Legacy Patcher you can run even Ventura on these Mac Pros.
Aside from power consumption and CPU efficiency concerns, this Mac could be quite useful still! As others have suggested, Firmware upgrade, newer GPU/CPU, and maybe even Linux could make this computer someone's new rig! Maybe a home server or video editing machine or whatnot âș
I run linux mint on a 4.1 it's a breeze and the system stays up to date with no need for any mod or tweak. Those Mac Pros are PC servers in fact so...
Or opencore
They really were wonderful computers, the aesthetic is quite something. I have an old G5 Pro in my collection; you can fit a 17" G4 Powerbook between the 'handles' đ€Ł
I've placed '98 iMac keyboard while I'm installing OS
Do you have a picture by chance? Just ordered an old G4 off eBay.
Throw Linux Mint on it and you have a great working system. Loved the video. Another Mac saved!
You do not need to unscrew the upper fan to remove PCIE cards. Look for the white button near the fan. Push and slide back. 04:43
The repair projects look rather fun and good to watch.
I Learned A Crap Ton Of Things From These Repairs and Restore Videos
And With Having Some Personal Work Experience
I Now Do Repairs For Money
I still use a 5.1. ITs all maxed out. Best Xeon CPU and the max RAM. Still capable and with newer metal supported video card you can run the latest version of MacOS. I have been using this with a matching 30" Cinema Display. They are old but still work as new. Love the design, however I need to clean it regularly due to its HUGE fans.
Great video!!
I have a MacPo4,1 What video card? I want to upgrade from the 120
I still use one of these today, with a Xeon X5680, 32GB RAM, various SSDs, and an RX 580. This is all used with an install of open core so it can run windows 11 and macOS Monterey.
I think you can just install any old PC GPU in these as long as the OS on the machine has drivers for the video card. In that case, it'd probably be Windows or Linux. My friend used one of these with an RX 580 in it for a while. The Mac firmware wouldn't support the card so it'd have a black screen until the drivers load in the OS
yup
dont need mac os on these old machines, just use windows or linux
If you are that determined, you can flash the Mac Pro 5,1 firmware onto this machine. Along with the latest OCLP release, you can run Ventura on it as long as you have a Metal compatible GPU, such as the RX580. On Macrumors, there is also a project, which is in testing now, to flash a BootROM onto the MPro to give a boot selector screen and a boot progress screen with almost any modern GPU without having to flash the graphics card first. It is also intended to give USB 3.0 support in EFI.
For the Graphics card, with a compatible OS, you could use up to a GTX 1080 on a High Sierra install(last macOS with Nvidia support)
Although, you could also run comparable AMD GPUs from the same period(for stability. I don't think the PSU would be able to handle big power loads), as macOS still supports 3rd party Radeon cards.
@user lol I put an AMD Radeon HD 7970 in mine, and I am running AMD with OpenCore. Full support with Metal and it's the 2008 model.
A GTX 600/700 is also going to work until Big Sur, and perfectly in Monterey with the root patch.
@user very much does
Catalina was the last one with native Nvidia support, there were still supported machines that had Nvidia cards. Big Sur was the one to drop it(although you can still get it to work with patches)
@@EvilTurkeySlices no Big Sur doesn't need patches for Kepler.
I've got an Nvidea GPU that I flashed with mac firmware. Supports Metal and is natively supported in OSX too
that apple power connector is my new best friend. its a bloody nightmare removing it in other systems LOL
Aussie dumpsters seem a lot better than ours, EEV finds some nice items in his office workspace dumpster, never had such good luck here.
always liked the look of these guys. glad to see pc cases have just been getting cooler and nice looking over the years
What a FANTASTIC computer. The 4,1 can be firmware updated to a 5,1 and the device itself is upgradable to near modern power. The dual processor models could go up to 128 GB of RAM and with Opencore patcher, it will run Ventura (albeit with a few limitations). The GPU can be upgraded to modern specs too so gaming isn't unrealistic. Really good piece of history.
yeah if it wasnt a mac...
I have this exact model. It's been on 24/7 for the last decade, most recently built out as a 6TB RAID file server (back when 6TB was considered a lot). Built like a tank, and more dependable than just about any other machine I've ever had. Decently priced, too, at least compared to the lunacy of Apple's current Mac Pro line.
Nice work mate. Iâm the same, i do love these old towers and the fact they where fully upgradable and expandable. I do miss that
Nice case to build another system in. Maybe some Linux-Based-Gaming system or so, something as little apple as possible
I replaced the entire logic board from one of these back when I used to repair "vintage" apple devices. Such timelessly designed machines
it almost feels like you picked it just for that Sea/fish Advertisment spot đ
If the mac can run fishing clash, it is not junk, it is a treasure.
