Vesperia is still one of my favorite Tales of game, because it's one of the last to have a traditional beautiful world map. Also a LOT of interesting optional content (sadly need a guide for that ahah). 😁
@@WesDoesGamesTales of Innocence R and Tales of Hearts R are the only games newer than Vesperia with a world map. Ironically the original DS version of Tales of Hearts didn't have a world map. Other than those other JRPGs since the HD era with world maps (no remakes unless they added a world map) are Ni No Kuni, Ni No Kuni II,Dragon Quest IX,Dragon Quest XI,Final Fantasy The 4 Heroes of Light,Final Fantasy Type 0,Bravely Default, Bravely Second, Bravely Default II, Nostalgia, Star Ocean First Departure,Brave Story New Traveller, 7th Dragon,The Alliance Alive,I Am Setsuna,Lost Sphere,Blue Dragon and Arc Rise Fantasia. Even though I used the term HD era...most of those were on Wii,DS,3DS and PSP. PS considering you said you waited a decade to play this game, I assume you didn't have a 360....and yes not even Lost Odyssey had a world map.
@@ChelaximThe DS version of Hearts does have a world map, it gets unlocked later half of the game. It's strange that there's both a world map and separate field maps but yeah, it has one for sure.
I completely agree with everything you said. I still enjoyed Vesperia, but it’s the most overhyped game in the series. 30 hours of “I need to fix a fountain” isn’t going to result in a good story. I still can’t believe there’s people insisting it’s not only the best Tales game, but the best game period?? 😂😂😂
So I contest that Genis was not fun to play in Symphonia. If you play the Gamecube version, you could have Genis use Randomizer and abuse spell cancelling with guard to make him rain unlimited instant cast meteors. I think they removed this from the Playstation version which is pretty sad. For Collette, she is also busted since once you get the angel form you can abuse spell cancel to effectively give her an infinite. Sheena can also do the same thing. Similar to how Vesperia at a high level requires abusing free run cancel in the non-Xbox version, Symphonia you could cancel pretty much any animation with spell cast into guard which allows you to do some pretty hilarious stuff if you use it right.
I bought this game on the Switch because I’d heard it was really good. I got 10 hours into it and got frustrated because the story still hadn’t really ‘started’, the game’s difficulty spiked and the combat system apparently requires you to use an awkward exploit to get around the game’s really bad combo system. It’s one of the few games I just hard dropped because I didn’t want to deal with the bullshit.
30:55 I KNOW !! I KNOW !!! I KNOW THAT WAY TOO WELL !!! another thing that i absolutely HATED about this game is how it was presented to me as something deep and intriguing. i love it when you feel... you know... something deep inside of you when you get to know more about the story but ... this game... it lacked this part sooo much ! i was waiting for the shivers and NOTHING for a very long time. it was just plain and boring. In symphonia you'd always get a roller coaster of emotions to the point that i got my expectations too high for that game
In capua nor when Yuri trips the injured guy, perhaps the scene may have been unnecessary, but the way I see it is that Yuri sees that the guy is badly injured, and is running back in despite said injures which means he’ll most likely get himself killed if he goes in his current condition. So he trips him knowing that Estelle WILL jump in to heal him no questions which now gives him a much better chance if he still decides to go afterwards. As for him being a butt hole after Estelle heals him I think he was being tsundare (pardon my spelling if it’s incorrect) about basically telling them “Don’t worry about it” by helping them to come out of their high stressed tunnel vision for a moment to see how he might be able to help the situation. Don’t know if that’s what the developers were going for, but that’s my headcanon. 🤷🏿♂️
You did Repede dirty here. 1st he isn't a smoker. The pipe is a heirloom from the owner before Yuri. It is a lovely quirk of Repede to have something in his mouth. 2nd there is a movie with his, Flyns and Yuri's backstory. 3rd he is WAY smarter than just a dog. It is not 100% clear but the game make it look like he understand the human languge. 4th HE FIGHTS WITH A KNIFE. What "just a dog" does this ?
@@WesDoesGames He has quite a lot of dialogue. It is just mosty woofs. And yes he has no arc but you don't need an arc to have an interesting character that is more than just a dog.
