I'm sure there are good ones, but unfortunately I've seen close to a dozen built or purchased complete WC ARs that had issues out of box or before the first 200rds. I never looked for them for ARs, but like other companies that do well in one area, branching out increases sales, but usually effects qc somewhere
100 percent I agree, one of my favorite companies to deal with hands down is anderson manufacturing their customer service is some of the best I have ever experienced in my experience with the firearms industry
They say on their website exactly what size wrench to use. On their website it says "Crowsfoot wrench 1-3/16" x 3/8" thick". That IS customer service. They made a barrel nut that accepts a common size of commercial crowsfoot. I do not own a single Wilson combat product but your whole issue with this was that you didn't read the description on their website for this product and if you had you'd know this doesn't use a dumb armorers wrench but just a common open ended crowsfoot wrench that is available anywhere tools are sold. Geissele also does not include a barrel nut wrench. A lot of manufacturers don't. There is a reason. It's because dealers very commonly buy parts and especially handguards and then assemble them in their shops and sell them as assembled uppers. If they include a wrench with every single handguard those dealers end up with hundreds of wrenches they don't use. Instead, they explicitly state on their website that you will need a wrench and what size you will need. IMO, that's better than charging me $5 more for a wrench that I may already own. This is a very silly issue to have with a company and then at the end of the video you literally shill for one of the companies with the worst QC in the entire AR market? What are you smoking dude? They have a good reason for no QD slots too. BCM also doesn't include QD slots. Geissele does but they now have steel inserts. Geee, I wonder if that's a hint as to why most good AR manufacturers are moving away from machined QD slots? Perhaps its because the sling QD's rely on steel ball bearings and steel wears aluminum down? Plus the machined QD slots are in a set location that may or may not be where you want/need them. You spent $1500 on a nice rifle and you're complaining about a $5 wrench that they told you up front you would need to get. A wrench that you could get from Home Depot...you then went out of your way to use an armorers wrench which was the wrong tool for the barrel nut even though they told you to use a regular crescent wrench crowsfoot. Dude, have you ever worked on anything other than a few AR15s? Do you change your own motor oil? Cuz it sounds like you seriously lack common sense. I'm legitimately baffled by this video lmfao.
First of all, I didn't order this handguard from wilson second of all the website in which I ordered the handguard thru was from a 3rd party distribution of wilson combat was not listed that the handguard didn't come with a barrel nut wrench. Yes it's frustrating with a 1500 dollar rifle I assembled didn't come with a 5 dollar barrel nut wrench what's your point that was the entire point of the video. So you missed that one off in left field. So much like your comment you missed the point Have a great day
@@BendingBallistics No, I didn't miss the point at all. You're mad about nothing. They told you to use a crescent wrench(I'm sure they specified the size considering they do so on their website) that you can get at any store that sells tools and you still used some random armorers wrench even though it's literally the wrong tool in this case. Why? It's an open ended crowsfoot. You probably have the size you needed if you ever work on your car. They literally designed this so that you could install it with a normal ass wrench instead of having to buy a dumb armorers wrench that can only be used for one thing. That's a good engineering decision and you're mad cuz they didn't put the wrench in the box. Would you also be mad at Geissele for that? Their handguards are even more expensive. Nothing in this world is free--if they put a wrench in the box you're paying for that wrench. No manufacturer on earth can afford to throw in a free wrench, that would add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars if they put a wrench in the box at their own expense so you are paying for that wrench every time its in the box. It isn't free. They don't include the wrench. It says so on their website and it says what size you need. You should have at least checked their website before ordering it because that's basic research that you should do before spending so much money. You asked their customer service for a wrench and they were helpful and informed you that all you need is a normal, very common wrench that you probably have in your toolbox if you work on anything other than guns and you're mad about it? Why on earth would you be mad about it? Are you mad because they didn't include it "for free"? Because I assure you, the "free wrench" in the box is absolutely factored into the price of the handguard. You only perceive it to be free because it isn't an itemized bill. This is the dumbest complaint I've ever seen about any gun company and then for you to go on and advertise for Anderson is even more hilarious.
@armorers_wrench you do realize anderson is the oem for about 31 different ar companies correct. Tell me your not in the firearms industry with out telling me your not in the firearms industry
I built a Wilson Combat rifle as well. You are right. About the handguard barrel nut. It was an odd size. But I had a barrel nut wrench that was close. Used a small piece of brass as a shim. The only thing that isn’t Wilson combat is the barrel, gas block and gas tube. I want a standard rifle length gas system.
Im not a huge fan of bear creek however some of their stuff is cool. I'm not into brand bashing or budget shaming, I feel bear creek has their nitch market of budget. However I think bear creek could do better on quality control or customer service. Much like any company they all have their flaws
noveske has an intermediate gas tube that works very well
I'm sure there are good ones, but unfortunately I've seen close to a dozen built or purchased complete WC ARs that had issues out of box or before the first 200rds. I never looked for them for ARs, but like other companies that do well in one area, branching out increases sales, but usually effects qc somewhere
100 percent I agree, one of my favorite companies to deal with hands down is anderson manufacturing their customer service is some of the best I have ever experienced in my experience with the firearms industry
@@BendingBallistics Tell me you're getting paid without telling me you're getting paid.
