Their commander werent even that shit They were decent But its their equipment By 1940 NONE of the italian guns has the capability to penetrate the matilda tank Which is the main reason why italian armored forces were overran The rest, dont have any mobility to retreat, thus destroyed With mussolini's intervention at bardia enaure the total destruction
@imreallynoob8311 The Semoventi da 75/18 could easily penetrate the Matilda with their EPS (pretty much HEAT) shots. There just weren't as many as there should've been
@@shinobirecords2018 that thing is impressive indeed, i is one of a few italian tanks that could competete with mid war allies tank, yet theres only a few of them But my point still stands as the 75/18 enters serviced in 1942 not 1940(as i stated), by then italian army started to do better, but it was already overshadowed by the germans
@@imreallynoob8311 1941, but yeah-definitely could've come earlier and in greater numbers. I think Italy would've had some truly formidable SPGs if they committed to them over 'proper' tanks they could barely handle before 1943
Respect for my Great-Grandfather who fought in North Africa for Italy, got shot in the Stomach but survived and went as a POW 2 times, 1 in Asia and 1 in Africa. He survived decades after the war but I unfortunately never met him 🫡
It was his way of fighting (classic prussian education favouring aggressiveness) he was an excellent field commander but a terrible staffer. What je needed to be successful was a proper logistics aide who would keep him in check. We cant forget also the quality of italian troops(majority of units fighting there)
Unless you had Dumbledore as a Logistics officer, it wouldn't have mattered. North Africa was constantly being interdicted by the British Navy and Airforce which makes Rommel's accomplishments even more impressive. Lastly, Rommel was correct in pursuing the allies in the leadup to El-Alamein. He knew that the axis would eventually be completely outmatched in terms of men and equipment, so if he could deal a decisive blow to them and maybe even reach Alexandria, he could cut off the Suez Canal and force the allies to fight him in Egypt where he could delay their entry into Europe for a while longer, while also complicating their supply efforts towards the pacific. Playing defensively, Rommel might as well have surrendered when he arrived. Offense wins wars. Especially when one side is outnumbered in every way.@@sagatlike3393
He was expecting Hitler to send reinforcements but the Eastern front kept heating up. They were stretched too thin in Africa, later unable to continue their campaign due to lack of supplies/fuel.
He's a terrible strategist. His whole plan in North Africa is for the entire Italian Army in Africa and German Africa Corps to take the entire Mediterranean Coast in Africa and drive all the way to Iraq. He was never gonna win.
Without Rommel's brilliance and strategic acumen, the North African campaign would likely have concluded much faster and in a more lopsided fashion. The administrative and logistical disparities between the two sides were immense, the Allied forces could draw from extensive bases and networks from middle east, India, and egypt through Britain's colonial and maritime supremacy, while the Axis forces had to fare with the Mediterranean naval and air fleet just to get war essentials accross
Rommel didn't coordinate with his higher-ups regarding the oncoming invasion of the USSR, so he kept attacking and recklessly spend precious armour in North Africa. Definitely overrated. The military doesn't rely on brilliance alone, but also communication and coordination. Edit : my argument is based on a US Navy study on military leadership, not just some random armchair historian.
@@perisaizidanehanapi7931 These are valid criticisms, and a recurring contention with Rommel inevitably revolves around his liberal use of the limited armour, knowing that his restorative capacity was much less than the Allies. However, Rommel also realised that the key to North Africa was to hold on to the initiative, as the Axis forces with it's Italian underbelly couldn't be confidently relied on to consistently defend critical positions when the Allied forces were allowed to proactively probe their lines and carry out major offensive operations. This fact was evident enough during Operation Compass, and even more so during the later Operation Crusader where the weak Italian forces yielded to Allied attacks and compromised the entire line. In this context, the Axis forces having been pushed back halfway to Libya, and staring down upon further setbacks and losses if the British forces completed reorganization and resumed their operations, desperately needed to turn the tide and find some energy, which Rommel gave them in the form of operation sonnenblume- a resounding success albeit the armour losses. As for the logistical situation, it continued to unravel as the war progressed, especially so after Barbarossa, so restraint before it's launch would only mean that Allied attritions would surpass the Axis one, with the odds continuing to worsen with every passing moment unless it could be reversed and counteracted by battle outcomes. It's unlikely Rommel would have a better opportunity for operation Sonnenblume, with it's objective of capturing Tobruk, even if he coordinated with the German war cabinet, after the British regrouping had been completed Edit: My argument is based on a sound analysis of the ground situation and facts, not just an appeal to authority
@@dwarvensphere1094 Australia is like Canada a country without history and identity so they have to make an elephant out of a fly for everything they participated in…
Fighting in Africa in HOI4 is absolute hell. I spent a whole year going back and forth between El Agheila and El Alamein once, and the only reason the entire fight ended was because the Soviets were blasting through Germany and I had to withdrew my troops to fight the Soviets (I was playing Italy).
