Is it worth buying an ex business PC in 2023
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- Is it worth buying an ex business PC in 2023
So you want to buy a dell precision tower 3620, but is it worth it in 2023?
We will talk about the pros and cons of buying a used office pc.
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Let me know in comments whether you are using a old used office pc.
hp prodesk a 80eu(2015), i7 6700 a 55 eu, rx 6400 a 145eu(saphire edition) 32 gb ddr4 gskill 2433mhz(40 eu). Free win 11(Rufus). Total 320eu, with a max powerdrax without any usb connections( keyboard mous etc) is 148 watts. Great for e sports on 1440p, Counterstrike gives me minimum 300 fps, with on good days 450 fps. Seeing the price, and the powerdraw, i think that i created a small monster, hehe!
I'm not, but I am currently trying to get my father to upgrade from his ancient Dell to a more recent Dell but purely for office work. Sadly he's opposed to refurbished anything so he'll probably buy something way more expensive than he needs to. I might try and get him to accept a mini PC but I doubt he'll go for it (from someone other than Dell whose minis probably work fine but definitely aren't cheap new).
Are Dell the cheapest second hand business PCs in the UK? I think the Lenovo Thinkcentre or Fujitsu Celsius are better built. In Eastern Europe they are more cheapest than Dell. Hp I do not comment on them, in my opinion they are not worth it, they are the least upgradeable, in many cases with passive cheap cooling and they are hot.
@@stonehardy580 good question. My gut feeling would be that Dell far outsell anyone else so their models are either cheaper or more readily available but that's possibly influenced by all the Optiplex are great videos out there :D
I’m buying but just for home not for gaming. 😊
The short answer is YES... they are worth buying. I pretty much exclusively buy used business computers nowadays, as they're dirt cheap and often robust and very modular, with a toolless design. Also, he keeps on about OptiPlex, but this is a Precision. And being an 'ugly' case is just personal opinion that doesn't take away from the functionality of the computer... personally I think 'gamer' cases that are bright white with glass panels and loads of RGB are bloody ugly. Another thing, it doesn't have to be about games all the time. Some people do actually use computers for legitimate purposes, you know? By forgetting about games you can get some absolute bargain computers that will do just about everything else exceptionally. Also it's ironic that he's denouncing CZcamsrs who praise these machines for the sake of content, when he did exactly the opposite for content. What a joke.
Those garish RGB cases look like they're designed for kids. Dells can be a good deal, but given their proprietary design, don't pay close to what their standard counterparts cost.
Learning how to piece together your own PC is always the best way to go, you'll get what you want and it'll be cheaper. Plus most of it will be upgradable. These days I would never go for a PSU under 750 watts.
Thanks
I have an old HP Z440 workstation. I bought it primarily because they are bullet proof, and it cost $230 AU. Came with a E1620 V4 and 16 gb ram and k2200 quadro and an SSD. I thought about upgrading the CPU, Ram. and GPU at some stage. It goes well. I don't game or anything like that. I basically do video editing of video's I make using OBS and Capcut. Thanks for the video.
I think the quadro k2200 can definitely play some games like GTA V
I'm currently running an HP z820 workstation (about ten years old) with dual Xeon E5-2687W, 128GB RAM, Nvidia Quadro 5000 GPU, 20TB of storage (about 5TB as SATA SSD). 2x second-user HP E242 24" 1920x1200px. It weighs as much as a small car, but is built like a tank and runs Linux superbly. I also run W7/10/11 as VMs if I feel like it, and I see no performance hit. I don't play games, my reaction speeds make the Walkers from Walking Dead look like fighter pilots. Cost including storage is overall about £900. I'm very happy.
I would recommend keeping an eye out for a bargain. I have a T5610 with dual Xeons and maxed out at 128 GBs of RAM and I love it. The thing runs circles around some newer machines in actual use Running linux. I also find synthetic benchmarks are more about bragging rights and often don't reflect reality. I do agree you are taking a gamble buying them online though. I only buy workstations from brick and mortar businesses here. I got mine from an animation studio that was upgrading their systems.