Cool vid. The way those things open up and come apart is amazing. The next Mac Pro should be nearly identical, just up to date.
Love the video! And also the email part was funny
Bro sniffing the eucalyptus oil in the end of the video got me laughing đ
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The 5.1 version can be updated to dual 3.46Ghz Xeons and while Apple list a max of 64Gb ram, there's a kit that will allow 128Gb. With an NVMe based drive and a decent GPU, they still make for a very good Broadcast Graphics box, or for an Uncompressed Raw video capture box for some Cinema cameras, using either Sonnet or similar software raid cards and SDI connected capture cards.
I still have my converted 4,1 > 5,1 sitting under my desk as a server.
Probably one of the best designed computers ever made and a testament to the community and repairable, modular designs. I doubt Apple will ever sell a machine quite like this again.
i always look forward to when you finished with the pc and are able tp play some games, been a fellow osrs player i love the fact that you play our childhood game still :) much love from UK
I've got a 2008 Mac Pro and two PowerMac G5's an boy, are they some beautiful machines. I definitely use them as chairs, and they do definitely work well for that! Also, my Macbook fits right in between the handles, so I also use them as a laptop holder and/or small table-esk thing. Such multifunctional devices with this case design! :)
9:42 well done sir. That one got me laughing hard lol đ€Ł
Seeing this video on my 5.1 Mac Pro with Dual 6 cores Xeons, 96gb of ram and a Amd rx 5700 XT. I use it for 4k Multicam video editing without a problem. Runing Monterrey. If you install a cheap used Metal compatible GPU and use Open Core you can further upgrade this machine and giving it a new life span. Still are great and cheap machines.
Currently running a 5,1 for my main rig. Kitted it out over the last few years and it runs great. Love having the ability to upgrade and tinker around with it. The ethernet daisychaining is actually quite nice to get my pc online too as it doesn't have wifi built in. Currently working on building a new PC inside an old G5 chassis actually. About 80% done, but should be able to finish it this weekend. Test fitting rn, everything seems to fit just perfectly. Though cable management is going to look atrocious since there's no backplate to hid everything behind
Want to make a video about it, but not sure how i would go about that, especially this late in the process lol.
I've owned 4 of these designs Mac Pro throughout the years. And also 1 PowerMac G5.
Incredible computers. The 4,1 & 5,1 are probably the greatest (modern era) Macs ever made in terms of longevity.
Great review love older tech I've never really been a fan of Apple but I love their designs I've always been a Windows XP fan đ
Those Apple "cheese grater" cases are awsome. Windows XP was a huge step up from 98 and ME for home machines. I went from Win ME to Windows 2000 before getting XP, and the increase in stability over ME was incredible. Mind you, I remember Windows 95 being a huge step up from Windows 3.x and MS DOS. đ
the cleaning process was INCREDIBLY satisfying :D
A dual CPU version of this is my main system. It started out as a lower end 2009 4,1 such as this one except it was a dual CPU. It has since been upgraded to two 6c/12t Xeon X5680âs, 96 GB of RAM, and a Radeon RX 590. It runs the latest release of macOS Ventura booted off an NVMe, and Windows 11. It plays the new Hogwarts Legacy very well, and does anything I throw at it. These old Mac Proâs even a single CPU model like this, are far from just being a paper weight.
I also want to add that I have a second one that is my server. It runs TrueNAS, with 6 HDDs, 4x4 TB disks, and 2x12 TB disks. It also is my Plex server. That one started out as a similar 2009 4,1 but now has two 6 core Xeon X5675âs with 32GB of RAM.
The trick to release the PCI bar is NOT removing the fan assembly but simply pushing it back by pressing the center pale button at the same time.
They are great machines. I have a pair with the maxed out Xeons and 32GB RAM. They were my primary 4k editing setup until the M1 Macbook Pro came out. Their downfall is power consumption. They burn 250W at idle. It becomes quickly apparent that it costs more than the machine is worth just to have them running for any considerable amount of time.
Yep. I've been measuring the power usage coming out of mine and it's clear that a M1 Mini could be had (used) for the energy costs alone. However, I'd still have to pay for some sort of HDD enclosure or NAS system to hook up to it, and an enclosure for my BluRay drive.
man I'd love to see this case completely remade with new parts, and turned into a "Hackintosh" of some kind lol.