Someone forgot about the Aussies in tubruk, known as rats of Tubruk because they served along side the famous british desert rats they served from parts of the 7th and 9th Australian division. Indian, Polish and Check troops also served in Tebruk and should not be forgoten. Lest We Forget
No mention either of the French at Bir Hakeim who held back the ENTIRE Italo-german flanking manœuvre by themselves and only later some British air support allowing for the Allies to regroup and reorganise properly
The battle of Bir Hakeim is missing where the german army advance was stopped resulting the victory of El Alamein thanks French Army, there was also all the breakthrough and invasion in south Libya with French Army there. With the invasion of Fezzan or some battles as Koufra and Moursouk. Lest we forget French army. As a British, I don’t know why people tend to forget French involvement during WW2. We were together 💪🇫🇷🤝🇬🇧👍
It's important to remember that the North African campaign was extremely important because it drained Germany of tanks, during WWII battles in the desert had very feel man in comparison to the battles in the Soviet Union but they had practically the same amount of tanks. Of whom the English made sure to destroy and could never be used in Russia.
he didnt include that when the egyptian rebels tried to speak to axis adn the axis refused they bombed their feul comvoys by suicide cars , causing the allies to advance even throw the kingdom of egypt and the brits were their enemies
My Grandfather fought for the british as a South African at the battle of Tobruk, all i know he was captured as a POW and sent to a camp in Poland or Italy but came back eventually.
At the battles of El Alamein you put only britch and Commonwealth troup but at bir Hakeim (werre you put the britch tank) it was only french troups defending this point bravely and put an end to the axis avance but cool video thx
Textbook example how logistics determine the outcome of wars. Rommel overextended (Italians couldn't supply anyone further than cyreneika. Quality of Italian troops was leaving allot to be desired. British on other had brought up enough supplies,guns,tanks to force a decisive battle. Also desert rats were running amoc blowing supply depots everywhere.
Even without an invasion of Russia Germany still loses, it’ll take longer but Germany couldn’t not hold back the power of the United States and Britain as well as its Empire and Commonwealth forces, especially considering how reliant Germany would become on Russian supplies
It wasn’t the British, it was the Allies - which included Britain, yes, but also Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa, Poland, and Czechoslovakia. There were also Royal Canadian Air Force squadrons involved. My great-grandfather, who had already seen action at the Somme in WWI, was there with the Australian Army. Lost a lot of mates, got wounded, and had his first evacuation ship sunk in an air raid. He survived, but never forgot what he’d experienced and the friends he’d lost.
@@ltpowell sry I was watching the vid without audio. One thing to note is that most of the engineers at tobruk were British and the exhausted Australian troops were slowly replaced by British and Czech forces.
Stolen? Do you live in Donbas or Crimea? You should try asking the people that live there if that land is stolen. You'd be in for a shock. Ukraine denied Crimea drinking water, Ukraine murdered civilians in Donbas, no one wants fascist Ukraine back.
@@CyrilSneer123 Yes, stolen. Both of those areas have been Ukrain since 91 or so. Regardless, your point might hold true for Crimea, due to the huge naval base probably, but in the Donbass, Russians were always a minority befor Russia's attack and conquest. And in this stage of this war, startung in 22, Russia has attempted to conquer all of Ukraine. While it failed miserably, Russia did attempt to take Kiev. This war has never been about protection of Russians in other countries. It has always been just naked aggression. You sound like someone defending Hitler for his takeover of the Suddetenland.
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Montgomery and Rommel on a speed run.
Monty Auchinleck and Rommel
Monty Auchinleck and Rommel
This just shows in the end it is a tug of war for land
Someone should make a board game based on it
ptsd about the african campaign 1940-1943
And make it realllllly long
@@Lp-army1if the allies soldiers had to be there for 4 years then you will too 😂😂😂
Gotta appreciate the enormous effort of animating this entire war Theater 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
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That's a shitload of prisoners on both sides. It boggles the mind.
I want a video from someone at some point covering the logistics of handling all of these POWs
Wait until you hear about the Eastern Front😅
It's a days worth of POW's in the Eastern Front
Better to surrender than die of thirst in the desert.
