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- INSANE NEW LIGHTROOM UPDATE FEATURES! This newest update for Lightroom CC & Lightroom CC Classic is a big deal. Find out why.
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Do these presets have the denoise and other new features?
The denoise AI is insane, I have been able to recover so many images that i thought lost due to the noise they had, this feature is bonkers i only wish it existed sooner
It did existed, called DxO or Topaz. They are still better
I feel like Adobe would make things a lot easier if they just combined photoshop and Lightroom into one application. Itâs always been annoying to have to decide whether to do something in Lightroom versus photoshop and to have to switch between the two in order to do what I was trying to achieve.
I agree
so happy i'm not the only one thinking that
100% Adobe is unnecessary complicated, they have such an ugly interface. I have used it for years, still hate the feel and mess of it
Feel like if they combined them then you would need a ton of ram or suffer the slowness
@@izombie98 I don't see why that would be the case. The only way that would make sense is if you are running a bunch of operations at once which could happen even when running LR or PS on their own.
Just to point out how useful the facial hair tool is. This weekend went to the Museum of Ice Cream with my wife. Every room was super pink. I have a naturally red bead with some grays peeking out. Needless to say. My beard had a lot of bright pink highlights. With these new tools I was able to get it back to its natural color without the need for PS. IT WAS AMAZING!
đ oh man i love how useful this was for you. here i am thinking âyeah, maybe once in a whileâ but for you, sounds like the beard mask is a gamechanger!
Yes, this is a great improvement on primitive denoising previously in lightroom. However itâs extremely slow and still needs sharpening after application. Topaz Ai personally make a much better job. Itâs early days and I am sure that they will speed up and improve the results.
Its stupid slow, so slow i don't think anyone is gonna use it!
For batch editing definitely not, but for one off image rescue i will for sure :) In general with decent light and lenses i VERY rarely have high ISO situations, so for me its only the rare photo i need it on⊠but yes, improvements still needed for sure!
100% agreed! its a step but more to come for sure
PureRaw 3 also miles better.
@@SignatureEdits I personally think that adobe need to boost up their products big time. They have been sitting idle on their throne for far too long whilst the Ai lords have been creeping in out of sight. Suddenly for people such as me whoâs priorities ( wedding photography) have been ignored for light years, now suddenly we are seeing I crack of light to save our health from sitting way too long in front of a screen editing.
Thank you for a very informative tutorial. You and Unmesh have a similar delightful energy and focus to your videos that make the viewer smile, and happy, "being there, " while we learn about the things we wouldn't know about without your help.
I had no idea we could duplicate masks and have it be like duplicating layers, with a cumulative effect on the image - I thought we had to do that in Photoshop - this is thrilling, thank you so much!
Oh man, i love that my throwaway example was helpful for you! đ„đđ»đđ» thats awesome
Love the energy in this tutorial - kept me engaged the whole time. Thanks for the tips! â»
It says denoise is not compatible with this photo format; what format does it your image need to be in?
hello ,is there anyone has a issue about color shift problem after the update?
whole my presets are unusable after the update.Ä°f I attempt any change on the photo it directly ruins my whole image(original preset photo) .Please help same on iPhone Lightroom and Mac Lightroom ?
Hey! Thank you for this! Iâm wondering, how are you dragging and dropping your images in compare mode? Are you using dual monitor setup?
Hey Hardik! Nope, literally just select the little photo thumbnail below the image in the develop module, and drag it where it needs to go. Sorry if thats a confusing explanation! But no dual monitor required :)
The new Denoise AI is insanely good! I recently shot a dance show which had really poor lighting with fast movement so I had to bump the ISO way higher than I wanted, and the new Denoise AI honestly helped improve the final shots so much.
You mention a previous video on tone curves, where can I find it? Thanks a lot!!
great video!! I'm very excited for these new features !
Me too Phillip! glad you enjoyed :)
Great video! Thanks! I do a lot of in-door hockey photography where high ISO is necessary to reach short exposure. So really love the new AI noise reduction. However, it takes way too long to de-noise a larger set of pictures! How can I best speed this up? Better grphics card or main procesor or more memory?? Any idea which parts of the computer are mainly used by the AI noise reduction? Thanks
honestly for speed on multi images, LR still doesnt have a solution. You probably would be much better off spending the money on topaz ai or something similar that supports batch edits. i dont think upgrading your machine will make more than a slight improvement at the moment!
Is lightrooms denoise better than pure raw 2 dxo and topaz? I love dxo on the gh5, iso 6400 is still 85 percent perfect
Regarding the switches that they turned to eyeballs for temporarily turning off panel effects⊠if you option/alt click on the eyeball it turns back into a switch.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Geez so grateful. The eyeballs are SOOOO dumb haha. Really appreciate it!