The story was definitely the biggest turn off for me. I loved the combat and Yuri but holy heck I was STRUGGLING to care about the world. Yeah, Symphonia and Abyss have your typical Tales plot bloat but they have very high stakes from the outset. Vesperia was just one dumb task I didn’t care about after another and it’s paced REALLY weakly. “Hey Yuri, find the aque blastia! Oh but now here’s a mystery of who stole the tape measure? Oh! On the way to see the carpenter to get a new tape measure, I found that my boot’s heel fell off! Let’s just drop by the cobbler, oh drats! He needs a tape measure too! Oh well let’s find the tape measure first.” THIS IS LITERALLY THE FIRST 30 HOURS OF THIS GAME.
58:43 dude thank you for this explanation. i really hate how this concept, that certainly had great potential, was just poorly given at the very end of the game, thus not letting us the time to process the informations or understand its consequences deeply. that would've been awesome if, kind of like colette having to sacrifice herself to regenerate the world, estelle also came up earlier with this kind of dilema instead of just "i use too much aer and happen to cross path with a guy that wanted to use it for evil so now better kms".
this video was amazing dude. that hour went by so quickly. 🙏 hoping for a similar video for Symphonia even though this one looks like it took crazy man hours
Started watching this video because the game is on sale on switch and i dont really know if it will be for me (having played Berseria alone), but your humour got me paying attention, then your use of game sounds/music (mischief makers specifically) hooked me, and its a sealed deal for your video editing and analysis. Great video!
Great video and I really like your style. I played this game many times and never realize how underdeveloped the story was until you point out some holes. My only criticism is the constant change of music. I'm at work and listening to this, so when the music changes every 20 seconds, it get a little disorienting. I also imagine it's a pain trying to find the tracks and cutting them down is time consuming.
man i really appreciated the gameplay but gosh the game itself was a paaaaaaaiiiiin so yeah i feel good hearing someone criticize the flaws of that game that i was sold to as the "perfect game" like man my expectations were too high because of how overrated it is and then it was the biggest dissapointment EVER. i still enjoyed some dinamics between certain characters but otherwise i felt like many character were straight up BORING (talking to you judith and raven)
the game took soo long to start and when you fight alexei i thought it was like... the middle on the game only ! turns out we were near the end ! pff...
I never mind the story, it only make sense if you explore the world. There's secret dungons and towns in the game, and exploring gives you side story and more about you team and the people you help.. Patty is my Ares sigh, i love her and if it wasn't for me flying around i wouldn't find her most broken move period Critical Moment, it really help with the Duke fights exspeclly the third one, we just hit him with burst and mystic arts.. The game is fun and I don't mind play it again...
I don't mind a story that's aided by supplemental reading, but if it requires it for the story to make sense then that's bad writing to me. I like Patty too. Her popping out of the shark was probably my favorite moment of the game
"Karol dresses up" Yup this is what the script in this scene says. I get it A good punch at the vatican is always the right choice Also screw the side quests in this game. So many time gated things that essentially playing with a guide is recommended
I'm 16 now and I was born in 2007 I am glad to have found out about the tales of series and I want to explore more but I'd have to buy new consoles, I will try to get old gen consoles so that I can get more tales of games and play co-op
So as a fan of both symphonia and vesperia you're giving symphonia too much credit for the tales series usually the first portion of the game is an excuse to explore the world by the end of the journey of regeneration you've done almost nothing but learn of the existence of another world destroyed a town and learned the church and many of it's beliefs may be a sham. Yuri meanwhile isn't just going after a water filter the aqua blastia literally makes water for the lower quarter which aside from the barrier is their only luxury hanks even says they'll get the runs if they get water from the river so you're still accomplishing something unlike games like zesteria symphonia and even beseria to an extent where you kinda accomplish nothing
I hear what you're saying, but on a grand storytelling level, preventing people from getting the cha-chas just doesn't satisfy my epic journey itch, lol
Vesperia is probably my least fav game in the series(that i have played) i find the combat kinda clunky and janky, if that makes sense, and the dungeons seem padded, with too much empty space. Also, moving in the overworld is bad, until you get that item that increases your speed everywhere
I didnt expect anyone to actually reply, tbh. But speaking of those jrps, it's been a while since I last played on the ps5. So it's been awhile since I last played vesperia(again), Zestrilia and symphonia remastered(which I got from the streaming service) Same with Arise, and I actually own a physical copy on xbox. I just been focused on other games at the moment(primarily Sonic) Also, I have only beat Arise and Vesperia, in 2023 and 2021.