@@miguelchavez6486depends on who you’re surrendering to… against some enemies I’d choose the desert
"Гитлер, Муссолини, где топливо!".
Э.Роммель 1942 год
Lol
Grigozhin moment 😂
Loved the Battlefield 1942 African campaign maps back in the day lol
It wasn't the Italians that were doing bad, it was their commanders
Their commander werent even that shit
They were decent
But its their equipment
By 1940
NONE of the italian guns has the capability to penetrate the matilda tank
Which is the main reason why italian armored forces were overran
The rest, dont have any mobility to retreat, thus destroyed
With mussolini's intervention at bardia enaure the total destruction
@imreallynoob8311 The Semoventi da 75/18 could easily penetrate the Matilda with their EPS (pretty much HEAT) shots. There just weren't as many as there should've been
@@imreallynoob8311 Yeah Italy was prepping for startinh WW2 in 1945
@@shinobirecords2018 that thing is impressive indeed, i is one of a few italian tanks that could competete with mid war allies tank, yet theres only a few of them
But my point still stands as the 75/18 enters serviced in 1942 not 1940(as i stated), by then italian army started to do better, but it was already overshadowed by the germans
@@imreallynoob8311 1941, but yeah-definitely could've come earlier and in greater numbers.
I think Italy would've had some truly formidable SPGs if they committed to them over 'proper' tanks they could barely handle before 1943
Respect for my Great-Grandfather who fought in North Africa for Italy, got shot in the Stomach but survived and went as a POW 2 times, 1 in Asia and 1 in Africa. He survived decades after the war but I unfortunately never met him 🫡
Quelli erano uomini con le palle d’acciaio
Hey mine to in italy for France
Rommel did a big oopsie chasing the allies. He probably had tunnel vision after all his victories.
It was his way of fighting (classic prussian education favouring aggressiveness) he was an excellent field commander but a terrible staffer. What je needed to be successful was a proper logistics aide who would keep him in check. We cant forget also the quality of italian troops(majority of units fighting there)
Unless you had Dumbledore as a Logistics officer, it wouldn't have mattered. North Africa was constantly being interdicted by the British Navy and Airforce which makes Rommel's accomplishments even more impressive. Lastly, Rommel was correct in pursuing the allies in the leadup to El-Alamein. He knew that the axis would eventually be completely outmatched in terms of men and equipment, so if he could deal a decisive blow to them and maybe even reach Alexandria, he could cut off the Suez Canal and force the allies to fight him in Egypt where he could delay their entry into Europe for a while longer, while also complicating their supply efforts towards the pacific.
Playing defensively, Rommel might as well have surrendered when he arrived. Offense wins wars. Especially when one side is outnumbered in every way.@@sagatlike3393
He was expecting Hitler to send reinforcements but the Eastern front kept heating up. They were stretched too thin in Africa, later unable to continue their campaign due to lack of supplies/fuel.
He's a terrible strategist. His whole plan in North Africa is for the entire Italian Army in Africa and German Africa Corps to take the entire Mediterranean Coast in Africa and drive all the way to Iraq.
He was never gonna win.
Without Rommel's brilliance and strategic acumen, the North African campaign would likely have concluded much faster and in a more lopsided fashion. The administrative and logistical disparities between the two sides were immense, the Allied forces could draw from extensive bases and networks from middle east, India, and egypt through Britain's colonial and maritime supremacy, while the Axis forces had to fare with the Mediterranean naval and air fleet just to get war essentials accross
Rommel's overrated
Rommel didn't coordinate with his higher-ups regarding the oncoming invasion of the USSR, so he kept attacking and recklessly spend precious armour in North Africa. Definitely overrated. The military doesn't rely on brilliance alone, but also communication and coordination.
Edit : my argument is based on a US Navy study on military leadership, not just some random armchair historian.