Is this update only for classic or for pro as well? If for pro, could you make a tutorial or a video just for that software?
Please help! Noise reduction in LightRoom gives me this message: Denoise is not currently compatible with this phone format. The noise reduction button is blocked out. I use Olympus OM1 camera with 40-150mm Pro lens with 2x converter.
Hey Annette! Lightroom Noise Reduction only works with RAW files at the moment! Thats probably why :)
I haven't update yet.. it is encoring to see Lightroom getting more AI oriented features.., Seeing what you showed, not sure I am convinced with the results tho...I think DXO is still the real winner when it comes to AI assisted editing and the quality of the results in the current competition.
Hello,how long more less need to make the process the denoise ai?
I have amd ryzen 7 5700x 32g ram and radeon rx 6400 card graffis.. please help
cant say for sure! for me it takes about 15 seconds per photo MINIMUM⊠on similar ish power. So its really slow :)
@@SignatureEdits that i was expecting...the other 2 option (make it bigger or clearer)take secs..i changed graffic card...trx 3060 Nvidia...i believe ill be ok now
@@SignatureEdits mine with previous card took minimum 12MIN!!!
I tried it took awhile what do you think is required more ram or gpu for this ?
Hard to say when I dont know what your computer is working with :) From a couple comments here, id say RAM seems to be more important⊠but just guessing!
The other great thing is that you can sync or copy those masks over to multiply images and it will adapt to each image
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I am glade that adobe is trying to play catch up to all of these other AI programs. They have to keep up to date or get left behind.
100% agreed. they sat around for a long time while different startups innovated⊠time will tell :) That said, apple kindof does the same thing - they wait until a tech has been developed, then they just copy it (but better) into their products. M1 architecture being the first major change to this model in a long time
the eyeball you used at the end just temporarily mutes the effects. To shut them off as before hit the ALT key and the Eyeball goes back to the toggle on/off or prior versions
Love your videos btw
Right on, thanks Mike!!!
I don't think I've seen grainy photo in 10 years. Today, you can shoot on high ISO, and image still looks good
i hear you! i had about 1000 images from this recent trip. only about 4-6 of em were actually high ISO enough to create nasty noise grain :) Modern cameras, fast lenses and portable lighting make a massive improvement!
What are your thoughts on Topaz photo ai and Affinity photo? I do have a subscription to PS but find Affinity simpler in many cases and Topaz photo ai is great even at ridicules iso levels like 25,000
Wow 25k ISO is truly insane! But are we talking A7iv @ 25k, or something older / smaller sensor? Either way I haven't had a chance to play with either Topaz Photo AI or Affinity Photo Noise Reduction... for me I think the LR version here is enough for my workflow (as it is very rare I actually have high ISO situations to deal with... most of the time I'm able to prevent that by lowering my shutter or adding light in the scene!) so for my once in a blue moon high ISO images, having just ONE program and not having to make the workflow more complicated is probably better. Still though, I need to check out what you're talking about!
@@SignatureEdits Nikon D850.
I am new to lightroom, I did not know about this fully. Thanks so much mate ! Subscribed!
Right on! Thx for the sub!
Why is the sharpening on 150? It adds a lot of unnecessary noise.
Exactly what I thought⊠Iâve never used sharpening more than 25%.
Honestly it all depends! Sharpening at 150 doesnt add a ton of noise if you have your masking settings reasonably high (and your radius settings also tweaked appropriately)
When masking is on, itâs only sharpening a small fraction of the image
So they are now at the level of Dxo pureraw 1, it means That you Can click one Time and denoise but without any further options. It's better but it's still 2 years late. Dxo has now Some option for sharpening levels for example. And still have better denoising. But glad they improvedb
Agreed! Haha massive update but certainly playing catchup! Hopefully the trend continues though and they get better fast :)
Hey man are you planning to update your AI toolkit with these changes? I bought the kit around 2 months ago and I use it every day
Hey Andres! Toolkit has been updated to include facial hair and new clothing select! To access the update simply re-download the files from your account :) Sadly adobe doesnt have a way for me to push updates out any easier đ€·ââïžđ
@@SignatureEdits thanks so much! đ
Love the new updates, but speed has been a problem for me since the latest. Jus moving from picture to picture has slowed dramatically for me. Not everything is slow, but that is. The time it takes to "redraw" when you just click or arrow to the next image. (On an M1 MacBook Pro).
wow thats frustrating! i cant say ive noticed that but mine is an m1 max chip. certainly still bogs down when there are too many adjustment layers (which seems silly since its 10x better machine than my last computer, but still has the same issues đ ) ah well
Is AI de noise available on iPad?
