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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2021
- The Stanley No. 51 Shooting board plane.
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As soon as I read "How to Justify Purchases" I liked.
I don't often experience tool envy, but I'm envious.
I'm pretty sure you speak for most of us.
It's great to see your level of happiness with your new (used) tool. I'm sure you will use it and cherish it as long as you are able to make shavings. Congrats!
This is awesome. Stanley had a plane for everything.
I just love the sheer joy in your face. my 5 YO looked very similar on Christmas.
Congratulations. Nice to see you even more enthusiastic than usual! You’re clearly very happy with it.
Nice video sir. It is always great to see someone’s dreams become a reality. In my opinion, if your shop is already equipped with all the essentials, then a dedicated shooting plane is a wonderful addition.
That is a really cool plane. It that it fits so perfectly into the shooting board jig... SWEET!
I bought the L-N version a number of years ago and use it often. But I have always wanted a Stanley version, too. Congratulations on the trade.
The shooting board is a game changer! I used to use a Veritas bevel up low angle jack plane on my homemade shooting board. Then I bought that Veritas adjustable set up you have and the shooting plane and OMG! That set up made the shooting board a reliable, accurate and enjoyable everyday tool! If you can set up a shooting board to square and miter, you can suck at almost every other aspect of cutting a piece of wood and correct it all on the shooting board. Congratulations on that Stanley, it's a lovely old tool! Happy shooting!!
This tool is amazing. Congratulations on achieving your goal. I now covet my neighbors Stanley #51...😱
Like a very big little kid with a new toy! Ha Ha Ha. I'm happy for you and look forward to seeing you and the plane in action.
Congratulations James. That is a sweet looking tool.
I have one and it is great to use, I have shooting boards for 90 and 45 degrees fixed and I also have a little longer area before the fence than you have. I like your idea for a shooting board as well.
Great clip I shared your joy. I wanted one and when I found a way to sneak in both a 51 and 52 purchase I just used it for the feeling it gives cutting end grain. Sad really
I think I need to get a life, but I still want a No 1 then I can go out again.
My dad has the plane and metal shooting board. He got it from his dad. Soon it will be mine. Dad is 93 and doing less woodworking.
That is a great hand me down!
You are one sick puppy! Congratulations! Much better than a Stanley #1. Wow! I am happy for you. Never saw one of these before. Have fun!
Ok, you've convinced me. I need one. Been using a LN 62 for my shooting, and have the same complaints you mentioned about it. It works fine, with good results, but I do find that im not overly thrilled to get my shooting done. I need a 51 that I can get excited about using! Lol.
Thanks for the video. This came out at the perfect time when I was wondering what my next purchase would be :)
Sorry to hurt your pocketbook like that. Don't have too much fun though.
Great video James! I was waiting for a jump clog heel click!
Wow, that's one beautiful pane. Good find.
Area 51!
That's a classic.
Not even damaged by the Dad Joke intonation.
Now I want one.
I just found your channels. James, you are the Bob Ross of woodworking. I mean that in all the best ways.
Thanks. you might like this one then! czcams.com/video/akr6RzodDtk/video.html
Pretty weird looking plane, James! Really interesting! 😃
I remember seeing Young Ge making one of those!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
You really need the Stanley 52 chute board that goes with it!
Congrats on the new addition. Kid in a candy store !
Just wanted to let you know that Cedar Chest and Cedar Chest Too in McGregor, TX has a couple of venders that sell tools. That’s where I got Stanley #4 and the wood body #33. As well as the 5 or 6 block planes. There is one there that sells all kinds of wood body moulding and rabbet planes.
Sweet! I just added it to the list!
I'm sitting over here all peanut butter and jealous ! "Area 51" , too funny man . Blessings to you Sarah and the kids .
Now to find the Stanley board! Best of luck.
Ya the 52 is not an easy one to find!
jim bode tools sold a 51 & 52 set for $1175. It's good to look at.
@@What_Other_Hobbies I am fortunate to actually own a Stanley 52 complete. That is the plane and board. I am the 3rd owner and know the history of the tool back to when it was purchased new. I use it frequently.
@@gregsnewyt Nice!
Saw one on our area craigslist, $1400 for the 51+52.
Thats awesome. Just like a kid on Christmas.