@@perisaizidanehanapi7931 These are valid criticisms, and a recurring contention with Rommel inevitably revolves around his liberal use of the limited armour, knowing that his restorative capacity was much less than the Allies. However, Rommel also realised that the key to North Africa was to hold on to the initiative, as the Axis forces with it's Italian underbelly couldn't be confidently relied on to consistently defend critical positions when the Allied forces were allowed to proactively probe their lines and carry out major offensive operations. This fact was evident enough during Operation Compass, and even more so during the later Operation Crusader where the weak Italian forces yielded to Allied attacks and compromised the entire line. In this context, the Axis forces having been pushed back halfway to Libya, and staring down upon further setbacks and losses if the British forces completed reorganization and resumed their operations, desperately needed to turn the tide and find some energy, which Rommel gave them in the form of operation sonnenblume- a resounding success albeit the armour losses. As for the logistical situation, it continued to unravel as the war progressed, especially so after Barbarossa, so restraint before it's launch would only mean that Allied attritions would surpass the Axis one, with the odds continuing to worsen with every passing moment unless it could be reversed and counteracted by battle outcomes. It's unlikely Rommel would have a better opportunity for operation Sonnenblume, with it's objective of capturing Tobruk, even if he coordinated with the German war cabinet, after the British regrouping had been completed
Edit: My argument is based on a sound analysis of the ground situation and facts, not just an appeal to authority
All seemed to be going good it till they run out of oil. Lacking to account for resources is just being overzealous, not so brilliant.
@@saminhaque13-52 Italy's problems in North Africa is mostly down to almost no motor transport.
You forget the part where a small Australian force held out Tobruk for 8 months. 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Yeah, a small Australian force and a British division, lol. But as is typical it was just the Australians.. .
@@dwarvensphere1094mainly Australia’s
@idontknow8935 it wasn't, just like the gallipoli myth. You might want to learn your history
Nobody cares…
And Australians were part of the British forces…
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Australia is like Canada a country without history and identity so they have to make an elephant out of a fly for everything they participated in…
I love what you guys do. Solid work as always. Congrats.
If only italian forces commanded by hoi4 ai
Ive never seen ai italy hold libya without player intervention
lol then they lose everything in 4 months
Fighting in Africa in HOI4 is absolute hell. I spent a whole year going back and forth between El Agheila and El Alamein once, and the only reason the entire fight ended was because the Soviets were blasting through Germany and I had to withdrew my troops to fight the Soviets (I was playing Italy).
Someone forgot about the Aussies in tubruk, known as rats of Tubruk because they served along side the famous british desert rats they served from parts of the 7th and 9th Australian division. Indian, Polish and Check troops also served in Tebruk and should not be forgoten.
Lest We Forget
Poles and Czechs? We didn't see them at the victory parade!
English probably
No mention either of the French at Bir Hakeim who held back the ENTIRE Italo-german flanking manœuvre by themselves and only later some British air support allowing for the Allies to regroup and reorganise properly
Hitler: Look at my epic North Africa campaign
Hitler a few minutes later: I don't want to talk about it. . .
The battle of Bir Hakeim is missing where the german army advance was stopped resulting the victory of El Alamein thanks French Army, there was also all the breakthrough and invasion in south Libya with French Army there. With the invasion of Fezzan or some battles as Koufra and Moursouk. Lest we forget French army. As a British, I don’t know why people tend to forget French involvement during WW2.
We were together
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All of these mini videos are awesome! Please keep them coming.
It's important to remember that the North African campaign was extremely important because it drained Germany of tanks, during WWII battles in the desert had very feel man in comparison to the battles in the Soviet Union but they had practically the same amount of tanks.
Of whom the English made sure to destroy and could never be used in Russia.
As brief as these videos are, they are very good for helping to outline a broad picture very quickly! 👏👏👏
Man Eastory is like a WW2 history dictionary
he didnt include that when the egyptian rebels tried to speak to axis adn the axis refused they bombed their feul comvoys by suicide cars , causing the allies to advance even throw the kingdom of egypt and the brits were their enemies
The way you narrated sounds like something in a Dr Seuss book
Eastory can you do the Korean War after the Italian campaign
It isn’t the end, it’s not even the beginning, but it’s the end of the BEGINNING.
Wow this seems like a very complex and difficult war, I sure hope someone makes a boardgame about this war
i love the animation
can u make a video about vietnam war
My Grandfather fought for the british as a South African at the battle of Tobruk, all i know he was captured as a POW and sent to a camp in Poland or Italy but came back eventually.
Probably Italy, likely he wouldn’t have came back from a camp in Poland
@himynameiscorey yea, that's my thought
bro turned a 2 month board game into a minute
Operation Torch was very important here
I love how the tiny tanks there are accurate, like the if you see close you can see a panzer IV(germany) and a m4 sherman (allies)
“They pushed and pushed till they surrendered” lol 😂
great video
Is this guy telling a bedtime story to his children?
the english had no business up there
what?
@@ahhlewis_mapping read it again
Is he stupid?
The Great African Goose Chase.
