My Amiga Horrors of the Raspberry Pi 400
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2022
- This is quite a long video, and not a tutorial by any means, you've been warned. I got a Raspberry Pi 400 to play around with about in May 2022 and explore amiga emulation.
There is PiMiga 2.0 for those that want the easy quick way.
DietPi is another option but out of date.
Then I tried HSTWB Installer for Raspberry Pi.
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Thank you everyone for your kind comments. I seriously thought this would be one of my worse videos and no one would be interested but it seems to be popular.
I'm very interested. :) Got Pi400, wondered what the pitfalls of putting Amiga on it.
Thank you very very much for posting this, I'm sure it will help me on my quest, and yes I'm that Pat McDonald who did Amiga Format as Tech Editor for a couple of years.
and now people finally can see how much work pimiga is to get it all working friendly with each other and all the stuff that goes into it behind the scenes. your video was 2 months or so of work, mine was 1000 hours and a year. each year. glad you got it working. sorry about the klingon blood that took the honor of your original 400...
Thank you for the hard work you put into Pimiga.
didn't mean for it to be an advert for pimgia. I know how much work you put into pimiga.
hstwb needs a bit more polish in areas as it automates some good bits but just frustrating in others.
I need a break from workbench setup as I'm burnt out. thanks for the comment.
Qapla 😜
@@MikeyGRetro I was simply acknowledging his presence and thanking him for his work.
I apologise for my rudeness and should also thank you for your extremely good content - I try to get multiple experiences and opinions on particular topics like Amiga emulation and value all of the contributions from those like yourself and Chris Edwards.
@@MikeyGRetro did not take it as a advert, i was just saying that its alot of work, even for a basic setup.... so imagine what i have into it. i had a full head of hair before this. lol
@@terrydaktyllus1320 your all good Terry. Didn't think your rude at all. I think Chris does some amazing work on Pimiga 👍😃
I'm only seeing this video now but I can attest that ANY form of Amiga Workbench installation is an exercise in frustration.
I'm glad to see that you managed to persevere!
Lessons learned all around - a valuable video. Like you, I enjoy PiMiga but I also enjoy tinkering - watching through your trials here has given us all some important pointers for future builds! As always, great video. Thanks!
Mike I wish to thank you for your honesty about frustrations we all have had. Very well done video and probably one of your best. Trust me, I have destroyed tons of computers myself due to not just walking away from time to time. Keep up the good work and looking forward to your next video.
Well done on seeing this through. Glad it worked out in the end. Laughed out loud when I heard the fate of your rpi400. Your videos helped me a lot. RetroPie til I die!
Thanks for the very honest account of your experiences. I think most, if not all of us can relate!
Your timing couldn't have been better, as I was planning on doing something like this this weekend!
Hopefully I haven't put you off it. :-)
You have to learn to enjoy the ride ;). Anyway thank you for the very useful video, would be nice to see how to make an image that boots the pi 400 directly into a C64 or even C128 system. And a great tip: if it’s only for gaming on these systems I recommend Rick Dangerous EmulationStation image.
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for staying with it Mike 👍👍
Thanks, I'll take a break from installs for a bit but will still enjoy the Amiga.
A proper honest video, far too many videos make things look easy and straightforward when this is invariably the case :)
Thank you. Not a video I'm proud of but I thought it was important to show what I went though. :-)
@@MikeyGRetro If it makes you feel any better, I punched my Spectrum when playing Ghosts and Goblins, I was 9 though but it still bothers me to this day. My dad paid £100 to get it fixed, he still doesn't know how it got broken :D
I got pimiga running without issue, and also emulated on retropi without a problem. I agree some projects just lead you down countless dead ends but getting these running wasn't an issue. I use my pi400 for everything now, I dont have a Windows pc/laptop or a mac.
Wow, that was an experience you don’t want to go through again. I enjoyed Dietpi for a while, but I eventually went for Amikit. Sure it cost a bit, but the experience is amazing and it is not full of stuff like Pimiga.
I played with Amikit ages back on PC. I having a bit of a break from installation for now :-)
I use Pimiga 2.0 and have no problems on my Pi 400 :)
Yes I ended up buying the Amiga Mini. The software makes a difference and they have it integrated very well, supports whdload via USB. Plus it comes with USB versions of the original controllers.
I've been hoping that someone would made out of box replacement RPi Amiga mini. Pimiga is cool, but it's too much hassle for gaming at least I somehow tend to find speeds incompatible etc. I don't want ie. Wings to play to play faster than Amiga 500 which I had. Something like Pimiga 500 edition would be cool. I don't care for accessing internet etc. with my emulator box. I have tons of devices that do it better already.