Just looked up the Lie Nielson No. 51 Shooting Plane. It's only $500. Oh my. I tried looking the Stanley one up and it was $1000. Finally, something that makes a Lie Nielson product look affordable. Love the videos. Keep them coming. Thanks, Scott
Yep. The Veritas version is around 350 and in my opinion the best working option of the three but still a serious amount of chunk of change to drop.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo I forgot Veritas had a version. I was thinking it was only Lie Nielson, which is kinda funny because I'm a Lee Valley customer but not Lie Nielson. Thanks again for the video.
Congrats on your purchase
The term Shooting Board and the similarly sounding Chute Board are a woodworker’s fixture. They accommodate the task of fine-tuning the end grain of a board by holding that board against a stop or fence and by providing a shelf, track, or chute (channel) to accommodate a hand plane. The noun shoot can mean chute, but typically, shoot and chute are not to be confused with each other. The verb shoot strives for, attempts to obtain, or to accomplish; in carpentry, it means to plane a board to produce a straight edge. According to Catalogues from the period, the Stanley No. 51 L-shaped Chute Plane with a skewed blade and the Stanley No. 52 Cast Iron Chute Board were sold as a set, and first offered in 1905. Starting in 1909, Stanley began selling the No. 51 by itself, and then in 1943, production ended for both the Chute Plane and the Chute Board. Another thought about the noun chute is that it is a sloping channel. A shop-made chute board with a declined ramp, the hand plane slices the end grain at a slight angle, and assures the even wear of the plane iron. This is a blurring of the two terms; both Veritas and Lie-Nielsen call their updated versions a Shooting Plane.
WOW 😲 really? 🤨
I was lucky enough to acquire a 51 / 52 some time ago. Afraid it is mainly gonna be a collectors item. Will try it out at sometime. It requires a little tlc but is in great condition 😁
Oh 52? thanks. now I have to clean the drool off my keyboard.
Congratulations brother. The 605¼, 604½ and 602C are my unicorns.
Awesome plane, thank you for sharing 😀
good for you thank you James
Nice find James. That plane seem more acceptable to use than Mr. Cosmans #5 1/2. Keep on smilkiing.
Just found one of these with the #52 cast iron shooting board on a garage clearance.
Wow. A pair of them goes for $1000- $2000 depending on quality. Sometimes even more!
That's neat haven't seen one of them before.
Congrats!
But dude, you HAVE TO give it the James blue treatment!
Happy for ya
I Love it!!! Area 51!!! Happy New Plane Brother👍
On will say a child who saw Santa Claus. 🎅 You are happy and I love it.
I enjoy seeing your smile. 👍
Sorry for my english.
sweet find!
Awesome
Please make a project with all your cool tools 😃
Thanks Dave! Every Saturday. I will keep them coming!
And now none of us have a chance to find one in the wild. I hope you’re happy with yourself! I’ll stick to my handmade shooting board with whatever plane is handy. :(
Sorry!
I’ve had the 51/52 for years (got them before there were the new alternatives), it is a wonderful tool, BUT if you are looking for a shooting plane I’d buy the Lie Nielsen or Veritas instead as they are better, thicker irons made of better steel
51/52 cost $1,500 10-15 years ago. As far as I know there isn’t an upgrade iron, so the Stanley iron is what limits it
If it's a #5 1/2 - 6 - 7 size Hock makes irons.
Wow! I've never seen one of those!
Curiosa essa plaina.
Não conhecia.
Fantástica.
Estou feliz por poder ajudar. esta é uma ferramenta divertida para brincar.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo infelismente aqui no Brasil não encontra dessa plaina pra comprar.
I did very well for myself in 2020 with Tool Drool.....I think I was able to aquire all the "necessary" vintage tools I needed for the projects I "had to get done". Now I have a new target in 2021.....I think I need this?
It is a need!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Now that I'm a member of MWTCA.....I will find one and have a blast looking for it!
Congrats!
It looks cool
I don't have the money for a good low angle jack. You're killing me 😂
I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.
Another option is to make a slanted shooting board. Matt Estlea has a good video on how to do so.
Yes. That changes the angle of force but it doesn't change the effective angle of the blade. So if you're shooting with a 45 it's still cutting at 45°. I like his design but it often requires a much whiter plane.
I have a 51 and 52 in EXCELLENT condition. Perfect frog. 100% Complete. I'm located in Michigan and open to offers. I'll be uploading a video of it soon.
WOW. I have only purchased 2 cars worth more then that!
