Episode 16: Damper Tuning Settings | The Insider's Guide to Project CARS 2
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- Episode sixteen of the Insider's Guide to Project CARS 2 series, providing useful hints and tips, will be taking a look at the next page of the Edit Tuning Setup menu, the Damper settings. We look through the various options and how you can fine tune these for further refinement of your Suspension settings and the overall balance and handling of the car.
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I just bought pCars 2 a week ago with my first wheel, the TMX Pro and T3PA pedals, and your videos are great especially the one about baseline setups.
Thank you for this series. It’s great 👍🏻
Watched this again after months and really helped me to understand more stuff. Especially the transition rates.
Great job breaking it down. May have to watch this video a couple more times to wrap my head around it, but finally have an understand in now of the rational for the changes, which helps a great deal. Thank you. Very well done!
This is such a great series. Its helped me so much in loads of different games.
This was a great big help for me to understand what is the key difference of function of fast & slow damper adjustment. Thank you. I hope i can finally really start tuning some good cars.
Glad it helped! Best of luck with your tuning.
Awesome video, this finally helped me get pole in LMP3 career @ Bathurst... 2.01 flat! I knew I had the speed but the suspension was just not dialled in... some more time playing with the dampers and boom im consistantly a sec quicker per lap!... Thanks again!
Thanks buddy for another awesome and extremely helpful video I’ve watched all the episodes in this series and your tips have helped massively I’m finding setting up my cars a lot easier now I understand certain settings and actually what they do I really appreciate your effort so thanks KPG-GOONER 👍👏
Thank you soo much for these videos !
They are absolutely fantastic, very much looking forward to the differential one :D
Thanx for all these videos, they helped me a lot with PC2. Really good job. TOP
Thank you so much for all those informative videos, they really help a lot!❤
Thanks Yorkie, Dampers is always a dark art. But we don't have to suffer.
I love The Insider's Guide Series keep up the good work man. I don't knoe why u don't have 250k subs.
I love his work too, I think the reason might be cause he rambles and sounds like he's had too much coffee or something. Sounds rushed. It makes it a real task to get your head around what he is saying.
The videos could be better planed with more structure and clearer explanation.
Maybe rather than doing the video in one take he should think about editing in short spurts.
Yep, there is a lot to dive trough. This series gives great depthful insight as i just bought pc2 on sale. What is cool is that the game has the Mitsubishi Lancer TME, which has the same chassis that the base models from 93 onwards all the way to the one before the 2f2f evo that they fucked everything up. And i have 4 of those base models on my yard, so setting up the car is actually simulation work, and your videos have been a great starting point in a new game.
Much more understanding! Thank you!
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Somewhat misleading...
The springs are meant to control the suspension travel and weight transfer of the car but springs tend to oscillate.
Thus the dampers main function is to manage the springs tendency to oscillate or the speed at which it compresses and extends.
Yes you're correct. But I don't find this any misleading. As those spring compressions are caused by either
A. the driver input
adjust slow bump -> balance with slow rebound
B. the road surface
adjust fast bump -> balance with fast rebound.
Nice one! 🏎💨🏁
Great Video as always Yorkie, one request can you get Jussi to update his video on his calculator. Great work.
I have been waiting for this video for quite some time. Great work explaining all of the the setups so detailed, Yorkie!
I just have a question, isn't the Bump Transition the transition from Fast to Slow Bump and not the opposite? , in another words..How fast the car settles down?
No, it goes from slow to fast.
Thanks for this series of videos, they are helping. Although this one is not clear at all, specially when talking about increasing a negative number or your case at Monza; didn't understand a word. Also, the videos could've been easily half the lenght they are. But still, thanks for the insight
This video made me go 6 seconds in faster Mount panorama in ACC thanks now I know how to fix losing the back on turns
haleluja praise the lord yorkie our set up savior,,, love ya videos love the fact you don't make me seem like thicky of the week trying to understand you.....you have helped me improve by almost a second cause I understand how to off set one change for another ...thanks for your work
I learnt a lot about setting suspension up from the first game but what's doing my head in is 4WD rallyx cars. Would appreciate some advice in this area regarding diff setup, can't seem to get to grips with it somehow to suit my driving style and why is there no centre diff on these cars or maybe they don't use them ? Keep up the good work, thanks.
Hi!
I love this series, all the videos are really helpful to understand the mechanics of the game. Sadly i can't enter into the forum of proyect cars and i can't download the suspension calculator. Do you know where can i find it?
Does damper transition setting work for cross transitions like fast bump to slow rebound or slow bump to fast rebound too?
At 8:39 you mentioned, that increasing the values will make them stiffer and react quicker. This section a bit confusing me. Is that means if the rebound is stiffer (higher values) the decompression is faster and more powerfull? I always tought that this value representing damping force during the decompression. This means to me that higher rebound values prevent to damper to extend (so the damper will react slower during the extension). Can you please confirm that or explain it to angain? If it works as you describing, I'm doing these setting wrong since project cars 1. Thank you
Bump stops depend on track. And they work inverse to how you explained it if you need more travel reduce bump stops less increase the stops. In a P2 car for example I use anywhere from 15mm to 40mm depending on the track
Also less bump stops are more for mechanical grip more is for aerodynamic grip.
The way i explained it is the same as your explanation, just worded differently. But yeah, it does depend a lot on the car and also the track.
Question, that suspension calculator, is there a version 4 smartphones?