:( i get 12 minutes est. time on a 24mp image with rtx3060 and gpu acceleration on but i noticed ACR is not actually using the gpu with ai noise reduction. Anyone else has this?
Woah that is CRAZY long... For me on my macbook pro it only took maybe 20 seconds per image. Perhaps there is a performance setting that needs tweaking to work better with your setup? Let me know what you find! Wish I had more insights
@@SignatureEdits actually something is wrong with ACR but it must be an "only me" problem. In lightroom i get 10 seconds for the same image but i hate lightroom! Anyway...thats that!
Great improvement but the problem is that AI Denoise takes an very long time to denoise a photo, I have had it taken me about 30 mins to denoise one photo in Lightroom classic, very frustrating. Camera raw does it much faster and comes very close to the finish of AI, and that is manual. Adobe needs to do better with AI Denoise, at times I have 10 photos I need to work on.
I imagine that what they do with AI is generate a new image using the original image as a "prompt" and the model is trained to denoise images, it's pretty cool. Maybe that's why it takes some time.
i have no idea, maybe! haha. My guess would be its a little more like its trained to recognize certain photo elements and respond accordingly.. âthis id what skin looks like WITHIUT noise, so lets make all the skin look like thisâ âthis is what blacks look like w/o noiseâ etc. But who knows, im still probably completely wrong đ
Photolab 6 and PureRaw2 's Deeprime Denoise XD is still the leading one though, way ahead.
interesting! i havent checked them out - im pretty basic and like to keep my workflow simple, so for me having ONE program beats several. Ill have to look at those ones though to see!
I have pure raw 3 and is still not as good as Topaz. Lightroom still in beta. PureRaw3 is good but Topaz gives you more options to manipulate and denoise some of the worst photos Iâve taken.
@@albecer481 nope, I tried Topaz. Between clean and no artifacts and recovering even the most high ISO pictures you can think off, DXO's algorithm is ahead. Just look at head-to-head reviews, almost all I've seen agrees and in-line with personal tests
@@xFreyelis I will compare both again. Iâm using the latest of both software. Iâll report later
@@SignatureEdits honestly, you are missing out. This update is a big improvement for Lightroom, but it takes it from "awful" to "sort of ok." When you compare to what DeepPrime and DeepPrime XD do with DXO Photolab/Pure Raw, it's not even in the same ballpark. That night shot of the sign makes the glow around it look like garbage. 100% guarantee that the DXO tools would be dramatically better on that shot.
In general, I too kept from buying other tools in the past thinking "one tool is less hassle" like you said. But trust me, one mediocre tool is WAY more hassle.
There are many plugins i am using since many years, why Adobe not thinking to make something really new đą ?
I hear u! For now im just pumped on these new features, but maybe in the future we will see some truly NEW tools developed as their AI tools progress :)
@@SignatureEdits yeah let's hope so...
Hold alt/option to turn the âeyesâ back into sliders to turn certain parts off and on permanently.
Thanks for the information :)
You bet!
It's a big but basic step in the right direction imo. These updates were no brainers. Unfortunately without sharpening thr new denoise still isn't quite as good as tapaz imo
100% agreed! It is nice to have, but hopefully we get some added options in the next update :)
THANK YOU
You bet - Glad you enjoyed!
Something wasnât working with mine. Started to crash as soon as I clicked the app. Had to be on the phone with AdobeâŠturns out they had to reinstall an older version, and told me to not update to the new one until the next update. Dammit!
What?! That is so frustrating! Dang Im sorry!
@@SignatureEdits yup. The guy said this was a known issue and was affecting many computers. Both of my MacBooks wonât work with the new Lightroom. One is a 2019 MacBook Pro (still intel) and the new MacBook Pro M2. So frustrating.
The De-noise works fantastic.
much improved! đđ»
Would you say itâs like Remini or Topaz labs INSIDE Lightroom?
the new noise reduction is better than the old version, no question. But its still not on the level of Topaz. The automatic masking however is a godsend
ive been hearing that from many people here! im going to have to check out topaz i guess ;) for me though having just one app is really nice for workflow (and budget haha)
Good to see Adobe actually doing something significant to Lightroom after all these months of minor tweaks for our subscription money. That said, the noise reduction is dramatically worse than the current market leading tools (DXO DeepPrime XD or Topaz products). I would rank DXO first with Topaz behind it for noise reduction, while Topaz is of course king at adding detail to low-resolution or blurry shots.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice that Lightroom NR has gone from godawful to somewhat usable, but once you see what the best tools can do, it's just not good enough given all the downsides of being forced to make a copy of an image, etc.