00:38 "...panel comes off, revealing a moistly complete unit."
My tip for those dymo labels is use a Heat Gun( paint stripping etc ) and they come off easy.
great job ! as always !
With how sturdy and good they still look, a couple spray cans and some slight modifications would make that chasis look good on modern hardware.
I have the same MacPro 4,1 flashed as 5,1 and upgraded with 32GB RAM, 8 GB video card and running Ventura 3.2 thanks to OCLP 0.61⊠they can be upgradable and useful in 2023.
someday they're gonna throw that 2013 macpro aka "the bin" in.... BINS so that's gonna be a huge vid for ya!
Great work â€
Nice vid, plus great music for end credits
Gut them and put modern hardware in them. They make a great case. You can paint them, put a side windows on them and make them look pretty sweet. I used epoxy to secure the standoff onto the internals. Fun project if you are into that kind of thing. I now have 2 of the Mac G5 version.
I'm a fan of the X method of applying thermal paste as well. Never had a problem doing it like that.
I love mine! Installed Win 10 on it, a more modern graphics card, and it will quite happily run most games I throw at it. Granted it's noisy and hot, but it was absolutely dirt cheap. Slight downside is you need to keep the original graphics card in as well as the bios screen won't display on the new card.
Not any more. That requirement went with OCLP and a custom BootROM which does the same and a bit more besides is in testing.
Ahhh how beautiful the design of Mac Pro, even on the inside đ„°đ„°đ„°
That sponsor transitionđ€Ł genius
i bought a broken PowerMac G5 (basically identical case) and gutted it, and converted it to ATX, looks really good and the airflow is amazing, no overheating problems (i7 9700 and gtx 1080). The only logical use for those computers as they are essencially E-waste in 2023
That 4C/8T CPU should still be OK, and upgrading the RAM to 16GB (4x 4GB) would also help as well. I'm pretty sure there should be a way of installing a newer Mac OS to keep this machine running - even basic programs such as Chrome/Firefox/Spotify now require 10.13 or newer.
My 2011 macbook has Chrome , dropbox issues and now most wireless mouse wont sync
OK, "young you" = a frelling adorable kid! Also for some reason looking A LOT like a cousin of mine when he was about the same age.
Perhaps booting in Windows would give more options.
That looks a whole lot easier to work with than the PowerMac G5's that used the same cases. That thing was a nightmare to get cleaned up. Mind you, it is now just a case for a more modern i7 machine - one of the hackiest jobs I have ever done considering the power supply now sits at the front.
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I usually never download games I see sponsored but the fishing game seemed relaxing rather than the regular type of game you see ads for so I downloaded it and used the code. Weâll see if it is any good. Hoping for some nice beautiful locations to fish.
you can totally disable mouse accel if you just turn the slider all the way down in mac os and then turn up the mouses DPI through the mouse itself, mouse software, or the ingame slider. if you do that you get perfect 1 to 1 mouse movements.
I am still in love with the design of these Mac Pro's!
Maybe you can do a Hackintosh or a PC Conversion to the case and give the case some new life?
I wish there was a way to convert these machines but still make use of the optical drives, SATA drives and USB. I believe a lot of custom work would have to go into it.
A M2 Pro Mini motherboard with some custom thunderbolt adapters could make it work, but it would take a lot of skill.
I've got a 2006 macbook pro, the chunky one. I got it for $10, but it has no battery. I changed the DDR2 ram modules and I only use it for recording live music since it cannot be upgraded through a patcher unlike my other computer, a macbook white which I was able to update to Catalina and I also use it for recording live music, light web browsing and online teaching.
Man, this is what I love about your videos, giving love back to whatever it is you got before you and breathing life back into it. It's awesome.
This old Mac Pro's with Linux installed are solid, but power hungry servers. Saw few of them and even did one on my own for friend lately as he didn't wanted to get from his Mac but wanted it to be server, so one Debian install later, Openmediavault on it and Jellyfin after all made his server. It is power hungry, bit loud when near it, but as it is on separate breaker and in another room, can't complain about noise.
Friend upgraded to Mac Studio (M1 Ultra, 64GB RAM, 1TB SSD), so he has his old Mac Pro to spare and didn't wanted to sell it as it have memories with it (got him though high school, college and on that machine he found his first full time job).
This is how you engineer a workstation grade machine. Aside from cooling, these were beasts.