Thank you Australia
At the battles of El Alamein you put only britch and Commonwealth troup but at bir Hakeim (werre you put the britch tank) it was only french troups defending this point bravely and put an end to the axis avance but cool video thx
Australia was the true mvp of the siege of Tobruk, in fact Australia even defeated the germans
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Push power🗣️🔥🔥🔥
The defending people at Tobruk were actually aussies
A game of back and foreward
I thought the Australian troop was surrounded at Tobruk.
talk about a see saw war
Insufficient supplies… the reason why Germany lost both wars…
push Push PUSH again
"The British"
The South Africans 👁👄👁
I like your accent. Where are you from?
Forgot italian invasion of egypt without Germany
It may have been better for Germany if Italy had stayed neutral during WWII.
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El Alamein ? It seems like a great victory, what corps was there ?
Textbook example how logistics determine the outcome of wars.
Rommel overextended (Italians couldn't supply anyone further than cyreneika. Quality of Italian troops was leaving allot to be desired. British on other had brought up enough supplies,guns,tanks to force a decisive battle. Also desert rats were running amoc blowing supply depots everywhere.
But if they chose vickings they would have more manpower
The US hass spent billions of dollars in North Africa, Germany sent one general and almost won.
There are 2 main reasons why Germany cannot win the second World War, first is oils and second Franz Halder.
Why Franz Halder?
just one reason: Adolf Hitler
Why do you blame him?
Even without an invasion of Russia Germany still loses, it’ll take longer but Germany couldn’t not hold back the power of the United States and Britain as well as its Empire and Commonwealth forces, especially considering how reliant Germany would become on Russian supplies
There was a lot of factors but the decisive factor was the Germany decision to ignore the British empire and focus on expanding more.
Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir Hakeim Bir
It wasn’t the British, it was the Allies - which included Britain, yes, but also Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa, Poland, and Czechoslovakia. There were also Royal Canadian Air Force squadrons involved.
My great-grandfather, who had already seen action at the Somme in WWI, was there with the Australian Army. Lost a lot of mates, got wounded, and had his first evacuation ship sunk in an air raid. He survived, but never forgot what he’d experienced and the friends he’d lost.
And also Free French forces
@@hurricane3197And Americans. The US also supplied the Brits with hundreds of tanks.
War thunder probably:
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Polish forces?
Massive loss of lives
100
Italy tanks did not help
What a fiasco
British?! That was Aussies!
What in all of north africa?
@@crumpetcommandos779 no. We see and speak about Tobruk. And aussies were there, who successfully defended city for 8 month!
@@ltpowell sry I was watching the vid without audio. One thing to note is that most of the engineers at tobruk were British and the exhausted Australian troops were slowly replaced by British and Czech forces.
I like how the tank logos used here quite appropriately depict shermans for the Allies and panzers for the Axis.
>the british
bruh it was Aussies that held Tobruk. Get your facts right or dont run a history channel at all
I love these. I am eagerly waiting to see the one on Ukraine retaking Crimea and the rest of their stolen territory.
Never gonna happen
Stolen? Do you live in Donbas or Crimea? You should try asking the people that live there if that land is stolen. You'd be in for a shock. Ukraine denied Crimea drinking water, Ukraine murdered civilians in Donbas, no one wants fascist Ukraine back.
@@CyrilSneer123 Yes, stolen. Both of those areas have been Ukrain since 91 or so.
Regardless, your point might hold true for Crimea, due to the huge naval base probably, but in the Donbass, Russians were always a minority befor Russia's attack and conquest.
And in this stage of this war, startung in 22, Russia has attempted to conquer all of Ukraine. While it failed miserably, Russia did attempt to take Kiev. This war has never been about protection of Russians in other countries. It has always been just naked aggression.
You sound like someone defending Hitler for his takeover of the Suddetenland.
@@elomial724 You say as Ukraine crosses line after line of trenches on its way to Tokmak, the soul railroad line, and the Sea of Azoz.
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Soldiers in tobruk weren't British they were aussie
Most of the engineers were British and a lot of the aussies got swapped out during the battle for british and Czech troops
funny how theres no african countries fighting
The only existing african countries in the 1940s were Liberia and South Africa (which was tecnically a british colony and did actually fight in WW2.)
Du bist so ein krasser kelb
We all know if the Germans wasn’t there that would’ve been a 10 second video
Where's Australia's appreciation in all this ? They were probably the main reason this all went well in the end
No. This take is as bad as Aussies claiming they did everything in Gallipoli
I wouldn’t say Australia alone but the Commonwealth armies definitely played an understated role in the defense of Egypt