Well said! Definitely agree - The weird DNG copy and not working on jpg images are both super strange... Makes you wonder what their thought process was
Great Video
I'm pretty sure the curve adjustment within masks was introduced a couple of updates ago. I've been using it for a couple of months. The denoise is interesting and looks like a big improvement over the old algorithm. However Topaz denoise is pure magic when it comes to denoise. It's not one method for all files, with different denoise methods for different scenarios. And the subtle sharpening it does if you get it right is amazing. However the one dealbreaker for me is that LR will make a new dng file after applying denoise. What's with that?! I do not want to double the number of raw files on my system! If Topaz can do such a wonderful job as a plugin then why can't Adobe? It's Topaz for me until Adobe figures this out properly. And one last thing, apparently the denoise in LR works ONLY on raw files. Are you kidding me Adobe? Topaz will work beautifully on my wife's jpgs and will also fix noise in old TIF files from years ago. So it's unlikely I'm going to use this half-hearted attempt at doing something third party apps have been doing better for years.
Oh man you hit the nail on the head! As a guy who hasn't needed a denoise plugin, having this little feature is handy. But certainly crazy to hear just how far ahead other competitors are... makes it strange that adobe would release a "new" feature that is *already* well behind competitors... Time will tell, maybe they have a master plan! haha
Iâve been hearing that Lightroom new Denoise is actually better than all the other Third party apps. Looks like Iâll need to test it out myself.
I'd say the image of the women at 3mins 30s (ish) also demonstrates the challenge with noise reduction/removal in that it made her look plastic and took away too much detail. In the Denoise AI app I have to tweak settings to avoid this.
It's annoying that adobe is requiring at least 2gb GPU to use the people detection AI. It instantly makes all the Intel based MBP's obsolete...
Oh wow I had no idea they had this limit! Definitely frustrating... Perhaps from a software dev perspective I can see how maybe they'd make that decision because with lower GPU it would probably take so long as to be unusable? Either way, wish it weren't the case for you!
I shouldnât have watched this video before going to sleep, now I want to check these new features out.
đ đđ» i know the feeling! haha
@@SignatureEdits this feature is amazing. I've some pictures I took with my A77 on a concert, even the best of them were almost unusable (about the same quality as the iPhone 13 had Filming with ProRes) but now theyâre at least useable for social media
I wonder if they finally allowed for the person masking to be used outside of the raw panel. Itâs such a tease not to be able to use those masks with all the features Lightroom has to offer.
I love your video but I need to turn the playback speed to .75 because you talk so fast. It seems like it is more natural. I wonder if you speed up your videos?
đ Sorry about that! Not slowed down, I just have a tendency to go faster than I should! Working on slowing down!
Haha no way, just bought one of those Denoise tools đ
đ timing is everything! hopefully its a little faster than the LR version!
Great vid SigEd but I wish you'd speak a little faster... đ
đ yeah⊠itâs a problem im aware of lol. fine line between losing people from being too fast and losing people from not being fast enough to get to the point! i need to get better đđ»
Anyone else just use Bridge/Camera Raw to edit instead of Lightroom? I donât really like Lr, but Iâm curious about what Iâm missing with it vs. Bridge/CR.
Man I wish they would add this to LR Mobile
oh man me too! im sure its gotta be very cpu intensive, but my hunch is down the road its coming once phones have the power!
@@SignatureEdits I hope so. I have a pretty decent phome with 12gb processing power but Im sure that still isnt enough. Probablly need 14gb or 16gb ram on a phone.
Um.... this is likely using combination of CPU+GPU muscle. Doing this on a phone would be ridiculously slow.
@@falxonPSN yep! but at the rate of improvement in processing, it's just a matter of time. Probably a year or two though!
If you ask me this is the denoise is pretty bad In morden days noise removal standard, it created a huge amount of uneven denoice artifact your image
I hear you! Itâs certainly not perfect. BUT when i post the photo for IG on a 3 inch screen, all those artifacts are invisible⊠so for most use cases for me itâs enough. Hopefully it will get better AND faster!
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Back in my day, we used to have to select our masks with polygons.
đ„čđ i remember those days! haha not in LR though⊠was that a thing in Lightroom too?!
@@SignatureEdits I'm not sure if you could mask in Lightroom. I was picturing Photoshop, lol.
@@barryanders ahhhh! haha yeah I was wondering if i missed the OG party!
Can change shirt colors
You absolutely can!