@@Tuffalixar I don't know, since I never played the full game of Berseria, but tbh, I would want to form my own opinion, likely after playing it 👍. So I have no opinions. Besides, that is what I usually do. My opinion(s) wouldn't had been genuine otherwise. I hope what I said makes sense.
oh yeah speaking of the characters from tales of symphonia i couldnt play as lloyd since i kept dying with him in melee range so i always played sheena or colette
I always thought Vesperia was a enhanced version of Symphonia, both in gameplay and side content. I feel this two games are very similar but Vesperia has a more deep gameplay and way more side content.
@@WesDoesGames After watching your video two times this week, i must admit... the story sound pretty dumb after you highlight the absurdity of some situations 😂 I don't realized it when i played the game back in 2009 and even after spending 200 hours on the Definitive Edition. I guess the gameplay and the side content make up for it. Also, i don't know if you have done the majority of the side content but, this game is litteraly filled to the brim with obscure and easy-to-miss sidequests, on top of being completely unavailable after passing a certain point in the story (bonus point for the Brionac quest 🥲). Some quests are nearly impossible to find and complete without a guide.
@@welkingunther8619 I'm flattered you'd watch it twice! Yeah I gotta say I wasn't able to find a ton of side quests naturally (I'm also very oblivious). Nice username BTW. I plan on making a Valkyria Chronicles vid in the future
@@WesDoesGames Haha thanks, well i'm a old french tactical RPG player so your videos speak to me a lot. I like your point of view, it feels refreshing and helped me to gain some hindsight after playing those games for hundred of hours. Looking forward for your Valkyria Chronicles video 😄
cool video. Quite nicely pointed out all the problems i have with the " story". Story is not Tales forte and this one is specially erratic and "episodic" feeling. Lost some points when you said you like Yuri.
I still lean a lot towards Symphonia as my favorite, but Arise actually crept up quite a bit for me. Though...despite having Vesperia quite literally marked down on my backlog spreadsheet...I haven't gotten to it yet...ugh..but I really want to.
Man.. the CZcams algorithm is honestly the worst. I literally searched "Tales of retrospective" a few days ago and of course this video was completely absent despite my obsessive scrolling... I only found it by checking out your channel after your Engage video. Awesome video, fuck CZcams.
Thanks for taking the time to search it out. Yeah, ever since CZcams switched from "show the results of what you search for" to "show you results we think you want to see" it's been hard to rank properly
tales of Vesperia story is mid i like the first third with the Justice contrast kinda like a superman and batman thing going on, 2nd third kinda mid, and the last third kinda dragged and boring but it makes up for interesting characters...the story is better for those who looks for dialogue and hidden stuff. but honestly i rather Tales of Vesperia story then Tales of Zesteria, Berseria, Arise...Zesteria is interesting but the way they present is bland and makes the story boring characters are fine, berseria i just cant stand Velvets arc for lack of better word "Sasuke complex" is kinda irritating from no emotion to constantly angry all the time, Arise well is pretty to look at and it kempt my attention but thats it, nothings really interesting for me to learn more. So i cant agree with Vesperia being the worst story ever, i have seen alot worse. tho i prefer Tales of Symphonia but i think Tales of Vesperia is the most definitive Tales game i ever played
This video is the weirdest mix of level headed critqiue and the most bizarre, pointless, almost made-up sounding complaints. Im equally shocked thst people say this is the best tales game as i am with how insane someone of your opinions are. *karol is one of the worst characters ever. His design alone completely ruins this game.
Thanks for your honesty. I put 20 hours into this game and quit because I just couldn't get into it. And I've spent YEARS confused about how people think this is a great Tales game lol. So thanks for the perspective
Coming from someone who also hated it back when I first played it, i'd say to give it some time. You'll hear that Vesperia gets a lot better in New Game+ (namely since you don't spend half the game without half the things that make the combat feel better) and while I certainly can't disagree with that statement, I also think that once you adjust to what the game expects of you, it can be a fun time. While I still wouldn't call it one of my favorites, it definitely feels like one of those RPGs that you need to let settle before it starts to make sense.