I've had good success purchasing off lease PCs, but my wife and I are not gamers so take that into account. When Win7 hit end of life I purchased two off lease HP Z230 small footprint desktops for myself and wife. Each of us also each have a Lenovo T520 Thinkpad laptop. Certainly not as sexy as the current crop of ultra thin laptops but then we don't have to lug them around every day. Lastly I'm using a T420 Thinkpad as a poor man's server on our home network. I stuffed a 2TB HD in the DVD slot and swapped out the original HDD for SSD's in the laptops.
It all a matter of determining what you need and how much you are willing to spend.
I regularly purchase old Office computer for $50 to $75 US for use at Churches and other non profits to use for basic office use and occasionally to a customer that only wants to get on FaceSpace and other social media. I can throw in a inexpensive SSD and they get several years out of them before they need to replace them with a newer one for a similar price. I would NEVER even consider purchasing one to turn into a cheap gaming computer as they just can't handle that well enough to be worth the upgrade costs.
USA have cheaper prices.
@@Britec09 Sometimes we get lucky with the price of stuff.
Ive ran a T3620 as a gaming pc (xeon e3 1270 v5 + GTX 1070 and 16gb ram) for a few years and its never given me any problems at all
Hi from Oakville Ont Canada. Thank you so much for your explanation
Excellent review by Britec. I worked for a large company that told its computer vendor to lower costs. One year the computer vendor deleted parts that caused hard drives to fail in about 1 out 3 machines. While that problem was corrected, there might be other hardware issues/specs that work well for the large company but not the average user.
Why are we asking if it is worth buying an older business PC then restricting the purpose to games? Old PC for modern games , No. General use such as school work, browsing the web, shopping and chatting in forums etc., Yes. Ask me how I know. A bit of light gaming can be done as well with older titles if needed.
100% agree with you, at the right price ex-business hardware is well worth buying if it's for the correct use. It's like saying it is worth buying a used small white van to go weekend track racing in, of course it's not, but it'll be good for the weekly food shop and helping friends out with.
Thanx for the review. Looks like used PCs like these Dells are way cheaper in the UK compared with here in New Zealand. Mind you some computer store hare also sell ex lease PCs here that have been recertified with usually an SSD and a new load of Win 10 or 11. If you just want a cheap play PC then buying from the likes of Ebay are fine.
I've used old dells all my life and just play old games on them that don't require expensive new hardware. People who insist on playing the latest games are just creating an expensive problem for themselves.
I am operating a refurbished Lenovo Thinkpad. Very reliable for what I need as I do a lot of word processing. I can do a little audio recording as well when required. They were very robust machines and will keep going for a long time.
The newer ones don't seem as well-made and are extortionately expensive. I plug in my mechanical keyboard and off I go.
Thanks for sharing!
I Have a Couple old Dell Computers. One is used for A General Purpose PC and runs very well , The other one I bought for my Daughter which her first computer and I'm in the middle building a New one to replace it very soon. Thank You Brian for another very informative video.
It really depends on use ultimately. If you're just web browsing and word processing, any old computer with an SSD upgrade will get the job done and will perform well, my old MacBook Pro with an i7-2000 series CPU in from like 2011 is very usable with a SATA SSD, I run both MacOS and Windows 10 on it.
I tend to agree with Brian this isn't a good deal, I had an i7 6700K before upgraded to my current AMD 3950X and in 2019 the 6700K really was starting to feel it's age for my use case. If you wanna game invest in a system you can upgrade, get an AMD G series CPU or an Intel i3 12100F and run on onboard graphics short term, spend the small extra on a decent motherboard so you have more performance headroom. For example I helped a mate build a PC that he could grow into, Intel i3 £82, MSI B760 Motherboard £135, DDR5 16GB £38 new, although RAM is pretty solid to buy on ebay and can be bought much cheaper, for example I bought DDR5 16GB laptop RAM for £16 the other day on ebay for a mini PC I'm going to use as my router, a GPU you can usually find on Facebook marketplace or ebay without issues, power supply buy new but can be found pretty cheap for a solid brand, and cases, there's hundreds available, you can find a Montech or Ionz case that look good for £30-40, others for like £25, think my mate spent £265 ish, coz he already had a power supply and drives. He will buy a discrete GPU when he has the money and I told him coz the motherboard is solid if the CPU doesn't do the job he can swap the CPU for an i5 without any trouble. But he's very happy with his new PC, first one he's ever built too, with a bit of supervision from me on the CPU install coz I didn't want him bending pins by accident and bricking the motherboard.