When you say “increase” do you mean the absolute value or the actual value¿. For example if I go from -1100 to -1200 I am decreasing in terms of the value but the absolute value is lower
The rebound values are - signed because the spring is extending (releasing it's stored energy).
So a value of -1200 is stiffer rebound compared to a value of -1100.
Also a value of 1200 on the bump side is stiffer then a value of 1100 on the bump.
Hi bud any suggestions just for the dampeners for the AMG gt3 for monza? Can’t seem to find a decent setting bloody dampeners so confusing must have watched this 100 times lol
Very difficult to say without understanding what the car is doing in relation to your inputs and how it is handling over the curbs and bumps on the track. Will also depend on your suspension settings as well as they somewhat compliment each other.
Yorkie065 well suspension wise on springs one click up from default all round,camber default -3.2 all round, anti roll bar front is 160 rear is 40 that’s all I can remember off top of my head lol but like a stable car! Car don’t like the curbs or the bumpy straight lol
What's your take on calculators? I've had really good experiences with them. When you factor in motion ratios and corner weights I feel like dampers are impossible to get dialed quickly without tons of experience.
I really like Jussi's and use it a lot these days. It makes quite a difference and helps to iron out some of the issues a lot quicker than finger in the air adjustments which I used to do back in PC1.
Link?
Link to Jussi's calculator is in Yorkie's description of this video.
Ah, good, that's what I use.
Question if you don’t mind. What’s it mean it says “9000N/m/s” when in Project Cars 2?
So that is the measure of force, which is measured in Newton Metres per second.
Loving these videos yorkie, you're a life saver. But this game just frustrates me 80% of the time. I'm on Xbox and it seems like if i run more than 16 AI the car is undrivable and there is no grip, with tyres at either 20 or 120 degrees C, rendering the career mode useless. Yet i can go into private testing and have proper amounts of grip, tyres go straight up to 90 degrees, i set wicked times and have a blast. The live track 3.0 and tyre modeling sounds all lovely, but i feel it simply doesn't work properly on Xbox unless you're in private testing or running like 10 AI. Adding in another class of cars like LMP2s with GTEs also seems to turn the car into a toboggon.
You are correct, the OG XBOX just can't handle a full grid without the physics collapsing. I understand people with the XBOX X aren't experiencing this problem.
Warren Glad Yeah i can sometime get away with about 20-24 AI but usually i just end up sliding like i'm on ice :(
Warren i can at least play online though:)
Glad someone else's pointed this out, done some private testing and setup and happy with the cars handling, gone into a race, same car, same setup, same track, same conditions, car seems to handle slightly different, as if you're setup has not been loaded.
How do i use the susp calculator
Basically, basically, basically, basically... Basically.
I´ve downloaded the Suspension calculator in the link you gave , but i can´t run it in my pc, can someone tell a away to fix this please.
You need to use Microsoft Excel or OpenOffice. All the instructions of how to work it is in that first post of the thread.
@@Yorkie065 I've already figure it out how to use it, thanks bro
Nice video's, informative. What word is it that you keep saying "Germally" or something? Sorry English isn't my native language and i keep thinking you're saying 'Germany' lol.
The words is 'generally' haha.
Bit of a newbie on this, but if, for instance I'm adjusting front slow bump, should I be adjusting rear or front slow rebound to compliment? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Uhhm, not necessarily no. It depends on how much you're adjusting the dampers by. You'll want to adjust the two front dampers in unison and if adjusting individual dampers to give with an asymmetrical setup, not go too far from the other side. But if making small fine adjustments, you can do say just the slow bump or whatever it is you're adjusting to fix whatever issue it is that you have. Just don't go say madly stiff on the front but keep the rear soft, you've gotta tune and have the dampers reflect what you're doing with the suspension.
Thanks for the reply. It was more trying to dial out under steer on braking and turn in, so was stiffening the front slow bump and softening the rear slow rebound.
I'd be looking more at the coast ramp on the diff, the preload and possibly the overall suspension to solve that. Dampers are more to compliment the suspension and make sure the car handles bumps and the curb properly. You can do some finer tuning with the dampers for car balance, but it is pretty fine and marginal stuff rather than bigger more impactful changes.
Ok, that's great. Thanks for the advice mate.
Dampers don't work in PC2. Every time i try different variations - no results, car always feels the same.
They certainly do, just not in a massive way. What car you tunning for?
@@Yorkie065 At this moment I use Aston Martin GT3 but I tried different cars: GT, Road, Touring.
Ok, yeah the Aston requires quite stiff suspension and dampers to get the most out of it. The car doesn't feel particularly amazing on hard tyres anyway no matter what you do, with mid corner understeer and then power oversteer on exit. Check out my latest race video 'A Dramatic Online Tale' to see the latest setup I have for the Aston GT3. As for other cars, suspension is always going to be your first port of call for car feel. Dampers is more for fine tuning with how it responds to bumps and your driving, but they do make some differences when tuned right.
What are your settings for this car on the damping and why? Now you're just explaining what's more or less readable on the help section...
Entirely depends on the track, the conditions and the suspension settings that I have on the car. It's not a case of 1 set of settings fits all, they're different each time depending on the variables and the feeling of the car. There's an episode later in the series where I show you me creating a tuning setup for the M6 for an upcoming league race.
Yeah just watched it, was really informative.
wouldn't LESS suspension travel make the car more stiff and more sharp on corners? I'm so confused..... this seems to be rife with contradiction..... is it just un-intuitive?
I love the video but why do you keep saying "Germany" ?