Yuri was not a dude for the people he told Estelle to let an injured man die told her it was dumb to heal him. He was injured by monsters trying to fight for the guild. He is a huge prick.
for me its symphonia that i like more, zestiria wasnt that good and i found myself hating the gameplay more than the story which usually i like the gameplay more than the story however graces f is my 3rd favorite
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Vesperia is still one of my favorite Tales of game, because it's one of the last to have a traditional beautiful world map. Also a LOT of interesting optional content (sadly need a guide for that ahah). 😁
I do appreciate the optional content. I haven't really played the newer Tales games, sad to hear the world maps are gone 😢
@@WesDoesGamesTales of Innocence R and Tales of Hearts R are the only games newer than Vesperia with a world map. Ironically the original DS version of Tales of Hearts didn't have a world map.
Other than those other JRPGs since the HD era with world maps (no remakes unless they added a world map) are Ni No Kuni, Ni No Kuni II,Dragon Quest IX,Dragon Quest XI,Final Fantasy The 4 Heroes of Light,Final Fantasy Type 0,Bravely Default, Bravely Second, Bravely Default II, Nostalgia, Star Ocean First Departure,Brave Story New Traveller, 7th Dragon,The Alliance Alive,I Am Setsuna,Lost Sphere,Blue Dragon and Arc Rise Fantasia.
Even though I used the term HD era...most of those were on Wii,DS,3DS and PSP.
PS considering you said you waited a decade to play this game, I assume you didn't have a 360....and yes not even Lost Odyssey had a world map.
@@Chelaxim first time playing it, never owned an Xbox of any type
@@ChelaximThe DS version of Hearts does have a world map, it gets unlocked later half of the game. It's strange that there's both a world map and separate field maps but yeah, it has one for sure.
I completely agree with everything you said. I still enjoyed Vesperia, but it’s the most overhyped game in the series. 30 hours of “I need to fix a fountain” isn’t going to result in a good story. I still can’t believe there’s people insisting it’s not only the best Tales game, but the best game period?? 😂😂😂
Wow I guess I’m the only one who likes this this story the best😂
23:55 Yuri knows she will heal the already injured guy. By tripping him it both stops him and gives her an excuse to heal him.
That's a good take, I think that makes sense
You keep calling patty a bonus character. But it's the opposite. She was designed for the original release but her entire story was cut due to time.
Thanks for the correction
So I contest that Genis was not fun to play in Symphonia. If you play the Gamecube version, you could have Genis use Randomizer and abuse spell cancelling with guard to make him rain unlimited instant cast meteors. I think they removed this from the Playstation version which is pretty sad. For Collette, she is also busted since once you get the angel form you can abuse spell cancel to effectively give her an infinite. Sheena can also do the same thing. Similar to how Vesperia at a high level requires abusing free run cancel in the non-Xbox version, Symphonia you could cancel pretty much any animation with spell cast into guard which allows you to do some pretty hilarious stuff if you use it right.
I bought this game on the Switch because I’d heard it was really good. I got 10 hours into it and got frustrated because the story still hadn’t really ‘started’, the game’s difficulty spiked and the combat system apparently requires you to use an awkward exploit to get around the game’s really bad combo system.
It’s one of the few games I just hard dropped because I didn’t want to deal with the bullshit.
I also couldn’t stand the pirate child. She felt like such a non-sequitor every time she showed up.
The story wont get better but the combat. It just hard to get into the game at the start.
30:55 I KNOW !! I KNOW !!! I KNOW THAT WAY TOO WELL !!! another thing that i absolutely HATED about this game is how it was presented to me as something deep and intriguing. i love it when you feel... you know... something deep inside of you when you get to know more about the story but ... this game... it lacked this part sooo much ! i was waiting for the shivers and NOTHING for a very long time. it was just plain and boring. In symphonia you'd always get a roller coaster of emotions to the point that i got my expectations too high for that game
In capua nor when Yuri trips the injured guy, perhaps the scene may have been unnecessary, but the way I see it is that Yuri sees that the guy is badly injured, and is running back in despite said injures which means he’ll most likely get himself killed if he goes in his current condition. So he trips him knowing that Estelle WILL jump in to heal him no questions which now gives him a much better chance if he still decides to go afterwards. As for him being a butt hole after Estelle heals him I think he was being tsundare (pardon my spelling if it’s incorrect) about basically telling them “Don’t worry about it” by helping them to come out of their high stressed tunnel vision for a moment to see how he might be able to help the situation. Don’t know if that’s what the developers were going for, but that’s my headcanon. 🤷🏿♂️
That does seem to be reaching a little bit but I can appreciate the unique perspective on that scene
You did Repede dirty here.