If you do want a used computer just for browsing and homelab stuff, look for mini PCs, a modern one, such as the Dell Wyse, HP and Lenovo have there own models, look for an Intel N5005, N5095, N5105 or i3 CPU model, those won't be the most powerful computer and you won't be able to game on it with modern titles, but they are power efficient, regularly they'll be available under 50 or 60 quid on ebay, in my opinion, under £40 is value for money, upgrade wise you'll be able to add RAM, add or upgrade the SSD, maybe even add faster networking or a low end GPU, but not much else.
I recently bought a tiny PC from an auction for £20 with a N5005 CPU in that I will run Nobara Linux on, coz Linux is way less resource hungry than Windows, which should help performance. I video edit for a living and run a 16 core AMD 3950X and a Nvidia 1080Ti, but I don't always have work every day, however I am at the PC usually, and with the cost of electricity 3 or 4 times more than it was 2 or 3 years ago, I am mindful now of power, so why use my 3950X PC just for browsing and CZcams while it's still sucking back power, when I could use something ultra low power. I could use my NAS and a virtualised Linux instance, but I have a multi monitor setup and I don't want to go down from 3 to 1 monitor now that' I'm use to a muilti monitor setup, coz the NAS only has 1 HDMI output, however since I run my PC over DisplayPort I can plug in the tiny PC, that has 2 HDMI ports, via HDMI and 2 of the monitors will auto switch input depending which computer is switched on, a KVM switch for multi monitors is just too expensive, I can't justify the cost, but I have bought a USB sharing switch for under £20 that I just plug in my mouse and keyboard and I can switch between the 2 computers to use the same mouse and keyboard.
But it all comes down to what you wanna do with the computer, how much you wanna spend, and how future proof you want it to be, the best performance upgrade you can ever make is replacing an old spinning hard drive with an SDD and any old computer within the last 10 years will feel like new for general use. Just think about what you want to do with the computer then plan and research from there.
I'm using a hp pro desk mini PC with 256 gb SSD, I5 processor and 16 gb of RAM, I have it plugged into my 55 inch TV and surround sound system, with wireless keyboard and mouse, got most game emulators to run smooth and GTA 5 runs at near 60 fps, I'm not a serious gamer so im not that bothered about gaming performance but a lot of non power hungry games runs smoothly at medium settings at 720p, I'm more than happy with this system.
Glad that worked out for you, this is really targeted at gamers
Nice video Brian. I have purchased refurbished business models, Optiplex specifically, for residential customers and business clients ( non profit ). They get great hardware at a fraction of the price new. All of my customers have been happy with the purchase. I even include a 1 year warranty. I always sell new Optiplexs to businesses.
Thanks for sharing!
It's amazing how many comments completely ignore that you're talking about upgrading them for gaming and not as home office PCs. Clearly, a second hand Optiplex or similar is fine for a spare PC for some niche uses, or a family member who just needs to browse the web a few times a week (if it's not from 2015!). For those cases though, it seems like it'd be so easy to spend £300 on a second hand Optiplex when a brand new Minisforum mini PC might perform better and not be out of date immediately.
It'd be really interesting to see how this works out if you buy an Optiplex that's got a 9th Gen (or 10th etc) CPU, can be upgraded to Windows 11 and probably has things like more recent HDMI ports, or USB-C. I suspect it's still not a cost saver unless you get an amazing bargain. A legit Windows licence is appealing, but even that cost might not make enough difference.