I also recently purchased AmiKit for Linux and Pi 4 and the Pi version works well, although you need the ROMs and OS. I haven't tried more intensive games yet, but the demos run okay. I was less satisfied with the Linux version because sound seems disabled on my system by default and I'm stuck in a loop trying to save configuration changes and get it to apply those.
It would have been fun to have the original hardware but I just don't trust that the capacitors aren't going to puke all over the board and I'm running out of room for vintage systems. I was lucky enough to buy a Pi 4 when they first came out before the FPGA shortage and up until now it was sitting idle so this was a decent investment to try a second Amiga emulator
@MikeyGRetro is awesome guy, love your content man. Especially spending your personal time with helping me with something. :)
I just run Amiberry on Raspberry Pi OS. Since I use my 400 for other things and not just Amiga emulation, this is a good setup for me -- and I've had no problems.
With the Pi you can have as many setups as you do SD cards.
Same here but on Ubuntu. Runs flawlessly.
Great video - this is something I was gonna look at doing but not got round to it yet.
Whilst I did chuckle at the bit where you threw your Pi400, it wasn't just because you threw it and broke it, but because I have a similar temperament and probably would've done the same thing at that point, and I agree, it's ill advised, especially being how difficult Pis are to get hold of at the moment.
Whilst I'm tempted to try this out, I'm mostly inclined to stick with PiMiga because it just works in comparison to the amount of hassle you have been through with this ...... whilst I love the whole "roll my own" situation with these things, sometimes you just have to say "f**k it" and stick with something that's already put together.
When I've actually got some time to, I will give it a go, but if it starts to p*** me off, I will wipe the MicroSD card and put something else on.
Yep totally agree. Chris does some amazing work with PiMiga and if you havn't checked out version 3 that release at Christmas I recommend downloading it, it's much improved. I admit that is what my Pi400 has on it at the moment. As well as another card with Dosbian as I've been having fun with MSDOS lately.
This was a tough video to do and was in 2 minds of actually publishing it but I think it's helped people.
After transplanting the keyboard and using it I've found some keys don't register so there might of been some damage to the keyboard membrane. It's annoying and a reminder to keep my mental state in check.
Glad your having fun with the Amiga anyway and whatever setup if your enjoying stick with it. :-)
@@MikeyGRetro I have original Amigas and emulated setups - I find good uses for all of them - on my A1200 I have my own WB setup I did myself, and that's why I love the "roll my own" idea, but the problem is the amount of time and effort it takes, along with all the frustrations that occur when things go wrong. I've used HSTWB in WinUAE before (and on a real Amiga) and it's a nice setup, but this was back in the 3.1.4 days, not with 3.2.
However, thinking about what you said with 3.2 and having incompatibilities with BestWB (or the HSTWB installer) - well, that's accurate, as I've had issues on my real A1200 with 3.2 (or the updated 3.2.1) and prefer to stick with 3.1 or 3.1.4 as my base - whilst 3.2 (3.2.1) is nice, I seem to run into issues when running 3.2/3.2.1 once you've added some nice "quality of life" improvements to it ..... one example being "MagicMenu" which allows you to press and release the right-mouse button (instead of holding the right mouse button) to obtain the menus, under 3.2(.1) it just crashes the menu intermittently but doesn't seem to on 3.1.4 or below ....... very odd if you ask me.
Either way, I'm glad you did this video, it highlighted what can go wrong as well as what can go right, at lease we all know you actually tried it, rather that editing out the all important bits that others often do.
In grand tradition of Amiga my Amiga friend smashed mouse by trowing at a wall .I ruined big box Amiga mb .so yeah lol well cryed out lound . Still have my Amiga 1200 not sure go pi route I love org hardware I tryed emulation on PC doesn't give me that buzz .great video .
Hvala!
Thank you great advice walk away and come back to it.
Hi. Come across your video and wanted to give it a try on my pi400. Installation went well up to the point of installing amiberry (latest version). Install of amiberry failed with error about libserialport.h not being found. Just reinstalling v5.3 of amiberry as per the video. Not sure if v5.6.x works or not. Just wondered if youd seen this happen or not?
I use RetroPie on my 400 and it plays Amiga games perfectly fine (at least for me). And it's much more convinient to install and use. 😅😅
Oh man. I nearly went this route. Instead I downloaded a 31 gig file called "Pimiga 1.5" and have used that burnt onto a MSD Card.
I t doesn't have the customisation I might have chosen for every aspect. But I've not found any issues at all with it. Found a couple of obscure games it doesn't have and worked out how to add those quite quickly. It boots to full HD with a custom Workbench and just works on the 400. For S&G's I put the emulation as a 68060 with a floating point co-processor and did some benchmarking with it comparted to RL. It is blitzing fast. That Pi400 is now an Amiga as far as I'm concerned. If they make a keyboard version of the Pi5 I'll have that emulating everything else up to PS2 and PSP sort of level as it seems well capable of that.