AI is not working on my pictures. Says not compatible with this picture. đ
only works on raw files
@@fenan6965 that's what I thought thank you.
oh good catch! i didnt even test with jpg. my bad!!!
For some reason you can't DENOISE panos. Why o you think that is?
My hunch is because a pano is ALREADY a stitching of several images. Apply AI noise reduction separately to the OG images, THEN try to combine the resulting DNGs into pano - let me know if that fixes it!
@@SignatureEdits yeah... Basically you have to denoise before you stitch. Thanks
I think the technical explanation is that AI Denoise only works (for now) on mosaiced raw images, which means, the raw data has not yet been demosaiced (interpreted) into RGB channels. The current AI Enhance features (Denoise, Raw Details, Super Resolution) work best when they can analyze the original data and alter that fundamental first demosaic step. The results are demosaiced into RGB, and are saved as a new linear (demosaiced) DNG file.
But hereâs the problem: A panorama or HDR merge in Lightroom/Camera Raw also produces a linear DNG file. You want to use AI Denoise on a merged panorama DNG, but it is already demosaiced, so AI Denoise canât get to the mosaiced original raw data that it wants to analyze. Itâs already been interpreted.
That is why Adobe recommends applying AI Denoise to images before running them through a panorama/HDR merge.
It is possible that Adobe might find a way to simplify this in the future. The Adobe engineering article âDenoise Demystifiedâ says they are looking into how to simplify the process, like removing the need to generate a new file.
Me still using Lightroom 4: interesting đ€
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GAME CHANGER!
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Denoise is a great way to make photos look like cartoons.
That is fckin mind blowing
Topaz gigapixel can do better for denoise btw
Iâm glad LR is working on AI. However the Denoise is way far behind Topaz. Limited options, no sharpening or detail recovering, and SUPER slow. Itâs cool that they have it but itâs really not anything I would use in itâs current state.
i hear u! hopefully V2 includes these features (and comes soon đđ»đ„)
glad didn't delete noised images lol
đ me too!
I like noise actually đ€Ł
Haha well... one man's noise is another mans... film grain? đ
Decaf, brother
hahaha yeah... it's a problem! my bad đ
Here I am adding artificial noise to get the film look đ
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I was Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom user, but im far away from calling myself a photographer. I was using these programms maybe once a month, 2 days a month on rare ocasion, and was paying 11,99 or 11,89⏠a month for a year subscription, cause they dont have other plans. My sub ended and new sub costs now 23,79⏠for a month, and you cant end it after a month, you have to pay for 12 months from subscription date.. What a fuck happened to price? Its not like ukraine war changed it or so, its a fucking program on a computer, it is ready and finished, why price got 2x bigger? I was using it foolish, for 12⏠and maybe 10 pic tops got edited for 140⏠but for 280⏠a year? Fuck it.
So you're not going to tell us how to apply the AI noise reduction then?
Sorry if I missed something! Really all you do is hit the apply button and the AI does the rest :)
@@SignatureEdits Sorry if I came across as arsey. I did figure it out in the end. đ€Šââïž One thing I did find though, is that it only works on RAW files and not JPEGs.
Whoever came up with these dumb and dumber names for its LR products should be fired.
đđđ i feel that way about MANY decisions adobe makes haha. But particularly their naming strategy
Rip to PureRaw3 đ đ
Ai noise reduction crashes a lot for me
Topaz is way better.
Ill check it out! đđ»
the denoise is terrible with blacks, a lot of the times you get neon green if you have a lot of color noise
Interesting! I haven't had that happen yet but I also haven't used it on more than a handful of images. If this is the case, hopefully LR fixes this in an update soon!
Yes but don't call this thing AI, i know it's a trendy word but real AI is simply something else đ
Why do you use the "Lr" logo in your thumbnail, when your content is all "LrC"? Things don't work the same way in the different softwares. When I'm looking for info about Lr, I'm all the time lured into info about LrC that isn't relevant.
Hey Henrik! Sorry for any confusion. The logo in this thumbnail IS the logo for Lrc⊠its just an older one :) But appreciate the feedback and will try to find the one with the c added!
I think in many cases, the AI looks very unnatural. Thatâs just my opinion though. It just feels very âplasticâ
Don't fight the grain, embrace it
đ đ„đ„ Become ONE with the grain.
Too quick and jumping around.Hard to follow.
I hear you! Sorry Colin - Thanks for the feedback!
Makes things look like plastic
Have You ever thouht that this video is also looked nyt people whose nativee language id not english.
You speak much too fast.
Thanks for the feedback Tero! I'll try slowing down a bit next time đ