It definitely feels like a minefield for those of us who are amateurs (at PC building, or Ebay tbh).
I was thinking about my next PC being a SFF build, to use mostly for office work, and then got interested in the Fractal Terra shown at Computex. It looks great at what it does. But then I realised that ITX cases and components are all super expensive and lack of size is the only thing you're getting.
All I'd be doing is making it much easier to move around on the rare occasion I move house or reorganise my office. Or... I could just buy an ATX & motherboard for less money, and put it on a wheeled PC trolley under the desk to make access easy.
Thanks Brian.
I have two old Dell's, one is a NASD (Network Attached Storage Device). The other is used as a media center.
Thanks for the info!
@@Britec09
Welcome. 🙂
I've used many refurb Optiplex over the years in business and home settings with no issues. Loved them and saved a bunch of money.
Same here. Although you don't really know what your are getting. I've purchased about 10 refurbished units on amazon and two of them were pretty low standard. Also on one system, the SSD only had 39% life left in it with about 15,000 hours of total usage. It is a gamble. The good news is, if you check them out and they don't meet your standards you can return them for a full refund. I hate returning things once I buy them especially from Amazon as only about 15 to 20% of returned items never make it back to the seller. Cost's the seller too much for the return. I don't like buying from big box stores either as they normally skimp on quality parts. Build your own and have fun.
Great video....! I have an old HP Pavillion with one of those old power supplies but its lying in bits, I stand by those EVGA Power supplies they are great for the money, thanks for sharing the knowlege
You're welcome
I had actually considered buying something similar... up until you gave us your valuable advice.
Thanks for saving me some money :)
Peace
Glad I could help!
how can one access the cpu benchmarks section on your website ?
I currently have three, one as a media centre to stream to a normal TV, one for the shed for general searches for how tos etc and one to run my CNC machine. These have lasted me over 5 years now with one crapping out after a few years and i replaced it. They are good for general computing and I agree, they are not recommended for high end gaming.
Dell Optiplex 790 Purchased from Ebay $85.00
Microsoft Windows Pro 22H2, Intel Core i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 3401 Mhz 4 Core 8 Logical Processor
UEFI 16GB RAM, 1TB HHD, I upgraded the HHD and the RAM. It had an 80GB HHD and only 8GB of RAM. It came with a WiFi Dongle, Keyboard, and Mouse. No issues with computer. Works for my needs.
Yup I have a dell precision T5810.... And I put in a FE 1080ti... and i love it!!!
Very true mate good video
Thanks 👍
It's "worth" it if you know what you're getting into and what you're going to be doing with it. Cheap client PC's for a lab, yeah. Trying to turn em into gaming PC's doesnt seem like a wise endeavor tho.
That's the point, they don't end up cheap.
Can you do a video: Motherboard Firmware is it important to always have updated in every new firmware update?
See what I can do
I like the case for a sleeper build, but the front panel I/O cable would be a headache to trace to a standard motherboard header.
I picked up one of these for $200 a few months ago for my 14 year old granddaughter. It came with a Xeon E3-1245 V6 CPU, 256GB M.2 SSD, 4TB HDD and a Quadro M4000 GPU with 8GB of VRAM. It does a great job with the games she plays like Fortnite. Recently her Dad cut the side panel and put in a plexiglass panel, painted the case pink and add an RGB light strip. So, there are some still some valid use cases in 2024.
I have a Dell Optiplex 3020 but just use for browsing the internet, it's adequate for what i need. I have no idea about building my own pc, i going to have this with Windows 10 until it runs out.. I know you don't like answering questions but where is the best place to buy a new pc for Windows 11 or 12 please
Glad it worked out OK for you
@@Britec09 I'm just hoping it survives until I've no choice to get a Windows 11 pc but don't want to go to Currys, any ideas please.? thanks.
ok
12:31 Indeed
I think the reason why people first started buying these was back when specs were stagnant with 4 cores 8 threads. But today we live in world where BigLittle & Threadripper exist and so there is race to the top to add more cores.