I understand the frustration, I had the same on my x1000 / os4 setup, its got annoying random rest problem that every time I think I fixed it, it happens again and kinda made me not want to bother with it anymore or even sell it. As rather than just enjoying the system, for the last year or so I feel like I’m just fixing problems.
Yeah, when something is suppose to be fun but it takes up time before you can get to the fun part it's frustrating. Hope you stick with it in the long run as os4 looks interesting but do want you enjoy that is so valuable. I'm still learning :-)
There’s no Pi400 here in the Netherlands all out of stock. Have now two Vampire V4 Standalone’s but there is long way to go. For the rest I got a AMIGA 500 and two AMIGA 1200’s. With a ACA1233n-55, Blizzard 1230 IV and a fast TF1260 with a Rev6 CPU on it. Waiting for a Blizzard PPC and maybe the WARP1260. You can see my collection and progress on the Dutch forum Amiga Cafe.
Nice collection :)
Thanks for that, going to give this a try on my 3B+ as pimiga gives me black screens on my sony amp.
Worth a shot. Chris recommends a Pi 4 for pimiga so thats why your probably seeing issues. As long as you select Pi 2/3 in those menus when it asks, I wish you all the luck :-)
I had several attempts to get this running how it should according to many vids I watched. Gave up, took the Pi400 outside and set fire 🔥 to it. Felt so relieved after knowing that the piece of shit I spent weeks on trying to get the Amiga games to run on is gone never to return... spent some dosh and bought a 600 with whdload and games installed...much happier 😊
Wow, I haven't got to that stage... yet. RIP pi400 but glad you found something your enjoying.
Please contact me first if you are going to put the a600 on that fire 😜
Thankfully, no negative issues here with my Pi400 and FS-UAE.
Glad to here you having a better time with Pi than me ;-)
Not only installation video, but also a physical breakdown test lol
Oh no, through it across the room. Pretty you are in the UK. As I could have fix it here in Australia. Walk away is best.
I still got the board, how would you go about fixing a cracked board out of interest then?
@@MikeyGRetro Would depend how many layer the circuit board is use a circuit board repair kit.
@@chuxxsss ok I'll look into these repair kits then.
I was thinking of trying to find the area affected and heating it with the gun. Is that a good idea?
@@MikeyGRetro Freeze spray first. I through it was in two?
@@chuxxsss No, still one piece but must be traces broken half way acrossed the board. Can't see any cracks.
Thanks freeze spray then heat gun. I'll look at getting some freeze spray 🙂
I noticed an issue due to how you've edited your video, you have managed to snip off the:-
"Start installation of HstWB Installer with following steps:
Install git with command:
sudo apt-get --assume-yes install git"
Thought I'd add it here, just setting up my pi now :)
Curious how you figured out that HstWB was the problem. Was this massive trial and error, or was this advice on the internets.
I threw the like button against the wall.
Thank you. Still picking up all the pieces ;-)
I may have had a different goal but a dual boot with Batocera does well for me. It can do WB just as well as all the games.
What I like about the Pi400 is how it reminds me of when I first got an A500... Hooked up a couple of gamepads, everything just seems to work. And it does more than just Amiga.
And since it's dual boot, I can just boot to Linux desktop and edit the batocera files if needed. But haven't had much need to do that... Biggest problem was to name the kickstart ROMs correctly.
I used Diet Pi and update Amiberry manually.
Ah ok. I tried updating via Diet Pi's mechanism which was stuck on v4. something.
But it was oh so satisfying............. you can buy a preconfiged sd card with all the software on it from places like Etsy etc
HSTwb is a bit overwhelming when it shouldn't be the case at all - The options should be scaled back IMO
I agree, I like parts of it that automate and setup Amiberry and SDL for the Pi but the number of confirms and choice is a bit too much.
@@MikeyGRetro They're trying to serve all comers and the fault really is in the documentation and the fact that they didn't take into account the permutations of selecting certain options and combinations there of.
I know, this is old
.. But struggleling (horros, as u mentioned) is only lack of knowledge..
I ran into simmiliar probs, bcoz i didnt know better.
Don't blame the community, who constantly make it better.
Hi, I think you mis understood my message in the video. I dont blame the community for me damaging the Pi 400. It was me and my own rage. Others have agreed that it is a complicated project and I do appreciate all the work the developer of HSTWB does to make it simpler but it's still has a degree of difficulty that I think my video expresses.
Anyway I recommend checking out my more recent video which was more successful. :-)
@@MikeyGRetro I feel bad, u damaged Pi400
For all Computer emulations things the PI400 is the better options than the Pi4. Never needed any active cooling for the PI400. For the PI4 very much so.