1st he isn't a smoker. The pipe is a heirloom from the owner before Yuri. It is a lovely quirk of Repede to have something in his mouth.
2nd there is a movie with his, Flyns and Yuri's backstory.
3rd he is WAY smarter than just a dog. It is not 100% clear but the game make it look like he understand the human languge.
4th HE FIGHTS WITH A KNIFE. What "just a dog" does this ?
Lol Repede is cool but he has no dialogue or story arcs or anything
@@WesDoesGames He has quite a lot of dialogue. It is just mosty woofs. And yes he has no arc but you don't need an arc to have an interesting character that is more than just a dog.
@@WesDoesGames Also I just understand the bait worked. 👍
This vid was uploaded on my 19th birthday(10/12) which i found kinda interesting
Happy (late) birthday!
@@WesDoesGamestysm!!! 🥰👍
*REPEDE!*
He's the goodest boy, I am also hairy and love smoking stuff so i relate.
Lol
The story was definitely the biggest turn off for me. I loved the combat and Yuri but holy heck I was STRUGGLING to care about the world.
Yeah, Symphonia and Abyss have your typical Tales plot bloat but they have very high stakes from the outset.
Vesperia was just one dumb task I didn’t care about after another and it’s paced REALLY weakly.
“Hey Yuri, find the aque blastia! Oh but now here’s a mystery of who stole the tape measure? Oh! On the way to see the carpenter to get a new tape measure, I found that my boot’s heel fell off! Let’s just drop by the cobbler, oh drats! He needs a tape measure too! Oh well let’s find the tape measure first.”
THIS IS LITERALLY THE FIRST 30 HOURS OF THIS GAME.
Abyss, man that whiny Luke annoyed the hell out of me 😂
58:43 dude thank you for this explanation. i really hate how this concept, that certainly had great potential, was just poorly given at the very end of the game, thus not letting us the time to process the informations or understand its consequences deeply. that would've been awesome if, kind of like colette having to sacrifice herself to regenerate the world, estelle also came up earlier with this kind of dilema instead of just "i use too much aer and happen to cross path with a guy that wanted to use it for evil so now better kms".
33:57 THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT !!!!
this video was amazing dude. that hour went by so quickly. 🙏 hoping for a similar video for Symphonia even though this one looks like it took crazy man hours
My favorite Tales game. Yuri is my favorite Protagonist. Oh no no no Repede is the best Dog in gaming history!.
40:19 You don't get to fast travel but you get to stay in the overworld and it significantly cuts the travel time
I was looking for the longest time of a an in-depth retrospective on my favorite rpg,so glad i found this
Started watching this video because the game is on sale on switch and i dont really know if it will be for me (having played Berseria alone), but your humour got me paying attention, then your use of game sounds/music (mischief makers specifically) hooked me, and its a sealed deal for your video editing and analysis. Great video!
Thanks man, I'm glad you liked it
I hate how right you are but gosh darn it, do I love this game!
Great video and I really like your style. I played this game many times and never realize how underdeveloped the story was until you point out some holes. My only criticism is the constant change of music. I'm at work and listening to this, so when the music changes every 20 seconds, it get a little disorienting. I also imagine it's a pain trying to find the tracks and cutting them down is time consuming.
I appreciate the feedback! Ill try to make the next one less spazzy, haha
@@WesDoesGames
I appreciated the “Arrested Development piano ” anytime anything related to fatherhood or your son came up.
Classic.
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It amazed me how this game looked so fluid on the Switch. Too bad Symphonia couldn't get this same treatment. I never played the original version.
I only ever played Vesperia on switch too and I agree, it looks amazing
Love the Mischief Makers reference.
man i really appreciated the gameplay but gosh the game itself was a paaaaaaaiiiiin so yeah i feel good hearing someone criticize the flaws of that game that i was sold to as the "perfect game" like man my expectations were too high because of how overrated it is and then it was the biggest dissapointment EVER.
i still enjoyed some dinamics between certain characters but otherwise i felt like many character were straight up BORING (talking to you judith and raven)
the game took soo long to start and when you fight alexei i thought it was like... the middle on the game only ! turns out we were near the end ! pff...
While i'm not super familiar with this game, your presentation and humor have me hooked. Awesome work on this!
That means alot friend
I *loathed* Vesperia's storyline. Berseria's plot was so much more satisfying.
I'll be checking out Berseria soon!