9:12 you mentioned Optiplex? Is not a precision?
I received a HP Elitedesk. It had a nvme that was rated for 5TBW. The PC was used as a server and for some reason they have managed to write over 5PB, yes Peta Bytes (in 3 years) to the nvme 😂 and I am getting warning messages from windows. It's not a big issue, but thought it was interesting.
I had frequent restarts pointing at the power supply. But seemed to solved on it's own. If I had to replace the psu, it won't be possible as it is a proprietary device.
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My used HP Z420 Zeon E5 1620, c/w 2 x 1TB HHD, Win 7 to Win 10, bought in Aug 2020, upgrade ram to 32GB, to 512GB SSD , add used Nvidia FX5800 and fans for about £490, this workstation mainly for normal web use, NO GAME, Happy with it, still using it everyday 24/7 👍👍😁😁
Thanks for sharing 👍
Window 11 compatible? For Intel requires 8th generation?
I said its not compatible
I've bought 3 refurbished DELL PCs over the last ten years (2 laptops and a tower) and they're still chugging away with various family members for their basic Office/web tasks. The only modifications I made was additional 500gb SSDs in the DVD bays and 8gb memory.
Alas, none of these PCs are Win 11 compliant so I will have to start again🤨
You can use pirated versions of 11 with skiped tpm 2.0 and secure boot checks or make your own 11 using rufus. They work great on old hardware even more than 10 years old, with the addition of ssd and more ram.
Dell is like Toyota in the pc matket, they make products that last for years if you tech wise. I know what you mean!
Hot take:
I'm a Full Charge Bookkeeper who recently started working from home. I needed a new-to-me PC that could outperform the hand-me-down laptop i was using to drive 3 monitors, a printer, and Dragon Naturally Speaking.
For less then $100 I'm rocking a i7-6700 with a GTX 350. Heck yeah.
Question: What about as a HomeLab Router? - That's a different use-case, but seems like decent specs.
My PC is 12 years old, it was previously used in a work environment, and I have had very little issues with it, but next time I buy a PC, I would rather get a custom, for more power. My PC is a HP, so it also suffers from proprietary problems and I don't know if I could case swap it. It can have a more powerful GPU but my PSU needs to be upgraded. It can have up to 3 hard drives in it. My machine was worth about $300 when I bought it, but it had a faulty hard drive and a bad CR 2032 battery (both have been replaced ever since), and I do not know how good the PSU is, it seems to run fine, but I don't know if it needs replacing.
These older refurbished pcs are more than capable and a great value for basic all-around use, word processing, surfing, security camera setups, etc. I have several, including a tiny form factor one and I love them. For Autocad or AAA games, get something newer.
Heck yeaa I’m using an HP mini PC, it’s 7th gen i3 with just 8GB of RAM but it can run any fruit machine in MFME I can throw at it 😀
I've been running these refurbed dells for years no problems too speak of
i bought my dad a refurbished mini PC by hp but all he does is web browsing and its super small takes up no space unlike these old office PCs. I floated around for years the idea of buying one of these and upgrading it. Not worth it.
Thanks for sharing
You're first mistake is looking at ancient hardware - going refurb can save you tons of money, and get you better hardware with better support.. The trick to is to look at stuff 2-3 years old, such as the Optiplex 5080 or 7080's and onwards (which as 10th Gen)... eBay is flooded with them, as businesses refresh every 2-3 years, in addition, these units typical have quite a bit of warranty left in them (which is tied to the Machine, not the original owner), and also its usually "ProSupport" which means an engineer comes to you!
In the last years i bought an HP zBook and a HP z400, i have few issues. Maybe the pro components make the differences. I bought from a pro resseler that refurbish them, of course i paid a Little more than ebay
They can get pricey
@@Britec09 yes, but in the long run It could be a Better choice
A good buy if you can upgrade the parts...but the upgrade cost may be more than buying a new one.