Yes, when i took it apart I was impressed with the heatsink and general layout of the board. Some good design has been done with Pi 400.
They just need to make 2 inch thick rubber padding all around it and it will be perfect ;-)
So that's the thing with Amiga and why it wasn't going mainstream - it was too hard for the general user and became unstable for unknown reasons. Don't get me wrong - I was a professional developer and made a living with the Amiga for quite a while (1987-1992), but everything was hard - installing a hard drive was hard. Getting good video was hard. Running the OS was hard. Windows 3.1 was damn unstable at times too, but most of the horrors there were imposed by the underlying DOS. I moved to Wintel mostly because that was where the money was going to be, and was sad to leave the Amiga behind, but... yeah.
The issues I was having I think were more HSTWB Installer rather than Amiga itself. I love the Amiga system. I've seen many Guru Meditations but I've also seen many Blue Screens too ;-)
It was inevitable for developers to move to PC because Amiga was poorly managed and starved of research and development of it's architecture and PC was moving so much faster.
@@MikeyGRetro I'm sure that's true in your specific case - but I can remember some bad moments when trying to get an accelerator working. None of which was unique to Amiga of course, and ultimately the dollars moved to Wintel which is where I had to move also if I wanted to eat.
No the Amiga was not full of these kind of difficulties which involved setting up emulation in a linux environment and in a foreign hardware environment that the Amiga OS was never written for. What doomed the Amiga was greed of the folks who ran Commedore who lined their own pockets with the profits and did not have the personal commitment to their companies future such that had by Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Jay Miner.
I've never thrown a computer across the room but many a time have I thumped a keyboard in frustration.
As they say profanity is the language most used in IT.
Yeah I think we all have our types of lashing out. Thumping to floor, fists on desk, mine is definitely the wall. Maybe I've got a unconscious desire to become an athlete in discus throw. ;-)
really, Pi400 hitting the wall didn't fix the install ???? hmmm, curious 😛 Listen to Chris Edwards - he is an Amiga God !!!
yep, didn't fix it. 😉. Chris does some great work. I enjoy trying things out myself but this time things just boiled over for me.
ok computer!!!lol.
Pi400. No numpad. Dealbreaker. Otherwise it would've been perfect for the Amiga.
All that work, and you end up with a shittyAmigaXperience, and even worse audio quality
Stop f11cking about and get linux on it and job done.
Raspberry Pi OS IS a version of Linux, you nitwit.
ewwww
Not sure what you mean, this is running linux as its Raspberry Pi OS. If you mean Amiga emulation then I don't this video is for you. 🙂
Why?
Stay away from PI400 and Linux....I had PI400 and it was so bad...better buy Windows system hardware (mini PC or like me Pantera PC) and you will have no problems. I sold my PI400 as fast as possible. I do not recommended PI.
Buy Windows system hardware eh, should we tell him Windows is software and not hardware? Did you know you can install Windows on the Pi 400? You can. You can also install Linux on any Windows PC (these days 100% of them). You could have learned a lot if you had stuck with it.
@@JamesAChambers I tested Windows System on PI400: USLESS totally. I suggested switch to platform x86-64 and forget ARM .
@@Yanus3D I mean... wait... did you buy it to use as like, your main desktop work PC or something? A $100 computer?
Yes, I'm sure that didn't go very well at all considering that just my processor on a workstation (Threadripper) costs more than 10 times that and the motherboard is another 5x that.
It doesn't matter whether you are running Windows, Linux, or homebrew Mac OS X on it. It will smoke whatever off the shelf consumer garbage is currently being sold. Do you know why? Because it cost literally an order of magnitude more money just like you should be spending an order of magnitude more than a Pi 400 costs for even a passable midrange workstation/laptop.
If that wouldn't make any difference to you then the Pi 400 probably had more than enough silicon for your needs if only you had known how to use it. The Pi 400 is a toy compared to a $600-1000 computer just as your computer is a toy to mine and it would drive me just as insane for me to try to use your computer like it was my workstation just as you tried to use a Raspberry Pi as a desktop/laptop/whatever it is you were trying to do.
@@JamesAChambers I use mini computer which has almost same price PI400 but is Intel CPU and quite fast. No problems with software because Windows system (I love Microsoft) Name of that is "Pantera PC" (you can find it on web easy). Amazing hardware and more important : architecture x86-64 ! I do not like Linux (and clones) too many troubles - in Windows system everything is easy and has GUI.
Thanks for your comments. Both systems have their benefits and good for different use cases. I think the comment saying you will have no problems is debateable. x64 system with Windows or Linux can always have issues, Raspberry Pi ARM systems have issues too. I think enough is said on the subject. Check out some of my WinUAE guides if you havn't already which is Windows based. :-)