I’ve been trying to find one for 6 years now lucky dog lol
Happy foryou and I love seeing you get all gitty l like that. Reminds me of when top to that table slid home on the sliding dove tails a couple years ago. Anyway, not that I could ever afford of, or justify the cost, I am curious. How much does that thing actually cost?
Depends on condition. Anywhere from $300 to $500 usually. in this current condition it's usual to find it around the $400 mark. Though I have seen them up around $600.
I believe stanley also has a "no 51" sweetheart spokeshave
Ok, I officially have plane envy!!!!
Sorry!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo no problem James!! I was only kidding. Good luck with it and look forward to seeing you using it.
Insanely rare here in Australia, only one ive seen was over $1000.
Great closure :)))
Next year: "My New Favorite Tool: Bridgeport Mill" after James decides to make a whole steel shooting board from scratch
James, thanks for your videos, I learned a lot from them. I have a question: when you're shooting with a normal (no. 4, 5, etc) plane, is the angle between the sole and the side important? Because I have a good no. 5 but it's definitely not square and I was a bit worried...
No. The angle of the cheek to the soul doesn't make a difference. The angle of the iron to the soul does make a difference. So you can use the lateral adjuster to make it square.
Just got a 62 stanley and it's a game changer for me. There is next level after that? woa
lol in hand tools there is always a next level. after this you can get into he brass infill versions. some of those are over $5000
@@WoodByWrightHowTo btw, this is Tim z.
Does the plane need a full restoration? That’d be a nice video to watch.
no this one is good to go. it has a bit of the japanning chipping. but not bad.
One word...... JOYGASM!
Yes yes yes, it's rare, it's weird, it's harder to find, it is the Stanley 51, so of course its wall location would be AREA 51. Perfect designation for it. You even need to make a carved sign fo its spot. BRILLIANT!
QUESTION: Do you oil or wax the aluminum runway or the bottom of the 51, or both, to minimize the wear between the hard and soft metal during use of the shooting board and plane?
Thanks, James. (Even though you beat me to the Area 51 joke).
LOL I love it. the Aluminum race way has down nylon tape for the plane to run on. so no need for oil other then what is used for rust prevention.
Great find or just luck 👍❤️🙏
What a beast
Very Nice 😎
Thoughts on doing a build video for making a wooden version of this? I'd love to see it.
I have thought about that, but wooden ones just do not feel as good as they are so light. a lot of the old ones would actually put in rods of brass to make it heaver, but they did not last as long with all the holes. it is on my list though!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Hmm, time to break out the Lignum Vitae!
I wonder if anyone ever made a home made one .. it looks like it can be easily made with a thick L section of mild steel , and a frog , iron , chip breaker and lever cap and tote from a number 6
I've seen a lot of people make wooden versions. But I've never seen one made with angle steel. Usually if it's made from metal it's made in a box style
My dream plane
It doesn't look like it, but does it need any work, what kind of updates/changes are you going to make to it? Congrats on the find, pretty obvious you're going to love using it.
I might upgrade the iron, but we will see. I think I am going to leave it as it is. the japanning is chipping in a few places, but it is great for me.
Great video. I'm researching shooting planes. How much does the Stanley 51 weigh?
If I had to guess it'd be somewhere around 4 or 5 lb. It's pretty heavy.
I have a spare Record 5 1/2 which is in the process of modification. Adding thick, heavy plate steel to the side..... bolted through the side wing just ahead of the frog..... and a little further back where the casting is thick under the frogs seat, theres now threaded holes for bolting on the new base. A wooden block (bubinga) at the front attached to the screw hole for the knob and bolted to the base im adding, and another L shaped bracket (bubinga) bolted to the heel end of the plane......attach a handle (which is also bubinga hehe) to the new base and I have a shooting plane :) It wont be skewed but it should have enough mass to plough through most of the stuff I work with........I did toy with the idea of making the new steel base angled by having it thicker in the heel end so I have some of a skew, but thats proven kinda difficult to achieve haha :/
I use a Record T5 for shooting (like a 5 but a small bit shorter, has massive square side wings and a threaded hole on them to attach a handle for shooting) it doesnt tilt in use and it is very good..... but its lacking in mass with some really dense woods. I could have modified my T5 but I didnt want to change a somewhat rare plane.