Not for gaming, but excellent and reliable for mundane tasks if the price is right,
run your ham radio shack with it, surf the web, watch videos, run office, basic web & graphic photo editing, coding
your mother/papa/grandma will love it, save your money, and buy super reliable Xeon based business machine at a great price!
Its finding a good one at cheap prices, that sadly is very hard in UK
Both my desktops are ex business PC's, one I use every day and the other is used to watch on demand video in bed on a night. Together both cost less than £300 and I delete the browsing history every couple of days, they are still as fast as when I first bought them, one in July 2019 and the second in May 2022. I bought mine from a company called Bargain hardware and you can even have Linux installed on them.
With new, you get WARRANTY with the extra money you spend, and the hardware is in pristine condition. With used, you get no guarantee, and you have no idea what was done with it, and the lifespan is sure to be shortened. With important parts like motherboard, GPU, CPU , PSU, storage, etc, buy new.
It does not sound like a good idea to ever buy a used pc, unless you want a it for very basic purposes. With that said, I'm happy for anyone who has had no problems with second hand computer purchases.
Cool!
Thanks
i got one for 60gbp with a e3-1245 v5 (the equivilant of a i7 7700)
it was a full pc with windows 11 installed
and a ssd
it had a fire fox w5100 but I ordered a Soyo rx6600m from Ali Express for 70gbp including tax
Yes, but I wouldn’t buy one for gaming without doing a motherboard swap (Northwood to Haswell). There are other operating systems that make these a decent purchase.
I saw an 11% CPU performance improvement with Debian over Windows 10 on my intel laptop. Definitely worth it over Windows 11 if you don't use windows-only software regularly
Good video however not everyone is a gamer my friend. Many people just need a decent replacement for a really old machine that limps along on Windoze 10 or perhaps a second system for home or schoolwork. Retired business-class workstations can serve well beyond the typical consumer-class system, and are far more reliable as they have much better components. It depends what the use-case is for said system really. Gaming? No, probably not. Home/office/student use? Definitely.
DO NOT BUY EX BUSINESS COMPUTERS - the main reason is proprietary hardware and software required if you need to repair or replace components. I know from personal experience just how much trouble they are.
Ex server PC's are a very different kettle of fish however.
I agree, not worth the money or hassle
Even the PC cases can be proprietary design
That is correct
Around my area, there's very little interest in PC's. The smart phones are the rage. If you ask the local citizenry, "Do you Have a Computers?". They have a blank stare and then you would have to explain the word "Computer" to them. I've no idea as to what kind of "technology" courses the local schools offer. There just isn't any interest in Information Technology! And Why would there be the job market is horrible. So whatever old workstation is not a bad investment as it wouldn't see much use anyways. Folks, we're way past the post PC era (read history).
Good points. A CPU from 2015 is pretty slow compared to one released in 2021-2023. Even with an SSD, it won't be as fast as a new PC. And of course, Windows 11 doesn't support Intel CPUs older than the 8th generation. Therefore it is not worth buying older systems
This situation is relative. You can even use computers that are 20 years old in Linux for a purpose.If you are going to use it for gaming, of course, it will not work very well, but if you want to set up a server in your home or if you are going to use it for firewall purposes, yes it will worth.
Thanks
Brian just said that!
I think windows is going to get the boot before my hardware does.
Mine came with i5 7500 and 32gb ram ddr4
no support for Windows 11 I'm sorry but you're wrong I have one of these and I've installed Windows 11 it now I do agree that a new build is the better way to go especially considering that current generation CPUs are more powerful and more energy efficient but it depends on use case these older systems are excellent starting points for setting up a home lab or using them as a file server
yes i sold those i had few of them
The micro OptiPlex's are fun though. Different can of worms however.