Im watching this on a 2009 Mac Pro. Mine has a single Xeon X5775 @ 3.06ghz (6-cores), 64gb DDR 3, AMD RX580 GPU, USB 3.1 card, SATA-III card with dual SSD's, and dual 32" Monitors. These machines are still very usable, I love mine, but its starting to show its age, but its still quite fast. I run Big Sur on mine, and so long as it still runs well, it will still be in service.
I wish I had some trash bin like that near me :) Good content, thanks...
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i sold my 2012 Mac Pro, 48 gig ram, 6 core for 200 bucks. So glad to see it go. I was tired of dealing with open core every time it needed a new os update. And besides m1 mini crushes the performance compared to it.
Very fancy.
I really wasn't expecting THAT ad
I love these macs! My mum used to have one of them
Great video. I love these old mac pro's and also the mac g5, g4 and g3. I got ALL these three in the original box (old new stock) it is a G3, a G4 and a Apple 20" crt Studio display from an old workplace that went bankrupt. I also have a working powermac g5 with dual 1.8ghz cpu's, a working g4 (without the box), an empty g5 case and an empty mac pro 1.1 case with just the power supply in it. I love old Apple stuff. And btw, u have a new subscriber and that's me. đ
From what I have heard people need the original GPU to update the drivers or firmware to install a different gpu.
Something along those lines. Saw it in a video from Austin Evans a few years ago.
10:27 Look mate it's a PKCELL battery.
I only now learned Runescape is actually called old school rune scape and isn't a reference to its age.
I was inspired by your videos. I bought a MacBook pro 2008, its amazing and I used the ifix it along with some of your videos in order to clean it haha. I really Love restoring older MacBook and older devices so that it doesn't go into e-waste! :D I was able to force monterey thru opencore. You could make a video on that!
I tried that with two late 2008 13 MacBooks, but the WiFi became very unreliable above Mojave. Kept breaking after waking from sleep or never connecting. How is yours?
@Mark Jo so I actually ran into the same problem. The wifi worked but never worked on enterprise. A wifi adapter doesnât do anything.
Indeed, OSX is beautiful đđ„°
would love to see you make your hackintosh version using that case!
These old Mac Pros have no issues driving any GPU, just donât expect an EFI boot screen (unless you use OpenCore Legacy Patcher) on ones without a Mac VBIOS
I have a 3,1 and it's decent as long as you put an SSD drive in it. I use it for web/email, keep it as a second PC beside my work computer which is full of company spyware.
I swear this man is hoarding as much eucalyptus oil as he can
Nows the perfect time to pick these up. Give them another decade and they'll be considered retro and expensive again.
My favorite Mac. I really miss my 2006 Mac Pro.
You should cross flash it to a Mac Pro 5.1. After that you can 1. Boot off nvme, 2. Install 6 core CPUs. 3. Install a later macos than what you can now. And the last efi of 5.1 is much later released than the 4.1s last edition.
Full clean down!
I wish these had a standard ATX layout, it'd be sick to throw some modern hardware into that chassis!
Recently got a Mac Pro had no corrosion but it was a workstation in a video editors house, only thing the house smelt like it had been smoked in for about 50 , plenty of half full whisky bottles, and donât forget about the animals, letâs just say I filled 5 grocery bags full of dark black smoker dust filled paper towels later and several days later i regretted my cheap purchase. Iâm thinking about posting a vid of the cleaning on my other channel.
I've always wanted to take one of these and cram a modern gaming rig into it.
I had one flashed to 5,1 running a 3.46ghz 4c/8t and a pair of HD7950s in crossfire on windows 7. Later upgraded to an R9 390x before ditching it in favor of building a 6th gen intel PC.
ive never met anyone with more school computer connections
when the sus bule 0:52
I actually apply a thermal paste as a cross too but a smaller one
I started my journey with a 1,1 and currently a 3,1 running Mojave. One day Iâll have the 5,1 and this will be my reference video.
I love this vid
No video with Psivewri is complete without eucalyptus oil and isopropyl alcohol đ€Łđ
Most of the white residue on the boards you suspected to be corrosion was just flux residue from selective soldering process. No need to clean that with vinegar.
Well saved!đđIn my opinion, those are classic computers and they will probably run well with a Linux OS., installed, such as Linux Mint, that would be an interesting video.
Might make for a decent NAS or home server if you can get a custom OS running on it. Not exactly power efficient, but it's an option for repurposing old hardware without throwing a ton of upgrade parts at it.
I believe this model still didn't have the T2 chip so you can probably install any OS with no hassle
@@LaGamerLia666_old Get TrueNAS going on it, utilize the drive sleds for the data drives. Itâll have plenty of cpu power to do the job.