Your 51 is beautiful James, its obvious youre a happy man with your new plane, hope it treats you well my friend :)
Sounds Like a fun project!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks man!! I actually hate working with metal so its not gonna be much fun for me :P but il have a decent shooting plane when im done :)
Love the plane and the video. Whould love to add one of those to my collection one day. Is the chip breaker an original or not. It looks kinda weird because its al square.
The chip breaker on it is a hawk chip breaker
He means Hock in case you didn't know (voice text lol). They sell them at woodcraft im some sizes and they make irons too - and they are amazing (but kinda pricey)
Can we have a follow up 2 years on would you still value the 51 or do you regret the trade?
I love it. I used it a couple times today.
lol a new toy...you look like a boy on christmas, so happy.
Woot Congrats on first!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo you look like a six year old whose mom gave him a 20 to do WHATEVER HE WANTS with
Just curious, do you have any feel for how the veritas #5 with the PMV-11 blade would compare? Any better than the sweetheart?
Feel there would be no difference between those two blades. the PMV11 would last longer, but they would both feel the same.
Did you ever know you didn't know you needed something until you saw it! LOL!
All of the left-handed woodworkers cried looking at this thing
yup!
With my delving into hand planes, I have wondered about using a shooting board and plane to edge join boards for a glue up. A shooting board track would need to be 2 to 8 feet or more long.... Possible I guess. Has anyone done that yet????
I know a few people that have made something light that but it usually takes more time then free handing and does not give as good a result as you would expect.
I figured some one would have tried it. Probably a case of 'individual results may vary'......
So is the angle of the blade at 30 degrees and the bed 25?
No. This is still a bevel down plane. The frog is at 45 degrees but with the angle on it the affective cutting angle is around 30 degrees.
I Want!
O , YEA 👌
I've seen one or two down here is South Africa. Did Stanley make a left hand version? Since I'm a lefty
No. Stanley never made a left-handed version. It used to be back in the day that everything was done right-handed.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo that's a pity
Is there a reason to buy this (other than collectable) over the Veritas shooting plane given its price?
If you want one as a user then I would say by the veritas. It's a better plane.
Does it do that much more than a miter trimmer? Asking for a poor woodworker with a miter trimmer ;)
No. If you have a miter trimmer you're the next step up.
Problem for all with apparent excitement, like yours. I always tell my wife when ordering something that I am buying tools, yes necessary tools, absolutely necessary and that little project she wants done is dependent on the new tool. Problem is, I often slip and say "toys" instead of "tools" and then cover my butt by saying it was a slip of the tung or by accusing her of having a hearing problem. But she always wins by pointing out my obvious excitement when the tool shows up. Have fun with your new toy, I mean tool!
LOL that is the way it works!
You seem plane giddy!
if you don't have a 51, what would be best option for shooting?... (I don't have low angle bevel up either)...
It depends on you and your preferences some people like it as small as a number four some people want to go all the way up to number seven. Most people like it around the range of a size 5.
Waou 😍 !!!! I exchange it for your weight in french cookies hummmm very delicious. 👌
Time for a restore and repaint in the shops Metalic Blue finish. And yes if it is your 51's home then that would be area 51, now where is area 52?
I am looking for area 52!
@@WoodByWrightHowTo when you find it let me know, maybe thats where the aliens really are
As scarce and expensive as the 51 is, and as long as I've lusted after one, I'm surprised no one has offered a good set of plans for a wood bodied plane with similar function... or have they?
Is the truth is that wooden body planes are just too light and don't perform very well. There were a lot of old ones made up where they would fill the body with brass rods to try and add weight but those then end up weakening the plane and making it warp easily. So not many of those exist still. It's one of those processes that a wooden body joined her is just as good as a wooden body shooting plane. But I have thought about making one. I did make a low angle wooden body plane a while ago and I've thought about doing something different for a shooting board but who knows what the future will hold
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Interesting take on the situation and I see your poins.
I'd love to see you flatten the face of a board with that, just for grins :)
In the immortal words of Jessica Simpson - " I don't know what it is, but I want it!"
you could proboly make that with angle iron
Man I so need to build me a hybrid chuting plane because I've seen these on UK eBay a few months ago that wasn't nearly as clean as yours for about £500 so roughly $650 and my money's not that long so I've been thinking building a hybrid from a junky old Stanley frog and some good wood
That sounds about right. Most of the time these are going for somewhere between $500 and $800.