I see in UK high price for used business pc. I bought 5 units in Lithuania for 70 € per set, PC i5-7500 , HDD500GB, RAM Samsung 8GB 2xRank 2133MHz, MB MSI m-ATX 110m eco +keyboard +mouse +IPS monitor 24'. 3 I make for games. Extra cost - new case DeepCool 33€+GPU XFX RX580 140€ + SATA SSD 500GB 30€ + PSU 700W Xsilence 42€ + 1 extra no name vent RGB 10€. To make dual channels I transfer RAM from other units. 😂 3 kids is too expensive to build full new! And must be the same to avoid troubles 😂
Yeah, UK prices are just silly and not worth buying
@@Britec09 anyway I am fully agree that new is new, and do not believe in upgrading 😃. My own system i7-8700k OC 5 GHz + RTX 2080 and no sense to upgrade to i9 because second hand still cost more than 300 €. I bought gpu RTX4070 and will test bottle neck, looks like I need new platform 😉
To improve it, simply remove the components and replace the RAM ,video card, motherboard, and power supply . Keep the case as it is.
That would then cost more than a new pc
So basically just buy a Dell case. LOL
I’m thinking about uploading another video on my Ryzenplex to show how I added fans for some airflow, nothing groundbreaking. Some of us prefer the minimalist look of these cases.
TPM Chip is required for Win11 and consider Win10 end of life support which is Sometime in 2025. If you get a cheaper old system that doesn't have a TPM chip you will need to replace to keep your PC secure by moving to Win11 when Win10 support stops.
Except you can bypass the TPM check. Although if anything, business machines are actually likely to have TPM by default as they're the ones that actually use it.
Funny thing, all the system was comply to the win11 requirements exept processor i5-7500 😉 and I bypass it with RUFUS software. Microsoft accept it and I receiving all updates for win11 till now.
Depends if you want viralware Windows 11 though doesn't it, I'm using Windows 10, which is slightly less viralware, but it will be my last Windows as my daily driver, I'm not playing Microsoft's tracking, forcing you to create and online account, and cloud game, I like my stuff local and private thanks Microsoft. Long term I will go Linux.
Most of the time systems like this have alot of proprietary components which aren't easily upgradable. This alone would put me off
I agree
Well for my money Brian it isn't worth the trouble and as you say you are going to end up with a large paper weight when Windows 10 stops being supported. So the dollars you spend on one of these I would save a little extra (unless you are desperate) and get a new machine. As matter of interest there are quite a few companies that will let you customise one of their builds and that is the way I would go when my Ivy Bridge gives up the ghost while running an unsupported hardware version of Windows 11pro. Oh and I wait for your daily videos every day I find you just as clever as you were way back in Windows 7 days😉
Buying a used office PC is fine for web browsing and email but not gaming. Be aware come 2025 Windows 10 will cease with updates so even web and emailing will not be safe. In my opinio if one is using fanxiang Nvme drives you darn well be doing regular backups for when that NvME drive packs it in. Forget warranty coverage because that drive will have to sent back to China and that is going to cost more than what you paid for that drive. You will simply toss that out if its past the Amazon return period. These days well known brand name NvME are cheap and offer warranty at least here in N America.
I agree, was using that as an example for cheapness like others would.
Not in Australia since it will most likely be dell with propreitary parts and dreadful specs.
Dell are some of the best. LOL
@@FlyboyHelosim lol indeed
Screw it imma just put linux on my hp ex office pc
which distro?
Any question asked like this is always no.
Dell sucks, working in IT support have seen more crap hardware failures from Dell and Lenovo compared to HP
such a pc would only be apealing as a video pc hidden behind my tv or something else not going to bother
Those are really awful prices for parts stripped dells
Never more a used or refurbished laptop or pc. It was a disaster
They are for most people
@@Britec09 They are scammed me
It's not worth it. You can buy a used Ryzen 5 3600 based system for the same money, and get a better performing machine.
it's fine for 60 😁
What's with all you guys fascination with overclocking and gaming graphics? I want to watch videos, do email, etc., etc. Games are for children.
Exactly. So many fantastic machines are looked over because of their lack of gaming performance.
Using for Linux
So your list mean nothing
linux is a lifesaver for old pc's
I Love my Dell Optiplex with its Windows 7 Pro. Plays all my old games @Brtitec09. It's not connected to the internet though.
Thank you.
You're welcome!