@@armorers_wrench bless your heart
They say on their website exactly what size wrench to use. On their website it says "Crowsfoot wrench 1-3/16" x 3/8" thick". That IS customer service. They made a barrel nut that accepts a common size of commercial crowsfoot. I do not own a single Wilson combat product but your whole issue with this was that you didn't read the description on their website for this product and if you had you'd know this doesn't use a dumb armorers wrench but just a common open ended crowsfoot wrench that is available anywhere tools are sold.
Geissele also does not include a barrel nut wrench. A lot of manufacturers don't. There is a reason. It's because dealers very commonly buy parts and especially handguards and then assemble them in their shops and sell them as assembled uppers. If they include a wrench with every single handguard those dealers end up with hundreds of wrenches they don't use. Instead, they explicitly state on their website that you will need a wrench and what size you will need. IMO, that's better than charging me $5 more for a wrench that I may already own.
This is a very silly issue to have with a company and then at the end of the video you literally shill for one of the companies with the worst QC in the entire AR market? What are you smoking dude?
They have a good reason for no QD slots too. BCM also doesn't include QD slots. Geissele does but they now have steel inserts. Geee, I wonder if that's a hint as to why most good AR manufacturers are moving away from machined QD slots? Perhaps its because the sling QD's rely on steel ball bearings and steel wears aluminum down? Plus the machined QD slots are in a set location that may or may not be where you want/need them.
You spent $1500 on a nice rifle and you're complaining about a $5 wrench that they told you up front you would need to get. A wrench that you could get from Home Depot...you then went out of your way to use an armorers wrench which was the wrong tool for the barrel nut even though they told you to use a regular crescent wrench crowsfoot. Dude, have you ever worked on anything other than a few AR15s? Do you change your own motor oil? Cuz it sounds like you seriously lack common sense. I'm legitimately baffled by this video lmfao.
First of all, I didn't order this handguard from wilson second of all the website in which I ordered the handguard thru was from a 3rd party distribution of wilson combat was not listed that the handguard didn't come with a barrel nut wrench. Yes it's frustrating with a 1500 dollar rifle I assembled didn't come with a 5 dollar barrel nut wrench what's your point that was the entire point of the video. So you missed that one off in left field. So much like your comment you missed the point
Have a great day
@@BendingBallistics No, I didn't miss the point at all. You're mad about nothing. They told you to use a crescent wrench(I'm sure they specified the size considering they do so on their website) that you can get at any store that sells tools and you still used some random armorers wrench even though it's literally the wrong tool in this case. Why? It's an open ended crowsfoot. You probably have the size you needed if you ever work on your car. They literally designed this so that you could install it with a normal ass wrench instead of having to buy a dumb armorers wrench that can only be used for one thing. That's a good engineering decision and you're mad cuz they didn't put the wrench in the box. Would you also be mad at Geissele for that? Their handguards are even more expensive. Nothing in this world is free--if they put a wrench in the box you're paying for that wrench. No manufacturer on earth can afford to throw in a free wrench, that would add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars if they put a wrench in the box at their own expense so you are paying for that wrench every time its in the box. It isn't free.
They don't include the wrench. It says so on their website and it says what size you need. You should have at least checked their website before ordering it because that's basic research that you should do before spending so much money.
You asked their customer service for a wrench and they were helpful and informed you that all you need is a normal, very common wrench that you probably have in your toolbox if you work on anything other than guns and you're mad about it? Why on earth would you be mad about it? Are you mad because they didn't include it "for free"? Because I assure you, the "free wrench" in the box is absolutely factored into the price of the handguard. You only perceive it to be free because it isn't an itemized bill.
This is the dumbest complaint I've ever seen about any gun company and then for you to go on and advertise for Anderson is even more hilarious.
@armorers_wrench you do realize anderson is the oem for about 31 different ar companies correct. Tell me your not in the firearms industry with out telling me your not in the firearms industry
@@armorers_wrench no reply now?
I built a Wilson Combat rifle as well. You are right. About the handguard barrel nut. It was an odd size. But I had a barrel nut wrench that was close. Used a small piece of brass as a shim. The only thing that isn’t Wilson combat is the barrel, gas block and gas tube. I want a standard rifle length gas system.
I have to agree with you....
I reverse build. Many of Omni ATIs I got running n sold. Sorry to hear your pain, that sucks. I stay away from Bear Creek too...
Im not a huge fan of bear creek however some of their stuff is cool. I'm not into brand bashing or budget shaming, I feel bear creek has their nitch market of budget. However I think bear creek could do better on quality control or customer service. Much like any company they all have their flaws
@@BendingBallistics perfectly said brother 🙌
Wilson combat rifles I don't even think about. Bcm,DD, spikes, lmt are all better options than a rifle from a 1911 manufacturer
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