@@WesDoesGames Awesome! I hope you enjoy it. =D
I never mind the story, it only make sense if you explore the world. There's secret dungons and towns in the game, and exploring gives you side story and more about you team and the people you help.. Patty is my Ares sigh, i love her and if it wasn't for me flying around i wouldn't find her most broken move period Critical Moment, it really help with the Duke fights exspeclly the third one, we just hit him with burst and mystic arts.. The game is fun and I don't mind play it again...
I don't mind a story that's aided by supplemental reading, but if it requires it for the story to make sense then that's bad writing to me.
I like Patty too. Her popping out of the shark was probably my favorite moment of the game
"Karol dresses up"
Yup this is what the script in this scene says.
I get it
A good punch at the vatican is always the right choice
Also screw the side quests in this game.
So many time gated things that essentially playing with a guide is recommended
11 years just to play one game is so silly (my mom bought me tales of vesperia for the 360 when i had a 360 in like 2015-2017
I'm 16 now and I was born in 2007 I am glad to have found out about the tales of series and I want to explore more but I'd have to buy new consoles, I will try to get old gen consoles so that I can get more tales of games and play co-op
Symphonia is worth a buy and if you can get Abyss that's good too
@@WesDoesGamesyes
the dek wapon who destroy barrier is stteal from xillia with the lance of kresinic and the schusim
So as a fan of both symphonia and vesperia you're giving symphonia too much credit for the tales series usually the first portion of the game is an excuse to explore the world by the end of the journey of regeneration you've done almost nothing but learn of the existence of another world destroyed a town and learned the church and many of it's beliefs may be a sham. Yuri meanwhile isn't just going after a water filter the aqua blastia literally makes water for the lower quarter which aside from the barrier is their only luxury hanks even says they'll get the runs if they get water from the river so you're still accomplishing something unlike games like zesteria symphonia and even beseria to an extent where you kinda accomplish nothing
I hear what you're saying, but on a grand storytelling level, preventing people from getting the cha-chas just doesn't satisfy my epic journey itch, lol
Vesperia is probably my least fav game in the series(that i have played) i find the combat kinda clunky and janky, if that makes sense, and the dungeons seem padded, with too much empty space. Also, moving in the overworld is bad, until you get that item that increases your speed everywhere
Berseria combat is more boring, trust
I didnt expect anyone to actually reply, tbh.
But speaking of those jrps, it's been a while since I last played on the ps5. So it's been awhile since I last played vesperia(again), Zestrilia and symphonia remastered(which I got from the streaming service)
Same with Arise, and I actually own a physical copy on xbox. I just been focused on other games at the moment(primarily Sonic)
Also, I have only beat Arise and Vesperia, in 2023 and 2021.
@@Tuffalixar I don't know, since I never played the full game of Berseria, but tbh, I would want to form my own opinion, likely after playing it 👍. So I have no opinions. Besides, that is what I usually do. My opinion(s) wouldn't had been genuine otherwise. I hope what I said makes sense.
tales of vesperia has my second favorite story in the tales of series with tales of symphonia being my top favorite
oh yeah speaking of the characters from tales of symphonia i couldnt play as lloyd since i kept dying with him in melee range so i always played sheena or colette
To each his own I guess since I disagree with absolutely all your negative points, this game is a Gem 💎
Fair enough, I'm glad you got enjoyment out of it. I definitely loved the battle system and art style. I wish we got more of that in later Tales games
I always thought Vesperia was a enhanced version of Symphonia, both in gameplay and side content. I feel this two games are very similar but Vesperia has a more deep gameplay and way more side content.
If not for the story Vesperia would definitely be the better game. The combat was awesome in particular
@@WesDoesGames After watching your video two times this week, i must admit... the story sound pretty dumb after you highlight the absurdity of some situations 😂
I don't realized it when i played the game back in 2009 and even after spending 200 hours on the Definitive Edition.
I guess the gameplay and the side content make up for it.
Also, i don't know if you have done the majority of the side content but, this game is litteraly filled to the brim with obscure and easy-to-miss sidequests, on top of being completely unavailable after passing a certain point in the story (bonus point for the Brionac quest 🥲).
Some quests are nearly impossible to find and complete without a guide.
@@welkingunther8619 I'm flattered you'd watch it twice! Yeah I gotta say I wasn't able to find a ton of side quests naturally (I'm also very oblivious). Nice username BTW. I plan on making a Valkyria Chronicles vid in the future
@@WesDoesGames Haha thanks, well i'm a old french tactical RPG player so your videos speak to me a lot.
I like your point of view, it feels refreshing and helped me to gain some hindsight after playing those games for hundred of hours.
Looking forward for your Valkyria Chronicles video 😄
Honestly it sounds like you weren’t paying attention during the story
😅
cool video. Quite nicely pointed out all the problems i have with the " story". Story is not Tales forte and this one is specially erratic and "episodic" feeling.
Lost some points when you said you like Yuri.
Lol why don't you like Yuri?
What is your favorite Tales game and why?
I admittedly haven't played one yet.
I still lean a lot towards Symphonia as my favorite, but Arise actually crept up quite a bit for me.
Though...despite having Vesperia quite literally marked down on my backlog spreadsheet...I haven't gotten to it yet...ugh..but I really want to.
@@ZerbraxiVesperia was still worth playing despite how much I complained about it in the video lol. Nothing beats Symphonia as far as nostalgia goes
Vesperia is my fav Tales game. thanks for pooping on it
@@RockmanMegaX if you have a short list of other favorites I'd be happy to poop on those as well ;)
Great video as always, and appreciate the roast + toast combo too!
(Sorry I commented so late. Initially watched on a Roku box)
Thanks Jill!
Man.. the CZcams algorithm is honestly the worst. I literally searched "Tales of retrospective" a few days ago and of course this video was completely absent despite my obsessive scrolling... I only found it by checking out your channel after your Engage video. Awesome video, fuck CZcams.
Thanks for taking the time to search it out. Yeah, ever since CZcams switched from "show the results of what you search for" to "show you results we think you want to see" it's been hard to rank properly
@@WesDoesGames *takes deep breath* I know.. I've filed bug reports over it 😂 "what we think you want" is for feeds, search should be search.
Strange. I searched the same line and it was second.
tales of Vesperia story is mid i like the first third with the Justice contrast kinda like a superman and batman thing going on, 2nd third kinda mid, and the last third kinda dragged and boring but it makes up for interesting characters...the story is better for those who looks for dialogue and hidden stuff. but honestly i rather Tales of Vesperia story then Tales of Zesteria, Berseria, Arise...Zesteria is interesting but the way they present is bland and makes the story boring characters are fine, berseria i just cant stand Velvets arc for lack of better word "Sasuke complex" is kinda irritating from no emotion to constantly angry all the time, Arise well is pretty to look at and it kempt my attention but thats it, nothings really interesting for me to learn more. So i cant agree with Vesperia being the worst story ever, i have seen alot worse. tho i prefer Tales of Symphonia but i think Tales of Vesperia is the most definitive Tales game i ever played
Well that's a bummer to hear because those were the next three Tales games I planned on playing lol
@@WesDoesGames its just the story, for what they are it's not bad
This video is the weirdest mix of level headed critqiue and the most bizarre, pointless, almost made-up sounding complaints. Im equally shocked thst people say this is the best tales game as i am with how insane someone of your opinions are. *karol is one of the worst characters ever. His design alone completely ruins this game.
Lol. Which of my critiques did you disagree with?
Avocados?
This man needs more subs
Hear hear
Thanks for your honesty. I put 20 hours into this game and quit because I just couldn't get into it. And I've spent YEARS confused about how people think this is a great Tales game lol.
So thanks for the perspective
Gameplay wise it's great. The art style is beautiful... It has a lot of things going for it. It just has no story or plot
Coming from someone who also hated it back when I first played it, i'd say to give it some time. You'll hear that Vesperia gets a lot better in New Game+ (namely since you don't spend half the game without half the things that make the combat feel better) and while I certainly can't disagree with that statement, I also think that once you adjust to what the game expects of you, it can be a fun time. While I still wouldn't call it one of my favorites, it definitely feels like one of those RPGs that you need to let settle before it starts to make sense.
Yuri was not a dude for the people he told Estelle to let an injured man die told her it was dumb to heal him. He was injured by monsters trying to fight for the guild. He is a huge prick.
Yuri is one of the worst protagonists ever made.
Stop talking mess about zestiria it's the best tales.
for me its symphonia that i like more, zestiria wasnt that good and i found myself hating the gameplay more than the story which usually i like the gameplay more than the story however graces f is my 3rd favorite